The Covid Fearmongers Return

The fear is ramping up again. Articles are appearing talking up the threat from Omicron. Leading U.S. scientist Dr. Eric Topol, Director of Scripps Research in California, has produced a classic of the genre. Titled “The Covid Capitulation“, it lambasts the U.S. and other world governments for trying to move on from the pandemic, criticising the CDC in particular for propagating “delusional thinking” and “conveniently feeding the myth that the pandemic is over”.

New Omicron subvariants like BA.2 and BA.2.12.1 are surging in the U.S. and around the world, he says, and the “real number of cases [in the U.S.] is likely at least 500,000 per day, far greater than any of the U.S. prior waves except Omicron”.

But Omicron is mild, right? Dr. Topol is having none of it. Infections spread like wildfire, he says, and “beget Long Covid, they beget sickness, hospitalisations and deaths. They are also the underpinning of new variants”.

At the heart of his worries is the immune evasion of Omicron and its fast-appearing subvariants, particularly BA.2.12.1 which is becoming dominant in the U.S, and BA.4 and BA.5 in South Africa. He argues that Omicron subvariants are producing larger and more frequent Covid waves than earlier variants owing to “more immune evasion” – evasion so marked that he suggests Omicron should really be considered a new virus, approvingly quoting Dr. Linfa Wang that, “based on its immunological profile, it should be called SARS-3”.

Dr. Topol goes so far as to say that even Omicron BA.1 infection does not protect against infection with Omicron subvariants such as BA.2.12.1 – at least not without vaccination, which he seems to think makes natural immunity work better against subvariants, even though it produces a narrower immune response based only on the Spike protein from the original strain.

Both BA.2.12.1 and BA.4/BA.5 pose a further challenge to our immune system recognition, with minimal cross-immunity derived from BA.1. That is especially noteworthy since 40-50% of Americans were infected with BA.1 (or BA.1.1) and without added protection from vaccination, they will be vulnerable to BA.2.12.1 infections.

Nonetheless, he’s doubtful of the efficacy of Omicron-specific vaccines, due out in July, which are focused on BA.1 and “may not provide strong protection against BA.2.12.1 or whatever new Omicron subvariant (or not Omicron related) we will be dealing with this summer”. For some reason he fails to mention that the development of Omicron-specific vaccines has been seriously hampered by antigenic imprinting (or ‘original antigenic sin’), which has seen them fail to produce detectable Omicron-specific immune responses in the previously vaccinated.

As to the current vaccines, Dr. Topol is frank about their poor efficacy: “We are seeing people with four shots who are getting breakthrough infections, even at one to two weeks from their most recent shot, when there should be the maximal level of neutralising antibodies induced.” He also notes a decline against severe disease, from “90-95%” to “approximately 80%”, which he says is clear “from multiple reports, including the UK Health Security Agency and Kaiser Permanente“. That seems a generous estimate.

While he thinks BA.2.12.2 and BA.4/BA.5 variants will likely have similar, rather than more, immune evasion against severe disease compared to BA.1 and BA.2 “because we haven’t seen substantial increases in hospitalisations”, he cautions “no data are yet available and it’s still early”. He repeats his claim that natural immunity without vaccination is little help, saying “those without vaccination, relying on infection-acquired immunity, and at advanced age, are at considerable risk for the Omicron subvariants because their prior exposure only led to narrow BA.1 protection”, though gives no sources for the claim.

He then ramps up the alarm further, saying the world must plan for something worse than the Omicron variants, which are “providing further seeding grounds for more variants of concern”, a path “further facilitated by tens of millions of immunocompromised people around the world, multiple and massive animal reservoirs and increased frequency of recombinants – the hybrid versions of the virus that we are seeing from co-infections”.

This “highly unfavourable picture” he summarises as:

(1) accelerated evolution of the virus; (2) increased immune escape of new variants; (2) progressively higher transmissibility and infectiousness; (4) substantially less protection from transmission by vaccines and boosters; (5) some reduction on vaccine/booster protection against hospitalisation and death; (6) high vulnerability from infection-acquired immunity only; and (7) likelihood of more noxious new variants in the months ahead.

Given the failings of the vaccines and the hopelessness of producing timely, variant-specific ones, what does he think should be done? New, different kinds of vaccines, seems to be the main answer, which he evidently hopes will do better than the current crop. He calls for a “warp speed” programme to complete the development of nasal vaccines, which he thinks will “markedly ameliorate our problems of transmission, no less the alluring aspect of achieving mucosal immunity and being variant-proof”, plus a “pan-beta coronavirus vaccine“.

Similarly, while he doesn’t have much praise for the current Covid treatments – noting Paxlovid is “increasingly being recognised to have a liability of rebound with infectiousness in many people after the five-day blister pill pack”, while “most of the monoclonal antibodies that were previously highly effective” have not aged well with new variants – he insists that treatments which do work well are just around the corner. No mention of repurposed medicines, of course.

He dismisses Zero Covid as “untenable with Omicron” (or otherwise, many would say), but nonetheless urges a new policy of “Zero Covid Deaths”. Despite being dismissive of the efficacy of the vaccines against Omicron and future variants, this mainly appears to boil down to increasing third and fourth dose coverage with the current vaccines. He also argues that “we absolutely need an aggressive stance to get ahead of the virus”, as despite Covid vaccines and medications being “an order of magnitude more effective than what we have for influenza”, the current level of U.S. deaths (over 175,000 so far in 2022) is still “more than 10-fold in excess of seasonal flu (about 30,000 per year)”. While he says this is “totally unacceptable, nearly totally preventable loss of lives at scale”, exactly what he wants to be done about it is not clear. As far as I can tell the article is primarily an appeal for funding to continue the development of Covid drugs and vaccines rather than just (as he sees it) pretending Covid has gone away. However, in the process he’s painted a frightening picture that will spook many of his readers and risks pushing us back towards social restrictions.

In fact, despite his dire warnings about BA.4 and BA.5, South Africa reported infections appear to be peaking.

In the U.K., the Omicron variant waves have not yet produced a wave of excess deaths – though admittedly some other countries have seen moderate waves of varying sizes.

Dr. Topol is right that a disease like Covid ought to receive decent funding to find effective and safe treatments and vaccines for those at higher risk. However, given that the first crop of these have been disappointing, even for proponents like Dr. Topol, let alone for those suspicious of the safety of the rushed vaccines, hopes and expectations ought to be moderated. Better designed trials not designed to fail ought also to be run for repurposed drugs.

Perhaps most importantly, though, leading scientists like Dr. Topol ought to avoid spreading alarm, which as we have seen can readily lead the world into a headlong rush into folly and disaster.

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Grahamb
3 years ago

Isn’t there an initiative to give some unelected types with a global agenda a platform to control lots of people doing the rounds at the moment? Then there is weakened immune systems of some people caused by multiple injections as claimed by the off message scientists.
I wonder who pulls the strings with Dr Topol?

David Beaton
David Beaton
3 years ago
Reply to  Grahamb

There you have it ,scruffy plump, green V neck jumper man splashing the cash!

John Dee
3 years ago
Reply to  David Beaton

I’m coming to the conclusion that, without my subsidising Gates’ companies all those years ago, it might never have come to this.
Of course, back then he was just a harmless nerd, and I never imagined he’d end up trying to kill off a large section of Humanity.
But, I do accept that ignorance of the Future is no excuse.

Judy Watson
Judy Watson
3 years ago
Reply to  Grahamb

Hi Grahamb – I think you have answered your own question there.

Billy boy is behind this , hence this ‘Doc” has been given a platform on which to speak.

Regrettably the sheep will lap this up and queue for yet more jabs.

Freddy Boy
3 years ago
Reply to  Judy Watson

Fancy seeing you here 🥰 + you are correct Gates is up there with History’s worst Tyrants ! All done wearing a comfy line of Jumpers 🙃😤

TSull
TSull
3 years ago

True. The pandemic is not over. The pandemic of fear, lies and deception just keeps rolling on.

David Beaton
David Beaton
3 years ago
Reply to  TSull

The pandemic that never was – the propaganda will continue until 2030 and humanity is crushed.

timsk
3 years ago

Could it be, I wonder, that Dr. Eric Topol has a substantial shareholding in big pharma?

Alter Ego
Alter Ego
3 years ago
Reply to  timsk

Or is he looking for a photo opp? Well, he got one!

Once more, with feeling: lockdowns “beget sickness, hospitalisations and deaths.” And the “vaccines” serve as “the underpinning of new variants”.

Emerald Fox
3 years ago
Reply to  Alter Ego

No different from Dr Zelenko selling his ‘de-tox’ pills.
“Mr Zelenko, do you think I should buy some of your de-tox and Magic Vitamins pills, of unknown origin?”
Dr Zelenko: “Of course!”

RedhotScot
3 years ago
Reply to  Emerald Fox

Why don’t you give them away for nothing then?

djmo
3 years ago
Reply to  Emerald Fox

Is that the Dr Zelenko who has under 2,000 followers on Facebook and a little over 8,000 on Twitter? You’ll forgive us all for not having the same level of concern as we do about a narrative that has been advanced by governments, the corporate press, and Silicon Valley.

Vxi7
Vxi7
3 years ago
Reply to  Emerald Fox

You can check the ingredients of his stack and buy from a thousand other producers… He is not selling vaccines unavailable to anyone.

Free Lemming
3 years ago

To be fair, Geert Vanden Bossche has the same view about the evolution of the virus, and he’s no fan of the mass vaccination program; he believes it’s the vaccination program that’s driving the pandemic. This Topol guy’s views on natural immunity appear to be at odds with everything that’s known about natural immunity though, so that’s just plain odd. We still have no sensible stats on ‘vaccine’ efficacy – the figures vary wildly. Maybe a little protection for a short period then negative efficacy seems to be the most likely. We are well past the point of needing an informed debate on the whole science side of this – a debate that allows counter-narrative views. Wishful thinking of course.

twinkytwonk
3 years ago
Reply to  Free Lemming

Bossche is right. To give a vaccine that produces non neutralising antibodies is no different to someone taking only one day of their antibiotic course. You’re applying a selection pressure to the virus/bacteria and Only mutations that can escape this pressure will survive, hence the variants. All of this is GCSE biology and for these people to act like they don’t know all of this and use the variants to scare the public and receive more funding is bs.

kate
kate
3 years ago
Reply to  Free Lemming

You need to be careful about Dr Bossche, as Dr Yeadon thinks his theories could be a disinformation programme. His immunology theories do not make sense, but pave the way for an excuse should a more virulent virus be released. Dr Bossche worked for Gates. This is Mikes post on the interview between Bossche and Bigtree recently on the highwire. I don’t agree with GVDB’s immunology at all. Something is really wrong here. Help me out here, folks! I don’t like criticising anyone on the same side as me. I could as easily be accused of being a mole myself (I’m not, I was just not tuned in as an employee to the occasional criminal act in the sales & commercial end of the business). So I’m very reluctantly criticizing Geert, only on the science. Here goes. I’ve listened to a hour or so. My responses are consistent with what I’ve said before. 1. His entire schtick is only on antibodies. We know some people mild disease, then recover. Viruses don’t just get bored & give up. If you recover, it’s your immune system that got rid of it. There’s no other way. It’s T-cells that kill infected cells &… Read more »

David Beaton
David Beaton
3 years ago
Reply to  kate

Thanks for this! A very importantt post.

Free Lemming
3 years ago
Reply to  kate

Interesting. I would point out a couple of anomalies in his argument:

  1. Their conclusions said “these findings should provide reassurance that even substantial mutation will be insufficient to escape immunity”. But that’s not what we’re seeing with the naturally infected – even people who did not get vaxxed, but got infected with Alpha, or even Delta, have been infected again with Omicron. Caveat: Test accuracy.
  2. Vanden Bossche is very against mass vaccination and is openly and loudly blaming the ongoing pandemic on the ‘vaccines’. I can’t see that being somebody that the elites are keen to have their side. It just doesn’t fit with me.

Agree though, you cannot just blindly trust anyone; that even goes for Mike. Best to stay thinking critically – that’s what got us all here in the first place.

kate
kate
3 years ago
Reply to  Free Lemming

Your points:

  1. At the beginning there was an unusual viral infection with distinct symptoms. What we see now is a re-labelling of colds and flu. Human coronaviruses cause colds. Nothing to worry about. Just a psyop on a population that has been psychologically softened up by fear to accept propaganda.
  2. yes, but he could be psychologically preparing the way for another frightening lab built pandemic. And preparing this belief among sceptics. And a pandemic that will require cancellation of normal human rights, as is being prepared for by the WHO agreement.

Personally, I cannot make head or tails out of Bassche’s virology arguments, he is incoherent. Always a bad sign if you want to conceal your programme.

Free Lemming
3 years ago
Reply to  kate

Thanks, but I am aware of the points you make in 1); it’s virtually impossible to be on this side of the argument for as long as I have to not be. With respect to 2), I think it’s possible, but highly unlikely. The answer to both is simple – we don’t actually know.

TheGreenGoblin
TheGreenGoblin
3 years ago
Reply to  kate

GVDB is not the best written communicator but his recent interview on the Highwire clarified a few things in his latest stance.

crisisgarden
3 years ago
Reply to  kate

Thank you kate. I was just about to bring up GVB before I spotted your post. This is precisely what I wanted to see – a response from MY on the recent Highwire interview that left my head spinning last week.
It’s so hard to untangle the truth isn’t it. I have Bigtree down as a good actor and I don’t like the thought that they would be responsible for disinfo. I knew about GVB’s prior work with Gates but was prepared to not hold this against him; so vociferously attacking the vaccination programme is not what we would expect from an insider. But it felt unlikely to me that we would suddenly see an extremely virulent form of ‘the virus’ as there has been no sign of this and less people seem to be getting sick. Then I have to balance this with my gut instinct which is that there is no novel viral threat whatsoever, which is what my own direct experience tells me.
I’m lost.

kate
kate
3 years ago
Reply to  crisisgarden

I have tried to understand GVB’s arguments but they do not make sense.
I don’t know what to make of him, I am very sceptical. My own day to day experience over two years has been – there is nothing out there worth worrying about. This is a psyop.

TheGreenGoblin
TheGreenGoblin
3 years ago
Reply to  kate

Taking a step back, the fact omicron seems to be both the most transmissible disease ever and that its waves never drop to zero (both apparently thanks to the vaccines, and unlike any other diseases) are not encouraging signs.

GVDB now suggests a mechanism where the virus can mutate and the pathway will increase infectiousness and virulence in the vaccinated. I think, as practically the only voice who predicted where we’ve got to in this whole debacle, he deserves to be taken seriously, and his suggested mechanisms, although complicated, are plausible.

Yeadon would himself admit that he had a limited understanding of the immunology. It’s not his field, and developments have shown that few, if any, really do understand it.

crisisgarden
3 years ago
Reply to  TheGreenGoblin

Very good points – I just can’t make my mind up…

kate
kate
3 years ago
Reply to  TheGreenGoblin

5. I do not think there’s any evidence that massed vaccination places the UNvaccinated at greater risk. Your immune system & mine will cope perfectly well with this virus & it’s variants (just don’t permit those wretched “vaccines” into your body).

I am quite prepared to believe that the vaxxines are harming natural immunity, such that a more virulent variant could be a problem.

But I do not see why a sars coronavirus should suddenly develop extreme virulence.

Much of the population is now immune after two years – how is this coronavirus going to circulate?

Even the vaxxed have some immunity.and the unvaxxed have developed T cell immunity to a wide range of CV epitopes. We should be able to deal with a new coronavirus without a problem especially if unvaxxed.

Having dozens of differently focused T-cells, if you see the virus again, even a mutated form, MOST of the mutant will have most components unchanged. So out will come your trained T-cell clones & they destroy cells infected by this mutant, so long as there are many common components to the beast you beat before.  Yeadon.

TheGreenGoblin
TheGreenGoblin
3 years ago
Reply to  kate

I was with you in not seeing the path to increased virulence until his latest interview. The way I understand his argument is: the mechanism by which severe disease is currently limited in vaccinated subjects is because the vaccinal antibodies limit the spread of the virus in the lower respiratory tract (inhibiting the formation of syncytia). So here we have a situation where a mutation that would lead to increased infectiousness (what evolution would normally favour) also would lead to enhanced virulence—and GVDB believes he’s identified a likely pathway. Immunity is not as robust to different variants as we might like. I’m unvaccinated and have had covid twice, and I don’t believe it can be simply put down to testing anomalies—I see that as wishful thinking. In my personal experience the tests have been robust and my lateral flow test results have tallied exactly with my symptoms. We can see by the continued spread of omicron that proper herd immunity is not developing. It would seem that many underestimate the role of innate and mucosal immune systems. Yeadon focuses on T cells but GVDB, an eminent immunologist, doesn’t think they play an important role. I don’t think we can rely… Read more »

kate
kate
3 years ago
Reply to  TheGreenGoblin

not convinced,

Free Lemming
3 years ago
Reply to  TheGreenGoblin

Yep, that’s exactly where I’m at with it. I was aware of Mike’s uncertainty surrounding Vanden Bossche, but hadn’t read his comments on the HighWire interview. My take on it all is to treat everybody with caution. Not a great way to live, but that’s where we’re at. I certainly won’t totally believe something just because a certain person says it – that’s the healthy scepticism that got us here in the first place surely?

TheGreenGoblin
TheGreenGoblin
3 years ago
Reply to  Free Lemming

Couldn’t agree more. Even the most competent and well-meaning people can be wrong, and history is littered with bad decisions, so there’s plenty of good reason to doubt. I guess in life there are only so many hours in the day so eventually you have to trust someone.

Free Lemming
3 years ago
Reply to  TheGreenGoblin

I trust myself, that’s it. And that’s only before alcohol!

John Dee
3 years ago
Reply to  Free Lemming

Ditto. And not even during alcohol, when I become convinced that I’m a gifted raconteur, only to be reminded the next day that ‘you did it again’.

Milo
Milo
3 years ago
Reply to  kate

That has also been mine.

Rowan
Rowan
3 years ago
Reply to  kate

Yes for me, it likely started as a psyop. A psyop with the express purpose of getting people to role up their sleeves for the vaccines that aren’t remotely vaccines. To this end the psyop has largely worked. Whether these seemingly health destroying shots are the end product of the scam or whether they are meant to set the injected up for some further affliction, with something still to be released, remains to be seen.

Milo
Milo
3 years ago
Reply to  crisisgarden

If you stand back and look at the big picture – pandemic treaty plus Gates book that he is pushing about how to fight the next pandemic (as if one is just around the corner – and he knows all about it) then I think Kate’s second point above hits the nail on the head:

he could be psychologically preparing the way for another frightening lab built pandemic. And preparing this belief among sceptics. And a pandemic that will require cancellation of normal human rights, as is being prepared for by the WHO agreement.”

crisisgarden
3 years ago
Reply to  Milo

Could they be so dastardly?! I suppose yes, they could.

Milo
Milo
3 years ago
Reply to  crisisgarden

Look back over the course of the last 2 years and there is your answer

DS99
3 years ago
Reply to  kate

This is why I come here. I had heard the GVDB interview with Del Bigtree and taken it as gospel so it’s good to see another point of view. Thank you.

crisisgarden
3 years ago
Reply to  DS99

Well said, me too.

Emerald Fox
3 years ago

“He argues that Omicron subvariants are producing larger and more frequent Covid waves than earlier”

‘Waves’ are so yesterday, dahling, let’s call them ‘tsunamis’. Is that better?

Annie
3 years ago
Reply to  Emerald Fox

And after the tsunami?

John Dee
3 years ago
Reply to  Annie

I believe it’s ‘après le déluge’  in polite circles.

David Beaton
David Beaton
3 years ago
Reply to  Emerald Fox

Yeadon said over a year ago: “Viruses don’t do waves.”

TheGreenGoblin
TheGreenGoblin
3 years ago
Reply to  David Beaton

If Yeadon said that, surely he was wrong. We can look at the charts of every pandemic, ever. Until omicron, that is.

The viruses themselves might not do the waves but the number of susceptible people in the population (pre-omicron) do.

Laurence_R
Laurence_R
3 years ago
Reply to  David Beaton

Yeadon said very recently that he doesn’t think a viral pandemic is actually possible – he sometimes follows his theorising too far and comes out with stuff that disagrees with observable reality/history 😄

Rowan
Rowan
3 years ago
Reply to  Emerald Fox

Let’s called them colds instead.

stewart
3 years ago

Profanity and abuse will be removed and may lead to a permanent ban.

They really put us to the test us with these news items.

TheGreenGoblin
TheGreenGoblin
3 years ago
Reply to  stewart

Fear is one thing, but I’m not going to get too upset until they start locking me up or forcibly injecting me again.

chris-ds
chris-ds
3 years ago

With the number of people that have caught this thing and also the number of “vaccines” administered this thing should be over.

the fact that it’s still here is why the Chinese are going for zero covid, they know something we don’t.

the big question is how does Ukraine fit into this puzzle.

I know the answer, just wondering when the clues will filter through the MSM.

Natural immunity hasn’t and won’t stop this thing, for some reason they keep pushing an outdated vaccine that looks to have caused more harm than good and asking people to have 4 or more doses of something that 1 dose should have been enough plus the adenovirus vaccines (AstraZeneca) have dropped off the radar in favour of the novel mRNA one’s that are untested and contentious.

There are significant pieces of this puzzle missing! We can imagine what they look like and it’s not pretty.

hold on to your hats, this winter will get truly wild.

stewart
3 years ago
Reply to  chris-ds

Stopping what thing? I don’t see an unusual disease circulating, do you?

chris-ds
chris-ds
3 years ago
Reply to  stewart

youd have to be truly ignorant to not acknowledge that there is something going around, something that scared the crap out of the Chinese and rest of the world do much they locked us all up in our homes.

it’s still going around now, we can argue about it’s capacity to do harm but you can’t deny it’s there.

kate
kate
3 years ago
Reply to  chris-ds

There is nothing going round. Get outside and live and you will see.

Bobby Lobster
Bobby Lobster
3 years ago
Reply to  chris-ds

The Chinese “relied” on partially stolen vaccines, initially, and the people do not really trust them. Forcing initial fear on the population caused reactions, but now Omicron is eminently catchable, but mostly disappears in days. Repeated jabs only causes immune response problems.

crisisgarden
3 years ago
Reply to  chris-ds

Sorry I don’t see any evidence of this whatsoever. At the very beginning, my sister-in-law, an ICU nurse, told me that they were seeing novel respiratory and blood symptoms so I’m willing to accept that there was something new in circulation (as an aside, I believe an engineered virus). I ‘caught covid’ last summer and it did involve some unusual symptoms (but nothing even vaguely severe). What’s this existential threat you’re seeing?

Milo
Milo
3 years ago
Reply to  chris-ds

I’m not seeing anything going around – at all.

I’m not seeing people coughing, sneezing, sniffling or even under the weather.

And as for China – purrrrrrlease!!!! That is just China being China and the rest of the world and their media lapping it up and packaging it as something we should all be scared of.

John Dee
3 years ago
Reply to  chris-ds

I’m beginning to wonder whether the Chinese lockdown manoeuvres are just part of a power struggle in the CCP, with Xi flexing his muscles on the world stage for all to see.
Whatever’s going on, it won’t suppress a virus.

Rowan
Rowan
3 years ago
Reply to  chris-ds

Whatever the Chinese are up to isn’t really known, but we can be fairly sure that it isn’t zero Covid.

Annie
3 years ago
Reply to  chris-ds

This sort of comment belongs in the Daily Fail.

tom171uk
3 years ago
Reply to  chris-ds

So how does Ukraine fit into the puzzle? Enlighten us please.

Rowan
Rowan
3 years ago
Reply to  tom171uk

A massive distraction?

TheGreenGoblin
TheGreenGoblin
3 years ago
Reply to  chris-ds

Some pieces you’ve missed:

The vaxxes are crap and there is no “should” about them ending anything. They’ve perverted people’s immune systems and allowed omicron to thrive.

It’s a similar reason new vaccines don’t work. The immune system can’t easily adjust to a closely related new shot. Plus omicron evolves too fast for them to know which variant to stick in to the genetic coding.

The AstraZeneca mechanism isn’t that much less novel than the mRNA in humans but the fact it uses a natural virus as a carrier means it is less suitable for multiple suits shots as the immune system starts to recognise the carrier (not to mention the blood clotting risk they cause).

I grant the behaviour of the Chinese is tough to explain.

Milo
Milo
3 years ago
Reply to  TheGreenGoblin

All good points.

DanClarke
DanClarke
3 years ago

There will always be MAD SCIENTISTS, always have been, always will be, we must accept that and not give them the bigger platform they crave

David Beaton
David Beaton
3 years ago
Reply to  DanClarke

You mean we should stop them taking over the world and forcing mass Gene Therapy injections on all humanity as part of a Eugenics project ?

I think I could agree with that.

It appears though that the Johnson Cabal thinks this is a ‘good idea’!

Dr G
Dr G
3 years ago

Using the yardstick of “Covid death” meaning anyone dying within a month of a positive Covid test, it would be interesting to use the same parameters for all common circulating viruses. I suspect 90 percent of deaths would become a “viral death”.
We could then lock everyone up permanently, and have dozens of compulsory vaccines available within a few months.

amanuensis
3 years ago
Reply to  Dr G

I think the stats are something like 45,000 people per year dying within 28 days of catching a cold (UK).

PaulMac66
PaulMac66
3 years ago
Reply to  amanuensis

I really don’t think there’s ever been a database to measure that statistic. But I think the vast majority of deaths (trauma excluded) will have some sort of respiratory illness at the point of death. This is the reason why pneumonia and flu won’t be recorded as the primary cause of death in someone who is living their last few days because of (say) cancer. If they did then cancer, dementia, heart disease etc etc deaths would drop dramatically.

SAGE LIARS
3 years ago
Reply to  amanuensis

The deaths for any reason within 28 days of drinking a cup of tea are way higher…..truly frightening. To think mum and dad put their lives at risk in the 60s/70s just so my Brooke Bond album was complete!!

emel
emel
3 years ago

Give him more money and he can ensure you will live forever. Now where have we heard that before?

loopDloop
loopDloop
3 years ago

Let’s talk about the white coats that doctors wear for a moment. It reminds me of when I see the Archbishop of Canterbury in that ridiculous get-up he prances around in these days, all woke pastel rainbows and gloopy “symbols”, with the magic wand and the silly hat. It’s pure theatre, a costume, a prop, which screams, I’m an actor playing a part in a make-believe play and I have make-believe powers, here let me pretend to make a difference. Now, let’s do doctors. That white coat is the exact same garment as the archbishop, the only difference is that the colour code has been simplified. This time the palette is pure white. Ah yes, pure white. The colour of God. To don the white coat is to slip on the mantle of divinity, to proclaim: ‘no longer do I stand before you as a mere human, but I come to you in the guise of the angels themselves. I carry the God power within me, the power to heal, the power to mend, the power to perform the miracle of making the broken body whole again.’ But of course, like Archie Canters, it’s all an act, a theatrical performance.… Read more »

Emerald Fox
3 years ago
Reply to  loopDloop

The uniform or costume is to belittle you, and show you who’s in charge.

Moist Von Lipwig
3 years ago
Reply to  Emerald Fox

Yes, the doctator is in charge.

DanClarke
DanClarke
3 years ago
Reply to  loopDloop

Explains Johnson’s obsession with ‘outfits’

John
3 years ago
Reply to  loopDloop

I never saw a white coated physician either on the wards or in the ED. The ED doctors wore scrubs. Nurses and HCAs wore their uniforms. Infection control policy was bare below the elbows, therefore white coats wouldn’t be allowed.

loopDloop
loopDloop
3 years ago
Reply to  John

Proves my point. The white coat is functionally useless, therefore it is not worn where it would matter if it actually did something. It’s pure theatre, worn when meeting the suckers, I mean the patients.

John
3 years ago
Reply to  loopDloop

Originally they did serve a purpose, providing protection to everyday clothing, my father, a nurse in the 1960’s, wore a white coat as there was no male nurse uniform. To be honest I am not sure when white coats stopped being worn here in the U.K., they are still worn in the USA. Using TV medical drama programmes like Casualty, Holby City in the U.K. and Chicago Med in the USA as guidance, white coats never appeared in the former during the 30 years or so of production, whereas they still appear in the latter even now.
In fact white coats as theatre are more likely to be seen on scientists in the background of BBC programmes or news items.

BurlingtonBertie
3 years ago
Reply to  loopDloop

The white coat did serve a purpose to the clinician wearing it – all those pockets to carry the crap around which one needs when going from ward to ward!
Boy did I miss mine when they were banned because of infection control!

DS99
3 years ago
Reply to  loopDloop

Tbf the last hospital doctor I saw was wearing a polo shirt with his name embroidered on it and the one before that was wearing what might have well have been pyjamas (scrubs I believe they’re called). White coats is strictly for the photo opportunities.

SAGE LIARS
3 years ago
Reply to  loopDloop

‘I’ll meet the doctor, without the white coat, and discuss vaccines until one of us runs out of references’…….That conversation wouldn’t last 5 minutes before the doc runs out of material!!!

Brett_McS
3 years ago

He has a point. Bret Weinstein was raising the same concern almost two years ago that rolling out a leaky vaccine into the middle of a pandemic was a method for generating dangerous, vaccine-resistant, variants. The exact same problem as is occuring with over-use of antibiotics.

Laurence_R
Laurence_R
3 years ago
Reply to  Brett_McS

Maybe we’re lucky that they’re still using the same old vaccines – eventually Omicron will run out of useful mutations against it, which will be a good thing because it also seems to be evolving to evade natural immunity to some degree.
Still wondering why I’ve never caught it, though!

Annie
3 years ago

Presumably Doctor Topolino has not examined the responses of any unvaxxed people.

(Topolino is the Italian for Mickey Mouse.)

MikeHaseler
3 years ago

Covid had an exciting start but it soon got boring, and I hear that Covid II is lame, with no plot or character development. Maybe if they bring out a prequel I might be interested.

ellie-em
3 years ago
Milo
Milo
3 years ago
Reply to  Cecil B

Similarly, what happened to the former Aussie cricketer in same age bracket who died in car accident when his car, not involved in collision with another, rolled over on the road? I couldn’t help but wonder – was it clot shot injury causing seizure at wheel?

Cecil B
Cecil B
3 years ago

Volunteer police officers to be armed with Taser stun guns – BBC News

An indication of the disorder they are expecting to see?

tom171uk
3 years ago
Reply to  Cecil B

Or create…

Catee
3 years ago
Reply to  Cecil B

Amazing when they can’t be trusted to wade into 3 feet of water to save a 10 year old from drowning.

David Beaton
David Beaton
3 years ago
Reply to  Catee

‘Health and Safety’ concerns ( theirs ) prevent them!

John Dee
3 years ago
Reply to  Catee

Presumably, if the taser went off in the water, the rescuer, the 10-year-old (and any adjacent fish) would be toast (or whatever the watery equivalent is).

Dave Angel Eco Warrior
Dave Angel Eco Warrior
3 years ago

Return of the fearmongers? Have they ever gone away?

Cecil B
Cecil B
3 years ago

Much prefer return of the fishmongers

John Dee
3 years ago

A lot of mask-wearers are going to be reassured that they were right all along not to stop wearing them. Even those who still caught the Wu-flu.

NeilofWatford
3 years ago

Look at this the other way round.
What is coming next such that the WEF needs to suppress freedom/speech again ?
They’ve tried and failed once with digital ID. They used it to steal an election in America (postal ballots).
No coincidences …

paul parmenter
paul parmenter
3 years ago

OK, I get it. Natural immunity is useless and we are all going to die horrible deaths (again) unless we pour billions more into Big Pharma to save us in the only way possible: by churning out more experimental concoctions in record time, in record amounts and at record costs.

Message understood, loud and clear. Now will you leave me alone to get on with what is left of my Armageddon-threatened life after you and your pals have ripped up the last two years of it?

Milo
Milo
3 years ago
Reply to  paul parmenter

Whatever you do, hold on to your natural immunity. Boost that terrain.

Vaxtastic
3 years ago

The best time for fear mongering to control behaviour was about a year ago. Now, with the summer break ahead of us, it will be an uphill struggle.

If like me you’ve so far avoided injections and tracking apps, you’ve probably made it. There are more sceptics now than then. An important group are the injected who feel duped. Those who have sworn off further boosters. They’ll be a bit harder to persuade next time round.

Obviously they will try. Why wouldn’t they? Who’d heard of Chris Whitty or Stalin’s nanny before the fake pandemic? This event has helped many people.

So the road ahead will be bumpy. But they failed to impose their fantasy world.

Milo
Milo
3 years ago
Reply to  Vaxtastic

Footage of Billy on GB news last night basically saying that people need to be “boosted” every 6 months, or even at shorter intervals.

Judy Watson
Judy Watson
3 years ago
Reply to  Milo

I read that somewhere and I found it bloody scary.

Milo
Milo
3 years ago
Reply to  Judy Watson

And even worse, he clearly didn’t know what he was talking about, it was based on zero knowledge, and THIS is what is going to be pulling the strings at the WHO when their pandemic treaty rules all those who sign up to it.

ebygum
3 years ago

So what? Let’s have a referendum…those who are happy to live with the plague, and get on with our lives…or the rest who can be accommodated in some large prison building somewhere they feel ‘safe’….
Fu** right off!

amanuensis
3 years ago

This mess won’t end until the people in charge accept that their NPI have been worthless and the vaccines have made it worse.

However, if they state that their interventions made things worse there would be mass protests and governments would fall.

Thus we’re stuck with this kind of nonsense.

JaneDoeNL
JaneDoeNL
3 years ago
Reply to  amanuensis

Of course they don’t want to admit their monstrous failings.

Having said that, if there is another lockdown in Western countries, I do think there will be riots. You cannot keep locking people up and telling them to watch Numbflix and stare at the walls for 6 months out of the year, year after year. The boredom and rage will build and with more people getting poorer (and less tax money to pay for police and no weapons because we’ve sent them to Ukraine to be sold on the black market there) it will be unstoppable.

David Beaton
David Beaton
3 years ago
Reply to  JaneDoeNL

Failings? I should have thought they would be celebrating their extraordinary success -everything is going according to plan – as we can tell from, Johnson’s smug look!

(Their greatest success was working with Big Tech to fix the media and censor all counter narrative).

Gates now on track to impose Global “Health ‘ ( sic) Tyranny with Johnson’s full; support!

crisisgarden
3 years ago
Reply to  JaneDoeNL

Numbflix.

TheGreenGoblin
TheGreenGoblin
3 years ago
Reply to  amanuensis

I’m not sure there would be protests. Mass distrust of medicine, maybe.

Politicians have a pretty good cover, after all. Doc told me what to say!

Sforzesca
Sforzesca
3 years ago
Reply to  amanuensis

There may well come a point whereby a critical percentage realise that so many of their jabbed friends/acquaintances are having health problems proximate to the jab, that they make the connection.
TRPTB are doing a good job keeping a lid on things – thus far, – but, the worse things get the worse it will be for them if this happens. All Empires fall. They will be killed.( I can but hope ).
Holding a Tiger by the tail springs to mind…

Gregoryno6
3 years ago

Winter is coming over here. The Australian Medical Association is pleading with us to keep wearing our masks as numbers rocket. Not numbers of deaths, numbers of cases. The usual suspects are getting behind it, of course.
Hi, I’m the Australian media and I’m addicted to bullshit stories featuring Big Scary Numbers.

RedhotScot
3 years ago

The sky’s falling in!!!!!

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amanuensis
3 years ago

SA might have peaked here — but it really is too soon for the wave to have progressed fully — give it until the end of the month (at least).

The big question is where things go in the UK — it looks as though our BA.4/5 wave has just started — will it be a damp squib or a tidal wave… (we’ll know at around the end of June).

JaneDoeNL
JaneDoeNL
3 years ago
Reply to  amanuensis

I read your substack article predicting the June wave.

I’m going to Spain early June and had been hoping they would have lifted all their restrictions by then – they were in force until May 15. I just read a few days ago that the restrictions have been extended to June 15. Friends of mine in Spain have been telling me for a while that a wave has been predicted there for June, so you appear to be in good company. No wave has been predicted here in NL, but as virtually no one is testing anymore, that’s no surprise.

RedhotScot
3 years ago
Reply to  amanuensis

SA might have peaked here

Judging by what?

PCR test’s or symptoms? Contraction in or out of hospital? People dying with or from covid?

Same old BS, same old numbers (500,000 seems a favourite) based on the same old desire to control people.

Capecorona
Capecorona
3 years ago
Reply to  RedhotScot

Positive PCR tests, positivity rate and hospitalization rates all dropping. Minimal increase of ICU and ventilated patients since beginning of ripple. 7 day average deaths about 30 compared to peak of 200+ in omicron wave, although there will be a lag. Vaccination program grinding to a halt.
All metrics much lower than Omicron wave, which in itself was much lower than previous waves.
In other words so far it has been a non event, even though this is our could/cough/flu season.

paulnb
paulnb
3 years ago

Fair suck of the sauce bottle people – Mr Topolover is only advertising for funds for the Scrapp Institute to continue pointless research into ‘vaccines’ that don’t work and are a bit iffy. Hang on, haven’t we already done this?

JaneDoeNL
JaneDoeNL
3 years ago

“Dr. Topol is right that a disease like Covid ought to receive decent funding to find effective treatments and vaccines.” Sorry, what? Are you suggesting the world hasn’t pissed enough money up a wall yet on this virus? I’m not even talking about all the money paid for WFH, track & trace, propaganda – I am talking about the research into treatments and the vaxx. Indeed, we have been told by defenders of the death jab time and again that it is truly super-duper-fabulous precisely because it has had more money and researchers working on it than any other drug in history. Just read his ridiculous statement that he thinks there are 500,000 new cases every day in the US. That would be some 15 million people every month – the fact that we don’t know this because people are not ill, not clogging hospitals and not dropping down dead (would be difficult to hide with the numbers he is claiming), makes it clear that it is not a big concern. Could the lurgi gather strength and come back to get us scoffers? I suppose, but why should we be any more concerned with that than we are with the… Read more »

David Beaton
David Beaton
3 years ago
Reply to  JaneDoeNL

Ivermectin was always available -ask Andrew Hill about it!

RedhotScot
3 years ago

…….and the “real number of cases [in the U.S.] is likely at least 500,000 per day

And just like that, the science was settled.

Smelly Melly
3 years ago

OMG viruses mutate, somebody might diiiiieeeeee! Lets all quadruple mask, have 10 vaccine shots a day and hide behind the sofa because I want to be safe.

BTW can we please send fit young men to go and fight (and potentially get killed) in the Ukraine.