Guardian Lives to Regret Asking Women to Share Experiences of Online Misogyny
On Monday, the Guardian asked women in the U.K. to share their experiences of being “subjected to online misogyny” – and quicky found itself subject to a barrage of replies from women for whom the main source of online misogyny was, er, the Guardian. Guido Fawkes has collected some of the responses:
- “Does a pile on started by Owen Jones which ended with a man local to me developing a fixation on me and leaving me scared to leave the house count?” – Victoria Freeman
- “Owen Jones” – Julie Bindel
- “Well I cancelled my Guardian subscription because I was sick and tired of your biased reporting on gender ideology, which endangers women. Does that count?” – FletchFletchington
- “You removed J.K. Rowling from your list of celebrity birthdays because her support for women’s rights upset the incels in your IT department.” – Simon Edge
- “Ask the female journalists you drove out of their jobs. If you can remember what ‘female’ means.” – Sarah Phillimore
- “There was the time a clownish far-Left publication insisted birthing bodies and chestfeeding were ‘inclusive’ terms. Gross.” – Rita Panagi
- “Remember those articles you published about the Wi Spa incident, making out women and girls being exposed to a naked sex offender in the changing rooms were bigots?” – Andrea Paterson
- “I’ve had an awful amount of abuse, and a pile on orchestrated by your Owen Jones, who is really quite a horrific nasty bully.” – Red Tory
- “Seeing you get rid of Suzanne Moore and other female writers so you could keep misogynist opinion and misogynists like Owen Jones. You are truly the nastiest most anti-women paper in the U.K.” – Lottie Lewis
Worth reading in full.
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misogyny
mĭ-sŏj′ə-nē
noun
Hatred or mistrust of women.
Hatred of women. Contrast misandry.
Hatred of, contempt for, or prejudice against women.
If you mistrust men and women similarly are you a misogynist or a misanthrope?
When misogyny becomes a hate crime and you express mistrust of women online you’ll have to caveat each utterance with “(and also some men)”.
Let’s hope they don’t make misanthropy a hate crime!
If they make misanthropy a hate crime that will mess up Net Zero, Climate Change and the Woke, they don’t seem to hate everything about mankind but just want to totally mess it up.
The hardest thing about being a full-blown misanthrope: trying to decide which gender you dislike the most. LOL
Can I suggest The Guardian pays a bit of attention to Rabbie Burns?
Particularly this one: “Would that God the gift hae gie us, tae see oursel’s as others see us.”
I’m afraid much of the irrationality we see around the gay, lesbian, trans issues was pioneered by activist feminists. It was they who would selectively campaign for equality. (I don’t recall much of a campaign for equal employment opportunities down mine shafts.) It was they who would balk at the suggestion that men might be better than women at something, but in the same breath tell you that women are kinder, more compassionate, more emotionally intelligent. So they can be better as something, but can’t be worse at anything. Except brute strength. That one they accepted, probably to stay away from manual jobs. It was they who started protesting that children were pushed into gender stereotypes from an early age, with gendered toys, blue for boys and pink for girls and all that. They didn’t like that sort of thing then, but now they complain that the people at the Guardian don’t know what a woman is. Maybe the male staff at the Guardian are confused because they weren’t allowed to play with cars or an action men because they had equality obsessed feminist mums who forced them to play with dolls. And maybe the female staff are bitter and… Read more »
Lots of typical mens channels seem to be featuring feminists currently as most male and female conservatives agree that men, after wearing a dress for a year and changing their name, boxing against women, is likely not going to end well for the women.
I keep pointing out that the enemy of my enemy isn’t always my friend.
They did do their best to work their way into men only spaces/places/jobs and now they are screaming for women only spaces to be protected. I’m at the sit back and laugh stage, you asked for it. Equal rights, equal lefts and all that.
I mistrust men equally 😉
…remind me which women campaigned to change the law to go into men’s changing rooms, men’s prisons and mens hospital wards?
Google pictures of trans rights demonstrations. You’ll see men there. About a third of them. Time and again the vast majority are women. Those are the women you’re asking about.
Can you imagine the outcry if male sports commentators tried to get into the changing rooms of female teams?
Well, Second Wave Feminists demanded the right to get into male teams changing rooms a long time ago because, well, male commentators were allowed into male changing rooms.
This Is Why Female Sportswriters Can Go in Men’s Locker Rooms
https://time.com/4061122/ludtke-kuhn-jaguars-colts/
Feminism’s ever continuing double-standards.
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Certainly not me, I’m all for women and men only spaces for many very good reasons.
Which feminists? I only ask because as a woman I don’t know anyone like the people you are describing.
Isn’t it a bit lame to blame the entire female sex for such activists, and which are surely in a tiny minority?
I don’t blame all men because some might be unpalatable to me….would you like to be associated with the behaviour of ALL men?
I thank the Lord for the brave women who went before me, and for my own generation, who truly faced some terrible prejudice in the workplace, but stood up against inequality so that girls and women today can be on an even footing.
Conflating women wanting basic equality and parity and ‘activism’ isn’t doing anyone any favours…
But ‘stweart’ isn’t blaming all women, is he? He specifically, and correctly, cites Feminists. And though he doesn’t specifically name which particular wave of Feminist, he is quite clear in citing the third wave Feminists and after, the hypocrites who demanded removing single-sex spaces for men, but who demanded retaining them for women.
Feminists who no-platformed and disrupted male students trying to start men’s associations in universities, who now shriek “Foul” when their own tactics are being used on them.
Feminists who demanded the Boy Scouts become The Guides and admit girls, but demand that the Guides remain girl only. That’s modern Feminism’s idea of Equality.
Today’s Feminism isnt about Equality, it’s about advantage. It might just settle for equality, for now, in those few remaining areas where women don’t have an advantage, but doesn’t want to know about equality in the vast majority of areas where women now have advantage. Education, the law, sentencing, family courts, job selection, university entrance, political selection, etc., etc., etc..
We don’t have an Equal Opportunities Commission, we have a Women and Equal Opportunities Commission. Why is that?
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..you posit things that I don’t think actually equate with each other. I don’t say that I agree with anything or nothing, but frankly if you can’t see the difference between a woman wanting to join an all man’s club, being a man only space, and a man, wanting to go into women‘s changing rooms or prisons, then I can’t really help you…
I genuinely think boys should be Scouts and girl’s should be Guides, but are you saying that no men, whatsoever, were involved in the decision making..that a gang of women forced them to do it? It’s not how it works..
As is perfectly obvious, stewart is stating that the whole irrationality of today’s transsexual lunacy has its roots in third wave Feminism . Your reductio ad absurdam, has no relevance to his statement, nor to anything I have stated. Where do I make any attempt to equate them?
“I don’t say that I agree with anything or nothing.” You try not to.
“I don’t blame all men because some might be unpalatable to me….would you like to be associated with the behaviour of ALL men?”
Wot? Like this, you mean?
‘All Men Are Rapists and Should Be Put in Prison Then Shot’
-Julie Bindel, 2015 and 2016
https://www.dailywire.com/news/feminist-journalist-all-men-are-rapists-and-should-amanda-prestigiacomo
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..so what? Aren’t you exactly proving my point..do all the women you know agree, or are they rather more sensible?
If it’s the former you have problems and need help….
No. As I’m sure you’re perfectly well aware, what I’m pointing out what hypocrites modern Feminists are.
And if that isn’t clear to you, then it isn’t me that needs the help.
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….you mean the one or two women you quoted?
well isn’t it lucky I don’t feel like finding the shittiest quotes I can find from men..which denigrate women, of which there are many, and slag you all off and put you all in the same boat? That would make you all misogynists wouldn’t it?..
You’re creating a straw man, conflating all women with feminists.
Perhaps because you consider yourself a feminist, or you consider feminism a good thing and the feminism being identified in this discussion isn’t a feminism you agree with.
Thank you stewart. I was about to make exactly that point. Ebygum seems to resort to straw men.
Incidentally, I suspect that on any given day this is a Feminist that ebygum does agree with, but wouldn’t date to do so openly on this occasion.
..not worthy of you Stewart..
Somehow, I’m not at all surprised by that comment. Stewart is exactly on point and you know it.
I did warn you, although I’m sure you knew. There’s some serious cognitive dissonance going on here – it’s just a different version of the vax story – people who desperately want their actions to have only positive consequences, but can’t reconcile their beliefs with what’s playing out right in front of them. Answer? Bury your head in the sand and hope it goes away.
“….you mean the one or two women you quoted?”
Oh, I know what some lunatic men have said. Happily the vast majority of society regards them as lunatics.
But how many more paeans of Feminist ideology would you like me to go on quoting in similar vein? I’m quite happy to do so.
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That is one journalist, be sensible …
But it isn’t only one journalist.
I can quote you one Feminist journalist after another displaying misandry that would have had the headlines shrieking had the sexes been reversed.
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I would join you in applauding the women from the past who campaigned for specific worthwhile causes.
For example those that campaigned to have the right to vote. Those who campaigned to have a right to have access to the same qualifications as men.
They campaigned for specific things that you could clearly identify when they had achieved their goals. And that was the end of the campaign. Or should have been.
The problem are women (or anyone for that matter) who campaigns for “equality”. It’s meaningless. It’s worse than meaningless. It’s insidious because equality is a fluffy, undefinable concept that can be distorted and misused. And the campaign never ends. As we are discovering it becomes a weapon with which to permanently beat people over the head with who don’t agree with you.
The LGBTQXYZ+-/x% “community” have taken the weapon off the hands of feminists and started beating them with it too. The trick is to be a bigger victim and the weapon is yours.
Sorry, but that’s the world that feminists created when they went from campaigning for specific, worthwhile causes to campaigning for “equality”.
I’m not sure how any of this addresses what this piece is about…and I don’t think we are going to agree about this.
I can’t see how being a feminist campaigning for the ‘right’ stuff, can lead to all the ‘bad’ stuff…being the feminist’s fault…as personally I wouldn’t even call them feminist’s as they are no friend to women…and, as I said, I don’t recognise any women I know in your description…
…and you have all talked as though men haven’t been involved, or have had no agency, and have been overrun by women..to get to this situation, which is clearly farcical…..
I don’t think I can add anymore, so I’ll leave what appears to be a male-only space…..!!?
Again, Stewart is right on point. First and Second Wave Feminism was right and laudable. What Stewart points out is that modern Feminism will never be satisfied, and its very radicalism is what has given rise to, and armed, the transsexual lunacy of today.
You know perfectly well that this isn’t a male-only space. You decided to engage with little to back you up, don’t like the outcome and want to withdraw.
On many other topics on which you comment, I entirely agree with you. On this I do not.
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I think you’ve inadvertently confirmed what I mentioned above and which you consider not worthy of me.
You are clearly equating “feminists” to “women”. These are not the same thing.
So if we could agree on what we mean by “feminists” we may find we agree on more than what it appears. In. any case we already agree on one thing: the feminists I’m describing are no friend to women.
Come on, isn’t that exactly the kind of shutting down of discussion that we all dislike so much?
It isn’t male only; sorry to say I came to read this rather late in the day.
I have to say I challenged someone on this kind of nonsense last week, whereby feminists appear to be to blame for the appalling treatment now being meted out to women. I don’t think I got a reply but perhaps the conversation moved on.
By virtue of my age I suppose I am a second wave feminist. Somehow, the movement feels it must now welcome autogyaenophiliacs into our refuges (I’m looking at you, Sturgeon…)
Funny old world where we are back to square one with women to blame for being at the receiving end of objectionable male attention and with no escape.
Not sure how long the L can remain in LGBTQI##### as they appear to be the most ill-served in all this: possibly because they have no carnal interest in men.
Totally agree about “equality” – an unhelpful word and concept, often abused
Well said Gummy. Couldn’t agree more!😀👍
Thanks mogs..definitely outnumbered by a lot of ‘men’ who have obviously been triggered by the word feminist..LOL…
…although none of my female mates bleat this much..😂
I think you’re “outnumbered” because you have tried to turn this into men vs women.
That is the basis of feminism, the idea that regardless of how far women’s rights has come the pressure needs to be kept up because it is in the nature of men to keep women down and subjugate them. So masculinity needs to be suppressed. And men need to proclaim at all times their commitment to women’s rights.
Surely you can see that is EXACTLY the same idea behind woke ideology?
Whites are intrinsically racist. We are all transphobic or homophobes unless we publicly display our enthusiasm for trans rights or racial equality or whatever it is.
And you’ve just done the same thing. We’re “men” being men, attacking women, not people trying to make a perfectly reasonable and valid point.
Stewart, I have done no such thing..you’ve just quite frankly, gone off one one…
that’s OK, I’m a big girl, and I’ve worked with some proper cracking 1970’s misogynists in the past, I can look after myself…
but….the article is about something entirely different to what you are talking about….and you’ve used it as a platform for something else..…
I don’t see any of what you are complaining about in the substance of the article itself or any of my comments….the comments in the article are clearly against the woke agenda, and Owen Jones, who I defy anybody to defend..he’s a little weasel….
I have neither suggested or hinted at what you say in your comment….those things may be what you think, they may be true…but they aren’t me…nor anything I’ve said….
Morning Mrs G, late to this party as only just read the article. I’ve responded to stewart above.
I find that a qualifier ie an adjective was omitted from his original post that didn’t identify the branch of feminism as ‘radicals’.
Thank you for sticking your head above the parapet to challenge his overly broad assertion. He is correct to argue that some actions by these radical feminists have not served men or women well. But that is true of any radical action.
BB
Now do you see what I mean when I refer to the ‘resident Misogynist Society’?🤷♀️ Seems this site is over-run with them. And where are all the ladies, right? This site harbours and attracts many nasty individuals, as my own experiences have demonstrated.
Yes, indeed. Pointing out hypocrisy and double-standards is so nasty, isn’t it?
I find it interesting that citing actual examples, specific instances of third and fourth wave Feminism’s misandry, and is branded as ‘nasty’.
Whereas those who defend third and fourth wave Feminism’s hate make no specific defence, but simply resort to throwing around ad hominem slurs.
I find it extraordinary that some would down tick this response.
Quite. But don’t expect any introspection by the many feminists that are now chewing on their own tail. It won’t happen; they just cannot fathom what it is they’ve created in their decades-long vitriolic attack on all things male. Instead, prepare for the usual strawman arguments and tired old abuse.
“By the end of the 1970s feminist theories of gender were becoming increasingly sophisticated. . . . [T]hey questioned the idea that gender is a universal category. . . . Instead, they defined gender as a socially constructed product of patriarchal hierarchies.”
— Diane Richardson, Introducing Gender & Women’s Studies (3rd edition, 2007)
Stewart,
the adjective you require to describe this branch of feminism is radical or extremist. Like any movement, it is the radical element which sows the seeds of destruction.
Feminism which brought about equality of opportunity is & was a good thing.
The activism dressed up as feminism which denigrates all men is equal to the tirade stating that all feminism, without any qualification, is the root of all evil against men.
Division, arguments & fallings out are exactly what TPTB want within any group of independently thinking folk. A more careful selection of language would have diffused or prevented an entirely understandable response where any & all feminism is denigrated, which I don’t believe was your intention.
Language & semantics matter a great deal if we’re to challenge beliefs without alienating the majority.
BB
Careful … you’re chip is showing again!
The usual shit-stirrers spouting the usual sexist drivel. Tedious AF.😴 The irony being that the only one demonstrating any balls on here is ebygum, for challenging the Misogynist Society despite being outnumbered.
And there you have it.
If you challenge feminist ideas you’re misogynist.
If you challenge Black Lives Matters you’re racist.
If you challenge the promotion of transsexualism you’re a transphobe.
If you challenge the promotion of homosexuality you’re a homophobe.
Thanks for proving my point.
A misogynist is someone who is prejudiced against women not someone who disagrees with feminism.
Suicide, homelessness, sentencing, deaths in the workplace, health spending, spending on health reseach, job selection, education, university places, family courts, life expectancy, etc., etc., etc..
It’s just such a misogynystic society, isn’t it?
Me? I’m boycotting the AGM of The Great Patriarchy and cancelling my membership. It’s done a dreadful job of maintaining my privilege.
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I wish I’d have have followed this thread closer. Not surprising in the least that your reply to anything that goes against your ill understood perceptions of reality is founded on insults. If I could frame an example of ‘don’t shoot the messenger’, you’d be worth a fortune. But you’re not. Definitely not. Do I see female tears there? I think I do!
Just picking myself up off the floor….the ribs cannot take any more punishment….
So Bindel complains about misogyny, and Feminists campaign to have misogyny (how are you going to define it) a criminal offence.
But this by Bindel is, of course, perfectly fine.
Feminist Journalist: ‘All Men Are Rapists and Should Be Put in Prison Then Shot’
https://www.dailywire.com/news/feminist-journalist-all-men-are-rapists-and-should-amanda-prestigiacomo
It’s also interesting to note that the first interview in which Bindel advocated this, in the “radfem collective” has since been heavily edited to remove the paragraphs.
http://www.radfemcollective.org/news/2015/9/7/an-interview-with-julie-bindel
Tell me again, Feminists, how your noble fight against The Patriarchy is on behalf of men, too.
Terms like chestfeeding or birthing bodies are abominations, regardless of what people who also think so might done wrong in the past themselves. It’s pefectly possible to be critical of both trans-erasure of women as physical beings with certain innate properties and the All men are rapists! nonsense.
Exactly.
“How do we dismantle gender? We have to get rid of it. There is no point looking at reforming it. It would be like saying we could reform the Tory party. We just need to abolish and obliterate it.”
Julie Bindel, September 2015
http://www.radfemcollective.org/news/2015/9/7/an-interview-with-julie-bindel
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How do we dismantle gender? We have to get rid of it.
Brilliant idea. You invented it. Please uninvent it again.
No it was an odious man in the 1950s who came up with the idea that gender could be reassigned using a male born twin who at 2 years of age had surgery post infection which damaged his penis & persuaded the parents that surgery to female genitalia & bringing him up as a girl was the correct thing to do.
The child & his twin were both irreparably damaged. Both committed suicide in their 30s & 20s respectively.
All it took was one evil man with total disregard for his clinical trial subjects & the willingness of health professionals to carry out his orders.
Prior to this man ‘gender’ was not used as a term to distinguish between men & women, the term ‘sex’ was, so Bindel is completely accurate to say so. Toxic, destructive language has been used to destroy the beautiful complementary nature of the sexes.
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Societies major problem is that most women identify as feminists. As feminist’s they believe that masculinity is a problem that needs to be eradicated. How do you eradicate masculinity? Well, one way is to trivialise it; and one way to trivialise it is it make fun of it. To try to invert the very idea of masculinity. To mock. How’s that turning out ladies? Working out well? Happy? How’s Bearded Brian getting on at your girls sports day? Win much?
One thing I’ve learnt over all the years – I used to think women we’re better in some way, but they’re not. Definitely not.