How Many Ukrainians Have Been Forcibly Transferred to Russia?
Russia’s invasion of Ukraine has spawned Europe’s biggest refugee crisis since World War II. According to the United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees, almost eight million Ukrainian refugees have been recorded in Europe and other neighbouring countries, with an additional 250,000 having left for North America.
Ukraine’s pre-war population (excluding Crimea) was estimated to be around 41 million, which means that almost one in five Ukrainians have left the country. An additional fraction of the population has been internally displaced.
Because men are banned from leaving, at least 85% of those who’ve fled are women. (Depending on how many eventually return, this could dramatically upset the country’s gender balance.)
Scanning the numbers of Ukrainian refugees recorded in different countries around the world, one figure stands out – the number recorded in Russia. According to the UNHCR, 2.85 million refugees are residing there, more than in any other country. Indeed, 2.85 million is almost 36% of the total number of Ukrainian refugees.
At first glance, the fact that such a large number of Ukrainians have fled to Russia would seem to support Putin’s claims about the persecution of ethnic Russians in eastern Ukraine. At the very least, it would seem to undermine the Western narrative that Ukrainians are united in wanting to join the West.
Indeed, 36% is similar to the proportion of Ukrainians who favoured joining the Russian-led Eurasian Customs Union, rather than the European Union, in polls taken before the ‘Revolution of Dignity’. For example, in September of 2013, 37% said they favoured the Eurasian Customs Union, versus 42% who said they favoured the EU.
Yet the number of refugees in Russia can’t be taken at face value. Western sources claim that many Ukrainians residing in Russia were sent there involuntarily. Last July, U.S. Secretary of State Anthony Blinken stated that “Russian authorities have interrogated, detained, forcibly deported between 900,000 and 1.6 million Ukrainian citizens”.
This allegation was repeated by America’s ambassador to the UN, Linda Thomas-Greenfield. Russia dismissed it as a “fantasy”.
In her speech, the U.S. ambassador referred to evidence gathered by Human Rights Watch, the Organisation for Security and Cooperation in Europe and the Yale School of Public Health’s Humanitarian Research Lab – each of which has investigated allegations of forced deportations by Russian authorities. (The Associated Press has also looked into such allegations.)
The investigation by Human Rights Watch is the most extensive. They interviewed several dozen Ukrainians, and concluded that “most of the cases” they documented “amount to forcible transfers” and potentially, therefore, war crimes.
However, what’s not clear is how representative these cases are. The number of Ukrainians interviewed by HRW is a tiny percentage of 2.85 million, and the cases are unlikely to have been selected at random. This isn’t necessarily a failing of HRW; gathering reliable information on refugees is difficult, especially in the middle of a war.
Indeed, the organisation states that “the total number of Ukrainian civilians transferred to Russia – either voluntarily or involuntarily – remains unclear”. And to my knowledge, U.S. officials have not explained how they obtained the figure of “between 900,000 and 1.6 million” deported Ukrainians.
In September, the UN’s Assistant Secretary-General for Human Rights stated that “in the cases documented by the OHCHR” Ukrainians transferred to Russia “have had freedom of movement”. Which is consistent with HRW’s finding that “all 18 people” they interviewed who went to Russia subsequently left. (HRW interviewed 54 Ukrainians who either went to Russia, went through Russian ‘filtration’, knew people who went there, or helped people leave Russia; of these, 18 went to Russia.)
However, the Assistant Secretary-General did also refer to “credible allegations of forced transfers of unaccompanied children” – transfers that may involve illegal changes to children’s personal status, including nationality. Russia, again, denied these allegations.
While Ukrainians in Russia are “technically free to leave”, the Associated Press reports, many fear that “if they return, Ukraine will prosecute them for going to the enemy” – a fear that is “encouraged by Russian officials”. Others lack the money or documents needed to travel long distances.
Another point worth noting is that the figure of 2.85 million Ukrainian refugees in Russia may itself be inflated. This was the conclusion of the University of Texas Global Disinformation Lab, after they analysed satellite imagery of crossings at the Russia-Ukraine border.
At the present time, we don’t know how many Ukrainians were forcibly transferred to Russia. While there’s evidence that the number is greater than zero, very high estimates put forward by U.S. officials have not been independently verified.
Many of those sent to Russia involuntarily have been able to leave (albeit without any support from Russian authorities) which suggests the stock of Ukrainian refugees in Russia may comprise a large number of individuals who are residing there voluntarily. On the other hand, some may have stayed due to practical constraints.
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“…Putin’s claims about the persecution of ethnic Russians in eastern Ukraine”. Not a claim, a fact. Until 2018 I had relatives from Donetsk. He was Russian, his wife was Ukrainian. They had to leave Donetsk because of the frequent shelling, not by Russian forces, but Ukrainian forces. They found refuge in Russia where someone gave them their dacha to live in. The persecution of ethnic Russians in Eastern Ukraine is well-documented and of course ignored by Western media. Around 2 million Ukrainians live in Russia. The two countries are closely connected historically and demographically. There may well have been some forced deportations just as there have Ukrainians rounding up and punishing Russian sympathisers. The attempt to portray just one side as the bad guys is very unbalanced. Once again I feel like I’m reading the Daily Mail, not the Daily Sceptic.
Fortunately this site gives us the facility for intelligent replies, unlike the Mail’s BTL comments section which is overrun by nihilists, leftists and imbeciles.
Shelling territory occupied by an opponent is not persectution of the residents but a tactic of war, unless it is Russia which seems intent on capturing piles of rubble wherever it can.
That’s like saying Wales is full of opponents who aren’t English,so it’s OK to kill them, because they have their own historical ethnicity, even though they form part of the landmass of the UK…
I think you’ll find it’s called genocide….and usually we don’t egg people on, arm them or give them excuses to do it….
You’re right when you say the Ukrainian shelling of civilians is not persecution. It is of course a war crime
I can’t decide which of your two points here I disagree with the most.
They weren’t shelling ‘territory occupied by opponents’ they were shelling their own citizens.
I suspect Mr Carl (who generally takes a balanced and historically cognisant view of the conflict) is being careful to avoid appearing to side with Russia. The piece read nothing like the Daily Mail to me.
2.85 million Ukrainians seeking the safety of Mother Russia.
How many more millions fled from Ukraine east of the Dnieper River fleeing from the ultranationalist Ukrainian government after the US coup of 2014 (Noah using the term ‘Revolution of Dignity’ is a misnomer) to reside within the boundaries of the old Ukraine but in the Donbass and now part of Russia?
The persecution, shelling and death experienced by ethnic Russians made many of them seek sanctuary in the Donbass.
The number of Ukrainians allegedly “forced” into Russia is so small that it is insignificant.
‘Revolution of Dignity’ spurred on by Ukrainian nationalists causing a false flag massacre and a CIA- and EU-led coup against an elected government that didn’t want to be part of the EU. And that old warmonger John McCain was in the crowd. How would we have felt if an anti-Brexit coup had been staged in late 2016 with Angela Merkel here in the rioting remainer crowd?
For all Putin is a despot, when you look at the technocratic, dystopian tyranny the Western world is sliding into, Russia is probably freer than the UK now!
Quite agree.
“Russia has accepted almost 4.8 million refugees from Ukraine and Donbass since February, Deputy Minister of Emergency Situations Anatoly Suprunovsky said on Friday.
“More than 4,790,000 people arrived on the territory of Russia through checkpoints, including more than 712,000 children,” he said at a meeting of the All-Russian Coordinating Council of Human Rights Commissioners dedicated to the protection of human rights in the field of migration. The reception of refugees began on February 18.”
https://tass.com/society/1538897
The “Are We the Baddies” line from the comedy show >That Mitchell and Webb Look< in which two men play Nazis who realize they’re the “bad guys” of World War 2 would be very applicable to the US (military industrial /intelligence complex), NATO, The EU, The UN, The puppet Ukraine (Nazi) regime and the bought and paid for MSM etc etc.
The parroting of the same globalist lies about the very nature of what is going on with (sacrificial) destruction of Ukraine is very disappointing.
Has the last 3 years taught you (Noah Carl) nothing about who is pulling the levers behind the curtain.
We have to wonder how many of those taken to Russia are now in the Russian Army or in Wagner, because theyt cannot refuse, and fighting against Ukraine.
A lot less the the desperate Ukrainian regime are “hoovering” up (old men and boys) at the moment to feed into the meat grinder at Bakhmut.
So many clips now all over Twitter and Telegram showing Ukrainian men being chased or ‘jumped’ by the army….it’s impossible to deny…
both Hungary and Moldova have said that their countries ‘minorities’ in Transnistria are being persistently targeted by the Ukrainian army….
Also today I found out that Michael Gove and the Department of Levelling Up..have sent letters to some UK families that are hosting Ukrainians to provide info on all the male Ukrainians above age 18? They are are asking them to make sure the men go to the Embassy of Ukraine…..
”failure to do so might result in a lower financial benefit for the sponsor”
Sounds ominous? Why only males over 18?
I would suggest the answer is zero because the Russians are currently only recruiting reservists.
I am not a statistician, but even so, it seems remarkable (I am being generous here) to draw any conclusions about over a million people who have relocated to Russia on the basis of interviews with a handful of people who apparently chose (and were able) to leave.
…we will never know because we have the ridiculous situation of Never believing Russia, about anything..even when they are patently telling the truth…so we will never have any kind of balanced debate…
It’s juvenile, stupid and shameful….and most thinking adults know it..
I would also argue that because some supranatural entity is a form of ‘charity’ or has ‘peacekeeping’ or some such in its name, that it doesn’t have an agenda, and can’t be bought and paid for?
Amnesty were forced to withdraw their article about Ukrainian’s using schools as cover for the army….it was true, but we t against the agenda…
..they’ve also reported on the Petal Mines dropped by Ukraine in civilian towns…it’s illegal and a war crime….crickets from the ‘supporters’ and the MSM….