Scientists Against Science: RCTs Which Give the Wrong Answer on Masks Are “the Worst Way to Answer the Question”

Paradigm shifts in science are rare, but it seems we may have just had one. The RCT (randomised controlled trial), an experimental method used to test if medical procedures and drugs work, has long been considered the gold standard method of establishing the relationship between cause and effect. But it may just have been knocked off its perch and usurped by a new approach to seeking evidence.

Based on the first such study by James Lind in 1774 when he rid the Royal Navy of scurvy, the method in its simplest form involves giving one group of people a treatment and withholding it from another group and seeing if the treatment group fares better than the other (control) group. There is no evidence that Lind randomised the sailors on which he tested lemons as a cure for scurvy; randomisation, to avoid bias in who does and who does not receive treatment, was introduced much later. There are many modern variations on the theme of the RCT but, essentially, they are all designed to achieve the same thing.

As an experimental method for trying to settle whether treatments worked, the clinical trial took a while to catch on with the first RCT being published in 1948. Until that time, what was purported to work was based on power and opinion and, therefore, largely on who said it. Other, weaker designs based on observation and correlation abounded but, eventually, were superseded by the RCT.

Of course, not every RCT produces the same results due to an annoying phenomenon called ‘regression to the mean’ whereby observed effects are often obtained one day and inverse effects are obtained on another day. To account for regression to the mean, it is considered necessary to combine the results of similar studies to be able to pinpoint, at any time, where the true effect lies. Thus, the science of meta-analysis arose which does precisely that and the most rigorous repository of such analyses is considered to be the Cochrane Collaboration.

Well, forget all the above. It seems we have been following the wrong lines of investigation — especially when it comes to the use of face masks to prevent the spread of respiratory infections (e.g. COVID-19) — and that we should simply have asked the experts what they thought all along. In view of what we have witnessed in the past few years, what could possibly go wrong?

I may be doing them a disservice, but that is my interpretation of a recent article in STAT of May 2nd titled: ‘Do masks work? Randomised controlled trials are the worst way to answer the question.’ STAT is a newsletter that purports to be “Reporting from the frontiers of health and medicine” and the authors of the article are Baruch Fischhoff, Howard Heinz University Professor in the Department Engineering and Public Policy and Institute for Politics and Strategy Carnegie Mellon University, Martin Cetron an infectious disease epidemiologist who has worked for the CDC and Katelyn Jetelina, an epidemiology, data scientist, and science communicator who publishes a Substack, Your Local Epidemiologist.

Such is their faith in experts (and I assume they see themselves as such), with respect to RCTs on the use of face masks they “believe that many of these studies should never have been done at all, reserving resources for studies that could improve health outcomes”. The recent pair of Cochrane meta-analyses of studies on the use of face masks concluded that:

Pooled results of RCTs did not show a clear reduction in respiratory viral infection with the use of medical/surgical masks. There were no clear differences between the use of medical/surgical masks compared with N95/P2 respirators in healthcare workers when used in routine care to reduce respiratory viral infection.

Our paradigm-shifting team is not impressed, however: “Both meta-analyses have been widely misinterpreted as showing that face masks don’t work.” I cannot be certain but, had the Cochrane review shown a positive result regarding the use of face masks, my guess is that they would have been proclaiming that from the rooftops.

With apologies for lengthy quotes, they also say that:

What if it is so difficult to conduct scientifically sound randomised trials of mask wearing that even the best studies reveal little? Such studies can confuse people who want to know how effective face masks are, while emboldening people who are already completely convinced that face masks are ineffective — and are looking for grounds to sow doubt about them.

Clearly they see themselves as being above the misinterpretation of data to satisfy their own predilections; being “convinced” can work both ways.

With reference to the much-quoted and much-maligned DANMASK study where the difference observed between mask mandates and no mask mandates was “not statistically significant”, they conclude — presumably as the outcome, inconveniently, did not fit their prejudices – that “The designs of most clinical trials are too weak to answer the question that they pose — namely, whether an intervention succeeded”. Plus: “RCTs have value only when researchers can be sure that the treatment is administered as intended.” Perhaps they meant to say: “RCTs have value only when they show us what we want to see.” Besides, knowing whether an intervention works in practice rather than when done perfectly is valuable information from a public health point of view.

However, they do not leave us with no hope and inform us that: “Today, we have strong evidence regarding the effectiveness of face masks in the form of laboratory studies, theoretical analyses and RCTs that involved health care personnel. It has not come from RCTs of face masks distributed to the general public.” They do not trouble us ignoramuses with any details of this strong evidence, unless their hypertexted link to some words in an earlier sentence are meant to do the job. I guess they did not expect many people to go past the various subsequent links to read the material. It is fascinating stuff. The link eventually enables the explorer to download a ‘Rapid Expert Consultation on the Effectiveness of Fabric Masks for the COVID-19 Pandemic (April 8th 2020)’. This is a document written by experts which relates a series of studies on the likely effectiveness of face masks. No method is applied to the selection of studies which show a 100% publication bias. They have all been ‘cherry-picked’ to show exactly what the authors want them to show: that face masks could work.

Conveniently, the authors of the STAT article fail to refer to Cochrane reviews of precisely the kind of studies they advocate. A 2015 review of studies titled ‘Gloves, gowns and masks for reducing the transmission of meticillin‐resistant Staphylococcus aureus (MRSA) in the hospital setting’ concluded: “The effects of gloves, gowns and masks in these circumstances have yet to be determined by rigorous experimental studies.” In a 2016 review of studies titled ‘Disposable surgical face masks for preventing surgical wound infection in clean surgery’, the authors concluded: “From the limited results it is unclear whether the wearing of surgical face masks by members of the surgical team has any impact on surgical wound infection rates for patients undergoing clean surgery.”

Naturally, readers of the Daily Sceptic have the humility to admit that absence of evidence is not conclusive – though a null result from an RCT is not really absence of evidence but evidence of absence within the bounds of the trial’s limitations. In these circumstances, is it acceptable to impose a costly, polluting and potentially harmful intervention on the public? I think not.

Dr. Roger Watson is Academic Dean of Nursing at Southwest Medical University, China. He has a PhD in biochemistry.

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Mogwai
3 years ago

Well, no disrespect to our Dr Watson but I did find this amusing. Definitely off-topic!

”Pranksters have mown a giant penis into a famous ‘perfect lawn’ on one of Britain’s most exclusive streets – just days before a Coronation party there. Residents of the posh Royal Crescent in Bath were stunned to see the large phallus on the grass outside their homes today.
The large willy appeared overnight in the Somerset spa town but no-one knows why or who is responsible. It appeared just two days before a large Coronation party is planned for the grounds of The Royal Crescent.”

https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/uk-news/vandals-mow-giant-penis-royal-26843122

ellie-em
3 years ago
Reply to  Mogwai

😂

DevonBlueBoy
DevonBlueBoy
3 years ago
Reply to  Mogwai

Just brilliant, 🤣🤣 A perfect metaphor for the vast waste of time and money taking place in London later. Well done to the gardeners responsible 👍

Alan M
Alan M
3 years ago
Reply to  DevonBlueBoy

Oh just go back to your sad little life and leave us to enjoy ourselves.

T. Prince
2 years ago
Reply to  Alan M

Oh dear, Man Child alert!

Big X
Big X
3 years ago

The government knew masks didn’t work from the beginning. It was a political move to “scare the pants of People” (Handcock 2020), and enforce compliance.

Similar mask tactics to ensure compliance with the rules and create an ‘illusion of safety’ were deployed during the Spanish flu and the Great Smog of London.
Although in this case Covid wasn’t in the slightest bit deadly.

T. Prince
2 years ago
Reply to  Big X

What we mustn’t forget is that the advice was wear a ‘face covering’. Where’s the science for all those snotty bits of rag that people wrapped around their faces?

The Dogman
The Dogman
3 years ago

The report states:
One source is field trials in which behavior can be observed and controlled. Such trials have found that requiring high-quality, well-fitted masks in hospitals reduces disease transmission. That evidence gives reason to hope that face masks will benefit ordinary people wearing imperfect, imperfectly fitted masks, under everyday circumstances.”

It has also been demonstrated that high-quality, well-fitted condoms are effective at preventing pregnancy, so this gives hope that putting an old holy sock over your cock will work just as well.

The logic is identical in each case.

RW
RW
3 years ago
Reply to  The Dogman

You’re really being too charitable here. The first statement is already highly suspect. Given that the authors are opposed to proper experiments, which – in this case – means demonstrate the effect of an intervention by comparing the outcome for a treatment/ intervention group with the outcome for a control group, this can only have been so-called observational studies where someone somehow tried to observe disease transmission. As that’s technically impossible because exhaustivley tracing movement of virions isn’t possible, some proximate criterion must have been used. That was almost certainly positive PCR test results. Unless the hospital workers where kept in airtight isolation whenever they didn’t wear their masks, nobody can tell where the viruses whose RNA fragments where identified in their bodies came from, ie, if transmission happened while masked and in hospital. Then, on its own, a PCR test result is meaningless. There’s no reason why one would want to reduce PCR positivity rate. Lastly, what does reduces transmission precisely mean – minus the obvious Doesn’t prevent transmission. What level of transmission was observed, what level of transmission had been expected without masks (And why? Modelling?) and why is the difference significant. And then, we get to the… Read more »

The Dogman
The Dogman
3 years ago
Reply to  RW

You are completely correct. I was just highlighting the absurdity of thinking that if an intervention could work in the best possible case, then it should also work in the worst. Watching people fish old dirty paper facemasks out of their back pocket and putting them on sitting under their noses, or over full beards, was absolutely farcical.

RW
RW
2 years ago
Reply to  The Dogman

On of the points I was trying to make that this is not really best possible case vs worst possible case but two different situations altogether. They’re only linked by the authors conviction that forcing others to cover most of their faces with something must simply have a positive effect.

The other was the gives reason to hope. Hope belongs into the domain of religion (or superstition). The bare-bones version of that is I want you to do X despite I don’t know what effect X will have. And that’s not a good reason to do X.

Jon Garvey
3 years ago

Good article, but it’s worth pointing out that the common story about James Lind is yet another of those scientistic myths designed to laud the objectivity of Scientists (as opposed to benighted traditionalist laymen). In fact, Lind’s treatise on scurvy, written long after his single-patient test of citrus fruits (amidst several other unsuccessful treatments), although it referred at length to those (mainly seamen, not doctors) who believed that fresh fruit and vegetables cured it, downplayed their opinions, as well as his own successful experiment, in favour of his own holistic explanation based on the conventional theory of humours. It was a naval officer, not a scientist, who later introduced citrus fruits to the navy, but warfare made access to oranges impossible, so limes (with less ascorbic acid) were used instead, and were boiled to produce the juice, which destroyed most of the Vitamin C. And so scurvy remained an issue even for limeys. By 1911, germ-theory had replaced humours as the sole medical orthodoxy, which is why Captain Scott took such care with tinned meat on his Antarctic expedition. The expedition doctor passed the time giving lectures on the germ theory of scurvy… but sadly the crew still got it… Read more »

JXB
JXB
3 years ago

‘Until that time, what was purported to work was based on power and opinion and, therefore, largely on who said it.’

And a mere 70 years later, here we are again. The Consensus™️ with The Science™️ ‘on their side’.

JXB
JXB
3 years ago

Absence of evidence is not conclusive … it is in the scientific process. Empirical, falsifiable evidence must be provided or it’s just a meaningless claim. If evidence cannot be found, then there is a fundamental flaw in the hypothesis.

And… surgical masks are not designed to stop viral transmission. They are intended to capture exhaled water droplets which may contain bacteria, and which might fall into open wounds during surgery.

Trials cannot even produce conclusive evidence they are effective at this.

Respiratory virus transmission, unlike water droplet bacterial infection, is not person to person, but airborne in enclosed spaces where virus aerosols have accumulated. Even if, as some insist, masks stop ‘some’ virus, over time this ‘some’ from numerous people will accumulate, and with time the ‘some’ that will get past the mask worn by an individual will infect with a sufficient viral load to cause symptoms.

stewart
3 years ago

People who are attached ro the wearing of face masks and insist on their use are mentally deranged.

That’s my base assumption regarding anyone promoting masks.

JayBee
3 years ago

The question is, how can such t*ssers become and be professors at any uni, let alone Carnegie Mellon et.?
Something went SERIOUSLY WRONG at universities over the last decades.

sskinner
3 years ago

It should be blatantly obvious if masks actually worked considering we were supposedly dealing with a very deadly virus. Those that didn’t wear them should all be dead or seriously debilitated. I’m sure that James Lind study did not take several years and would have shown clear results in favour of giving sailors lemons. Also, we have had more than 200 years of accumulated medical (and other) knowledge, so running tests on the effectiveness of masks was not from a standing start in terms of knowledge.
“If your experiment needs statistics, you ought to have done a better experiment”
Ernest Rutherford

“Consistency never has been a mark of stupidity if the diplomats who have mishandled our relations were merely stupid they would occasionally make a mistake in our favor. The fact that not one single mistake has fallen in our favor I would suggest that’s not incompetence that’s people working to a script.”
James Forrestal 

sskinner
3 years ago

Stephen Petty is an expert in a number of areas that will include masks. He is a: Certified Industrial Hygienist (CIH), Certified Safety Professional (CSP) and Professional Engineer (PE).
In the following video he gives evidence against masks to a US Senate Hearing. He also pointed out this knowledge has been around for 80 years.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J3dnkbKoj4A&t=535s
Stephen Petty – On the effectiveness of masks

MTF
MTF
3 years ago

Dr Watson has failed to understand a rather astute and deep article. RCTs are great for some things but it is almost impossible to design a good RCT for mask wearing (or a range of other non-pharmaceutical interventions). You can’t control the “dose”; you can’t blind participants – there is no possibility of a placebo; and it is very hard to measure the outcome. The article sensibly and calmly discusses alternatives with no obvious political axe to grind. They do not propose we should simply ask the experts – Dr Watson appears to have made that up.

transmissionofflame
3 years ago
Reply to  MTF

I still don’t care if masks “work” (whatever that means).

I’m not going to wear one because of a low consequence virus of the type we’ve lived with since time immemorial. I don’t know what would make me wear one but I don’t think I will see anything sufficient in my lifetime. The next Black Death maybe. Not something I’m worried about.

As stewart put it earlier, the maskers are mentally deranged. Take it from me – I’m a recovering hypochondriac who nearly drove himself to death through worry. I came back from the brink and decided to get on with living instead.

Maskers better leave me the hell alone.

Nearhorburian
Nearhorburian
3 years ago
Reply to  MTF

There was never a serious threat to health and none of the policies put in place were about protecting the people.

That you don’t grasp that doesn’t say anything good about your intelligence.

RW
RW
3 years ago
Reply to  MTF

I completely agree that demonstrating that mouth muzzling and nose blocking using technology X has any effects on virus transmission is beyond our means. However, that’s the end of the story. This doesn’t mean that muzzling & blocking advocates get to make up something else instead they can substitute for a proper proof.,

godknowsimgood
godknowsimgood
3 years ago
Reply to  MTF

They do not propose we should simply ask the experts – Dr Watson appears to have made that up”: Dr Watson – not making anything up, but using satire to ridicule – is pointing out that that’s the implication of this paradigm-shifting team’s article.

‘However, they do not leave us with no hope and inform us that: “Today, we have strong evidence regarding the effectiveness of face masks in the form of laboratory studies, theoretical analyses and RCTs that involved health care personnel. It has not come from RCTs of face masks distributed to the general public.” They do not trouble us ignoramuses with any details of this strong evidence’

MTF
MTF
3 years ago
Reply to  godknowsimgood

It is not an implication of the quoted paragraph that we should simply ask the experts. They are referring to sources of evidence other than RCTs. They probably should have provided references to that evidence. But that is not the same thing as saying we can only ask the experts.

Felice
Felice
3 years ago
Reply to  MTF

It may well be impossible to design a good RCT for mask wearing, but that does not mean that all RCT studies should be ignored. Instead their results should be used, bearing in mind the limitations of the method. Same as should be done with the other methods that they advocate – laboratory studies, and theoretical analyses, which also have limitations on the use of their results. After all, we have had ample evidence that modelling results need to be interpreted with care and do not give yes/no answers.

MTF
MTF
3 years ago
Reply to  Felice

Agreed. I think their point is that because RCTs are the gold standard in some contexts they are assumed to be definitive even when they actually tell us almost nothing. So they become misleading. There is no problem in saying – “by the way there are all these RCTs but they tell us almost nothing”.

For a fist full of roubles

I am part of a control group that has not worn a mask (except when to do so would have prevented me having medical treatment). I am in the group described as mask sceptics. I have never had Covid.
I have observed that my mask wearing and fully vaxxed friends have all had Covid at least once.

MTF
MTF
3 years ago

I just noticed:

Of course, not every RCT produces the same results due to an annoying phenomenon called ‘regression to the mean’ whereby observed effects are often obtained one day and inverse effects are obtained on another day. To account for regression to the mean, it is considered necessary to combine the results of similar studies to be able to pinpoint, at any time, where the true effect lies. Thus, the science of meta-analysis arose which does precisely that and the most rigorous repository of such analyses is considered to be the Cochrane Collaboration.

Dr Watson seems to be confusing random variation which arises because an RCT is a sample with regression to the mean which is an illusion of a trend when the initial sample is extreme. Standard metanalysis methods help address the first (by effectively increasing the sample size). They do not address regression to the mean.