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Hugh
Hugh
3 years ago

Worth remembering that China’s WHO have already changed their definition of a pandemic, without which the “covid ‘pandemic’ ” would never have qualified.

A bit worrying if Gates and the CCP have power to define something as a “pandemic” or “health emergency” whenever it suits them.

RedhotScot
3 years ago
Reply to  Hugh

Guess what?

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Alex B
3 years ago
Reply to  RedhotScot

Monkeys; such selfish lovers.

Star
3 years ago
Reply to  RedhotScot

From the WHO: “Multi-country monkeypox outbreak in non-endemic countries“. “Because of the public health risks associated with a single case of monkeypox, clinicians should report suspected cases immediately to national or local public health authorities regardless of whether they are also exploring other potential diagnoses. Cases should be reported immediately, according to the case definitions above or nationally tailored case definitions. Probable and confirmed cases should be reported immediately to WHO through IHR National Focal Points (NFPs) under the International Health Regulations (IHR 2005).”“Surveillance for rash-like illness should be intensified (…)”“A global case reporting form is under development.” Comments 1. Anyone who has a face rash would be well advised not to look into a smartphone camera or webcam until the rash has disappeared. 2. How long until the global database that logs “probable cases” also logs each case’s social contacts? On 2), at the moment the WHO is only saying this: Considerations related to contact tracingContact tracing is a key public health measure to control the spread of infectious disease pathogens such as monkeypox virus. It allows for the interruption of transmission and can also help people at a higher risk of developing severe disease to more quickly identify… Read more »

civilliberties
3 years ago

Boris Johnson reveals No. 10 is ‘keeping an eye’ on monkeypox

translation – lockdown in 6 months,

would not surprise me if these jabs are knackering the immune system and now its getting all sorts.

Hopeless - "TN,BN"
3 years ago
Reply to  civilliberties

Skilled as he is in “monkey business”, especially in regard to simian-like copulation, Johnson is eminently qualified to “keep an eye on monkeypox”. Voyeurism in the Monkey House that is 10, Downing Street.

JXB
JXB
3 years ago

So no AdultPartygate likely, or…

TheTartanEagle
TheTartanEagle
3 years ago
Reply to  civilliberties

Aljazeera 20 May 22

“I’m stunned by this,” said Oyewale Tomori, a virologist who formerly headed the Nigerian Academy of Science and who sits on several WHO advisory boards. “Every day I wake up and there are more countries infected. This is not the kind of spread we’ve seen in West Africa, so there may be something new happening in the West.”

Go figure, as they say.

Star
3 years ago
Reply to  TheTartanEagle

Yes – the reported cases of monkeypox in multiple countries is reminiscent of what happened with reported SARSCoV2 cases. With SARSCoV2 it was as if somebody was trying to make the number of countries as large as possible, as fast as possible. Tiny territories such as San Marino and the Vatican got on the list very early on.

(Now there’s an interesting job for a keen statistician who is also a sceptic! What level of significance was reached?)

Star
3 years ago
Reply to  civilliberties

From that Daily Mail article::

MailOnline last week revealed UK health chiefs were also attempting to contain the spread by vaccinating close contacts of monkeypox cases, including NHS workers, with the Imvanex smallpox vaccine.

The strategy, known as ring vaccination, involves jabbing and monitoring anyone around an infected person to form a buffer of immune people to limit the spread of a disease.

Might the authorities make vaccination compulsory for contacts of known cases?

If that’s being planned for, then there may already be signs of it in the way monkeypox is being written about in the gay media and on the most important gay socialising sites online (where I’m sure the 77th are active, just as they are on Mumsnet etc.)

Mark
3 years ago

“Millions ‘marching to starvation’ as Putin unleashes global food catastrophe” – Vladimir Putin’s blockade of Ukrainian ports “is a declaration of war on global food security,” a top UN official has warned, as 43m people are “knocking on starvation’s door” without exports from Europe’s breadbasket, the Telegraph reports. Let’s just remind ourselves here that this assertion, that Russia is blockading merchant ships in Ukrainian ports, is an outright, intentional black propaganda lie. Russia has maintained a safe passage open for merchant ships, and it is the Ukrainians who have mined their own ports who have made it impossible for grain ships to leave: No, The Ukraine War Has Not Stoked A Global Food Crisis. Those among the anti-Russian warmongers here promoting confrontation of Russia (including the management) who are honestly just dupes who actually believe all the nonsense they’ve been told about Russia for decades in order to manipulate them into precisely the position they are in right now, of supporting a lunatic, self-destructive policy of all out confrontation, should contemplate the incontrovertible fact that this is a lie, and also how near universal it is in the US sphere mainstream media, and how many authority figures are repeating it. That’s how… Read more »

Hugh
Hugh
3 years ago
Reply to  Mark

I wonder what could have been done to reduce tensions after the events of 2014, and to prepare for the consequences of any possible escalation?

Certainly, far too little attention has been paid by the world’s media to the long-running war in the Donbass since 2014 (a war which rather gave the lie to the EU’s claim to be bringing peace to Europe in 2016). Do these Davos politicians really just assume that there won’t be any “black swan” events? Or do they even care?

Mark
3 years ago
Reply to  Hugh

I wonder what could have been done to reduce tensions after the events of 2014

It was easy, but it was impossible.

It was easy, because all that was needed was for the Ukrainian regime to treat its Russian-speaking population with basic decency, and accept reality over Crimea and NATO membership with good grace, and their whole future would have been immeasurably better, and there would have been no war.

Impossible, because it’s easy to whip up jingoistic fervour and provoke violence in a divided country, and it’s hard to resist those who do so. Outright impossible to resist them when they have the active interventionist backing of the world’s superpower and the greatest propaganda machine the world has ever seen.

Hugh
Hugh
3 years ago
Reply to  Mark

Yes. I was thinking more of what EU and NATO countries may have done to make the situation worse since 2014. Was there ever any possibility that any of them could have done other than what they did? Some Trump supporters have suggested that the current escalation would not have happened with him as president. What about other leaders and their failures relating to this situation? Obviously the EU helped stir things up in 2014? What would have been the sensible thing for EU countries and the five EU presidents to have done when it became clear that people in the Donbass would not accept what the new regime was doing after the coup? How far was this new regime encouraged (or coerced) by some of these EU and NATO countries? How bad was the situation with bio-labs in the Ukraine?

Mark
3 years ago
Reply to  Hugh

The only reason the Poroshenko and Zelensky were able to enact the policies they did was active support from the US and from the EU. All the EU and US needed to do was make clear that economic support and cooperation would be withdrawn if the policies weren’t changed, and they would have been changed.

Londo Mollari
3 years ago
Reply to  Mark

Blessed are the peacemakers, of which there are almost none at all in this corrupt old nation of ours.

I don’t go along with the Nazi Germany nuttiness of the left over flags fro the Jubilee, but I am sad that our nation has descended to such a level that it can promote a war that might end in the extinction of our species.

Emerald Fox
3 years ago
Reply to  Londo Mollari

“a war that might end in the extinction of our species.”

“I’d like to share a revelation that I’ve had during my time here. It came to me when I tried to classify your species and I realized that you’re not actually mammals. Every mammal on this planet instinctively develops a natural equilibrium with the surrounding environment but you humans do not. You move to an area and you multiply and multiply until every natural resource is consumed and the only way you can survive is to spread to another area. There is another organism on this planet that follows the same pattern. Do you know what it is? A virus. Human beings are a disease, a cancer of this planet. You’re a plague and we are the cure.”

Beowulf
Beowulf
3 years ago
Reply to  Emerald Fox

Who are you quoting, some character from The Outer Limits, The Twilight Zone or your mate, the would-be actor and barista, Korhonen?

Mark
3 years ago
Reply to  Beowulf

That’s a line from the hugely overrated film The Matrix, which took the ancient science fiction trope of “could it be we are just living in a simulation of the world?” and reworked it to impress semi-bright people around the world who hadn’t encountered it before, or who were just easily impressed. Classic US film industry.

Beowulf
Beowulf
3 years ago
Reply to  Mark

Thanks Mark.

peyrole
peyrole
3 years ago
Reply to  Emerald Fox

380 trillion viruses are estimated to live in or on the human body. Mostly symbiotically. A few more than humans on Earth. Bad analogy from an overrated movie.

Hugh
Hugh
3 years ago
Reply to  Emerald Fox

You know, you really shouldn’t have read that daft Dawkins book…

Emerald Fox
3 years ago
Reply to  Mark

Sputnik News, Russia Today, and Pravda = ‘not’ propaganda.

Star
3 years ago
Reply to  Hugh

I would say perhaps secession referendums under UN supervision. They would be insulting to Donbass residents insofar as they have already voted in legitimate referendums and the wishes of the large majority are very clear – but if such re-runs could have been promised and agreed as a condition for stopping the war at any time since 2014 then I doubt many would mind being slightly insulted in this way.

Star
3 years ago
Reply to  Star

Important developments included:

  • 1. The scission in Orthodox Christianity, which has not been resolved, a pivotal moment being the October 2018 break between the Russian Orthodox Church and the Ecumenical Patriarch of Constantinople (still viewed as “primus inter pares” by most Eastern Orthodox churches);
  • 2. The moving of Russian military forces towards the Ukrainian border and the resultant war scare in December 2018.
Alter Ego
Alter Ego
3 years ago
Reply to  Mark

Let’s just remind ourselves here that this assertion, that Russia is blockading merchant ships in Ukrainian ports, is an outright, intentional black propaganda lie.

Russia has maintained a safe passage open for merchant ships, and it is the Ukrainians who have mined their own ports who have made it impossible for grain ships to leave.

it’s a lie they keep repeating. I’ve seen lies – outright and intentional – repeated before, but nothing like what we’ve seen over the last couple of years. It’s on a scale to make Goebbels either blush or swell with pride.

And what the hell is Toby doing, with all due respect (I both respect and am grateful for his work), inviting Ian Rons to return with more of his demonstrable nonsense? Free speech for whom? Is Rons sceptical? No – he is a voice urging us not to be sceptical of official narratives that don’t even make sense on their own terms, but to swallow them: hook, line and sinker.

Do the exponents of wokery get invitations to spout their nonsense here, or are they rightly consigned to the news round-ups – which offer us both authorised versions and sceptical criticism?

Mark
3 years ago
Reply to  Alter Ego

“And what the hell is Toby doing, with all due respect (I both respect and am grateful for his work), inviting Ian Rons to return with more of his demonstrable nonsense? Free speech for whom? Is Rons sceptical? No – he is a voice urging us not to be sceptical of official narratives that don’t even make sense on their own terms, but to swallow them: hook, line and sinker. Do the exponents of wokery get invitations to spout their nonsense here, or are they rightly consigned to the news round-ups – which offer us both authorised versions and sceptical criticism?” Young and Rons are both (as far as I can tell) genuine dupes for the neocons and interventionists. Most likely because they are unable to separate today’s reality from that of the Cold War they grew up in, and the lies they’ve swallowed for decades have come from sources they can’t help but respect and trust, cloaked in seeming attitudes they can’t help but fall for (jingoism pretending to be patriotism, supposed support for liberty and democracy, robust “standing up to” supposed “bullies”, etc). That’s why they push the anti-Russia Official Truth here (which they believe in), but don’t push the… Read more »

Alter Ego
Alter Ego
3 years ago
Reply to  Mark

There is a long tradition of regarding Russians as some sort of barbarians, corrupted by their interactions with Asia and threatening “real” Europeans.

Intelligent and well-read people need to have some awareness of that and bear it in mind when they consider their reactions to certain stories. The same is true of any story we’ve been encouraged to believe as children. Reasonable adults understand the potency and try to factor it into their analyses.

I know why they push the “anti-Russia Official Truth”. I’m disappointed that they don’t apply their scepticism to it with appropriate rigour. This is a story that has immense significance. It’s not a matter of which football team you support.

huxleypiggles
3 years ago
Reply to  Alter Ego

Anybody who has not availed themselves of some Russian literature – at least – should consider their education incomplete.

Alter Ego
Alter Ego
3 years ago
Reply to  huxleypiggles

I think this was once widely understood. Something has gone very wrong in the US sphere (for want of a better term) in the last few decades: morally, culturally and intellectually.

We have stupid, vicious fights about pronouns and gender; and completely ignore huge political and economic issues before our very eyes.

Emerald Fox
3 years ago
Reply to  Alter Ego

I’ve been to the USA eight times and liked what I saw. I went to Russia once and have no desire to go back, ever. Awful – grey – dull – depressing – frightening – slums – and you don’t know if they will let you out again.

I bet most of the ‘Russian supporters’ on here have never been to Russia.

Beowulf
Beowulf
3 years ago
Reply to  Emerald Fox

So there are no slums in the USA? Or inner city gangs? No drug addicts in tent cities (San Francisco for instance)? It makes you wonder why Julian Assange is so reluctant to be extradited to that sun-drenched land of the free.

Mark
3 years ago
Reply to  Emerald Fox

Those of us who have been to both, and seen a bit of the world, know that you cannot get any honest impression of a significant country from the odd visit.

I remember travelling on the New York subway in the 1970s and being rather unimpressed, and I recall a trope a few years back showing pictures of Detroit and of third world African streets and asking people to try to say which looked worse.

And more recently:

PROUD TO BE AN AMERICAN IN PHILADELPHIA
Russia at least has the excuse of its C20th experience to justify relative poverty. The US has been, potentially or actually, the richest nation in the world since the colonists took over an entire almost unexploited continent, and the world’s most powerful state by far for half a century.

What’s their excuse?

Aelfsige
3 years ago
Reply to  Emerald Fox

Where did you go? I’ve lived in St Petersburg, Moscow, Zelenograd and Yaroslavl and visited dozens of other places while I was there.

I came back in 2004, before the economic recovery had really taken off for a lot of the country, so when I was there, most places were still in need of a long overdue lick of paint. However, Novgorod on a bright winter’s day is one the most beautiful places I have ever been.

I felt an awful lot safer in Moscow than I would feel in London. I’m sorry you had such an unpleasant time there. It really isn’t that bad. Here’s a picture of a pond just round the corner from my old flat on Skolkovskoye Shosse in Moscow. Nice, isn’t it?

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Marcus Aurelius knew
3 years ago
Reply to  huxleypiggles

And their music…

Emerald Fox
3 years ago
Reply to  Alter Ego

Now explain how ‘communists’ turn into ‘oligarchs’ by ‘being nice to others and not barbarians at all’.
A few days down a Siberian lead mine would soon change attitudes on here!

John Dee
3 years ago
Reply to  Emerald Fox

A few years living under a downtown flyover because your house was repossessed after the 2008 subprime thing wouldn’t, though?

Emerald Fox
3 years ago
Reply to  Mark

“Young and Rons are both (as far as I can tell) genuine dupes for the neocons and interventionists.”

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Jon Garvey
3 years ago
Reply to  Alter Ego

“to make Goebbels either blush or swell with pride.”

It seems that even the quote from Goebbels (“If you tell a lie often enough people will believe it’s the truth”) is falsely attributed. Goebbels preferred to base his propaganda on truths, and accused the English of “telling a big lie and sticking to it.”

Plus ça change…

Alter Ego
Alter Ego
3 years ago
Reply to  Jon Garvey

My first encounter with a primary source expressing the “big lie” theory as generally quoted was in Mein Kampf (1925), where Hitler said the following (as translated by James Murphy, who published the first English translation in 1939):   All this was inspired by the principle – which is quite true within itself – that in the big lie there is always a certain force of credibility; because the broad masses of a nation are always more easily corrupted in the deeper strata of their emotional nature than consciously or voluntarily; and thus in the primitive simplicity of their minds they more readily fall victims to the big lie than the small lie, since they themselves often tell small lies in little matters but would be ashamed to resort to large-scale falsehoods.   I thought it was a very shrewd observation – unpleasant but shrewd; and wondered (like many others) whether it was the result of discussions with the extremely shrewd Goebbels, whom he had met by then.   Like all clever propagandists, GoebbeIs used his version of the truth (factually correct, but highly selective) where it suited him.    Like all fervent ideologues, he was not above using outright falsehoods when… Read more »

John Dee
3 years ago
Reply to  Alter Ego

Your argument seems no different to those of the campus bullies deplatforming invited speakers at university meetings.
If a collection of (presumed) sceptics need protection against other people’s pronouncements, what’s the point of being a sceptic?
As per the campus activity, surely the only way forward is to engage and argue, not to protest about the inclusion of alternative views?

Mark
3 years ago
Reply to  John Dee

In fairness to AE (and many others who’ve made the point), there is a valid argument that the whole point of a sceptical publication is to be sceptical of mainstream narratives that dominate the mainstream media, not to reinforce what is already constantly shouted at us in our daily life.

The place for engagement and argument is surely below the line, with robust free speech policies in place.

For what it’s worth, I agree with your implicit position here, that there’s a place for some exposition of the mainstream narratives, or critiques of sceptical positions, atl, but the other position is a valid argument and suggests such should be limited.

JXB
JXB
3 years ago
Reply to  Mark

So you want to censor what I may read.

You assume I read/hear MSM or social media – I avoid it.

Alter Ego
Alter Ego
3 years ago
Reply to  John Dee

That’s a reasonable point. But the views espoused by Rons are not short of platforms, in universities or anywhere else. I have no objection at all to his being invited to contribute. But I am asking questions about the fact that he has been invited to return, with more to say in support of an official narrative, when there are so many literate and well-informed sceptical voices who don’t get invited to a platform for “Daily Sceptics” at all. Above-the-line articles are privileged positions on this platform. It would be interesting to see more of the sceptical views that are constantly de-platformed elsewhere. I don’t think people here need protection against anybody’s view; and I meant what I said about my respect and gratitude for what is provided here. On this occasion (the only one with which I have raised any issues), we have a set of views from someone who has not only already been included, but who is expressing opinions which have an immense variety of platforms from which they are espoused daily. I would like to see more alternative views included – of any description. The way forward is not only to engage and argue – it’s… Read more »

JXB
JXB
3 years ago
Reply to  Alter Ego

So you only want your bias confirmed.

JXB
JXB
3 years ago
Reply to  Alter Ego

I think you miss the point, it is not the authors who are supposed to be sceptical, it is the readership.

If not, we would read only the views of or approved by the editorial team, so we would end up just like readers of the MSM, with not outside views, infirmation with which to compare.

The purpose of this site is to allow a variety of views and Toby et al do us the courtesy of giving us the opportunity to decide for ourselves, unlike in the MSM or social media.

Will you next complain that Toby should not allow comments from those who are not sceptical or sceptical enough?

Susan
3 years ago
Reply to  Mark

Just as with the virus.

MTF
MTF
3 years ago
Reply to  Mark

Why is Russia asking for a review of sanctions in return for lifting the blockade if there is no blockade?

ImpObs
3 years ago
Reply to  MTF

How did 3 ships loaded in Crimea with a reported 0.5 million tons of grain become embroiled in a political theater, being turned away from multiple ports in the Med, if there is a blockade?

MTF
MTF
3 years ago
Reply to  ImpObs

Could it be because Crimea is under Russian control?

ImpObs
3 years ago
Reply to  MTF

so it’s not blockaded then

MTF
MTF
3 years ago
Reply to  ImpObs

No Russia are not blockading their own ports!

John Dee
3 years ago
Reply to  MTF

Sensible!

Mark
3 years ago
Reply to  MTF

Unlike the Ukrainians, apparently, who panicked and mined their own ports.

MTF
MTF
3 years ago
Reply to  Mark

If you don’t have a navy, the enemy is blockading your merchant shipping, and there is a risk of sea-born invasion it is hardly panic to mine your ports.

Mark
3 years ago
Reply to  MTF

It arguably is, if it halts your own exports. I doubt the Russians were going to sail straight in, in the teeth of modern anti-ship ordnance.

Regardless, justified or not that’s clearly what they did (blockaded their own ports).

Mark
3 years ago
Reply to  MTF

As far as I can tell that ancillary lie comes from a clearly intentional misrepresentation of comments made by Russian authorities, who were talking about the contribution of the wider sanctions to the world hunger problems: “Interfax quoted Russian Deputy Foreign Minister Andrei Rudenko as saying: “You have to not only appeal to the Russian Federation but also look deeply at the whole complex of reasons that caused the current food crisis and, in the first instance, these are the sanctions that have been imposed against Russia by the U.S. and the EU that interfere with normal free trade, encompassing food products including wheat, fertilisers and others.”” Moscow says opening Ukraine ports would need review of sanctions on Russia – Interfax Despite all the intentionally mendacious headlines and misleading stories, I haven’t been able to find any actual quoted example of a Russian government representative saying what is attributed to them. But there are plenty of examples of them saying the exact opposite – that civilian merchant ships are and have always been free to leave Ukrainian ports as far as they are concerned: “The Russian Embassy noted that its naval vessels are ensuring the commercial ships’ freedom of movement… Read more »

MTF
MTF
3 years ago
Reply to  Mark

This doesn’t make sense. I cannot believe that the UN secretary general is publicly calling on Russia to relax its blockade if the blockade doesn’t exist. It would be interesting to read an informed and detailed discussion of the issues. I suspect the Russia humanitarian corridor is only to do with allowing neutral merchant ships, that were stranded by the war in Ukrainian ports, to escape. I am not sure that large scale exporting of Ukrainian grain is included. Also, the Russian threat to Ukraine may mean that Ukraine dare not clear mines – either because they are essential for defence (not sure how effective group to ship missiles are – or how many they have left) or because the mine sweepers would be too much at risk.

Jon Garvey
3 years ago
Reply to  Mark

Agreed. It is Ukraine that blocked the ports and mined the Black Sea.

The other distraction is that “the breadbasket of Europe” in reality includes Russia and some of its its allies, not just Ukraine – whiose exports have been blockaded by the West in the form of sanctions.

Not to mention that food shortages were in the pipeline from the combined effects of years of printing money catching up with the world economy, and the waste and disruption caused by COVID policies.

Sri Lanka, of course, the first really hard-hit nation, suffered also from ill-advised green policies. Ukraine has virtually nothing to do with that country’s severe food shortage.

Mark
3 years ago
Reply to  Jon Garvey

Not to mention that food shortages were in the pipeline from the combined effects of years of printing money catching up with the world economy, and the waste and disruption caused by COVID policies.”

Absolutely (though you missed out the contribution of green dogma):

Here’s the Dreizin Report last November/December pointing out that a famine year was already baked in for 2022:

The Famine Year Approaches

Mark
3 years ago
Reply to  Mark

“(though you missed out the contribution of green dogma)

My apologies, I missed that you’d covered that in relation to Ceylon’s policies.

JXB
JXB
3 years ago
Reply to  Mark

And as someone has pointed out, those trains carrying weapons from Poland into the Ukraine could return loaded with grain instead of returning empty.

Hugh
Hugh
3 years ago

Can I add the prevention of the UK (and other countries) from becoming self-sufficient in food as a crime against humanity? Where is the modern equivalent of “dig for victory”? Is it true that some farmers are still being told to produce less food?

To be fair to the Telegraph, they did have a report on people going hungry in Kenya some while back, but there hasn’t bee nealy enough in the media about the suffering caused by lockdowns in places like Kenya and Madagascar (or Britain for that matter). The tragedy is that these things could easily have been avoided, and I hope that those responsible will eventually be held to account.

Lucan Grey
3 years ago
Reply to  Hugh

Is it true that some farmers are still being told to produce less food?”

Yes. https://www.gov.uk/guidance/a-summary-of-the-sfi-in-2022

MTF
MTF
3 years ago
Reply to  Hugh

Can I add the prevention of the UK (and other countries) from becoming self-sufficient in food as a crime against humanity?

And I would like to point out that the EU as a whole is self-sufficient – shame we can’t benefit from that.

Nearhorburian
Nearhorburian
3 years ago
Reply to  MTF

They refuse to sell food to non-EU members?

I know my Spanish lemons are old, but they’re not that old.

MTF
MTF
3 years ago
Reply to  Nearhorburian

Of course the sell food to us – but if there is a severe shortage then they are going to be a lot better off than we are.

Nearhorburian
Nearhorburian
3 years ago
Reply to  MTF

Perhaps we shouldn’t have had 25 years of mass immigration.

Would have kept our emissions down as well.

MTF
MTF
3 years ago
Reply to  Nearhorburian

Except that the agriculture sector we do have is highly reliant on immigrant labour – particularly from the EU.

Nearhorburian
Nearhorburian
3 years ago
Reply to  MTF

What proportion of the millions who have settled here over the past 25 years are agricultural workers?

And one huge effect I noticed after Poles were allowed to work here is that lots of Portuguese businesses in the Fens disappeared.

Hugh
Hugh
3 years ago
Reply to  MTF

I should hope it is, we’ve certainly put enough into French farming…

Hugh
Hugh
3 years ago
  • Green radicals are ravaging mainstream parties” – As the Australian election results show, both the traditional Right and Left suffer at the hands of these unsatisfied activist-politicians, writes Tim Stanley in the Telegraph.

I guess it just shows how effective fear propaganda can be. I wonder what will happen when it gets back to global cooling…

CrouplessCoup
CrouplessCoup
3 years ago

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-61537610
“Gene-edited tomatoes could soon be sold in England”
Would that perchance mean GMO?

In January a government consultation closed on “Applications for nine genetically modified organisms for food and feed uses”:
https://www.food.gov.uk/news-alerts/consultations/applications-for-nine-genetically-modified-organisms-for-food-and-feed-uses

The outcome can be viewed in a pdf at the above link. It seems “stakeholders'” reservations were not considered to raise issues of relevance or substance sufficient to be an impediment to implementation.

Hugh
Hugh
3 years ago
Reply to  CrouplessCoup

Can you still get non-GM humans for transfusions?

John Dee
3 years ago
Reply to  CrouplessCoup

If they started mRNA-vaxxing our tomatoes, would they even tell us?

Mark
3 years ago
Reply to  John Dee

I was interested to hear, by chance, that GM food is apparently banned in Russia:

WHY Sanctions have FAILED against RUSSIA – Inside Russia Report
(Not the heavyweight analysis the title might suggest, just a bit of reportage chat, but interesting notwithstanding.

Alter Ego
Alter Ego
3 years ago
Reply to  Mark

Yes – I found that interesting, too. It led me to this from TASS:

1 SEP 2021: Broad use of GM food in Russia premature, Putin says

Russian president stressed that there were no restrictions in working in this area for scientific purposes

VLADIVOSTOK, August 31. /TASS/. The widespread use of genetically modified (GM) food in Russia is still premature, Russian President Vladimir Putin said on Wednesday at a meeting with schoolchildren during his trip to the Far East.

“We indeed have a law that limits the use of genetically modified food so that it does not appear on the table. At the same time, there are no restrictions in working in this area for scientific purposes,” the head of state said.

“The issue of using genetically modified food is indeed very complicated and specialists believe it is not yet ready for broad use, like in the United States, for example, where pulse crops, soybeans and corn are grown in huge quantities, then used to feed the cattle, and then meat enters sales channels,” Putin noted.

Russia banned the planting of genetically modified plants and the import of genetically modified seeds from July 4, 2016.

RedhotScot
3 years ago

With the World Health Organisation set to discuss a global pandemic treaty and far-reaching amendments to the 2005 International Health Regulations,

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Hugh
Hugh
3 years ago
Reply to  RedhotScot

Woe betide the journalist who tries to interview Nick Clegg…

Hugh
Hugh
3 years ago

Though I must admit I’m rather keen on some dead white women. My favourite pem (The Old Armchair, by Eliza Cook) is by a woman. One of very few poems that have really moved me.

The Old Arm-Chair by Eliza Cook – Poems | Academy of American Poets

And to think what has been done to old people like the one in the poem these past two years…

Mark
3 years ago
Reply to  Hugh

I’m rather keen on some dead white women

I prefer them alive, myself, but de gustibus non est disputandum…

Judy Watson
Judy Watson
3 years ago
Reply to  Hugh

Drop Shakespeare from the curriculum – about bloody time. I was subjected to it at school over 50 years age and it was so bloody boring. I hated it.

Alter Ego
Alter Ego
3 years ago
Reply to  Judy Watson

Well, you don’t have to read it or go to the plays.

If we dropped something from the curriculum because somebody found it boring, we would have no science teaching at all.

Then we’d have even more people who are incapable of understanding what they are being told (and sold) about a virus or climate change, or any number of matters which affect our lives.

Judy Watson
Judy Watson
3 years ago
Reply to  Alter Ego

I disagree. What relevance does Shakespeare have in modern world?

Science history geography yes. Shakespeare no.

Btw I read extensively both fact and fiction. But Shakespeare absolutely not

Beowulf
Beowulf
3 years ago
Reply to  Judy Watson

Well reading Shakespeare might help you to improve your writing skills. As for the Bard’s relevance “in modern world” [sic] “Things deemed unlikely, e’en impossible, experience oft hath proved to be true.”

Alter Ego
Alter Ego
3 years ago
Reply to  Judy Watson

You don’t have to agree, of course (the down-tick is not mine) – but there are people who find Shakespeare illuminating with regard to human nature and the problems of being human, and who find his language immensely moving and inspiringly beautiful.

I didn’t make an argument with regard to relevance, by the way. My argument was that finding something boring does not constitute a good reason for deciding that it should be dropped from the curriculum.

Hugh
Hugh
3 years ago

Maybe they can just ban flirting and be done with it? I suppose it might help their depopulation agenda…

Londo Mollari
3 years ago
Reply to  Hugh

As does the transphilia insanity.

Marcus Aurelius knew
3 years ago
Reply to  Hugh

Pleased to report that wolf whistles were alive and well on Friday when we went swimming in the river here in North Yorkshire.

Needless to say, they were directed not at me, but at the better half. And she rather enjoyed it.

Mark
3 years ago

“Joe Biden: U.S. would defend Taiwan militarily if China attacked” – The U.S. president warned Beijing would be “flirting with danger” if it tried to seize the democratic island by force, in the latest escalation of rhetoric, the Telegraph reports. There’s no evidence Peking wants to use force against Taiwan, and plenty of evidence and reasons to believe it does not. But China absolutely will use force if the US interferes in ways that change the status quo, by giving formal recognition to a separate Chinese state or by taking steps to make it potentially militarily or diplomatically capable of declaring itself such. That’s a clear and stated red line for China, just as the NATO-isation of the Ukraine was a clear and stated red line for Russia, and recognised as such by most of the US’s most senior professionals. There will be war in Taiwan if the US does ether of the aforementioned, have no doubt, just as NATO-isation of the Ukraine led to war with Russia. Unlike Russia, modern China has few redeeming features as a state, and also unlike Russia it is sufficiently powerful to be a real threat and rival to the US sphere. Arguments can certainly be… Read more »

Alter Ego
Alter Ego
3 years ago
Reply to  Mark

I’ve heard the recent speculation that the US is about to abandon the regime change project in Russia for the sake of a fight with China.

Those contemplating any such notion must be clinically insane.

Their absurd policies, with regard to foreign reserves for instance, are creating allies for Russia and China; their repeated and cynical abandonment of those they claim to support is arousing more and more suspicion – in peoples if not in their hireling leaders.

Mark
3 years ago
Reply to  Alter Ego

Pah, everyone wants to shift from Russia to China. Real men want to take both on at once.

While still wrangling over how to overthrow Iraq’s Saddam Hussein, the Bush administration is already looking for other targets. President Bush has called for the ouster of Palestinian leader Yasir Arafat. Now some within the administration–and allies at D.C. think tanks–are eying Iran and even Saudi Arabia. As one senior British official put it: “Everyone wants to go to Baghdad. Real men want to go to Tehran.
[Bold added]

August 2002
https://www.newsweek.com/periscope-144087

Alter Ego
Alter Ego
3 years ago
Reply to  Mark

Thanks for that – gave me my first good laugh for the evening (as it is here). What a bunch of wimps.

huxleypiggles
3 years ago

First piece on the Roundup –

“Speaking in London Monday”

Where’s London Monday? 

Hugh
Hugh
3 years ago
Reply to  huxleypiggles

Somewhere near Sheffield Wednesday?

huxleypiggles
3 years ago
Reply to  Hugh

😀 😀 😀

Ceriain
3 years ago
Reply to  Hugh

You’ve just won the Internet, Hugh.
😀 😀 😀 😀 😀 😀

Hugh
Hugh
3 years ago
Reply to  Ceriain

Off the posts? 🙂

Jon Garvey
3 years ago
Reply to  huxleypiggles

“Is this Wembley?”
“No, it’s Thursday.”
“So am I – let’s have a pint.”

Emerald Fox
3 years ago
Reply to  Jon Garvey

The punchline should be “let’s have another drink/pint” (suggesting that they were both inebriated to start with).

Jon Garvey
3 years ago
Reply to  Emerald Fox

Quite right… but can you remember the comedy duo who originated the routine (I can’t – from my father’s time)?

Mark
3 years ago
Reply to  Jon Garvey

Sounds like The Two Ronnies kind of thing to me.

iane
iane
3 years ago
Reply to  huxleypiggles

Yep: they keep trying to preposition me, but I just won’t have it!

CrouplessCoup
CrouplessCoup
3 years ago

This government truly has an obsession with mass medicating the population and indeed seems to regard same as a suitable vehicle for animal trials. In my separate post I’ve flagged up https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-61537610? and yes the resourceful BBC illustrates a “difference” between gene editing and gene modifacation. Maybe more concerningly the article states: “Tomatoes that boost the body’s vitamin D could be among the first gene-edited crops allowed on sale in England.” [etc] Yet isn’t it the case that excess vitamin D can itself be problematic e.g. in relation to the body’s utilisation of calcium? Regardless here we have another case of mass medication irrespective of suitable dosage / informed consent. Another animal test where the general public are the “animals”!? Anyway the point of this separate post is just to remind that there is another government consultation closing soon on procedures to be adopted for future local consultations for water fluoridation schemes – the Secretary of State replacing local authorities as the implementor of water fluoridation schemes: https://www.gov.uk/government/consultations/water-fluoridation-seeking-views-on-future-consultation-process/water-fluoridation-seeking-views-on-future-consultation-process https://consultations.dhsc.gov.uk/en/624ab9aacfec175b10628637/fb6b9e17-376e-492a-88aa-d5a9cf6df4dc/start Closes 3 June 2022. https://www.ukfffa.org.uk Fluoride Free Alliance UK (FFAUK)(formerly known as UK Freedom From Fluoride Alliance (UKFFFA)). Joy Warren, joint coordinator guested on the Richie Allen Show 19 April 2022… Read more »

huxleypiggles
3 years ago

Boris Johnson reveals No. 10 is ‘keeping an eye’ on monkeypox.

Bozo the chimp is under orders and those are to re-run the March 2020 playbook:

Tell the plebs there’s nothing to worry about. We’ll let you ramp it up later.

“OK Bill, will co.”

huxleypiggles
3 years ago
Reply to  huxleypiggles

Bozo gets off on the military lingo. He’s already been down to Saville Row to be measured for his General, All Forces Commander, Darts and Crossbow uniform and is looking forward to taking his first inspection.

Gregoryno6
3 years ago

Laughter amid the ruins… you might want to lower your volume in advance.
A very sweary comment on Australia’s erec-sorry, ELection.

huxleypiggles
3 years ago

“Did monkeypox leak from Wuhan?”

No of course not – it came from a Ukraine lab.

FFS.

huxleypiggles
3 years ago

“Teach about dead white men or Shakespeare’s works will vanish from classrooms, schools warned.”

An unusually brave teacher.

P45 in the post.

pjar
3 years ago
Reply to  huxleypiggles

She’ll be fine; Birbalsingh has a long and glorious history of irritating the right people, despite which she continues to succeed, as do the children under her charge.

huxleypiggles
3 years ago

“Now the Government wants to tag protestors.”

The birthplace of democracy. What did Bozo say about the Union Jack?

Must have slipped his mind. He’s definitely a warrior though. See you next Tuesday type.

Hugh
Hugh
3 years ago
Reply to  huxleypiggles

Johnson’s “British values” always were a joke.

Londo Mollari
3 years ago
Reply to  Hugh

British in the sense of being a chav.

Londo Mollari
3 years ago
Reply to  huxleypiggles

Since Shakespeare was key to the development of modern English, attacking his work attacks our culture at a fundamental level. And to understand Shakespeare, you have to understand the Bible. Jordan Peterson interviewed by Joe Rogan.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vt9K6kmpx44

Alter Ego
Alter Ego
3 years ago
Reply to  Londo Mollari

The cultural barbarians responsible for these attacks seem to imagine (if they have an imagination) that certain works produce certain inevitable responses.

Even bad propaganda can’t be relied upon to do that (as the Nazis discovered). Great art never does.

People of all ethnicities, political colours and points of view, religious beliefs and backgrounds have loved and still love the works of Shakespeare – that sublime English gift to the world.

He can be read in countless different ways, as can the Bible.

Thanks for the link, Londo,

huxleypiggles
3 years ago

“CDC Now Recommends COVID-19 Testing for All Domestic Air Travel, Including the Vaccinated.”

Well that certainly puts the nail in the “vaccination” coffin.

Given that the CDC have admitted that the PCR test is useless what are they providing by way of a replacement?

AethelredTheReadier
AethelredTheReadier
3 years ago
Reply to  huxleypiggles

Their narrative is falling apart and the more they try to maintain it by imposing more and more outrageous and ridiculous rules, the more we see the clown’s circus theatre for what it is.

huxleypiggles
3 years ago

“Meet the new thought police: the ‘Orwellian’ researchers working to pathologise dissent.”

Any restriction aimed at coercing thought is in itself a restriction on freedom of the individual; anathema to decent people.

Attempting to restrict freedom of thought can and will only have negative impacts.

Innovations, in any field, arise only from freedom of the mind. The greater good of humanity is not well served by restricting the freedom of ideas. Without freedom we will descend into a morass of banality.

While we exist on this planet free thought will persist. It may well be driven underground as in the Soviet era but some of us will remain free in spirit if not body.

I probably will not be alive to see it but Globocrap will be defeated.

Alter Ego
Alter Ego
3 years ago
Reply to  huxleypiggles

Perhaps we’re already seeing the Twilight of the Gods.

There have always been greedy and ambitious elites. The ones who’ve revealed their outrageous hubris in the last couple of years are another breed entirely.

Saddle your horses over there in Saddleworth, hp – we could be in for one hell of a ride. They have made the mistake of showing us what they are.

Alter Ego
Alter Ego
3 years ago
Reply to  Alter Ego

Actually, ambitious elites are not the problem – on reflection. Ambition is usually a wonderful thing; driving people to do better.

If ambition is entirely directed towards subjugating others and aggrandising oneself, we have a problem. And we do.

Annie
3 years ago
Reply to  huxleypiggles

Presumably, if there’s an election and the other party gains power, supporters of the previous government instantly turn into dangerous activists?

AethelredTheReadier
AethelredTheReadier
3 years ago
Reply to  huxleypiggles

Nice to see you back, HP. I agree wholeheartedly with you and posted above about this. I may die in our cause for freedom but will definitely not live under this type of tyranny. Not on my watch anyway. Risings are happening in many places. I feel that when you fight (peacefully) for something good, wholesome and true, you can’t lose. Truth will prevail and so will we.

Alter Ego
Alter Ego
3 years ago

More strength and readiness to your arm, Aethelred!

The point about protests is that they often seem small, weak and ineffective – or large but futile – until, one day, they’re not.

The only guarantee of defeat is despair and the abandonment of hope. That’s why certain individuals work so hard to encourage precisely that: telling good and conscientious people trying to do something that they’re wasting their time.

TheTartanEagle
TheTartanEagle
3 years ago
Reply to  huxleypiggles

Even prior to the Soviet era, Poland had “underground universities” in a previous era of Russian occupation. Looks like we will also have to have underground education for children to counter the thought police in schools.

huxleypiggles
3 years ago

“TrialSite News reports that the investigational team found that against Omicron BA.2, initiation of both Paxlovid and Molnupiravir were associated with lower risks of disease progression and all-cause mortality while also helping patients to achieve low viral load faster.”

Well that’s a result backed up with an ocean of facts and figures.

What a load of blatant carp.

MrTea
MrTea
3 years ago
Reply to  huxleypiggles

Omicron BA.2?
Isn’t that variant virtually inert all by itself?
Does Paxlovid and Molnupiravir reduce your chance of death from one in a billion to one in one point one billion?

Judy Watson
Judy Watson
3 years ago
Reply to  huxleypiggles

My thoughts exactly.

Londo Mollari
3 years ago

NYC Mayor Eric Adams isn’t just keen on censorship he’s till masking toddlers.

https://www.zerohedge.com/political/nyc-parents-want-person-meeting-mayor-over-toddler-mask-mandate-our-calls-have-gone

Annie
3 years ago
Reply to  Londo Mollari

Why the bloody hell do the fool patents comply with this outrage?

Woodburner
Woodburner
3 years ago

Excuse the very sloppy headline: “College where teacher died of covid…”
The HSE is a heavy-handed organisation at the best of times, but a year, notwithstanding WFH, to pursue this matter is worrying…

A passerby
A passerby
3 years ago

While reading the article below, I think I had what is commonly called a eureka moment.

https://www.sciencealert.com/first-patient-injected-with-experimental-cancer-killing-virus-in-new-clinical-trial

Could the Gene Transfer Technology (rebranded by governments as a Covid vaccine, to allay public fears) actually have been designed to intentionally compromise everyone’s immune system? Is it too ridiculous to suppose that all governments were unaware of this possibility? Assuming this to be the case, then a chance exists of finally putting an end to this experiment.

MrTea
MrTea
3 years ago

Amazingly a monkepox vaccine was created in 2019.
But what use is a vaccine if there isn’t a pandemic of monkey pox?
In order to make some serious monkey back on the vaccine investment you either need a a global monkey pox outbreak or to be able to make people believe there is a global monkey pox outbreak.
I wonder if that nice Mr Gates has money invested in the monkey pox vax?

A passerby
A passerby
3 years ago
Reply to  MrTea

A belief travelling at almost the speed of light? It worked well enough with covid.

Jon Garvey
3 years ago
Reply to  MrTea

I think it was also developed against smallpox. There’s a lot of profit (not) in immunizing against extinct diseases and rare African zoonotic conditions.

The old bat
3 years ago
Reply to  MrTea

I am not interested in or worried by the thought of monkeypox myself, but out of curiosity I wonder if those of us old enough to have been vaccinated against smallpox would be immune anyway. I must have been vaccinated as I was born in the 50s, and vaccination continued until 1971 in the UK apparently. However, you can bet that if they start pushing pox vacs they will say that previous smallpox vaccinations are useless and you simply must have a new one.

John
3 years ago
Reply to  The old bat

I was also born in the 1950’s and I wasn’t vaccinated against smallpox. Regular voluntary vaccination against smallpox was stopped in 1948 with the birth of the NHS, apparently in 1939 there was around a 30% uptake. There was a period in the 19th century when it was compulsory to have your child vaccinated.
Vaccination was stopped completely in 1971, between 1948 and 1971 I presume vaccination was targeted at contacts with an infected person, similar to the TB vaccination nowadays.

Also, according to https://www.historytoday.com/archive/end-smallpox the virus present in the U.K. was mainly a less virulent form, with a 1% case fatality rate, with episodes of the more virulent form.

The old bat
3 years ago
Reply to  John

Oh well, that’s interesting. I just assumed I had been, but probably not then. I know both my parents had scars on their arms which I am sure they said was from the smallpox vaccine, but they were children in the 20s/30s. However, I have definitely had the BCG and I have the scar to prove it. Wonderful vaccines – scarring and injuring people through the centuries!

Mogwai
3 years ago

“…it is a disease of the sodomite..” Interesting you use that old-fashioned word as opposed to “gay” or “homosexual”. And as far as I’m aware it’s not a disease exclusively affecting gay men, it’s merely that they’ve found it in mostly gay men thus far.

Londo Mollari
3 years ago
Reply to  Mogwai

Susceptibility to infection may be related to (a) Number of partners (b) Broken skin (c) Excessive use of anti-biotics as a prophylactic.

These were all factors suggested by sceptics of the HIV/AIDS link.

ImpObs
3 years ago
Reply to  Mogwai

how long has sondomy been exclusive to gay men?

Beowulf
Beowulf
3 years ago
Reply to  ImpObs

I don’t think poor spelling is a sign of a disordered sexual preference.

Mogwai
3 years ago
Reply to  Mogwai

Even more interesting, the comment I was replying to appears to have been deleted. Perhaps because it was recognised as sounding pretty homophobic, from my interpretation anyway.

Mark
3 years ago
Reply to  Mogwai

That’s a bit concerning, if DS are applying political correctness standards for deletions. Of course, without being able to see the original post it’s impossible to judge the reasonableness of the censorship – always the problem with an anti-free speech censorship regime.

Fingerache Philip
Fingerache Philip
3 years ago

BBC NEWS APP:North Korea fights Covid with tea and salt water!
What a backward and undeveloped nation!
Meanwhile in the “civilised and highly technically developed West?
Wear bits of rag on your face and cover your hands with slime.
Altogether now: FF’S.

ImpObs
3 years ago

Almost every news item is a reflection of the clownworld we live in as a result of top down government creation. If Lucy Easthope wants her book to be take seriously it’s probably a good idea not to giggle her way through an interview as she gaslights her way through it, she wants us to believe the lockdowns were all because of the “government machine” unable to row back from it’s own ramping up of the fear factor – I call BS on that. And the Bourbank piece, pontificating about how “modern man…Deprived of his stimulants, forced into a situation of compulsory cold-turkey, he would be furious that his bread and circuses have been taken away from him.” would most likely take to the streets in their millions. Would there be a Communist revolution? A Fascist revolution? Whatever the finale, the build-up to it won’t be pretty; an atomised and balkanised world is further susceptible to political extremism. After 2 years of government SME crushing nonsense? Seriously what world do these people live in? Clearly not one in which their business was crushed by government dictat, they ate away their financial lifeboat to avoid losing their home, and had to… Read more »

Londo Mollari
3 years ago
Reply to  ImpObs

The torches and pitchforks were deployed in Sri Lanka.

ImpObs
3 years ago
Reply to  Londo Mollari

and the plebs are better off how?

Monro
3 years ago

Mr Kissinger is a legend.

The ongoing war in Ukraine solved with but a single stroke.

Simply hand over Crimea and all will be well.

Oh! Hang on…….

John Dee
3 years ago

The CDC is recommending that all domestic travelers undergo COVID-19 testing before and after they travel – regardless of vaccination status

Does this mean they’re finally admitting that those expensive (and how!) vaxxes have been somewhat of a scam?

MDH
MDH
3 years ago

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-england-london-61507125

How bloody ridiculous. TfL employee with half her face covered, to please Mayor Khant, no doubt. Not a single person muzzled on the trains, from what I can see.