Whatever You Think of Abortion, the WHO Forcing it on Member States Should Ring Alarm Bells
The World Health Organisation (WHO) recommends that babies should be killed up until the moment they emerge from the birth canal, without delay, whenever a pregnant woman requests it. Through its updated abortion care guideline released in 2022, WHO expects all Member States to implement this policy.
This article is not about whether WHO’s policy is right or wrong, but the process used to reach its conclusions, and what this tells us about WHO as a legitimate global health advisory body.
Dealing with a difficult topic
It is important to say awkward things sometimes, when these things are true. When we become polarised, we can start to believe that stating something consistent with ‘the other party’ can be worse than telling lies to support our preferred stance. This demeans us and does not help anyone. There are few issues that polarise Western society more than abortion.
I am tied to neither side of the abortion debate. As a medical practitioner, I have taken part in surgical abortions, helping women to stop a pregnancy that they decided they did not want to continue. I have also assisted some hundreds of women to deliver babies.
I have been with tiny premature babies of just 20 weeks gestation when they died. I have gently cradled a very premature child of my own, fully human in my hands. He saw light and felt hunger, pain and fear, his outstretched hand the size of my thumbnail. He could have been killed in many places if he had not happened to be born early.
Many thousands of girls and women also die excruciating deaths each year from septic, unsafe abortions performed because safe abortion is outlawed or inaccessible. The introduction to the WHO guideline notes that three of 10 pregnancies end in abortion and nearly half of these are unsafe for the mother, nearly all these being in low-income countries. I have lived in a Southeast Asian country where several thousand women are thought to die from this each year. These young and agonising deaths mostly cease when abortion is legalised.
Philosophically, I believe in the equality of all human beings and in the concept of bodily autonomy – no one has the right to interfere and control another’s body. We own and must control our bodies, not because someone grants us this right, but because we are humans. This applies to medical procedures as it does to torture. As it applies to our own body, it applies to all others.
However, because there is good and bad in the world –nurture and harm – the interpretation of this fundamental truth is not simple. At times we may need to kill another’s body. We do this in war, for example, to stop a country being invaded and its people tortured, raped and killed. But we also uphold the right of conscientious objectors who decline to kill because of their religious or moral beliefs.
So there is no simple right and wrong when it comes to the act of abortion, only a right or wrong in the intent. As humans we need to face such truths fearlessly because truth is intrinsically better than lies, and simplifications of complex issues are frequently lies. In interpreting the same truths, we may reach different actions. We need to recognise that life is full of hard choices, always harder for some than others, and we all have different experiences to inform them.
A wise friend was once discussing the issue of abortion with people who, with good intentions, held vigils outside abortion clinics to dissuade women from entering. He recounted the words of a woman who had an abortion at a such a clinic: “What she needed was someone to be with her and support her after she had left by the back door, not someone accosting her on the way in.”
Like much that life throws at us, dealing with abortion primarily requires truth, understanding and compassion, not dogma.
The WHO position on abortion, and what it means
WHO released its Abortion care guideline in early 2022, updating previous publications on the social, ethical and medical aspects of abortion into one volume. As a ‘guideline’ rather than a recommendation, WHO expects the document to be followed by the 194 Member States that make up the World Health Assembly. WHO, of course, does not have power to enforce guidelines, but ‘guideline’ in the WHO lexicon is an instruction by which countries should abide.
To ensure an evidence-base, guideline development is supposed to involve a wide range of experts and stakeholders who gather to weigh evidence, using this to carefully formulate ‘best practice’. The process should be transparent and the data traceable. A department within WHO oversees this process, ensuring that the guideline reflects the Organisation’s principles and way of working.
WHO’s guideline recommends unequivocally that abortion be performed on request of a pregnant woman, at any time during pregnancy up until delivery, without any delay that may potentially cause the pregnant woman distress.
Recommend against laws and other regulations that restrict abortion by grounds… This requires that… abortion is available when carrying a pregnancy to term would cause the woman, girl or other pregnant person substantial pain or suffering…
iv. health grounds reflect WHO’s definitions of health and mental health (see Glossary) [A state of complete physical, mental and social well-being and not merely the absence of disease or infirmity];
[Mental health: A state of well-being in which every individual realises their own potential, can cope with the normal stresses of life, can work productively and fruitfully, and is able to make a contribution to their community]…
Gestational age limits delayed access to abortion, especially among women seeking abortions at later gestational ages… Gestational age limits have been found to be associated with… increased rates of maternal mortality and poor health outcomes.
The evidence also showed that grounds-based approaches that require foetal impairments to be fatal for abortion to be lawful frustrate providers who wish to support patients and leave women no choice but to continue with pregnancy. Being required to continue with a pregnancy that causes significant distress violates numerous human rights. States are obligated [emphasis added] to revise these laws to make them compatible with international human rights law.
Put another way (but exactly the same meaning), WHO’s official position is that a woman may kill an unborn embryo or baby soon after conception, or when it is entering the birth canal during labour, and it is the health profession’s role to do this without delay upon request.
WHO’s logic in arriving at its conclusion is deeply flawed, and can only be reached by adopting a specific view of humanity that is inconsistent with that of most Member States. It is therefore an illegitimate position, if WHO works for all of its Member States and not for narrow, unrepresentative interests.
In its lack of inclusivity, the guideline demonstrates a growing culture within international health that is deeply troubling and dangerous. This culture relies on a denial of reality to achieve a pre-ordained result. It deliberately misuses human rights norms to force a particular world view on others – a form of cultural colonialism and quite the opposite of the community-driven and anti-colonialist ideals around which WHO was formed.
WHO’s human rights justification
WHO justifies its position on abortion by citing what it considers relevant human rights norms and law. It holds that there is no choice but to allow abortion, as refusing or delaying abortion, such as through a requirement for counselling, could potentially distress the pregnant woman.
When offering and providing counselling, it is essential to apply the following guiding principles: …ensure that the individual is requesting the counselling and make it clear that counselling is not required;
In causing distress, her human right to be free from ill-health (in this case psychological pain) has been infringed, based on the definition of health – physical, mental and social wellbeing – in WHO’s Constitution. This weak argument requires disagreement with another person’s views to constitute a violation of that person’s rights. Society could not function on this basis.
In establishing the required evidence-base for maintaining its incongruous position, WHO has to consider only risk and no benefit.
The studies also showed that where women requested an abortion and were denied care due to gestational age this could result in the unwanted continuation of pregnancy… those who presented at 20 weeks’ gestation or later. This outcome can be viewed as incompatible with the requirement in international human rights law to make abortion available when carrying a pregnancy to term would cause the woman substantial pain or suffering, regardless of pregnancy viability.
The studies used by WHO do not however only record negative outcomes of delays through required counselling, but note that women also considered that legally-required delays and counselling could be positive, with some opting not to have an abortion as a result.
If WHO recognised any requirement for counselling, it would have to recognise that practitioners withholding counselling would be putting informed consent in jeopardy, and in some cases babies (“pregnancy tissue”) would be lost when an informed woman, on reflection, may have preferred to keep it. Informed consent is at the basis of modern medical ethics and an internationally-accepted human right. WHO recognises in the document that: “States must ensure that informed consent is provided freely, safeguarded effectively, and based on complete provision of high-quality, accurate and accessible information.” Incongruously, it then considers that the rights of that woman are violated if the abortion is delayed in order to ensure that information, and time for reflection, are provided.
The human in ‘human rights’
At no place in the document is the definition of ‘human’ discussed. WHO’s argument for abortion requires absolute acceptance that human rights do not apply in any form prior to birth. The only human rights acknowledged in the document are those of the pregnant woman, with disputable subsidiary rights of providers. Discussion of foetal (unborn baby) rights is absent. The Universal Declaration of Human Rights does not specify a time that dividing cells become human, creating uncertainty for the Guideline’s argument.
Defining ‘human’ is difficult. It may be argued that the lack of independence, or ability to express thoughts to others, prevent the application of human rights to a foetus. This claim would require dependent adults or children who cannot articulate their thoughts to be considered sub-human, such as people severely mentally or even physically disabled, and those who are comatose. This is a position previously adopted by fascist and eugenic regimes that believed in a hierarchy of human worth. It would be unfitting for WHO.
The only intrinsic difference between the baby within and without the womb apart from geography is the umbilical cord. Suggesting the functioning of this foetal organ, comprised solely of fetal tissue, somehow prevents the rest of the foetus from being a sentient being would require redefinition of ‘sentient’. For the last few months within the uterus, when it could readily survive outside, it has its own unique and complete human DNA, a beating heart and independent movement. Some mothers will say it responds to familiar sounds. If removed from the uterus, it displays sensations of pain and distress, hunger, an ability to cry, respond to stimuli, recognise light, shapes and sounds, and drink milk. If this sentient being is not human, what is it?
Any recognition of humanness of WHO’s “pregnancy tissue” requires an acceptance of two persons in the woman-foetal relationship (i.e., two potential victims). The human rights basis of WHO’s guidelines would then require one to be considered subservient to the other. This would require a rewriting of the human rights agreements on which the panel based its determination (a hierarchy of human worth).
Alternatively, it can be decided that the rights to life of one can be infringed to benefit the other. We do this in war, we may do it in triage at the scene of an accident. We also do this sometimes in pregnancy. It involves recognising hard and unpleasant choices, as it involves putting value on potential harm to the woman versus harm to the second person in the equation. This approach would fit with human rights conventions, but would disallow an approach that relies solely on a dogma that claims the pregnant woman’s welfare is the only relevant concern. The failure of WHO to recognise the potential of two humans with attendant rights in a pregnancy smells like cowardice. Its argument is flawed.
Pregnancy tissue or person?
The Guideline manages the definition of the unborn by avoiding the use of the term ‘baby’ anywhere in its 120 pages – itself quite a feat of drafting for an abortion guideline. The term ‘pregnancy tissue’ is used most frequently to describe the growing mass within the uterus:
Pregnancy tissue should be treated in the same way as other biological material unless the individual expresses a desire for it to be managed otherwise.
However, if the foetus happens to be born at 28 weeks, WHO considers it a fully-fledged human. It is recorded in human death statistics, and WHO produces guidance on how to support its health and welfare elsewhere. WHO’s 2022 Recommendations for care of the pre-term or low-birth-weight (LBW) infant state: “The care of preterm and LBW infants is a global priority.” To kill it once out of the birth canal is murder in most countries – an ultimate violation of human rights.
For WHO’s entire human rights argument to be valid, the definition of a human must therefore rely entirely on geography – inside or outside the uterus. WHO must hold that at some moment during the final stage of labour, the ‘pregnancy tissue’ is suddenly transformed into an entirely different entity – from irrelevant tissue to a full person with the rights and immeasurable worth that this implies.
If this guideline is followed, my 28 week baby became human not through any intrinsic value or worth, but because the drugs suppressing labour became ineffective. If these drugs had worked, WHO holds that my child could have been subsequently killed as one might excise an annoying tumour. From pregnancy tissue to “global priority” depends, in WHO’s eyes, on a matter of seconds and centimetres. Whether a live abortion ‘product’ is a global priority or pregnancy tissue is not discussed – the assumption is that the intent to abort changes the status of the erstwhile human to irrelevance.
Conscientious objection and health providers
The Guideline considers removing the right to conscientious objection of the provider (this “may” be necessary), where this will delay an abortion. This is a fascinating contrast to the emphasis on avoiding any risk of emotional harm or stress to the pregnant woman. Rights apply here to the pregnant woman, but not to other involved humans.
Recommend that access to and continuity of comprehensive abortion care be protected against barriers created by conscientious objection.
Rights of the provider to follow their own cultural or religious belief may be overridden “if no alternative provider is available”.
If it proves impossible to regulate conscientious objection in a way that respects, protects and fulfils abortion seekers’ rights, conscientious objection in abortion provision may become indefensible.
Providers are not classed as equal humans; their rights are subservient. If we are to believe that ‘stress’ is a legitimate harm from which the pregnant woman must be protected as a human right, then this must also apply to stress caused to a provider who is forced to act against his or her conscience. We are faced with at least two beings whose rights must be weighed together. WHO’s simplistic human interpretation again seems to fall apart.
The guideline committee did appear aware of this dilemma, and resorted to EU human rights law to support its case (though legal arguments may question its fit with the Universal Declaration on Human Rights). The right to conscientious objection in other instances is strongly protected in international law. Whilst the Guideline quotes sections of this EU law, it fails to elucidate contrary arguments. French human rights law takes a contrary view and upholds the rights of such a medical or nursing practitioner to object; recognising the issue of forcing a practitioner to act in a way he or she considers wrong. It explicitly notes the inherent moral difficulty of setting rules in this area.
The rights of parents and minors
The rights of parents or guardians are recognised in regard to decisions on medical procedures for minors in most WHO Member States, whilst being more widely questioned in some Western cultures. The Guideline considers only one view throughout, that young age is no limit to consent. Practitioners therefore have a duty to maintain confidentiality for a pregnant girl who requests an abortion and prefers her parents to be unaware.
Recommend that abortion be available on the request of the woman, girl or other pregnant person without the authorisation of any other individual, body or institution.
This is a complicated area, and there are strong arguments for protecting confidentiality, as there are for parental involvement in consenting to medical procedures for children under their protection. WHO considers only one specific Western view to be legitimate and therefore superior, and holding that contrary views (e.g. in Islamic, South Asian, East Asian or most Christian communities) to be illegitimate and inappropriate.
WHO, inclusivity and cultural colonialism
In formulating a guideline on an issue critical to human rights and values, the world might expect WHO to consider the rich diversity of its cultural, religious and societal life. This is not evidenced within the document’s 150 pages. The drafting committee generically noted such opinions and cultures are important in the introduction:
The needs of all individuals with respect to abortion are recognised and acknowledged in this guidance… WHO guidelines systematically incorporate consideration of the values and preferences of end-users of the recommended or suggested interventions into the process of developing the guidance.
Those formulating the guidelines were seemingly unaware that such values and preferences may lead to differing opinions regarding the killing of an unborn baby.
WHO states that a global survey was conducted, followed by a meeting with participants from 15 (of 194) Member States. Either no one in this ‘inclusivity’-driven process raised any objection, or those in charge of the process considered such opinions so inferior to their own as to be unworthy of record. If cultural colonialism needs definition, this act of imposing one’s values on others through an apparent belief in the superiority of one’s own views seems an excellent example.
The world does not need to return to colonialism
WHO, heavily sponsored by private vested interests, is not the population-oriented organisation it was 75 years ago. Along with the COVID-19 response, this guideline demonstrates the extent to which WHO has regressed to a narrow Western-derived world view that even many in the West would find appalling. It seeks to impose this on others, considering alternate approaches unworthy of serious discussion.
Whatever one’s views on abortion, the flaws in WHO’s human rights arguments, and its clear avoidance of diversity of opinion, suggest an organisation focused on dogma rather than evidence. Abortion is a morally complicated area. Policy must be based on compassion and respect for all of humanity. To impose one’s views on others irrespective of evidence and without respect for alternate opinion is a form of fascism. WHO may have a place in advising on safety of a medical procedure, but not in pontificating over moral rights and wrongs. It is not there to tell people how to live their lives, but to support them with the tools to do so.
Countries currently considering whether to grant greater powers to WHO would do well to question whether the organisation is compatible with their culture, ethics and beliefs. The abortion guideline is a reflection of WHO’s growing unfitness to lead global health.
Dr. David Bell is a clinical and public health physician with a PhD in population health and background in internal medicine, modelling and epidemiology of infectious disease. Previously, he was Director of the Global Health Technologies at Intellectual Ventures Global Good Fund in the USA, Programme Head for Malaria and Acute Febrile Disease at FIND in Geneva, and coordinating malaria diagnostics strategy with the World Health Organisation. He is a member of the Executive Committee of PANDA.
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What a completely excellent, intelligent, balanced and well-reasoned article. Yet another major red flag regarding the WHO power-grab and why countries must reject the proposed treaty. The WHO is a disgusting organization and I’ll leave it there before I go off on a tangent.
I completely agree. It is about time that the WHO was aborted (along with the NHS). Unfortunately, these organisations have been infiltrated by ‘big pharma’ and have lost their way. I agree that this is a sensitive subject and not easily resolved. However, there is something evil in allowing a pregnancy to be terminated right up to the point of birth.
Indeed, I myself am one of the most pro-choice people I know, and I still think that the WHO is overreaching with this one.
Precisely, True. To say that you can kill a baby which is at full-term is just heinous beyond words, plus I cannot think of any reason under the sun that such a thing would ever be deemed necessary or justified. I too am completely pro-choice.
The reason is to sell the parts to brokers like Stem Express and, if the foetus can be removed intact, to laboratories for experimentation. Planned Parenthood have admitted this on oath.
https://www.centerformedicalprogress.org/
A well considered, well written and thought provoking piece by Dr. David Bell.
So, according to the blessed WHO, Kermit Gosnell is a cruelly treated Saint, rather than a monster.
An interesting idea that should be held in mind when considering all actions and pronouncements of the WHO.
No doubt the vans and gas chambers to eliminate older unwanted and unuseful “tissue” are waiting, even now, in the WHO’s ‘guidelines’.
As a general opinion, being a man!, the mother is the only person who should be allowed to make such a decision on a case by case basis, and should receive all the relevant help with whatever decision she comes to for whatever reason there is.
It should never be used as a form of contraception.
The father should always be consulted if he is willing or available, but ,the ultimate decision lies with the mother,.not the state, not the WHO, not WEF, not the court!
Judging by the downticks, women have no right to make decisions about their own bodies then?
X2 LOL!
An unborn baby isn’t a woman’s “own body”. It has different genetic material from her, which it shares with its father. Arguably, she has no more moral right to kill it than she has a right to invite a guest into her home for dinner and kill them.
And no choice but to look after that guest for the rest of her life??
What you refer to as woman, ie, the conscious self, is just a part of this body and one the body itself can principally do without. This means – for practical purposes – the woman has the power to make this decision. Whether or not she also has a moral right to do so depends on what kind of morals one considers applicable here. The simplistic view of the so-called American left is For us, might always equals right and the rest of the world shall abide! [*] Other cultures have different moral norms.
[*] A cynic might remark here that people physically incapable of Voting for the Democrats!, ie, unborn babies, have little political value for them and can thus readily be sacrificed if this results in getting more votes of people who can vote.
Well said young man! 🙂
Bless you Mogs!
I don’t see any justification for your argument that “the ultimate decision lies with the mother”. It’s just asserted without anything backing it up. Same as the argument that it shouldn’t be used as a form of contraception. Why shouldn’t it, if the ultimate decision lies with the mother? What “consultation” should the father have if he doesn’t have any role in the decision making process?
Your obviously a man? A chauvinist one at that!
And you obviously have so little moral compass that you would aid and abet the killing of defenseless human beings. If calling that out makes me a chauvinist, then that’s fine with me.
It is clear that you are a man, and one without empathy. Women are so often helpless victims in reproduction, and they are then expected to give their lives – emotionally and physically – up to the child. Most enter willingly into this arrangement but if they find themselves in a situation that is intolerable they should have the choice to do as they wish.
There’s no need to be insulting. I simply said that this person doesn’t provide any justifications for their assertions.
Neither do you though. After being insulting, you go on to say that if an adult woman, who willingly gets pregnant (or willingly has sex that results in a pregnancy), then finds herself in a “situation that is intolerable” (whatever that means), then she should have the choice to do as she wishes. I assume this means killing the baby. In reference to the above article, this means killing the baby just before it’s born or even killing it afterwards if the mother feels like it.
And I’m the one without empathy! Priceless!
I was talking about empathy for the women involved, and your slightly disparaging comment simply reinforces my view. Women are often victims of forced sexual attention as a result of many factors each of which can lead to an ‘intolerable’ situation for them. Most go ahead and have the child; but I would always argue that it should be the mother’s choice at the end of the day. Of course it is far preferable that a child should be born then given up for adoption in the case of late stage pregnancies, rather than aborted.
Women are so often helpless victims in reproductionand they are then expected to give their lives – emotionally and physically – up to the child.
Recently (04/10/2023), one of these helpless victims of reproduction murdered her two sons (7 and 9 years of age) in Hockenheim/ Germany, apparently because she wasn’t willing to accept that they were living with the father and she had been judically prohibited from seeing them more often than once every fortnight. Ironically, she was also a left-wing (SPD) politician claiming special expertise in families.
Don’t think your example is really on-topic is it? It’s safe to say that ”psychopath” and ”wicked” are unisex words but fortunately these people are the exception in society rather than the rule. I’m sure there are plenty of child-killers of both sexes currently doing time in prison.
Don’t think your example is really on-topic is it?
In context of the assertion that postnatal pregnancy tissue is nothing but some kind of parasite sucking the very life out of poor victims of reproduction, absolutely so.
Well said richard. Totally concur. I find that those firmly against see the subject of abortion in an overly simplistic way, a black and white issue, when the reality is that it is more shades of grey than anything else. A female’s reasons and circumstances are many and varied and nobody’s business but her own, ultimately. But it is an issue that will never ever go away, despite people’s personal opinions on it, and girls/women will always need access to safe abortions in a non-judgmental, confidential setting, human nature and biology being what it is.
I have a brother and a sister and my mother chose to pause her job until all three of us where at least out of elementary school. I don’t think this is accurately described with She had to give up her life because of us (evil postnatal pregnancy tissues that we were/are), especially not when considering that she spent more of her life working than caring for her three children. People in employment are also not exactly free to do as it pleases them and while people can oftentimes choose if they want to become victims of reproduction or not, the choice whether to work or not is usually not theirs.
I also think this victims of reproduction/ evil parasitic postnatal pregnancy tissues terminology is positively sick. It’s natural for mammals to reproduce. And a lot of parents don’t feel unjusitifiedly vicitimized by their children.
Does ‘it is natural for mammals to reproduce’ justify any form of heterosexual behaviour? Next it will be ‘it is natural for some people to be sexually attached to minors’ justifying peaedophilia. Civilised behaviour moderates our appetites for the good of everyone, particularly the defenceless.
Should we ever meet, I hereby honestly advise you that should keep the paedophilia statements to yourself as the outcome won’t be to your liking if you don’t.
So, Dinger64, will you be organising the Crowdfunder for Kermit Gosnell, then?
Out of jail and a nice rewarding sinecure with the WHO, together with Susan Michie and Jeremy Farrar?
It would help him carry on building his collection of babies’ feet!
Sorry, I don’t know anything about that particular case, my veiw was just a general one about the whole gamut of abortion as it relates to women
Appendage: Just read up about this monster kermit Gosnell.
So you now aliken me to a serial killer just because I don’t agree with your ideology!? Wow.
How many human beings have there ever been on earth?
600 billion!! And everyone,
born of woman!
Including you!
Irrefutable assertion for justification for the final say!
I agree, anything to do with abortion is a can of worms, and not an easy issue to discuss. Thank you for this thoughtful article….
I always think that when large supranatural entities talk about ‘people’ or as it states in this article ‘end users’, every drop of compassion for the individual and collective humanity is completely lost…people become a ‘thing’, a ‘problem’ to be solved….numbers on pieces of paper and graphs…
On a personal note, I always think when any large entity talks about the rights of minors to confidentiality..it lays bare the immorality at its core. While the right to confidentiality might sound virtuous, what about afterwards? What about the aftermath..and the care and support for that? Doesn’t that end up being the ‘problem’ for the very same people whose trust you just both undermined and usurped….?
Excellent article thank you, and so many issues arising from it.
As someone who professionally tries to straddle the fence between rights of the mother and rights of the fetus/baby (“pregnancy tissue” is one of the most abhorrent terms I have ever heard!), the push for late stage abortions has pushed the line too far in one direction in my opinion.
Consequences of this are many, including “failed abortions” leaving children to be left to die after delivery.
The WHO is now a Marxist organisation, and the plaything of China and Bill Gates.
There are echoes in this push towards more abortions of the eugenics movement with which Marie Stopes was associated, and this also ties in with Gates’ professed desire for depopulation.
Crickey!
Never seen so many downticks flying about!
Abortion has, and will always be, a very imotive issue
It’s great that things can be discussed on here, places like this are becoming rare.
Thanks for joining in 7941MHKB and Matt Mounsey, all voices need to be heard!
Off to the pub now,.. sláinte !! 👍
As a very simple observation, is it not interesting that men seem to dominate discussions on abortion? Perhaps we should shut up and let women navigate these difficult issues, with which they are so intimately connected, in the ways they choose.
Well I think it makes a refreshing change to see men defending women’s rights on here, so fair play to yourself, Dinger and True for speaking out. Although the topic of discussion is the article, about the vile WHO proposals, of course, not the general subject of abortion. It was bound to get derailed though wasn’t it? Anyhow, I like Dr Bell’s approach to it all and 100% concur with what he says above.
The wider implications are always a factor in any conversational topic!
Women have fought for their liberty,freedom and social position for decades, they have given their lives for this cause (Emily Pankhurst,Emily Wilding Davison ) only to have it stolen from them more than a century later by misogynistic attitudes of men, and now, men pretending to be women!
I enjoy the company of women, I’ve learned much more from them in my life than I could ever have learned from the men on a building site that I’ve spent 40 years listening to.
I’m old school, I prefer to protect my/our women and children not ridicule them.
As Mark Twain once replied to a newspaper reporter when asked “Sir, what would man be without woman”
“Scarce sir, mighty scarce”
I’m sure if men had to do the birthing their attitudes towards abortion would be vastly different!
Thankyou Mogs
This seemed an excellent, balanced article, though being on the whole not pro-choice I didn’t agree with everything in the earlier part of the article. I qualify my stance on not being pro choice: I have a problem with the rights of the unborn baby being ignored or not taken into account. The mother of course has rights; the father should also have rights; the unborn baby too should have rights, or at least be considered. Does everyone know the excruciating pain that ‘foetuses’ go through during the process of abortion? Not to mention that their limbs and organs can be harvested while they are still alive? (I imagine that I will get loads of downticks for saying all this. Please consider that, if we still value freedom of conscience, then readers must accept my viewpoint just as I must accept theirs.) I am relieved that most of the commenters seemed to agree that abortion of a baby right up
to birth is beyond the pale. It is anti-God (who created us) and Satanic (Satan revels in death, misery and pain) – we are living in dark times.
Apart from very rare circumstances where the mother’s life is in danger, almost nobody agrees with abortion in the last two trimesters.
The only people in favour of late term abortion are the people buying the body parts to experiment on.
And funnily enough, they are the ones pushing this agenda.
Anything plainly evil that nobody in their right mind would support…..trace it back. The root is always the pharmaceutical industry.
Thank you for posting this. I can quite believe your comments are correct – follow the money.
I agree in general…women’s lives are so much different now to what they were….….
…for me there’s always the temptation with this subject, to go on a bit of a moral crusade (hence why I said it’s a can of worms)….and I don’t want to deny women the right to abortion outright…..but on just a common sense level I feel that there is freely available contraception, and now the ‘morning after’ pill, so as someone who believes they are responsible for their own life, and morals, I find it hard to see how late abortion even happens..or is necessary….…
…..in a lot of ways it just highlights the moral decay, and a lack of personal responsibility that is prevalent, particularly in the decadent West…..
Yes, I agree.
Abortion was supposed to be safe, legal and rare.
Almost a quarter of pregnancies now end in abortion. People trot out the cases of 12 year old victims of incest but mostly it’s not that. Mostly it’s fully consenting adults being careless.
Spot on!
The right to impose this on any country should not be given to despicable organisations like the WHO. This just an example of what extreme impositions the WHO will impose on us if our imbecilic politicians sign up to the proposed WHO treaty
“States must ensure that informed consent is provided freely, safeguarded effectively, and based on complete provision of high-quality, accurate and accessible information.”
Er what happened during the recent jab fest then? I don’t seem to remember witnessing any “informed consent” being recommended by the WHO or any government.
WHO are a disgusting outfit and should be aborted with immediate effect.
An unborn baby has different DNA than the mother so the unborn baby is a different person who has rights, including the right to live.
An excellent and well-balanced article. In my humble opinion, it is exactly these sort of well-balanced views that are actively suppressed in favour of more polarised opinions regarding the ending of human live whether through abortion, hastening the death of the terminally ill or the right to bear arms that could be used to end life as a means of defending life. The shrill polarised opinions often obscure more sinister agenda that are both Anti-Life and Anti-Choice and that the majority of people would find abhorrent if they weren’t so caught-up in fighting for their particular one-sided view: forced abortions in China or through Covid injections elsewhere; forced killing of the sick elderly, through Midazolam, to alleviate financial burdens on the state and pension funds; fomenting war and civil discord to enhance the sales of arms manufacturers; creating public discord to diffuse criticism of wrong-doing, in a completely unrelated area, by those in authority – as was overtly done with the US Supreme Court’s sudden ruling on Roe vs Wade last year.