No, Ukraine Isn’t Losing and Stalemate Isn’t Inevitable
I was intrigued to see Eugyppius’ recent piece on the war in Ukraine, in which he comments on an article in Die Welt which has the headline ‘Why it is almost impossible that Ukraine will still win’ (auto translation). Eugyppius takes this as a rare moment of candour from Die Welt – an admission of truth, hitherto concealed. I wouldn’t be so sure… but since the author of the piece is Christoph B. Schiltz, a doctor of political science, perhaps we should take this seriously. I was reminded of the unfortunate demise of poor Bunbury:
Algernon: The doctors found out that Bunbury could not live, that is what I mean – so Bunbury died.
Lady Bracknell: He seems to have had great confidence in the opinion of his physicians. I am glad, however, that he made up his mind at the last to some definite course of action, and acted under proper medical advice.
Oscar Wilde
However, the problems with Dr Schiltz’s diagnosis are manifold. He starts with false (or at best disputed) claims and makes a military assessment based on flawed assumptions. His very first sentence contains four distinct errors. He writes:
Kiev’s army is running out of men and matériel, the enemy is adapting better and has massive supplies. [Auto translation.]
Let’s start with the claim that Ukraine is running out of men (and his claims about Russia’s large manpower resources). The fact is that Ukraine has more men than it can put into the field because of a lack of equipment for them to use (tanks, planes, etc.). In fact, the same applies to any nation – including Russia – practically no matter the size of the population. Beginning at least as early as the 14th Century, and definitely from that dreadful day in 1453, offensive equipment such as cannons (and its descendents) have increasingly become crucial to warfare and – beyond an essential minimum – manpower has relatively little bearing on the matter, with the fundamental limitation being the equipment itself, and only secondarily the manning of that equipment and its supporting troops and logistics. The Gulf War was fought against a numerically comparable number of Iraqi soldiers, but nobody thinks it was an even contest, or a contest of manpower at all.
But even leaving equipment aside, there is simply a limit to how many men you can stuff into a trench or use in an effective attack; indeed, there is an optimum, beyond which an increase in troops (with all their logistical demands) effectively degrades overall effectiveness, while an increase in troop concentrations is likely to lead to higher casualty rates. It’s simply not a matter of two armies getting as many men as they can to stand on either side of a field shooting at each other with small arms until one side runs out of men (unlike, say, Bunker Hill). In fact, this war is largely an artillery duel, where soldiers on either side hide behind their equipment many miles apart and barely ever see each other, with the key targets being the weapons systems. However, for what it’s worth, Ukraine has roughly 700,000 active military personnel out of a total pool of at least 11 million potential recruits. It has enough.
Later in the article, Schiltz makes the following rather odd statement in support:
Depending on how one looks at it, [Ukraine is] already in at least the eighth wave of mobilisation, meanwhile men over 60 years of age are being sent to the front. [Auto translation.]
I simply don’t know where that comes from, and I think it’s misleading and possibly outright false. The original mobilisation order for 90 days has been extended three times, but there are none over the age of 60 being forced to enlist, and it’s mainly reservists who’ve been recalled, in addition to largely willing volunteers. It’d be nice if Schiltz could cite his sources.
As to the situation vis-à-vis matériel, Schiltz doesn’t specify what he thinks Ukraine is “running out of”. When it comes to artillery ammunition, Ukraine did have some problems with the supply of 155mm shells last year, and has had ongoing difficulties with supplies of Soviet-standard 152mm ammo (and the overall amount of artillery pieces). But Western countries have been providing more and more systems, and the U.S. and U.K. are ramping up production of 155m shells, while Rheinmetall stands ready to do so too, and production continues in Czechia and elsewhere in Europe. With 152mm ammunition, again there are strong efforts underway to meet the demand. Total current expenditure of artillery rounds is about 4–7,000 a day, and doesn’t appear to be dropping – but Ukraine would like to increase it. In terms of small arms ammunition, there is more than enough of the Soviet ammo types, and vast quantities of NATO-calibre ammunition is available around the world – such that it’s routine to see Ukrainian soldiers suppressing the enemy by mag-dumping their rifles with gleeful abandon.
As for the rockets fired by the M142 HIMARS and M270 systems, the numbers available in Ukraine are unclear, but Lockheed Martin (in partnership with Northrop Grumman) is looking to ramp up production of new GMLRS rockets to 14,000 per year, while some production may also be licensed to European manufacturers, which would be sensible given the number of new HIMARS systems being ordered by European nations. Thus, Ukraine may not be running out of GMLRS, as far as we know, but they are (and have always been) limited in what they can use. One key area that has been a huge concern is Ukraine’s stocks of air defence missiles (particularly for the S-300), however the latest tranches of Western weapons supplies and new orders (NASAMS, Iris-T, Patriot, Thales) have been aimed at rectifying this.
I won’t go through the whole list of supplies needed (everything from clothing to fuel, to mortar rounds, IFVs, etc.), but for instance when it comes to ATGMs there are many times as many of them as there are Russian tanks for them to destroy (I lost count at about 20,000), and I can’t remember the last time I saw a Ukrainian soldier in combat without decent body armour. Nevertheless, when it comes to the heavier and more sophisticated Western weapons systems like tanks, planes, longer-range rocket artillery and air defence systems, Ukraine could use as much as can be supplied. That could be crucial to making the difference between sustaining a long, drawn-out conflict and achieving a swift victory.
Coming to the second half of Schiltz’s first sentence, I have not heard a single military expert state that the Russian army has been “adapting better”. The only operations the Russian army has managed to carry out in a relatively orderly manner have been the retreats from Kyiv and Kherson. The recent ongoing battle for Bakhmut has seen wave after wave of raw Russian convicts/recruits being thrown before Ukrainian positions, to be mowed down with the sole aim of allowing the more experienced Russian soldiers in the rear to spot those Ukrainian positions in order to direct artillery fires (a tactic known as “reconnaissance by fire”). If that is what Schiltz calls “adapting better”, then I can only assume his analogy is drawn from lemmings.
Furthermore, Bakhmut itself has no strategic significance, and it seems as though the real goal of these costly attacks has not been to win the war, but to improve the standing of Yevgheny Prigozhin and his Wagner PMC inside the Kremlin, as he jockeys for position with Defence Minister Sergei Shoigu and Chechen warlord Ramzan Kadyrov, while Putin (reminiscent of Hitler) sits atop this pile of squabbling generals. The fact that Russian forces don’t have unified command at the top means they have huge planning and operational problems, and the fact that the different groups (e.g., DPR, LPR, Wagner, Kadyrovite Chechens and Russian regulars) have on many occasions been said to have got into heated arguments which have sometimes ended in them fragging each other with small arms or artillery, exemplifies the state of affairs at the bottom end. This is in stark contrast to the Ukrainian army, which not only has the respect of the population, but has a unified command structure with the right level of support and trust from civilian politicians, and has adapted very successfully to the modern “mission command” doctrine that gives valuable semi-autonomy to commanders on the ground – besides having access to the combined knowledge and experience of Western military leaders and defence experts. That’s not to say that some Ukrainian commanders and troops aren’t idiots, or that mistakes can’t be made. But that’s always the case in any army.
On Schiltz’s unsupported claim about Russia having “massive supplies” of matériel, evidence of rates of expenditure of 152mm artillery shells (declining from a peak of about 60,000 per day to about 20,000 per day) suggests scarcity. But Russia doesn’t have nearly as many friends as Ukraine, so outsourcing supplies is very difficult (with some shells having been purchased from North Korea), leading some to suggest that Russia will run out of shells and rocket artillery ammunition “early in 2023” – though I am rather more cautious, and would say that Russia (with a possible production capacity of perhaps 2–3m shells per year, when ramped up) will likely have to reduce its usage to less than 10,000 per day before long. However, given the significantly greater accuracy (and therefore effectiveness) of NATO 155mm artillery compared to Soviet-era 152mm artillery, and assuming Western supplies are ramped up sufficiently, this could give Ukraine the long-sought artillery advantage for the first time.
When it comes to Russian ballistic and cruise missiles, based on the scale and frequency of recent attacks (and a reliance on cheap Iranian drones) it seems that Russia is already severely rationing their use (down from over 50 per day last April) and has already effectively expended its pre-war stocks, forcing it to rely on its very limited production capacity (perhaps 8 Kh-101s per month, for instance), much of which further relies on Western electronics that are now subject to sanctions. Given that militaries always use the oldest stocks first, it’s revealing that rockets recovered of late have shown markings indicating very recent manufacture.
In other areas, anecdotal evidence from Russian conscripts suggests stocks of rifles and small-arms ammunition could be quite low, although it is possible that their commanders might be nervous about giving them too many guns, or that – as cannon fodder – they perhaps don’t really need more than a token amount of ammo. Supplies of tanks are hard to determine, but from a pre-war total of about 2,900 and with documented losses of over 1,600 (with over 500 captured by Ukraine), Russia has had to bring out tanks from storage, including ancient T-62s. Pre-war numbers of tanks in storage (T-72, T-80 and T-90) were estimated by IISS at 10,200, but with the levels of corruption in the Russian army and the poor storage facilities (many of them open to the elements), it’s been a slow process of scavenging old tanks from what remains – and (despite Schiltz’s later claims) no decisively large numbers of these are likely to appear. Nevertheless, it has to be said that the numbers of Western tanks now being provided to Ukraine are not decisive, and even though they are better tanks in most respects, they’re still very vulnerable to ATGMs.
Schiltz’s second sentence reads as follows:
No wonder Western diplomats are now talking more and more about a cease-fire.
and later:
…it has finally become clear that the USA, Germany and other NATO allies are more afraid of the war spreading into NATO territory than of the threat to Western security from Russian territorial conquests in Ukraine. [Auto translation.]
I wonder who these “Western diplomats” are, exactly? He doesn’t say, but I can only assume he’s talking about German diplomats, since it’s been accepted by pretty much everyone else (apart from Hungary, Austria, Italy and Turkey) that a cease-fire would only be used by Russia as a means to better train its newly-mobilised men, refurbish older tanks and manufacture more missiles, artillery pieces and shells, etc. Nobody is seriously trying to pressure Ukraine into talks (and Ukraine won’t be pressured like that anyway), since the core of NATO understands that negotiations would be completely futile, given that Russia simply will not yield on its territorial claims, merely wishing to cement its 2022 gains in some quasi-legal fashion, while re-arming for another go in a few years’ time – just as it did in 2015. To think otherwise is hopelessly naïve: to Putin and his circle, the conquest of Ukraine is a quasi-religious and almost categorical imperative, a psychological hangover of the worship of the state under communism, and comparable to the equally implacable and religiously-motivated hostility of Iran towards Israel. Even President Macron, who long held open the door for negotiations between Russia and Ukraine, has changed course and is now not ruling out supplies of French combat aircraft to Ukraine. (And bravo to Sweden for their willingness to supply Gripen fighter jets.)
As for Schiltz’s claim that the U.S. is afraid of the war somehow spreading into “NATO territory” (NATO has no territory as such), that has never been a serious concern, because NATO’s Article V is an absolute deterrent that would obviously be suicidal for Putin to cross. The concern – quite wrongly, in my view – has been over the possibility of nuclear escalation, hence the rather regrettable agreement between the U.S. and China not to supply U.S. combat aircraft, in return for China using diplomatic pressure to stop Putin getting nuclear-trigger happy – but this agreement is under considerable internal US pressure. And if the U.S. is so concerned about escalation, why has it used every lever possible to pressure Germany into “freeing the Leopards”, while not objecting to other countries sending their own jets, such as F-16s?
So I disagree with more-or-less everything Schiltz says (in fact, I think he’s 180° wrong), although he does make a point about the rather severe degradation of the Ukrainian energy-generating infrastructure which I’m inclined to take more seriously (although he exaggerates). However, so far this hasn’t affected military operations to any serious degree, and I think time will tell if it’ll have a major impact on the war: better air defences, the depleted Russian strike capacity and the coming of warmer spring weather may mean that things will begin to improve.
That said, things are not easy for Ukraine, and we shouldn’t underestimate the scale of the challenge before them. There may be some kind of Russian offensive in a few weeks’ time, and then (assuming that lemming train is crushed, which seems very likely) a Ukrainian offensive seems set to begin in late March or early April and possibly continuing into, or resuming in, summer. The outcome of that Ukrainian offensive is likely to be decisive, either bringing significant gains and paving the way for a Ukrainian victory this year or next, or (in the other event) leading to a stalemate, and further years of ongoing conflict. As Justin Bronk put it, contra much of what Schiltz said:
The Russians are in this nadir at the moment. They’ve got really quite limited trained manpower. They’ve got this additional roughly 150,000 Russian mobilisees that they’ve yet to commit, who have been training – not for very long, but they have been training. They are being equipped as units, but they don’t really have any other reserves at the moment. And so the Ukrainians have a significant personnel advantage at the moment, and they even have an ammunition advantage in terms of the weights of fire, because Russian production just hasn’t kept pace. They didn’t put their industry on a war footing until really quite recently, because they’d hoped for a short war and it just took time for it to filter through. But that kind of advantage for Ukraine to really make serious territorial gains in the spring and the summer isn’t going to last forever, because as incompetent and almost bafflingly useless as the Russian training pipeline and industrial ramp-up has been so far, there is a huge amount of pressure being exerted by the leadership in Moscow now, there is a huge coercive state apparatus to back it up […] and so as we get towards the autumn and towards the winter of this year, we have to at least plan on the assumption that Russian industrial production [is] now really ramping up […], so that if we get to that autumn and the winter and Ukraine hasn’t made pretty decisive territorial gains, then they may not get a chance again to really take back large swathes of territory. It’s not that they’re going to suddenly lose, but at that point we’re probably looking at going towards much more of a stalemate.
My money’s still very much on Ukraine and its indomitable people, and on President Zelenskyy and General Zaluzhnyi. Слава Україні!
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More fantasy from Ian Rons. Ukraine have lost infinitely more men than Russia. This was posted by geo-political analyst Pepe Escobar. Ukraine have lost 387,000 conscripted soldiers killed in action. Plus 31,240 mercenaries have been killed. Ukrainian Telegram channel “Observer”: Open Source INTelligence (Intelligence from open sources), based on reports from funeral agencies, extracts from morgues, as well as the results of an analysis of radio, cellular and satellite exchange of forces of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, reports that as of October 20, irretrievable losses of The Armed Forces of Ukraine amounted to 402,000 people, of which 387,000 were killed. At the same time, to date, the Committee of Soldiers’ Mothers of Ukraine has allegedly prepared more than 320,000 appeals “about the fate of the missing soldiers,” but the SBU has forbidden filing applications with the prosecutor’s office for national security purposes. https://vk.com/wall578617852_26297 US Military analyst William Schryner wrote in January 2023 that “Ukraine has now suffered approximately 500,000 irretrievable (military) casualties and virtually the entirety of their original inventories of military hardware – the equivalent of ALL the personnel and equipment (both active and reserves) with which they commenced this conflict.” Telegram channels from the frontline show… Read more »
Agreed. Ukraine is a smouldering ruin, centuries of history wiped out. Russia is intact. Ukraine is merely a battleground for a US vs Russia war.
Russians achieved their main objectives by last spring.
They are now in a holding/consolidating phase.
There is zero chance the Uketopia will take back what it has lost including the Crimea.
But….the war is so lucrative for many and gives idiots like Doris Johnson a stage.
I don’t know if this is a click-bait piece for the 77th or something else? Ukraine was building up its Military forces since the coupe in 2014 by NATO. Perhaps the largest Army in Europe in 2021? The Ukrainians spend most of their time practicing bombing the Donbass. Russia and the Ethnic Russians had had enough and in Feb24th 2022, Russia invaded on the pretext of liberating its people. Take that anyway you want. The main objective for Nato/US is to own Svestapol. Russia will protect that to the last man – just as US will sent every Ukrainian to die for the same cause. Bakhmut not matter? sure then why have so many people – mainly young Ukrainian Men have died there for no reason. The Kiev Regime wants land capture at any cost. The Russians want Ukrainian Military attrition and could not care less about holding cow and grain country. Analysis I read put UKR at nearly 160k dead and 20k of Russian/Russian affiliates dead. At least 8 to 1. Double those numbers for combat incapacitated. UKR is hoovering the cities for the last hold-out for young boys and old men to push into a meat grinder. They… Read more »
Well said Mr Rons.
There is a great deal of silliness, wishful thinking on here based on Russian propaganda sources.
Massed assaults, as performed by the Chinese army in Korea, can cause problems for the best.
Nevertheless the winter itself will take a terrible toll of the poorly equipped Russian conscripts.
It will be a dreadful slaughter. The Ukrainians have defence in depth, multiple prepared defensive lines…..
All of this still going on in 2023. Beyond belief……
Okay Kevin Keev. Are you related to Baghdad Bob?
If you have no contribution to make, why bother commenting?
Since I get all my information from Russia, maybe Moscow Mike?
‘In general, my position on the operation, which is being carried out by the Russian military command in the Donbas, is quite well known and is defined by the words: “It is yet to be done.” All over the world, it has long been customary to bypass defense nodes, to force the enemy to leave them without a fight. And we decided to act according to the patterns of the First World War, and in its worst versions.’
Girkin
Thanks.
On the point about winter, it’s been rather mild over there thus far, and besides a few excited reports of Russians freezing, I haven’t seen much credible evidence that’s happened to any great degree, although it might have done and we’d be unlikely to find out about it. However, if it starts to get really cold now, that might benefit the Russians with their expected late-Feb (rumours are 24th Feb) offensive, since it’d make it easier to move vehicles around, whereas at present it still seems quite muddy in a lot of places. On the other hand, cold troops are much harder to motivate and tend to be slower, so it’s swings and roundabouts. And I guess we’ll have to wait and see whether the Russians suddenly learn how to do combined arms offensives…
Indeed. By the way isn’t end of Feb. the likely in service date of those new tanks the Ukrainians are getting…….
I heard late March, but much longer for Abrams (due to having to remove the layer of depleted uranium armour for export). However, I’m not at all bullish about the likely impact of the small number of Western tanks being supplied at this point. Nevertheless, once the very complicated logistics train and ancillary pieces of equipment are in place, and if the numbers can then be increased, then (along with combat aircraft) that could eventually be a game-changer – but this drip, drip, drip is very frustrating. The problem is the inability of some European politicians to recognise those systems are really only there to defend against Russia – there simply is no land border with any other properly hostile state – and so why not send them to Ukraine, while re-equipping with more modern stuff? Many of those systems have been effectively mothballed anyway. There’s no cheaper way, in terms of value for money of knocking out (for some period) this major adversary without the loss of a single EU soldier’s life, and getting things over with quickly is the surest way to avoid any possible escalation.
Completely agree. Could be just simple vacillation, the likeliest reason, given the calibre of Western leaders…..
Are you alleging that somehow the Russian army is unable to cope with a bit of cold weather.
Thanks for providing a helpful alternative perspective, Ian Rons!
I take it you are invoking irony ?
No, not at all because (1) it’s always useful to get someone arguing an alternative case whether one agrees with it or not and (2) on this issue as it happens I think Rons is probably mostly right.
This article is utter fictional projection.
Why have the dailysceptic given it house room or is just to windup the awake as the woke lap (verifiable) tripe like this up from the MSM all the time.
How do you know it’s fictional?
He’s guessing, obviously. But so are you.
He might fluke it and get it right.
Here’s my guess: the Ukrainian (iI.e. US) and Russian high commands struggle to get good information about what is going on, are constantly reassessing their tactics, their strategy and their expectations and have high degrees of uncertainty regarding the outcome.
And that’s with better information than Ian Rons has.
Let’s grant him that he writes with great confidence as if he really knew what was going on.
You might be surprised that I pretty much agree with you on that. It is very difficult to write about this stuff when so much is coming from secondary sources, and given that a lot of this is held quite secret by the various governments – and especially with so much confusion and propaganda about. I’m also not a subject-matter expert when it comes to warfare, so there’s always a fear at the back of my head that I might have got something badly wrong – which is why I try to check stuff, and get multiple sources if at all possible, and listen to those who are experts (RUSI, IISS, etc.). As to the overall outcome, obviously a lot could depend on choices made by the various senior commanders on both sides, so there is uncertainty. But based on what I’m seeing, I’m betting on Ukraine; however, DS readers are clearly capable of forming their own independent opinions.
According to the mainstream media, Ukraine has been on the brink of winning this war since, well, the day it started. Twelve months is a long time to be “on the brink”. It’s more likely there will be no military victory on either side, particularly as the West has declared itself to be at war with Russia at the cost of Ukrainian lives. At some point, as in most protracted and unwinnable conflicts, there will be a ceasefire and some sort of sanity will return. Unfortunately, by then, Ukraine will be largely a wasteland, the West will be out of weapons, credibility, and friends. A huge amount of blood will have been spilled for little gain. Let’s hope it doesn’t go nuclear, in which case we’ll all be paying with our lives
Stomach churning stuff.
Meanwhile, in the real world, rather then seek avenues for peace, the cheerleaders of the most corrupt European regime in Europe, edge us ever closer to nuclear conflict.
But, you know, ‘Slava Ukraini’ and all that shit.
Exactly. What I find desperately sad about this article is that it is clearly a puff piece in favour of war and killing on a massive scale. It reads almost like a commentary on a football match and I have zero interest in football. I do not know enough to come out definitively for one side or other but I do know that the USA is stoking this war for all it’s worth and the bastards in Westminster have their fingers deep in the pie. The UK is turning by the day into a dystopian hell hole and DS is running a book on who will win the war between Russia and Ukraine. The UK and its people are being pillaged on a daily basis – wholly manufactured inflation rises, contrived but almost forced unemployment, collapsing health services and so on and what say do we have in the matter? How about a quick referendum on whether we should continue to throw billions in to the Ukrainian pit and at the same time throw billions at illegal immigrants. Fancy putting it to a vote Fishy? Ukraine, a crummy, mafia controlled prison state with a baby-faced Rambo in charge, murdering internal… Read more »
As usual another pro-Ukraine piece MSM-aligned piece from Ian Rons. Ian I don’t know where you get your information from but it is seriously at odds with information I am given by people with families who live there and those that have been forced to leave.
I am not a supporter of Russian politics per se but loath with a vengeance our corrupt political elite who continue to drag us into this abomination and pledge our tax revenue to continue to kill those over there with whom we have no quarrel. And those who are too stupid to see past the MSM disinformation and propaganda.
Stick to IT Ian; something you do know about.
He gets his information from the Russians:
‘Interesting description of Ukrainian tactics by a Russian page Svidetely Bayraktara. They call it “isolation of combat zone”, briefly, this involves reconnaissance with drones, then striking movement routes thus chaining the enemy and inflicting fear, forcing them to abandon positions’
‘Aleksandr Khodahovsky, commander of the Vostok battalion, shares some insights into the Ukrainian defence at Vuhledar, saying yesterday the Ukrainian ranks are saturated with fresh forces. And today, according to him, Russian advances have no fear impact on the defenders.’
Are you seriously claiming that Khodahovsy has an up-to-the minute understanding of the Ukrainian troops’ level of confidence?
It seems to be at odds with the numerous reports from captured Ukrainian soldiers who talk about poor training, poor food, frostbite, lack of ammunition, and complete abandonment by their officers.
But then I am sure you will say they reports from the Russian side.
Oh, the irony!
Yes, frostbite must be really bad in temperatures of +1 C.
Who to believe: a Russian Commander on the ground, or some random poster on the internet?
Tricky…….or not really……
Is that photo of Z in the trench real or deepfake? We know they have a state-of-the-art green screen in Kiev donated by some US big tech company.
This article is not an argument. It is a string of assertions that may or may not be true. It would be better to focus on the appalling failure of diplomacy that led to this war, and to dig deep into the motivations of the West and the Russians. Ukraine itself seems to have been a hotbed of money laundering and trafficking, which also needs more light cast on it.
https://www.naturalnews.com/2023-02-01-russia-preparing-200000-troops-new-attack-ukraine.html
A different perspective.
The German estimates of the combined losses of the battle of the Somme is 1,250,000 soldiers. The same year also saw huge German and French losses at Verdun and the central powers (Germany, Austria-Hungary, Bulgary and Turkey) also conquered Romania which had fielded an army of 563,000 against them.
If NaturalNews calls 200,000 soldiers a MASSIVE attack, they must be pretty clueless.
Two critical remarks:
Mission command tactics are so seriously modern that the started to be employed by the Prussians in the middle of the 19th century (Auftragstaktik) and were a central part of the military doctrine of the German Empire (as opposed to its opponents in the first world war who relied on human wave attacks until at least 1917).
Manpower is indeed the a critical requirement not because an infinite number of soldiers can be stuffed into the front line (although the human wave tactics the Russians are — according to the article — still employing use up huge numbers of people) but because it enables replacement of losses. The German got themselves in dire straits with their tactically successful beyond imagination 1918 offensives in the west because by late summer, that had largely burnt through their people reserves and thus, the field strength of the German army kept shrinking.
OTOH, that the Russians have a huge supply of prospective cannon-fodder didn’t keep them from being soundly beaten in world war one and they didn’t do terribly well in the second world war either, despite the mad attempt of conquering an unlimited amount of steppe by the Germans.
You do make a terrific armchair soldier. There could be a medal in this.
A profoundly stupid remark. I have some interest in (mostly German) history and hence, do quite a bit of reading on certain historical topics. That makes me someone who knows certain things. I don’t think it makes me anything else, although I’m still sort-of of fighting age.
Mission command tactics are so seriously modern that the started to be employed by the Prussians […] Yes, I’m aware of that, but it’s become NATO doctrine, and Ukraine has been trained in that as the modern and correct way of doing things – something diametrically opposed to Soviet doctrine. So I suppose I meant “modern” in the sense of it still being novel in some parts of the world. Manpower is indeed the a critical requirement not because an infinite number of soldiers can be stuffed into the front line […] but because it enables replacement of losses. OK, you’re talking about reserves (as you later make explicit), and sure, that’s a fair point. However, what I was trying to do was counter the notion that I think has entered a lot of people’s heads, which is that a weight of available men provides, in itself, the ability to launch effective offensive manouevres in a 21stC war (it didn’t even really work for the Persians). A lot of headlines and stories talk about numbers of Russians being mobilised, but as you’re aware that’s very much not the whole picture. In both cases, while I accept what you’re saying, I… Read more »
Fwiw, I think Eugyppius was commenting on this article more in the light of even the always pro USA Springer press (they were the only ones supportive of the Iraq war btw) recognizing the RAND report and its indication of a shift in Western assessment and ultimately support.
And today, we have CATO staying that the invasion was NOT unprovoked.
I deduct more than 50% from either side’s propaganda, including Schiltz’ and Rons’, anyway.
I am not suprised anymore but still more disappointed that the modern West has again sunk to such propaganda lows. The relative soberness and competence of the Russian officials compared to our incompetent hysterics, and the obvious absurdities we are being served daily since the start, make me much more sceptical about our already 50%+ deducted account than about the Russian 50%+ deducted ones.
But hey, continue to read the Telegraph if you want to feel better. For it, since April, the Ukies will be standing in front of Moscow next week and/as the Russians have run out of ammunition.
Sorry, my money’s on Putin.
Anyone who thinks a country with a pedigree like Russia’s will back down over this is an idiot bereft of relevant historical knowledge. Circa 25 million souls winning WW2 anyone?
And as an added bonus to Russian morale – German tanks rolling across the Steppe again….
The tragedy is that that hundreds of thousands have died and will continue to die until the US orders the proxy war to end,.ie when there is no future prospect of ties between Europe/Germany and Russia.
Not even collateral damage for the US.
Just more deaths added to the total in order to serve the interests of America.
I’m looking forward to Ian Ron’s article on why Ukraine might still win the war, after they’ve surrendered, and their Western sponsors are washing their hands of the whole episode and pretending they had nothing to do with it.
I continue to be amazed to which degree people who claim to have a sceptical viewpoint regarding officially propagated stories and news believe absolutely everything, even the most absurd claims, when it just comes from Russian official sources because it usually comes with a healthy does of anti-americanism (in the broader sense). Putin started this war as war of conquest. He can end it at any time simply by withdrawing the Russian troops. Or rather, a more practical perspective, negotiate about a ceasefire with Ukraine so that a withdrawal can be accomplished. That the current US government (and its satellites) happen to support one party in this conflict doesn’t mean everybody who doesn’t particularly like the current US government (me sort of, although I don’t really care about domestic affairs of the USA) or the current geopolitical situation in Europe (largely an agglomeration of better toy states existing solely at the discretion of the USA, that’s something I’m certainly opposed to) has to support the other side. A Russian hegemony in central and eastern Europe was once erected (with generous quantities of US/ British financial and material support). It’s gone for good and that’s how things shall remain. The still… Read more »
By any analysis, including from the military in the West, their stockpiles of ammunition are becoming seriously depleted and Western production is not in any position to manufacture more stocks in the short and possibly medium term. They are currently scraping round for stocks from anywhere they can find, and of course once those are gone then that’s it for a year at least.
The claim that Russia has fewer friends is quite frankly laughable. Their friends actually manufacture their own ammunition – recall the howls about North Korea and Iran supplying munitions (I think the N Korea claim still awaits proof, incidentally, although no-one denies they manufacture large quantities for their own use). China is not a particularly insignificant friend either.
But all of this ignores the fact that Russia has ramped up its manufacturing capabilities and even Western experts concede that Russian firepower outperforms Ukraine’s by a factor of about 10 to 1.
Zelenski has banned and jailed some 11 parties (including the top opposition party). He is a comedian not a politician (yes, i know). His is not even elected. His country is not a democracy. Supplying weapons has never contributed to peace. The same guys that ran the pandemic are running the show with this war. Chevron, Shell, Exxon, Raytheon et al have doubled their net gains and posted record profits. Just like Pfizer and Moderna. The US LNG is sold 10x the price of the Russian gas. Man, i could write for ages.
In a war of attrition the much larger – demographically and economically – country wins.
So far, there has been one war of attrition, namely the western campaign by England and France which together rule most part of the world by that time, against Germany in the first world war. Both the Entente supply of manpower and material vastly outnumbered the German side and the English sea blockade additionally cut Germany of from international trade (and caused severe famine throughout much of central Europe). Additionally, in 1918, active troops of the USA started to join the war in numbers. Yet, the best this numerically mighty force managed to accomplish was to keep pressing the Germans back after these had overextended themselves in a last ditch attempt to force a military solution which had also depleted their stock of replacements (Ersatz) for temporarily or permanently incapitated soldiers. The war was ultimatively decided by a coup architected by the USPD (independent social democrats) which cut the spupply lines of the field army and thus, rendered it incapable of further action.
The “much larger” Russian empire had already capitulated a year earlier.
Massed armour under Rawlinson stuffed the Germans at Amiens. They have been pretending it didn’t happen ever since.
‘2. The conditions which obtain on this front at the present time are extremely favourable…..
e. The open nature of the country which renders it particularly favourable for an operation with tanks.’
Rawlinson ‘proposals for an offensive’ 17 July 1918
‘The German official history of the battle, written after the war, commented that “as the sun set… on the battlefield the greatest defeat which the German Army had suffered since the beginning of the war was an accomplished fact”. Similarly, General Erich Ludendorff, who, alongside Paul von Hindenburg, exercised supreme command over their armies, wrote that “August 8th was the black day of the German army in the history of the war… Our war machine was no longer efficient”.’
History Extra
688 allied armoured fighting vehicles were deployed at Amiens, to which the Germans had no real answer. That is why they set such store by their ‘panzers’ in reconstituting the ‘Wehrmacht’ prior to WW2.
Is the Chunt writing this drivel nuts ! Ukraine could never win against Russia ! It’s only holding on due to Biden , Germany & Bunter throwing them the kitchen sink !! Go on Vlad put us sorry sacks of Sh1t out of our self inflicted misery !
Rons writes with barely disguised glee that man power is no issue in this war, just as hundreds of Ukrainians get pulverised daily in the Russian artillery meat grinder.
This is a war of attrition and one of Russia’s objectives is demilitarisation. Demilitarisation is exactly what is happening.
I can’t help feeling that this whole article is predicated on the assumption that the aim of NATO is for Ukraine to win.
From the evidence so far, the aim is actually to help the Ukrainians only just enough to prolong the war. The aim being to cause as much damage to the Russian military as possible.
I do not believe that Western politicians care very much about Ukraine. They simply want to damage the old enemy, Russia.
“Slava Ukraini” just means hurt the Russians, and never mind how many Ukrainians die in the process.
This assumes that there is any coherent strategy at all.
You may very well be correct, but, given what we know about Western ‘leaders’, it is not a view that I share.
This is what is really happening: Intercepted phone call: ‘A Russian woman tells her “defender” son about the union of mothers, where all mothers grieve over the losses of their sons, and try to achieve justice with the Russian authorities.’ Intercepted phone call: Panicked Russian soldier tells his commander he lost comms with the very front line and is planning to retreat without an order, dumping his equipment and walking home. Intercepted phone call: Military serviceman of the 27th Motorised Rifle Brigade talks about the losses and panic of the newly arrived mobiks. The brother claims that the new wave of mobiks who trained for 2 months all became drunks. Intercepted phone call: Russian soldier tells his friend how Syria became a “cemetery for generals”, that is, high-ranking officers go there to serve in lower-ranking positions just to not go to Ukraine. Murz believes holding Bakhmut and grinding down both Wagner and “L/DPR” mobiks basically buys time for Ukrainians who will eventually counterattack causing the same shock as the Kherson/Kharkiv offensives.: ‘…holding of Artemovsk for the Armed Forces of Ukraine is an operation comparable to Volnovakho and Mariupol in terms of the effectiveness of destruction of our personnel, the latter… Read more »