Time to End Vegan “Zealotry” as Meat is Crucial for Human Health, Warn Scientists
Meat is crucial for human health, scientists have warned, as they called for an end to the “zealotry” pushing vegetarian and vegan diets. The Telegraph has the story.
Dozens of experts were asked to look into the science behind claims that meat eating causes disease and is harmful for the planet in a special issue of Animal Frontiers.
They warned that it is difficult to replace the nutritional content of meat, arguing that poorer communities with low meat intake often suffer from stunting, wasting and anaemia driven by a lack of vital nutrients and protein.
In recent years, there has been a widespread societal push towards plant-based diets, with schemes such as Veganuary and meat-free Mondays encouraging the public away from meat.
The major Global Burden of Diseases, Injuries and Risk Factor Study, published in the Lancet in 2020, also suggested that a diet high in red meat was responsible for 896,000 deaths worldwide, and was the fifth leading dietary risk factor.
But researchers argue that unprocessed meat delivers most of the vitamin B12 intake in human diets, plays a major role in supplying retinol, omega-3 fatty acids and minerals such as iron and zinc, as well as important compounds for metabolism, such as taurine and creatine.
In one paper published in the issue, experts found no good evidence to support red meat being dangerous below intakes of 75g per day, and argued that the link between red meat and disease vanished when part of a healthy diet, suggesting it was the rest of the diet that was fuelling health problems.
Dr. Alice Stanton, of the Royal College of Surgeons in Ireland, one of the authors of the review, said: “The peer-reviewed evidence published reaffirms that [the 2019 Global Burden of Disease Risk Factors Report] which claimed that consumption of even tiny amounts of red meat harms health is fatally scientifically flawed.
“In fact, removing fresh meat and dairy from diets would harm human health. Women, children, the elderly and low income would be particularly negatively impacted.”
The NHS also advises that red meat – such as beef, lamb and pork – is a good source of protein, vitamins and minerals and can form part of a balanced diet, although it warns that eating more than 90g per day can raise the risk of bowel cancer.
The new edition includes a declaration signed by nearly 1,000 scientists across the globe arguing that livestock farming was too important to society to “become the victim of zealotry”.
The Dublin Declaration includes signatories from the universities of Cambridge, Edinburgh, Bristol, Belfast, Newcastle, Nottingham, Surrey as well as several scientists from Britain’s world-leading agricultural and farming university Harper Adams.
“Livestock-derived foods provide a variety of essential nutrients and other health-promoting compounds, many of which are lacking in diets even among those populations with higher incomes,” the declaration states.
“Well-resourced individuals may be able to achieve adequate diets while heavily restricting meat, dairy and eggs. However, this approach should not be recommended for general populations.”
The researchers warned that those who need to eat animal products included young children, adolescents, pregnant and lactating women, women of reproductive age, older adults and the chronically ill.
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Superb dose of common sense. Anyone who denies meat, and animal protein generally, is not essential for optimal health, and that we can forever live perfectly well on substitutes, is denying reality.
Bang on!
Look at this cock and bull report loaded with disinformation in the news here recently. Note who the study was done on behalf of.
”Research by Wageningen University on behalf of the group and the vegetarian society Vegetariërsbond suggests the over-consumption of meat leads to €1.1 billion in extra healthcare costs a year. Some 253,000 people develop diabetes, 100,000 develop colon cancer and 20,000 heart and artery disease because they eat too much meat, the research suggests. ‘These care costs are carried by us all via higher premiums,’ Tapp director Jeroom Remmers told the AD.”
How we ever moved out of caves, endured Ice Ages, and didn’t succumb to diabetes and heart disease before dying off as a species is anyone’s guess…lol
https://www.dutchnews.nl/news/2023/04/meat-tax-would-boost-health-and-cut-heathcare-spending-research/
Good grief! It beggars belief! Half the world is starving and the other half is on a diet!
“the research suggests…”
Three words which automatically provide an article summary:
Complete bullshyte.
Collecting collaterations supposed to support pre-existing political programmes is not research. Especially not when it’s also directly funded by organizations desiring a certain outcome (like the vegetarian society Vegetariërsbond).
Next we’ll be forcing lions to be vegan! God, the obserdity of it all!
If an alien race ever visits earth they’ll take one look at what we’ve become and fly the f#@k away again!
You shouldn’t argue with Vincent Vega.: “Yea, but bacon tastes good. Pork chops taste good.”
Not sure whether sewer rat tastes like pumpkin pie though!
No they don’t, they are very earthy!
(I had a very interesting childhood!🤣)
Can I just mention that living is the primary cause of dying.
I just don’t get why group after group seem to think that impoverishing life’s experiences is an excuse for getting us to stay a little longer on the planet. Bring on the Beef..!
You’ve said it in a nutshell. Safetyism and the delusion we can make ourselves live forever are making life more and more miserable.
BINGO
True, life is 100% fatal!
And sexually transmitted.
🤣🤣
Indeed.
Life is a sexually-transmitted disease!
EDIT (read down comments before commenting, MAk)
So true.
They want us to live longer so they can torment us and make us miserable longer.
Millions of years of evolution have deemed the present form of the human animal an omnivore with an alimentary canal to suit. As a species we are relatively weak as an individual and as such have learned that groups have a greater propensity for survival. This survival in turn caused rivalries and conflicts, isn’t it a great pity that such rivalries become so petty that they are reduced to what someone eats. Jonathan Swift comes to mind, and the diminutive mortals of Lilliput.
I was poorly last week so I watched rather more TV than usual, including a Netflix series called The Chimpanzee Tribe of the Ngogo (or something like that).
It made the point that these chimps share over 98% DNA with humans and are our closest evolutionary relatives. Their diet is largely fruit, but they hunt regularly and meat makes up a vital part of their nutrition. Watching the hunt destroys any illusion that chimps are “cute.” They are methodical organised killers.
Humans are no different. Our diets should be based largely on plant-based foods (primarily vegetables and fruit), plus proteins (meat, fish, eggs and nuts).
It’s carbohydrates and heavily processed foods – ie the highly processed alternatives vegan alternatives to meat – which are detrimental to health.
I dread to think about the levels of osteoporosis which many of the young women eating a vegan diet will experience in decades to come.
Or what it is doing /will do to their brains & nerves…
Another “no shit, Sherlock” moment!
This is absolute rubbish. I have lived perfectly healthily, with no deficiencies whatsoever and have noticed no change in my state of health, since five years ago when I dropped meat consumption overnight and haven’t looked back.
While it is the case that the nutrients found in various forms of meat are essential for optimal health, every one of those vitamins and minerals, like omega 3, iron, zinc, etc. are easily obtainable from sources other than meat – and I’m not just talking about plant-based: I still eat dairy, but refuse to eat anything that involves slaughter. Eggs are a good source of omega 3, all sorts of other essential nutrients that can be found in meat can also be found in nuts, fruit and veg (especially legumes).
I now find that if I ever do eat meat (because it is left-over) I suffer bowel irritation and stomach pains. Our evolutionary ancestors are natural herbivores, and given the diverse food choice we have with modern agriculture, it is absolutely possible (in fact easy) to live in a state of optimal health in the absence of meat.
Presence of your canine teeth means nothing to you, I presume?
But basically, you do you. The article is about vegan zealotry. I just love a good steak, every two weeks or so, mmm!
Well, ok, it’s about zealotry, but it also appears to be pushing the idea that without meat you suffer dire health deficiencies. That’s only the case if you don’t replace the nutrients lost with plant-based or dairy-based equivalents. I’m not suggesting the eradication of domestic livestock farming – they have so many uses other than meat. For example, grazing is an excellent method of maintaining open pasture land and wildflower meadows, and an excellent source of manure for agriculture. But there is absolutely no need to have meat in our diets.
We have canine teeth, yes. But this does not mean we used to be dogs – all primate species have canine teeth, including chimps, our genetically closest cousin, who live on a plant based diet.
CaseyJones says it well.
And just look at chimps!
And remember that video of elephants raiding nests and eating little chicks! 😮
Chimps hunt and eat meat. Watch the Netflix series The Chimp Tribe of the Ngogo and learn.
Yes I’ve known that for ages through watching other wildlife programmes. I can’t even remember what it was they were hunting now…was it other small primates?
Yes, they hunt monkeys. But the series also filmed them taking out a small deer.
Pity they passed on Attenborough! However, not much meat on him.
You could do with reading the comment from RTSC just before yours. He points out that chimpanzees are for from vegetarian, which rather blows your argument apart.
“There is absolutely no need for meat in OUR diets”…
Some people, some of the time, perhaps at different ages or stages of their lives, may be more healthy &/or more happy when they eat some meat or fish.
We are not all the same, homogeneous.
What is optimal for one body in one climate & at a certain time in their life, may not be suitable for another.
Let us allow each other to be as different as we are, & quit proscribing for other people.
Man. (Purportedly a sentient) omnivore, with alimentary canal to suit, case closed, it is a fact of life, as you have quite rightly pointed out. But like a few other ideas of todays world, veganism and vegetarianism is a virtue signalling fashion accessory unobtainable without interventions, supplements or subsidies.
Vegetarianism might require a few supplements here and there, but how does it require interventions and subsidies?
It sounds like you have a rich and varied diet and include dairy and eggs. The article pointed out that poorer people, with less access to such a varied diet, would need meat to provide nutrients. Stricter vegetarians/vegans who not include dairy and eggs may needlessly be harming their health. I have diagnosed alpha-gal tick allergy and can’t eat red meat. I feel healthy, but I can afford a rich and varied diet (have you priced nuts recently?), take supplements such as B12, and do eat eggs and dairy and limited chicken.
I agree, a strict VEGAN diet is difficult to maintain, and expensive depending on where you live. I have relatives in my family who are vegan, who are working class and often struggling financially, but they still vehemently keep up their vegan lifestyle. This is largely because they live within walking distance of very affordable food stores where you can cheaply obtain all the ingredients for proper vegan recipes… Obviously not the case for everyone (even most of us), but in my experience, since I became vegetarian (not vegan) I’ve actually saved money.
I have no problem with you being a vegetarian, but your choice should not affect my choice and visa versa. The article is a counter to the doomist nannying that we are bombarded with from all angles, endless propositions that eating meat brings death, and we must all stop immediately, or at least by 2050. I say balls to that. I will happily tolerate your choice if you will tolerate mine.
I take this to mean.
“”I have too much invested in my virtue signalling crackpot lifestyle to back down.”
People self-reporting their lifestyles is so very unreliable.
I still eat dairy, but refuse to eat anything that involves slaughter. Eggs are a good source of omega 3
Hmm … everytime you eat an egg with traces of blood in it – and these are not uncommon – you’ve slaughtered an unborn chicken. Plants also don’t exactly enjoy being torn to pieces and then digested, they’re just incapable of reacting to it in a way humans could easily notice. There’s really no way around this: All living animals sustain themselves by eating other things which are also alive (plants) or were also alive not that long ago (minus certain scavengers). In order to remain alive, you must kill (directly or indirectly).
I can’t watch wildlife programmes any more as I find them too traumatizing. It’s not like the predators always perform a nice, clean and humane kill. Nature is cruel but this slaughtering is obviously going on all of the time, it’s just that 99.999% of the time there’s not a camera crew there waiting to film it and bring it to our living rooms. I still eat meat.
I’ve become such a wet blanket that it also saddens me if I feel a tell-tale crunch underfoot when I take the bin out. 🙁 I don’t eat snails though. Rank.
I was a little sad when I heard that sound for the first time after I stepped out into my then new (rented) garden to have a cigarette. But I’ve long since grown used to it: Compared to a snail, I’m an animated mountain. I don’t see very well in the dark, hence, snails creeping over the garden path in the night sometimes end up being crushed by said animated mountain stepping on them. That’s just stuff which happens I cannot really prevent.
Yes, alas, 🐌 deaths cannot really be prevented, but I guess they’re a long way from being classed as an ‘endangered species’. Their numbers definitely aren’t dwindling, as is evidenced whenever it rains and there’s always a snail street party in my garden. The worst is when you tread on slugs in your bare feet ( trying to get the cat in in the middle of the night ), which for sure does not have the same comedy value as a banana skin ( and is a lot less vegan-friendly 🤫 ).
Snails are delicious with garlic butter.
My pescatarian son ate snails on a recent visit to Paris, but he is confused about the classification of frogs legs
Its okay. They are the bit in the water….
😀😀😀
They sell them here in the NL stuffed with garlic butter but the thought of such a ‘Bushtucker Challenge’ makes me want to spew. Mind you, I did love to eat salted winkles with a pin when I was a kid, so I guess there was similarities there. My tastes have evolved a tad over the decades though..
I would say that if you intentionally perform a vegetarian diet (not vegan) in the ‘informed’ modern world, you will probably be fine. As long as you’re no-where near the poverty line. Unfortunately, anyone struggling will have issues with not eating decent protein sources.
I once was vegetarian for 9 years (& vegan for 9 months of that).
I paid great attention, as you do, to nutrition & balance.
I found, on balance, it wasn’t the best for me, & I regained optimal health after I re-started eating fish again, & then later, organic meat very occasionally.
I feel my choices deserve to be respected.
Amen.
I wonder if alpha-gal meat allergy, a tick-borne disease, was lab-manufactured as part of this push away from meat-eating. In the US, it’s caused by a bite from the lone-star tick, but in Australia it’s caused by a different tick. Oddly, the disease has a delayed reaction, unlike all other food allergies, and the allergen is a carbohydrate rather than a protein. People with alpha-gal need to eliminate red meat from their diet, and some can’t even eat dairy or gelatin. Reactions range from upset stomach to anaphylaxis.
As someone who suffered from severe stomach problems for years, I found two major changes sorted me out.
First, I went gluten free. I always thought gluten free was some sort of Gwyneth Paltrow BS, but removing wheat from my diet was life-changing.
Related to this article more directly – ditching refined oils was the other change. I now use lard, dripping, goose fat and duck fat. With goose fat, roast potatoes are less greasy and I never get heartburn.
Our bodies are designed to process animal fat: they aren’t designed to process seed oils. Meat and animal fat are good for you. I lost over a stone of weight with these two relatively minor changes. I was always bloated and feeling ill before. I like the smell of a little lard in the pan before cooking up some chicken breast or frying a couple of eggs (another food that has become difficult to find of late.) Can anyone smell rapeseed oil heating and think ‘Hmm… that smells healthy!’?
Our bodies aren’t “designed”, evolution is not “design”.
Your digestive issues appear to be some sort of evolutionary anomaly.
Someone got out of the wrong side of Richard Dawkins’s bed this morning! 😀 😀
Gluten intolerance is a symptom of coeliac disease – about 1% of the population have this. You should see a doctor.
Gluten intolerance is a symptom of coeliac disease, but you can be gluten intolerant without being coelic. Coeliac is a full-blown autoimmune disease where your body reacts badly to as much as a crumb of bread. Plain old gluten intolerance just means your body doesn’t like gluten. I haven’t tested positive for coeliac, but I have had a lot of issues sorted by stopping gluten. Apart from stomach upsets and generally feeling ill, I was showing signs of osteoarthritis: one of my hands was turning into a claw and it was agony to use a keyboard and mouse. When I went full-scale gluten free, without even the occasional digression, my hand healed up in days after months of pain. And no more being locked in the bathroom for my entire lunch hour!!
I had suffered a consistently very low iron count for years (at one point my doctor said “so low it is off the scale”,) was losing weight but bloated….my doctor suggested giving up gluten completely & my iron level shot up, the first time for years, & number of other things resolved.
yet was not diagnosed coeliac.
Not to be a bore on alpha-gal syndrome, research now shows it can cause GI distress without skin or respiratory issues. The syndrome has also been diagnosed in Western Europe. I’m leaning toward diabolical scientists creating alpha-gal, considering Pfizer hasn’t come up with a vaccine yet to mitigate this red-meat allergy….This short video by a doctor explains alpha-gal. https://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/990328
I also avoid wheat but not consuming seed oils is hard. Even many seemingly minimally processed foods have seed oils in their ingredient lists. Pretty much you have to make meals from scratch and don’t go out to restaurants.
I cook from scratch every day and we bake our own bread.
Agreed. It’s very difficult to avoid them altogether. but I use a lot less now than I did. I try to use whole foods as much as I can.
You’ve summed it up perfectly which is why I don’t avoid seed oils entirely because sometimes it’s nice to go out and not worry too much. Seed oils rife in processed food presunably because they’re cheap.
Wholly agree on the fats Dom. I’ve gone over to animal fats for the vast majority of the cooking.
Rapeseed oil is used as a standby eg cooking poppadoms in the microwave.
I agree with you re fats and first read about it thirty years ago. I’ve always avoided trans fats where I can and if you avoid processed food (not that I do entirely) you can avoid a lot of those fats that just clog up the body. Well said.
No need for a scientist to tell us – our existence at the top of the food chain makes it clear enough.
Flora – the cure for cholesterol and heart attacks, is up to its tricks.
Flora is now labelled “Plant B*tter” and… “Kick the cow”. Clever or what?
So… if Flora previously wasn’t made from plants, where did the vegetable oil come from in it?
And does missing them”u” out exempt it from being misleading about its nature?
“Plant Butter.” FFS.
Ain’t no replacement for butter.
When my Mum developed a heart condition recently (it happened after her third Pfizer shot!) the literature she was given to read specifically told her to avoid margarine and that butter was all right.
I’ve been a vegetarian for all my adult life, and I agree with David101 that you can be healthy on a vegetarian diet, perhaps even healthier than average, but I also generally agree with this ‘Time to End Vegan “Zealotry” as Meat is Crucial for Human Health’ article because of this point: “Well-resourced individuals may be able to achieve adequate diets while heavily restricting meat, dairy and eggs. However, this approach should not be recommended for general populations.” Individuals can be healthy on a vegetarian diet, and many clearly are, but it requires a bit of effort, knowledge, motivation, and perhaps more time, at least initially, but if a vegetarian or vegan diet is forced on people generally, many don’t have the necessary effort, knowledge, motivation and/or time, and I can see how a vegetarian diet could be bad for these people, and a vegan diet even worse. I don’t get enough Vitamin B12 from my food, but it’s simple to take a B12 tablet every day, so it’s not a problem, if you know what to do. But it worries me that many young people who seem to become vegan because it’s fashionable don’t seem to be aware that… Read more »
The point is that civilisations have been vegetarian and survived very well where as I think veganism is a bit new so I guess the answer is that we don’t really know how it plays out over generations.
I hate this sort of shit, because it’s easy to prove and disprove on a personal level. Especially when it comes to the “increase in diabetes” nonsense. Insulin spikes = diabetes. No insulin spikes = no diabetes. Know what spikes insulin? Glucose…Know what doesn’t induce spikes in glucose (and therefore insulin)? Meat… So for them to even insinuate that red meat gives diabetes is wild…
If you decide to be a carnivore for a week, you will (I guarantee you) feel far better than if you ate oats for breakfast and carrots for dinner.
However, the current state of Settled Science will have you believe that you need carbs with every meal that that your cocopops in the morning is the most inportant meal of the day….let’s just disregard hundreds of thousands of years of evolution then!
I don’t have a problem eating vegetarian food. Some nice asparagus, purple sproutig broccoli, even some crisp Brussels, some Jersey Royals, all go well with my beautiful rare Sirloin or a well cooked pork chop.
Yum yum.
I don’t care a fiddler’s fart what others choose to eat or not eat. I eat and greatly enjoy pretty much anything except dodgy cheap burgers, sausage, processed food and also severely restrict sweet stuff.
I don’t take kindly to being advised what I should or shouldn’t eat by some gormless zealot gobshite who would struggle to get out of a wet paper bag.
I have tried time and time again to get my cat to eat a salad to no avail. I even put a nice French Dressing on it. Maybe she knows something I don’t know. Or could it just be that the cat has no intention of being a vegetarian? And neither does her owner.
Most all life on earth animals, germs, bacteria live by consuming or using other animals. Even plants are living organisms that get consumed. What a terrible uncivilized system. Who in their right mind would design such a system? Then to top things off put us all on a fireball planet with a very thin crust, then set it spinning at 25,000 miles per hour and hurtling through space. Then sit back and watch who rises to top and survives the longest. Evil bastards! Little did they realize by giving humans some extra brain power they would actually end up destroying themselves in relatively short order.