At the World’s Premier Infection Conference, Where Was the Debate About Vaccines, Masks and Lockdowns?
I spent last week at the European Congress of Clinical Microbiology and Infectious Diseases (ECCMID) in Copenhagen. ECCMID is the main international conference on infection. American meetings that were once pre-eminent have fragmented, becoming parochial; Asian rivals have failed to gain traction. Copenhagen was ECCMID’s comeback: 2020 was cancelled; 2021 was online and 2022 was a ghost. This time was ahead of 2019: 15,000 attendees; lecture halls overflowing and the biggest trade show I’ve seen in 40 years of international meetings.
I went with curiosity. Denmark ended all Covid restrictions a year ago, but the conference blurb promised anti-Covid measures. Delegates – mostly laboratory scientists and infection specialists – would be “offered” N95 masks. As luck would have it, I went with an incipient RTI (respiratory tract infection, i.e., a cold). This progressed inexorably into a hacking cough and a blocked nose.
Much was encouraging. Only 1 or 2% of my fellow infection specialists wore masks, and I saw only one in a contraption combining goggles, shield and mask. No one appeared perturbed by my symptoms, nor suggested I leave, wear a mask or do a test. A noted physician amiably diagnosed, “It’ll be Covid”, but sat beside me nonetheless. It was quite like the old days. Of course, it’s possible that only the blasé attended in person whilst the fearful attended online. It’s also possible that some folks avoided me so effectively that I was unaware of being shunned. But, even if both caveats are true, it’s beyond dispute that most professionals are now relaxed about Covid.
All that’s positive, for any reasonable person has to accept that the virus isn’t going anywhere. Virology textbooks must be rewritten to say that we have five ‘common cold’ coronaviruses not four, with SARS-CoV-2 the commonest.
Other developments left me less sanguine.
I’ve mentioned that huge trade show, at least double the area of the last pre-pandemic ECCMID in 2019. Many unfamiliar companies had PCR machines to sell. Friends from established companies told me that molecular diagnostics had ‘come of age’. Manufacturers have grown rich, I think.
Whether all this testing does any good is quite another matter. A sponsored-session speaker proudly described how she’d run a mobile virus testing service for New York Schools. I asked what it had achieved, given that New York had endured 18 months of school closures. Sweden, sans testing, had kept schools open throughout, without catastrophe, I pointed out. “What’s more, it now has the lowest excess mortality in Europe,” I added.
“I’m not the Governor of New York,” she responded defensively. “He’s the one who shut the schools.” This was followed by the point that her service could also detect influenza, identifying children who ‘should’ be given Tamiflu. Given the questionable risk-benefit profile of Tamiflu in healthy children, I found this underwhelming.
Back to the trade show. It was surprising to see AstraZeneca still promoting its adenovirus vector vaccine, which has been abandoned everywhere in Europe. Merck’s ‘Antiviral Corner’ was another curiosity, not mentioning molnupiravir (which has slumping sales) – let alone ivermectin (no surprise) – and stressing monoclonals. These have fared poorly against mutants, mostly being withdrawn or restricted.
Pfizer and Moderna’s trade stands were large and, as expected, promoted their vaccines (Moderna has nothing else to promote). Both also had sponsored sessions that were too packed to enter. I did squeeze into another session where Moderna’s folks presented developmental non-Covid vaccines, also based on mRNA technology, and asked what was being done to monitor for myocarditis. I added, conversationally, to explain my question, that is it was unclear to me whether the hazard with the Covid mRNA vaccines related to the spike protein (as I actually suspect) or to the lipid carrier nanoparticles.
This pulled one of Moderna’s senior staff to the podium, telling me that “We have a cardiology panel to review all adverse events”. Interestingly, there was no effort to assert that myocarditis wasn’t a concern. No one followed up on my question, nor on others I asked in the same vein. No one challenged – nor concurred – when, asking about an adenovirus vector anti-Ebola product, I suggested that the corresponding Covid products were “mediocre and briefly effective, at best.” (I should add that the anti-Ebola prototype gave a robust immunoglobulin response and is directed against a high-lethality bloodborne virus; it might have merit.)
Aside from my own questions I didn’t hear myocarditis mentioned at all. Rather, a lady from the WHO asserted that Covid vaccines had saved 1,004,927 lives in Europe. Lordy, such precision! As question time was truncated, I just shouted “Confidence intervals?” “They’ll be in the paper,” she responded. Which sounded like “Very wide”.
And now let me spell out what did deeply trouble me. That, after three years dominated by the pandemic, ECCMID – the world’s premier infection meeting worldwide – lacked sessions for professionals to debate four central questions:
- First: where did the virus come from? And what are the implication for laboratory work that seeks, or may lead to, ‘gain of function’.
- Second: did NPIs work? I believe that the answer is, “Not very much; they just selected for more transmissible variants”, but others, including friends from Singapore, have a different view. There was no session on masks, and precious few posters or free papers, despite Cochrane and despite their centrality to the response.
- Third: vaccination. Even if you believe vaccines did some good in the old and vulnerable – as I and most professionals do – their coercive deployment in low-risk populations, especially children, looks ever more dubious. They fail to prevent viral circulation and occasionally harm or kill people too young to be at any real risk from Covid. And, believing vaccines did initial good doesn’t mean that they should be given time and again. Repeated boosting is supported by scant data and is challenged by Cleveland Clinic findings indicating that infection becomes more likely in those who’d had multiple boosters. I asked a UKHSA speaker (and erstwhile colleague) on this last point after she’d presented on the SIREN study, also following Covid infections in healthcare workers over time. She claimed ignorance of the Cleveland data and hasn’t acknowledged a copy that I forwarded.
- Fourth: what is the responsibility of infectious disease professionals when advising governments, if their advice has massive consequences for civil society? Should these professionals simultaneously advise government and run media campaigns advocating particular courses of action?
Everyone I spoke with has a view on these topics. Many, like me, think that much evil was done, though they’re less willing to say it openly. Others support the pandemic response.
ECCMID has hosted many debates in the past – I’ve argued that we should choose antibiotic treatments by identifying the pathogen’s mechanisms of resistance whilst my opponent argued we should just measure what antibiotic concentration stops it from growing. And ECCMID isn’t averse to ethical controversies. There was an excellent session on the ethics of futile antibiotic use – meaning when the patient is dying of an underlying disease. At best one delays the Grim Reaper by a few low-quality weeks, condemning the patient to a slower and more painful death. At worst one does that and drives antibiotic resistance, hazarding future patients.
If we professionals can debate these topic, surely we can and must also dissect anti-viral responses – many likely also futile – that turned the world upside down and whose collateral harm will be with us for years to come. The WHO’s threatened Pandemic Treaty – which hazards the supra-national embedment of bad responses – makes this debate even more vital.
Oh, and that cough? The test I finally ran in Norwich came up negative. So, if you caught Covid in Copenhagen last week, it wasn’t me.
Dr. David Livermore is a retired Professor of Medical Microbiology at the University of East Anglia.
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Very interesting; thanks.
At the risk of sounding like a broken record, surely the first topic for debate should have been “why did our profession pretend there was a pandemic, when there clearly wasn’t?”.
Well, not by the previous definition of pandemic anyway! Just like the words “vaccine” and “vaccinated”, “pandemic” was re-defined so that what just happened could be called one. Perhaps there are these “pandemics” happening all the time… Would we really have known there was one, had we not been hollered at by the mainstream media? Or would we just have noticed people dying and the health services being overrun, as they do, and are routinely every year?
To deny that this was a real “pandemic” in no way makes me cold, callous or indifferent to tragic death, as my deepest sympathies extend to all those who have died and their families – as it does also to those who suffer every single year because of unnecessarily long waiting lists of the NHS, and all of the systemic failures that have absolutely nothing to do with a virus!
Indeed
While it seems obvious that the NHS can and should be made to deliver better value, I think we should be careful to accept that demand for healthcare will always exceed supply however efficient it becomes. Unless and until people accept that, the whole thing will be a shitshow because it is treated like a religion
You could be right. “How dare you question the ways of the almighty NHS!”, bleat the disciples, clapping their hooves together on street corners. A worshipped idol seemingly has no need for improvement. To be fair on the NHS, though, treatment can be second-to-none in the way of quality… once you’ve actually got round to accessing it!
Demand will usually exceed supply when the product or service is free at the point of use. Economics 101. Also, people ascribe little value to something that is free.
I had my regular T1 diabetes review with my Endocrinology Professor last week. The condition comes with serious sequelae, such as amputation and death, if not properly controlled. The 3 patients due in before me didn’t bother to turn up. QED
Totally agree. That’s why this common belief that the NHS can somehow be made to meet all needs perfectly and instantly, given enough money, is so dangerous.
Aren’t trade fairs big sales events, for companies to sell their stuff? I don’t think they’re designed for debates and establishing the truth about things any more than a TV ad is.
The exhibitors pay large fees to attend, subsidising the costs for conference attendees
Sounds like there’s a gap in the market for a conference that addresses the points raised. Daily Sceptic Conferences Division take note.
From up here in the Antipodes, and in a completely different field of medicine, I concur, that any questioning by the profession of any Covid policy remains verboten.
And despite the well acknowledged fact (at least on DS), that the profession has essentially become a pale imitation of its previous self, I agree that 3 years ago, a conference would be a hotbed of vigorous debate on a plethora of subjects. Any dissent from the narrative is now met by shock or complete denial.
As if a collective lobotomy has been performed!
Surely somebody in a room full of infectious disease experts would have been able to calculate the Diamond Princess infection and mortality rates?
Why did nobody other than John Ioannidis ask whether Covid was as bad as it was being hyped up to be?
No, memory holed, inconvenient..never talked about because it never existed…the ‘lie’ won’t permit it….
$$$$
“Vonderful Vonderful Copenhagen”
ECCMID! Free food, free beer and lots of sex!
Pandemic what? Sorry? Vundervar!
More meetings please!
“I luv shese knees up!”
“Pandemic shmemic”
The sky is green and the Emperor has new clothes! The moon is made of cheese (we know cause we’ve been! Apparently) energy by long past methods are the future! Pandemics happen because we say so! “You vil have nusing and be happy, snell” ‘the son of a nazi worker!’ Don’t you just love this great reset? How can the world not be better for it?
Thank you for going, and for reporting on it…but what you saw and heard can’t possibly come as a surprise to you or anyone.
Any fool know that Convid was the deadliest disease since WW1, it killed millions..it’s still with us, who knows what deadly form it will take next?….All NPI’s helped in some way or other…and if they didn’t we should do them anyway (pretty much what Walensky said about masks)…. and the (world beating™️) amazing roll-out of the super vaccine saved millions of lives, (and if there were a few bad reactions to it they are ‘exceedingly rare’….™️)
This is the official line, they will NEVER admit to anything else…
We don’t have much choice other than to combat idiots when we see and talk to them..keep telling the truth..keep ourselves informed.
Keep saying no, keep resisting, never take part in the lie….
Its a war of attrition, and we have to keep going..they haven’t pulled the wool over everyone’s eyes, and more and more ordinary people will wake up I’m convinced…
Thing’s like egregious interview help..they think censorship helps them..it doesn’t…
https://nypost.com/2023/04/28/abc-news-cuts-rfk-jr-vaccine-remarks-out-of-interview/
Nothing to see here. Move on please.
Our response must be to get our information elsewhere, support free speech, challenge falsehood, stop giving our money to those whonhate us (boycott wokism, rennism) and total noncompliance with wickedness.
Interesting article. I’m not surprised that there is a lot of “recollections may vary” going on, although it is quite disgraceful in the medical and scientific community. No matter how you look at it, a lot of NPIs were unscientific and pointless, yet came at great expense, both socially and economically. They know it should not have happened, it is now paramount that it does not happen again. SPEAK OUT FFS!! As for the coercive deployment of the vaxx looking ‘dubious’ – I’m afraid I find that worded far too gently. It was outright criminal. Outside of the fact that it should never have been forced upon the bulk of the population that was never at risk, no one should ever be forced to undergo coercive medical treatment. Individual choice has long been respected. What is the next step, chop off the breasts of all women to bring breast cancer numbers down, chop off the testicals of all men to bring testicular cancer numbers down? The pharmaceutical industry is calling the shots on this one, which became clear when its hiding of trial data became known. Regulatory officials need to be fired and prosecuted. Not only giving the green light… Read more »
Criminal and evil
Top class 👍
You missed this bit out….and no, it’s not a joke!!
Moderna
@moderna_tx
We are thrilled that our mRNA #COVID19 #vaccine won a Vaccine Industry Excellence award at the 2023 The World Vaccine Congress.
Not another one.
Did Billy set up the “vaccine awards” industry?
“The test I finally ran in Norwich came up negative.” FFS