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Mogwai
3 years ago

An interesting topic which we all have varied opinions on; depopulation. More to the point, is it an agenda or is it happening by chance?

Igor’s latest looks closer at this subject using the current available evidence;

https://igorchudov.substack.com/p/is-depopulation-we-are-seeing-planned

Mogwai
3 years ago
Reply to  Mogwai
The Dogman
The Dogman
3 years ago
Reply to  Mogwai

The thing that nobody supporting the deliberate release theory has been able to explain, at least that I have seen, is how the perpetrators would know that they personally were going to be safe from the virus. As it turned out, SARS-CoV-2 was only really dangerous for the very elderly and those who were very ill, but how did they know that would be the case? Did they test it on people? If so, how, and how did they keep that secret? Even if we think that these people are completely amoral, they must have some self-interest surely?

Nearhorburian
Nearhorburian
3 years ago
Reply to  Mogwai

It isn’t depopulation, it’s white depopulation.

huxleypiggles
3 years ago
Reply to  Nearhorburian

The African nations are next – see the article I linked to a couple of days ago.

transmissionofflame
3 years ago
Reply to  Nearhorburian

Well, the depopulation thing seems a bit far-fetched to me though God knows life has become pretty far-fetched.
What I would say is that European civilisation is committing slow suicide due to laziness, cowardice and being too well-fed, aided and abetted by evil figures who like to divide and conquer for their own purposes. Sad.

huxleypiggles
3 years ago

https://fusion4freedom.com/the-club-of-rome-and-beyond-how-the-socialist-religion-of-environmentalism-was-born/

This article will explain the origins of the depopulation programme.

(I have posted similar previously).

transmissionofflame
3 years ago
Reply to  huxleypiggles

Thanks. I wasn’t aware of the Club of Rome. Interesting that they were denounced by among others Thomas Sowell, who I have a lot of time for. Evil lot. I don’t doubt these bastards are everywhere and wish us no good whatsoever, just not sure they would have planned covid or designed vaxxes to kill us all, but they have certainly seized the moment.
Still think covid was GOF research leaked deliberately or accidentally and the reaction was part cover up and part pandemic exercise pushed for by US biosecurity deep state.

huxleypiggles
3 years ago

Myself, Mogs and Aethelred to name just three will soon convince you of our case tof. Sadly.

transmissionofflame
3 years ago
Reply to  huxleypiggles

I’m a hard man to convince

I certainly agree things are going in a terribly wrong direction with help from evil people, but tend to think these things go in cycles. I like to think our animal instincts and the human spirit will prevail, but I am very worried about the phenomenal ability to control people that is offered by technology.

Free Lemming
3 years ago

I believe controlled depopulation is the end game. Whether these ‘vaccines’ were intended to be a direct contributor, I’m not sure. I do have a theory on this, which I’ve shared before. Anyway, they are, I believe, an integral part of the long term goal. The mistake I believe we’re making is thinking these people will be thinking in the now, not the then. They will always be one step ahead of the game because they are controlling the game. We need to see this as much as a chess game as a war. I do fear we’ve fell for the Queen’s Gambit.

The Dogman
The Dogman
3 years ago
Reply to  Mogwai

I have a lot of time for Igor but I am not sure I agree with his final implication that the chain of coincidences is too suspicious to be true. If we accept what seems to be the most plausible source of the virus—accidental release of a virus made as part of a gain of function programme—then we only have to account for the fact that the injections are causing some depopulation. That could be deliberate, but equally it could just be another side effect of a highly dubious product rushed to market. The bit that doesn’t add up to a deliberate programme for me is that the products were targeted at developed countries where, if anything, the problem is population decline. Of course, this doesn’t prove that depopulation isn’t deliberate – it is somewhat suspicious that the injections seem to be causing excess mortality and reduced fertility, but it does count against the theory I feel.

Mogwai
3 years ago
Reply to  The Dogman

Yes it’s not the virus that’s responsible for depopulation, in my opinion, it’s the gene therapies. The virus itself, obviously of lab origin due to the copious amount of evidence, would never have been worse than a bad flu at the outset, and only hit those that were elderly and frail or had comorbidities, such as obesity. But the reason countless lives were lost is because early treatment was suppressed and denied to the vulnerable, and we know this was orchestrated due to most of the world’s countries doing the same thing at the same time. We know the jabs are responsible for excess mortality and there’s low low birth rates and reproductive issues being recorded all over the place too. This theory will be debunked if both all-cause excess mortality and birth rates go back to normal levels in the coming months, say, by half-way through 2023 for example. It’s one of those watch and wait type scenarios. So I do believe depopulation is happening due to these two factors and I have to accept that it is intentional if things don’t normalize in the near future, plus the fact these toxic shots are still on the market and… Read more »

The Dogman
The Dogman
3 years ago
Reply to  Mogwai

Yes, I agree that we will have a better idea in a few months. However, all the things you mention are also explained by the profit motive and additionally, perhaps, by a desire to eliminte the control group. I think the article written by Richard Horton, reproduced by Steve Kirsh, editor of the Lancet is instructive. Horton wrote an article seven years ago basically saying you can’t trust any evidence from pharma and yet he came away from hearing Dr Malhotra speak shaking his head at all these crazy conspiracy theorists. What are we to make of that? In my view, the only answer that fits the evidence is that Horton is so caught up in the ‘vaccines are good’ narrative that he just can’t accept that these therapies might not be. If you listen to Dr Malhotra’s interviews, that is basically where he started and it was only really the death of his father that made him start to question the narrative. Unless close relatives of all these people begin to depart this veil of tears in greater numbers, I fear nothing will change.

Mogwai
3 years ago
Reply to  The Dogman

But saying it’s all about profit is too simplistic. That wouldn’t explain why the jabs are still on the market or why more vaccines are destined to be changed over to mRNA in the future, knowing the established safety profile is dire. If profit were a driver then they could have made all placebos, no harmful spike to contend with, but all of the jab manufacturers chose the spike protein specifically, which seems very suss.. The flu vax works basically like a placebo, as in, you may as well get a shot of saline as you’re no better off in being protected from flu due to the actual vaccine being rubbish. A saline shot would have allowed all of the credit to go to Big Pharma, ensured profit when actual natural immunity was the real cause for celebration, but without the extraordinary amount of adverse effects reported. But DARPA have been putting these things together for many years now. It’s an experiment which involves killing off a good chunk of the global population over the course of several years, stopping many from procreating, and now we have the continued threat of more and more scamdemics in the pipeline and the… Read more »

The Dogman
The Dogman
3 years ago
Reply to  Mogwai

If you want to know why placebos were used instead of the active drugs, then another alternative is that pharma actually believes in its product. Just look at the implications of what you are saying – do you think that 99% of parliametarians are in a conspiracy to depopulate the UK? I find that very hard to swallow. Why is all the evidence being disregarded? Because, like it or not, our view is very much the minority view. Most of the population, including doctors, MPs, journalists and so on believe the narrative, just as they believed that locking us down was the way to avoid a catastrophe. Yes, there are malign forces pulling strings, but depopulation is not an inevitable conclusion for looking at the evidence, in my view. I am not pretending to have all the answers by any means, but I do feel it is risky to fall into a belief that this is all part of a plan with one end in mind.

huxleypiggles
3 years ago
Reply to  The Dogman

“Most of the population, including doctors, MPs, journalists and so on believe the narrative, just as they believed that locking us down was the way to avoid a catastrophe.”

And were most of the population correct?

Mogwai
3 years ago
Reply to  The Dogman

At the end of the day we all have our different thoughts on this topic and formulate our own interpretations when we are all seeing the same data. I too used to think it was far-fetched and unrealistic, that Yeadon was having some sort of mental breakdown when he kept banging on about it in interviews. I’m not saying I’m correct ( I hope to be proved incorrect ) but this is just the position I’ve found myself at when taking everything into consideration, including listening to various experts who are a lot more knowledgeable on these matters then I ever will be. If I could sum up my reservations in one sentence on why I’m at this position now ( aside from the death and birth data ) it’d be, the data is in on how the mRNA gene-therapies have performed in terms of efficacy and safety, so why then are they wanting to bring yet more of this gene-modifying gunk onto the market? Why would they want more proven ineffective and unsafe mRNA crap thrust upon the global population? The only sense it makes is if the motive is purely nefarious. I just don’t like the way things… Read more »

The Dogman
The Dogman
3 years ago
Reply to  Mogwai

There are so many imponderables – I am by no means 100% confident in my analysis. I share your worries and also the whole financial situation. It seems obvious that we can’t go on as we are economically but what a transition to a new financial system would look like is anybody’s guess. Apart from the fact that it won’t benefit you or me! Enjoy your biryani!

Freddy Boy
3 years ago
Reply to  Mogwai

On the stove or in your stomach 😉

Freddy Boy
3 years ago
Reply to  The Dogman

Andrew Bridgen MP ! Catch him on the Delingpod .

huxleypiggles
3 years ago
Reply to  Mogwai

Absolutely top class Mogs.

SEERS-25 is due for release in 2025 which will be a virus based on polio and targeted at the youngsters. The Plandemic Preparedness Treaty I expect will be signed off late 2024 or early 2025. Billy ran his infamous table-top exercise October 2022 with most of the major African nations in attendance. The Africans haven’t taken the message on board as only 6% of African populations have been treated to Billy’s special brews, so it was brown envelopes all round.

2025 is when the real killing will start.

Mogwai
3 years ago
Reply to  huxleypiggles

Thanks hux. There’s apparently rumours that they’ll release something, according to the lawyer somebody Renz, but I didn’t watch the video as it’s the highly irritating Alex Jones. He said he doesn’t have evidence though but he said it’d coincide with the treaty being passed. Who knows? It’s best to deal only with the facts at hand as there’s only so many things a person can be expected to worry about, lol! I’ve got my experts that I follow and people who can be trusted to interpret the data accurately so I try and stay away from the rumour mill. I just think when you take a bird’s eye view of things all of it appears to be related as opposed to several random events happening at once that we’re meant to believe is pure chance. The elites all move in the same circles so in my opinion everything is planned and orchestrated. I wouldn’t put anything passed the psychopaths. If there were real justice Fauci would have been banged up long ago and Alex Bellfied never would have been sent down. Clown World logic for you..

huxleypiggles
3 years ago
Reply to  Mogwai

Now that Mogs is a faultless and comprehensive summary and has been my position for many months as you know.

Freddy Boy
3 years ago
Reply to  huxleypiggles

Ditto 👍

Free Lemming
3 years ago

Pity you’ve got to subscribe to read the Spectator article, it sounds interesting. No other way to get it?

~Console
~Console
3 years ago
Reply to  Free Lemming

I am nothing to do with this site, but registered let people know about. I heard about in the comments on this site some time ago,

https://12ft.io/

Free Lemming
3 years ago
Reply to  ~Console

Thanks. Worked a treat. Article was a bit disappointing though!

JayBee
3 years ago

And because of being free at the PoU and single payer funded, the NHS does or can do without any of the people and cost of the public German health insurance system, which is solely occupied with raising and distributing the money.
These are 133.000 people, costing 12bln each year.
So, if you prefer to abolish free at PoU and switch to that system, you better find that extra money too.
https://www.bundesgesundheitsministerium.de/themen/krankenversicherung/zahlen-und-fakten-zur-krankenversicherung/kennzahlen-daten-bekanntmachungen.html

In total, the German health system now employs 5.8mln people, the full-time equivalent is 4.2mln.
https://www.bpb.de/kurz-knapp/zahlen-und-fakten/soziale-situation-in-deutschland/61807/beschaeftigte-im-gesundheitswesen/

Chris P
Chris P
3 years ago

The latest EuroMOMO data are dire: –

‘This week’s overall pooled EuroMOMO estimates of all-cause mortality for the participating European countries show elevated level of excess mortality. Furthermore, there is a substantial increase in excess mortality among persons aged 45 years and older.’

All in a supposedly ‘post-pandemic’ period when deaths should be lower than expected.

Mogwai
3 years ago
Reply to  Chris P

I wonder how long this increased all-cause mortality is going to go on for and if the low birth rates will continue alongside it. It surely can’t carry on indefinitely. Even if there’s less take-up of the jabs I’m wondering if sufficient damage has been done. 2023 will be an interesting year to observe what the various countries are doing re these areas.

Freddy Boy
3 years ago
Reply to  Mogwai

Low birth rate !! Let me guess which branches of our species will be affected the most & which ones will grow in numbers aided by TPTB , need to keep the rafts full !..

Freddy Boy
3 years ago
Reply to  huxleypiggles

This is off the scale & to think how twisted they all got over Simmy Javile !!..

huxleypiggles
3 years ago

https://www.technocracy.news/day-9-technocracy-and-smart-cities/

Have a read and then comment that Oxford isn’t a trial run.

Freddy Boy
3 years ago
Reply to  huxleypiggles

Of course it is !!!…

huxleypiggles
3 years ago

https://www.globalresearch.ca/how-blackrock-larry-fink-created-global-energy-crisis/5799286

The detail in this article is seriously disturbing. The fossil fuel industry is screwed, which means most of us are.

Freddy Boy
3 years ago
Reply to  huxleypiggles

I thought there was lots of gas , coal & oil !!

huxleypiggles
3 years ago

https://www.globalresearch.ca/bill-gates-plans-new-catastrophic-contagion/5802719

This is from Dr Mercola’s website but details Billy’s SEERS-25 plans.

Freddy Boy
3 years ago
Reply to  huxleypiggles

Saw this last week ! They are Carrying on Regardless !

ellie-em
3 years ago

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/confessions-of-a-conspiracy-theorist/

Wish them all the best and seasons greetings, then proffer a two fingered salute. I’m past caring about the nitwits and their ongoing allegiance to the ‘narrative’ they’ve bought into.