Are We Heading Toward Nuclear War?
Since the very start of Russia’s invasion, the risk of nuclear war has been somewhat elevated. In his February 24th speech, Putin not-so-subtly stated that “Russia remains one of the most powerful nuclear states”, and that “any potential aggressor will face defeat and ominous consequences should it directly attack our country”.
Three days later, Putin ordered his military to put Russia’s nuclear forces on “high alert” – another obvious attempt to deter the West from intervening too forcefully on Ukraine’s side.
The risk of nuclear war cooled slightly when Biden ruled-out a ‘no fly zone’ over Ukraine (which would have entailed a direct confrontation between NATO and Russia). Yet recent events have heightened the risk once again.
In an interview on October 6th, Zelensky said, “We need preventive strikes, so that they’ll know what will happen to them if they use nukes.” This comment was described by the Kremlin as “nothing less than a call to start a world war”. Twenty minutes later, Zelensky’s spokesman clarified that his boss had merely been referring to “preventive sanctions”.
In a speech that same day, Biden said, “We have not faced the prospect of Armageddon since Kennedy and the Cuban Missile Crisis.” The New York Times characterised his comments as “highly unusual for any American president”.
Then on October 8th, there was a large explosion on the Kerch bridge between Crimea and Russia, which caused part of the roadway to collapse. Sources in the Ukrainian Government told Ukrainska Pravda and the Washington Post that Ukraine’s security services were responsible.
This morning, the Russians retaliated by attacking infrastructure and government buildings in several Ukrainian cities. A Western response – in the form of additional sanctions or more advanced weapons – seems likely.
Could the escalatory spiral continue to the point where Russia uses nuclear weapons? In a recent article, the physicist and ‘existential risk expert’ Max Tegmark argues that it could.
His reasoning is laid out in the chart below, which shows different possible outcomes of the war. The x-axis represents the level of escalation; the y-axis how favourable the corresponding outcome would be to Russia.

Tegmark makes the following assumptions. There’s a 30% chance that Russia will use a tactical nuke. If it does, there’s a 70% chance the West will launch a conventional (i.e., non-nuclear) response, such as destroying the Black Sea Fleet. And if that happens, there’s an 80% chance of World War 3. Multiplying these numbers together, you get 1 in 6.
While Tegmark’s article is worth reading in full, I don’t think the chance of Russia using a tactical nuke is as high as 30%. The Metaculus prediction market says the chance is 7%, while Manifold Markets gives 19%. Both these figures are lower than Tegmark’s.
Crucially, however, they’re not that much lower.
Tegmark’s numbers may be too pessimistic, but his framing of the problem seems right. Our priority must be to stay on the left-hand side of the chart. If Russia won’t accept defeat and no peace deal can be negotiated, a Korea-style frozen conflict is probably the best-case scenario.
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Here we go again with another NC article speculating over imponderables yet writing like he knows the mind of Putin. Putting percentages on this is a category mistake. A pointless slightly conceited exercise. Slightly conceited because a percentage is utterly unverifiable, – so pointless – yet presented as though some scientific insight is provided. It is akin to putting your own hand on top of your head and announcing to the world “I’m this tall” thinking you are conveying useful information.
Now we all like to do a bit of speculation every now and then, but this is getting to be every article!
IMO it is better to concentrate on the factors we have control over than worry about those we don’t. If you have no control, worry is pointless. Planning and prep are not, but worry is. Worry is a dividend paid to the devil before it is due.
Hear, hear.
Using terms like “likely”, “very likely” or “almost certain” is implicitly “putting percentages” on things. It’s entirely valid to quibble with the percentages, but using them isn’t a category mistake.
You appear to think that pretending to quantify a qualitative issue by using a quantitative format produces a valid analysis, it doesn’t.
It’s still garbage in, garbage out.
Hmmm. I don’t think trying to consider the likelihood of something happening to be at all ‘pointless’ or ‘conceited’. Isn’t that just part of planning? Let’s take the ‘vaccines’ as an example: we all got here (well, the vast majority anyway) because we made a decision based on a risk-benefit assessment. That assessment was based on likelihoods i.e. how likely did the risk of harm outweigh the benefits? That likelihood can be defined using percentages – difficult, but we all did a rough calculation in our minds that would have fell into a % band.
Whether I believe the % risk of nuclear war is correct or not is largely immaterial. What’s important is that everyone should consider the likelihood. If nobody considers the possibilities, we probably end up in a post-apocalyptic world where the ones left scratch their heads about why nobody considered the possibilities of outcomes.
But those of us of a certain age have grown up with this stuff. We watched scratchy black-and-white public information films about what to do given the 4-minute warning (spoiler alert: not much!)
What else can ‘they’ throw at us? It’s almost a relief to think of nuclear apocalypse because hopefully that would be the end of the tailspin the world is in currently.
I think this comes under the ‘unthinkable’ category, simply because there’s nothing ordinary people can do about it or to prepare for it, and why would you want to?
Dark, but I get where you’re coming from. I don’t, however, agree that’s there’s nothing”ordinary people can do about it…”. The masses have forgot, perhaps never really understood, where the real power lies and that’s with the people. The people just need to realise it and exercise their free will. Even in the submissive society we now childishly accept, the more people that understand nuclear oblivion is a very real thing, the more people who will oppose the war. The more people that oppose the war, the more pressure that’s put on governments to stop the war.
As to “why would you want to?”, well, with all due respect, it sounds like you’ve already reached a certain age – my children and my grandchildren have not.
I agree we do have the power unfortunately most of the plebs don’t realise that fact.
Ok – I’m listening.
Remember all those crowds objecting to the (limited) war Blair and Bush went on to inflict? That was before the censorship machine properly got going, but nowadays by the time enough flaws in the story have alerted Joe public to question the narrative, someone could have triggered The Big One or (more likely) inflicted ‘warning’ damage on an opponent’s nuclear installation.
I’ve also got children and grandchildren but they are even more fatalistic than me -the family nutcase.
If you ever think that anyone can ever predict how a “proper war” ie when one side feels a threat to its very existence, will progress – then you are an idiot.
We are now in a situation whereby Russia feels it is fighting for its very Life.
Just remember who won W.W. 2.
Clue.
It wasn’t Hollywood.
We seem to be casually discussing the use of tactical nuclear weapons, including the author sad to say.
Jesus Christ. Just remember which country is the largest in the world.
Possibly more frightening than Clown World’s reaction to covid.
We are now in a situation whereby Russia feels it is fighting for its very Life. Putin didn’t become (and stay) president of Russia by being the kind of moron Mearsheimer tries to impress with his pro-russian fear mongering. Russia is fighting a peripheral war to extend and stabilize its control of some more Ukrainian territory. Even if Putin’s troops were driven out completely, no direct thread to Russia would result because of this and there’s always the option to retry this at some point in time in the future, eg, after US elections have caused a change towards a government more sympathetic to Russian hegemony in eastern Europe. After all, that’s a project which only ever became reality due to the dedicated financial and material support of the USA and there are still loud voices calling for a return to this ‘natural’ order of things. In contrast to this, a global nuclear war will result in the destruction of Russia and an end to all future chances. Putin has nothing to gain from dying in the knowledge that nobody else survived him for long. War isn’t out of control violence for the purpose of maximum destruction and carnage. It’s… Read more »
I agree, unless the Urkrainian army starts marching into Russian territory (and I do not count the ‘breakaway republics’ or Crimea as Russian) then it cannot be said that Russia faces an existential threat. At worst they lose territory they have illegally annexed.
I understood that Crimea was Russian until Khrushchev popped it into Ukraine sometime in the 1950s.
It was!
Won’t the thousands of people who voted to join Russia be pleased that you dismiss them so callously and easily? Who cares if you don’t recognise their right to self-determination, peace and sovereignty…?
Unless you are a V.I.P we should know about?
When most people talk about nuclear war they seem to automatically assume it means mutually assured destruction and ignore the possibility of limited nuclear strikes against military targets where both sides resist the temptation to escalate to striking major cities. I’m suprised that Noah Carl hasn’t questioned who was behind the attack on the Kerch bridge the way he questioned who was behind the Nordstream attacks. Just because a couple of MSM outlets claim to have information from unnamed sources in the Ukrainian military doesn’t mean they did it. It seems to me that the fact it happened while there was a train load of fuel on the bridge suggests that the explosion was detonated by someone who could see the bridge and knew exactly when to detonate the explosives i.e. it wasn’t a missile attack. The easiest way to approach the bridge would therefore be by submarine or some very sofisticated underwater drone which I’m not sure Ukraine possesses, unless the West supplied them without announcing it publicly. Therefore I think the Americans were involved even if it wasn’t sanctioned by Biden but is a case of someone in the Pentagon/CIA going rogue. Obviously this is just pure speculation… Read more »
Daily Mail 26th MARCH 2022…
Biden refuses to rule out first-strike use of US nuclear weapons under ‘extreme circumstances’ in dramatic reversal of his campaign vow after Putin’s invasion of Ukraine.This is around the same time he was also saying Putin should be removed from power.
We are heading towards Putin’s forces being routed and returned to sender.
The rest is up to him.
Russia is clearly winning. You sound vaccinated to me.
…and what exactly do you think the self-avowed Russian hating Gnatzis…with all the weapons we have gifted to them….would do if they marched into the Donbass?
Because if you think they’d be handing out teddy bears, I have to agree with C-1984 that something has addled your wits….
A far better and more detailed analysis of that scenario. https://www.achgut.com/artikel/wie_wahrscheinlich_ist_ein_atomkrieg_in_europa
And reg who really made threats:
https://www.achgut.com/artikel/wie_wahrscheinlich_ist_ein_atomkrieg_in_europa
There was also a piece discussing the 2 sole reasons Russia could use nukes as per its constitution in detail, I think at Lew Rockwell.
First use of a nuclear weapon will only come from the US as a consequence of their realisation of their impotence in the face of a full scale Russian offensive.
They do not have sufficient conventional armaments to sustain any extended proxy or open conflict over Ukraine and they have talked themselves into a position where they cannot stomach the idea of backing down.
So the big nuclear stick is their only option.
Never forget it was the USA who has used nukes against another country, not Russia!
I wonder how strong Putin’s hold on power will be if Russia loses in Ukraine? Replacing an obstinate, failed leader is not an unknown method of de-escalating and re-setting a country’s place in the world.
oh dear.
John Bolton in da house!
“‘existential risk expert’ Max Tegmark…”
Existential risk expert? Pull the other one.
Tegmark appears to be the Niall Ferguson of Ukraine “analysis”; plucking probabilities out of thin air and pretending that a number to one or two decimal places is somehow a valid decision making tool.
Ridiculous.
For the first time in mankind’s history. Any aggressor who throws nukes get plenty back and all leaders (Hitler?) think they are impervious. People who live in glass buildings shouldn’t throw stones. Aint gonna happen.
Yes probably. The neocons in US EU and UK have been wanting one, they may get their wish. Unfortunately for us they will be in a safe bunker but most of us won’t have that luxury.
Ah well. You’ve got to go somehow. Not sure its a world I really want to try to survive in if its run by demons in a bunker.
And they shall go into the holes of the rocks, and into the caves of the earth, for fear of the LORD, and for the glory of his majesty, when he ariseth to shake terribly the earth.
Isiah 2:19
Why use nukes when modern weapons such as the hypersonic missiles can pretty much evade detection, pack a blast punch that’s as good..and can specifically be targeted exactly where you want it?
Russia and China both have them..
Other than in reply to Western threats Putin has never mentioned the use of nuclear weapons. It’s another propaganda piece, that I think most sensible people see through.
This looks like classic clickbait content filler. A better angle might be “What ever happened to the nuclear deterrent?”
It was always argued if everyone has the big bombs then it prevented anyone using them because of mutually assured destruction. Now, we don’t seem so sure.
The best route to peace is not via the barrel of a gun. No matter who holds it.
I must say that speculative articles of this type do a disservice to the DS. Are we heading toward nuclear war? It’s the sort of headline that irritates me because Mr Carl hasn’t a clue and he writes his 500 plus words with its ridiculous diagram showing how things escalate as if it actually contributes anything to the whole story of the Ukraine War. Well, we’ve tried peace and that didn’t work so….Hang on, you’ve just missed a huge chapter right there. The peace movement – or lack of one. How about writing about that? Give us some hope at least. They say that false flag events are in the offing and that mainstream news starts talking about things that are about to happen before they happen. Maybe a dirty bomb in Ukraine to get the juices flowing and a NATO response and then a Russian one and then… You know what really irritates me though – it’s the fact that a nuclear war would be absolutely catastrophic and terrifying. It would be the end of everything and everyone. Maybe some people in New Zealand would survive and other remote outposts but most of the Northern Hemisphere would be a… Read more »