Data From Iceland and Australia Confirm: Vaccine Effectiveness Is Overstated

Back in March, I wrote a post noting that excess mortality data from Europe and Israel were hard to reconcile with claims of 90% vaccine effectiveness against death. However, I also noted that some countries data were consistent with very high vaccine effectiveness against death.

The two examples I gave were Australia and Iceland – both countries with very high vaccination rates. By the end of 2021, each country had double-vaccinated 77% of its population, compared to only 70% in the U.K. and only 63% in the U.S. (see below).

At the time I wrote the post, Iceland had only seen a minor uptick in excess mortality, while Australia had not seen any at all – despite both countries experiencing major outbreaks in the winter/spring of 2022. If countries like Germany, the Netherlands and Israel had seen deadly post-vaccination waves, why hadn’t Iceland and Australia? That was the puzzle.

It appears that ‘puzzle’ is now solved – we just needed to wait for more data. The latest figures from Iceland and Australia show sizeable upticks in excess mortality. First, let’s look at Iceland:

After bouncing around the zero mark for the first two years of the pandemic, excess mortality jumped to 74% in the first week of March. And it has now been above zero for eleven of the last thirteen weeks. Next, let’s consider Australia:

Over the first two years of the pandemic, excess morality averaged roughly zero – dipping lower in the summer and rising higher in the winter. Yet since the start of October, it has been consistently positive, jumping to 26% in the third week of January.

It should be noted: these upticks in excess mortality are not as large as those seen in European countries during 2020 and 2021.

However, they indicate that even very high vaccination rates are not sufficient to prevent mortality from rising when there’s a major outbreak. And they cast further doubt on claims that the vaccines are 90% effective against death. If they were 90% effective against death, excess mortality should hardly have risen at all in Iceland and Australia.

Given that 77% of the entire population was double vaccinated before the latest outbreaks began (and that’s the entire population, not just over 16s), you’d have to believe that excess mortality would have been many, many times higher in the absence of vaccination to rescue the claim of 90% effectiveness against death.

What’s probably true instead is that the vaccines do reduce mortality from Covid – but not by 90%.

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A Heretic
A Heretic
3 years ago

Still missing the point that it’s “vaccination” that’s driving the outbreaks.

David Beaton
David Beaton
3 years ago
Reply to  A Heretic

Of course it is!

paperclip
paperclip
3 years ago
Reply to  A Heretic

That would appear to be the only reasonable hypothesis. Try convincing the Vaccinadoes’ of that though…its like talking to a brick wall: they just don’t get that they have been sold snake oil.

TheGreenGoblin
TheGreenGoblin
3 years ago

It’s possible or even probable that the vaccines reduce mortality from covid for a given covid patient. But a complete analysis must never forget that the vaccines appear to increase the spread of the virus, meaning more get infected and increasing mortality by another route. Unfortunately this is hard to quantify so is conveniently ignored.

And that’s before getting onto the non-covid conditions the shots appear to cause and exacerbate.

NickR
3 years ago
Reply to  TheGreenGoblin

This chart uses the data from the week 13 vaccine surveillance report COVID-19 vaccine surveillance report – week 13 (publishing.service.gov.uk) the last report that used comparative data for the vaccinated & unvaccinated.
Because the data is for cases/hospitalisations/deaths / 100,000 it assumes even populations of vaccinated & unvaccinated & applied the HSA’s data to each cohort. The vaccinated don’t come out well.

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TheyLiveAndWeLockdown
3 years ago
Reply to  NickR

The jabs DID raise all-cause mortality.

Jabberoid666
3 years ago

And I wonder what could have possibly caused this massive spike in deaths among young Americans in Q3 2021?

Paging Dr. Mengle Fauci….

Source: https://www.soa.org/48ff80/globalassets/assets/files/resources/research-report/2022/group-life-covid-19-mortality.pdf

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David Beaton
David Beaton
3 years ago
Reply to  Jabberoid666

When they really get into gear, all this stuff will simply be banned

crisisgarden
3 years ago
Reply to  NickR

I get so angry looking at this. U18 cohort shows identical deaths in vaccinated and unvaccinated (barely any). Meaning every child I’ve watched get ‘vaccinated’ (and that’s a lot) was put at risk for NO REASON WHATSOEVER, other than profit motives or something altogether more sinister. What a disgusting crime against humanity.

sophie123
3 years ago
Reply to  crisisgarden

To go on holiday, for those that I know who were. Can’t have the family ski trip disrupted.

Which was BS anyway as mine managed to ski without being vaccinated. Just had to plan carefully (and be married to someone foolish enough to take the vaccine)

JXB
JXB
3 years ago
Reply to  NickR

‘… the data is for cases/hospitalisations/deaths / 100,000 it assumes even populations of vaccinated & unvaccinated…’

It does not assume, it is predicated on cohort sizes being different and to adjust for that by using the same denominator – thus a rate for each group rather than raw numbers.

JXB
JXB
3 years ago
Reply to  TheGreenGoblin

It’s possible or even probable that the vaccines reduce mortality from covid for a given covid patient.’

’Given’ CoVid patients are average age 82 with one or more comorbidity who will die anyway within a 12 month period.

Sweden all cause mortality is free of non-CoVid deaths caused by CoVid restrictions, so we can see how many additional lives CoVid claimed.

The answer is Swedish all cause mortality is ‘normal’ compared to pre-epidemic years.

That means no additional deaths from CoVid, that means no lives ’saved’ by vaccines, otherwise all cause mortality would be below average and the so-called vaccines would be ‘the elixir of youth’ and would have magical, life-extending properties.

Looking at stats in other Countries we see excess mortality in a number of non-CoVid areas, likely caused by the restrictions. Take those out and excess deaths would probably be like Sweden.

TheGreenGoblin
TheGreenGoblin
3 years ago
Reply to  JXB

I suspect that the vaccines reduce covid mortality in individual patients but increase mortality overall through increasing spread and other non-covid side-effects.

paulnb
paulnb
3 years ago

In Australia in the first 4 months of 2022 we’ve had more cases, more hospitalisations and more deaths than 2020/2021 combined. So much for ‘vaccine’ efficacy. This 95% preventative figure goes way back to Pfizer’s first release of so-called test results and has surely been totally discredited by now. In my small circle of friends and associates 5 men have had major heart/stroke issues shortly after ‘vaccination – but that’s another story

DanClarke
DanClarke
3 years ago
Reply to  paulnb

Gain of Function?

John Dee
3 years ago
Reply to  DanClarke

Heart attacks and strokes must surely qualify as ‘Loss of Function’?

Alter Ego
Alter Ego
3 years ago
Reply to  paulnb

The untold story at the moment – though so many of us are hearing of them; and, like you, at first hand.

Judy Watson
Judy Watson
3 years ago
Reply to  paulnb

That is so very sad to hear.

Cecil B
Cecil B
3 years ago

Who knew

Cecil B
Cecil B
3 years ago
Reply to  Cecil B

I meant WHO knew

Cecil B
Cecil B
3 years ago

Please repeat after me

THERE ARE NO VACCINES

Cecil B
Cecil B
3 years ago
Reply to  Cecil B

I’m self identifying as a ANTIGENETHERAPYER

JXB
JXB
3 years ago
Reply to  Cecil B

Anti-fraud.

John Dee
3 years ago
Reply to  Cecil B

Every time you say you don’t believe in vaccines, a fairy dies somewhere…

Annie
3 years ago

Who says all these excess mortals died of covvie?

Alter Ego
Alter Ego
3 years ago
Reply to  Annie

Indeed.

We need to ask the same questions of Australian data that have been asked of UK date: who is classified as “unvaccinated” at any given point; and what comorbidities were present if death occurs? Are we looking at “with” or “of”?

Alter Ego
Alter Ego
3 years ago
Reply to  Alter Ego

That should have been UK data, of course!

Milo
Milo
3 years ago
Reply to  Alter Ego

I think it is fairly certain in UK that it is “with” and not “of”, but MSM, and BBC in particular, never explains that important distinction to its audience/readership, and likes to strongly give the impression that it is “of”, thereby continuing to terrify the elderly and the vulnerable.

Currently there are apparently shortages of examination invigilators for official examinations because the staff are “afraid of catching covid”. Something which would be the last thing on my mind, but well done the UK government and all who sail in her for creating such a climate of fear among the population.

Alter Ego
Alter Ego
3 years ago
Reply to  Milo

I strongly suspect that is happening Australia, too; along with inflated numbers of “cases” produced by “tests” which have been exposed in study after study.

Ron Smith
Ron Smith
3 years ago
Reply to  Milo

What shame on us….Think D-Day landings. That would never happen now.

Milo
Milo
3 years ago
Reply to  Ron Smith

To me it isn’t so much shame on us, but shame on the government – they created every aspect of this fiasco while refusing to go along with it themselves because they knew it wasn’t necessary. Bears repeating on a regular basis.

JXB
JXB
3 years ago
Reply to  Annie

That’s the reason for using excess mortality all causes, because it doesn’t matter.

The point being that if CoVid were the big killer it is supposed to be and the vaccines the great life-saver they are supposed to be, we would see a definite signal between unvaccinated and non-vaccinated, as CoVid deaths would be in ‘all cause’.

We would also not expect all cause mortality to increase after vaccination programmes in heavily vaccinated populations.

When we do we ask, why?

Milo
Milo
3 years ago
Reply to  Cecil B

Do you get extra WEF points for that?

MikeHaseler
3 years ago

From the moment that the spring epidemic of last year came to a natural end in the UK with no difference in the way it ended between those age groups with and without the jab, I knew the jab was ineffective and that natural immunity was winning the war against covid.

8bit
8bit
3 years ago
Reply to  MikeHaseler

…winning the war against covid.

Slogans never won anything.

LMS2
3 years ago
Reply to  8bit

Using the government’s words against them.

John Dee
3 years ago
Reply to  8bit

‘Loose Lips Need Botox’?

mdtokayer
mdtokayer
3 years ago

The author’s conclusion makes no sense. How does excess mortality translate into any level of vaccine effectiveness? Excess mortality measures all cause mortality, not just deaths from COVID. At best, the only conclusion that can be reached is that there is a strong correlation between excess all cause mortality and the vaccination campaigns. More research is required to prove/disprove causality.

To determine vaccine effectiveness against COVID deaths, we would need to know what percentage of all deaths were from COVID and divided between vaccinated and unvaccinated.

TheyLiveAndWeLockdown
3 years ago
Reply to  mdtokayer

Some things are so obvious they just highlight what people have been told NOT to say.

JXB
JXB
3 years ago
Reply to  mdtokayer

If vaccination is successful we would expect to see no increase in all cause mortality. Doesn’t matter how many were CoVid deaths or not because they would be within the total figure.

If vaccines were effective, all cause mortality would not be in excess, but in populations or groups unvaccinated it would.

DanClarke
DanClarke
3 years ago

For reasons unknown but not hard to figure, the jab was heralded as a miracle cure by the politicians when it appears to be not much different to the flu jab. In fact, if you actually get covid symptoms, they are very similar to flu and similar to winter 2017/18, 2 winters like that and the UK would have reached the covid numbers

David Beaton
David Beaton
3 years ago
Reply to  DanClarke

I think we are perhaps just beginning to see what the reasons possible are….Gates /WHO power grab over our bodies and injections for all for life (whoever short that might be!) anyone?

No-one important
3 years ago

If a surgeon decides to remove a patient’s right leg after discovering that the patient has contracted athlete’s foot, no doubt he will be delighted to be able to record an operational success. What will not be recorded is the deleterious effect on the rest of the patient’s life.

Similarly, any ‘covid’ injection (I refuse to use the word ‘vaccination’) may well have some trifling effect on any variation of any seasonal respiratory disease that is floating about but little is said about probable long term inhibited immune response to other infections, for example.

emel
emel
3 years ago

I only ever refer to the ‘lethal injection’. It tends to shut people up.

tom171uk
3 years ago

The analogy applies equally to the lockdown and mask up policy – does more harm than good.

M
M
3 years ago

There does seem to be something going on in Asia which is mainly highly vaccinated. South Korea is now seeing a surge in all cause mortality of 29%, along with Singapore which hit 31% at the end of last year.
Japan which saw minus excess deaths before vaccines were introduced is suddenly showing a increase of 9%.

https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/excess-mortality-p-scores-projected-baseline?country=~KOR

8bit
8bit
3 years ago
Reply to  M

The ‘something’ likely is, (according to immunologists) vaccine induced immunosuppression, also known as VAIDS. Perhaps the mRNA gene concoction (‘vaccine’) may have f’d up many of the vaxxed’s immune systems so they cannot effectively fight pathogens. Ironically, some pathogens could be covid variant breakouts from the enormous selection pressure the mass vaccination campaign has induced. Someone should ouija board Mary Shelley.

DanClarke
DanClarke
3 years ago

Gain-of-function (GOF) research involves experimentation that aims or is expected to (and/or, perhaps, actually does) increase the transmissibility and/or virulence of pathogens. Such research, when conducted by responsible scientists, usually aims to improve understanding of disease causing agents, their interaction with human hosts, and/or their potential to cause pandemics. 

LMS2
3 years ago
Reply to  DanClarke

And when these enhanced pathogens escape from the labs, they have all the potential for causing a pandemic that would not otherwise have happened.
There is not good reason for the gain-of-function research. It’s impossible to predict what natural pathogens will suddenly become dangerous, as there are billions of them, mutating all the time.
The research is dangerous and highly irresponsible. They’re nothing more than bioweapons that are being developed, with the aim of wiping out or severely reducing populations.
They’re of the same level of research as using beagles, with their vocalcords removed so they can’t vocalise their pain, to see how many sandflies it takes to kill them and how quickly. Also being funded by a certain Dr.Fauci.

sobers
sobers
3 years ago

What’s probably true instead is that the vaccines do reduce mortality from Covid – but not by 95%.”

Hang on a minute. What the facts show is entirely consistent with the concepts of vaccines being very effective against covid deaths, but also creating non-covid deaths as well, from reactions to the vaccines themselves, and perhaps by making people more likely to catch other respiratory viruses too. Now I’m not saying the vaccines are necessarily 95% effective, but the evidence you’ve shown doesn’t contradict that possibility. On the evidence given vaccines could be saving covid patients lives, but killing lots of others who would otherwise have survived in the absence of a vaccine. The facts of excess all cause mortality deaths AND high vaccine effectiveness against covid deaths are not mutually exclusive.

TheyLiveAndWeLockdown
3 years ago
Reply to  sobers

Or Jabs merely mask SARS2 symptoms and raise the risk of death.

John Dee
3 years ago
Reply to  sobers

The data seem to suggest that, even if they do reduce the likelihood of death (which for most age cohorts is astonishingly low) the later suppression of natural immunity means a greater likelihood of getting covid. For those to whom it’ll likely be fatal, the old and vulnerable, that’s not a good feature. And it does make a nonsense of the 95% effective shtick.

artfelix
3 years ago

However, they indicate that even very high vaccination rates are not sufficient to prevent mortality from rising when there’s a major outbreak.

Its rather more than that though, isn’t it? The excess mortality rises after vaccination. In all cases. I think there might be a different conclusion to draw than that the vaccine is simply ineffective.

Ron Smith
Ron Smith
3 years ago

“Gove to tackle Russian dirty money” on Talk TV. That’s fine, then can we tackle western oligarchs, like the massive transfer of wealth from taxpayers to Big Pharma with their gene editing jabs

rtj1211
rtj1211
3 years ago
Reply to  Ron Smith

Well don’t expect Gove to do it: he takes his orders from the Americans right now.

TheyLiveAndWeLockdown
3 years ago
Reply to  Ron Smith

Why not just ALL dirty money?

Nope London’s unaffordable housing (and thus establishment benefits) depends on ignoring money laundering.

John Dee
3 years ago
Reply to  Ron Smith

Funny how it was entirely acceptable dirty money until the Ukraine thing.

JaneDoeNL
JaneDoeNL
3 years ago

I still find the claim that the vaxx does anything of much use difficult to substantiate. As Amanuensis has pointed out several times, any data looking at VE tend to end at or well before 60 days, whereas it is increasingly looking like whatever protection the vaxx might provide, merely seems to dampen symptoms rather than eliminate the virus (as appears to also be the case with pfisser’s paxlovid). In addition, a point never mentioned, is the simple fact that as time went on, health care providers learned better what worked and what did not. I believe the use of standard steroids (initially advised against, oddly enough) was a game changer, as was the realisation that covid was also a blood disease. In NL in 2021 more people were kept out of hospital, not because there were fewer serious patients, but because a protocol had been set up to treat the seriously ill at home through their GPs/district nurses with steroids, oxygen and telemonitoring. This was a protocol not used in the first wave. Similar treatments and protocols must have been used in other countries around the same time, so it is disingenuous to categorically claim it was the vaxx… Read more »

LMS2
3 years ago
Reply to  JaneDoeNL

because a protocol had been set up to treat the seriously ill at home through their GPs/district nurses with steroids, oxygen and telemonitoring”

Not in the UK.
I was on the phone daily asking for medication for my OH, and nothing was available for at-home treatment, e.g. dexamethasone. There were a few drugs available, but only in the very early stages of infection, when the symptoms weren’t that severe. Dexamethasone, oxygen, antibiotics were only available in hospital, when someone is seriously ill and in danger of dying. Until that point nothing except paracetamol, and nothing that would keep someone out of hospital.

Rogerborg
3 years ago

What’s probably true instead is that the vaccines do reduce mortality from Covid

Why would you think that’s probable? Because Pfizer said so?

The pattern appears to be the same in every country:

  1. Total deaths remain steady or rise only very slightly, despite cries of “Worst pandemic ever! Must vaccinate!”
  2. Mass “vaccination” occurs.
  3. Total deaths surge, “despite” the vaccines.

Correlation is not causation, and post hoc does not mean propter hoc, but that’s a hell of a lot of correlation and post hoccing to explain away.

TheGreenGoblin
TheGreenGoblin
3 years ago
Reply to  Rogerborg

UKHSA data consistently showed lower rates of vaccinated people dying from covid. It is far from perfect evidence but it’s not simple to rebut it either.

artfelix
3 years ago
Reply to  TheGreenGoblin

A part of that is the artefact of people who contracted Covid within 14 days of the jab being counted as unvaccinated. It’s well established that the immune system is somewhat suppressed immediately after the jab, so this is probably a significant number of sick people who wouldn’t have been sick without the jab and who are then contributing to the stats for unvaccinated hospitalisation.

Regardless of that, the only true measure of impact is excess mortality. It matters little if the jab protects you from Covid if it makes you equally or more likely to die from something else in the process.

Time and again we see a direct correlation between vaccine uptake and excess mortality. Something smells bad, and in a sane world a lot more would be being done to understand what it is that stinks.

TheGreenGoblin
TheGreenGoblin
3 years ago
Reply to  artfelix

Yep. As long as it’s not properly looked at those in power and influence can keep telling themselves there’s no problem.

LMS2
3 years ago
Reply to  TheGreenGoblin

Doesn’t/didn’t the UKHSA data show that one jab gave better protection than none, but the second jab gave little better protection than being unvaccinated, and the third jab was the charm, with people more likely to end up in hospital or dying than the rest?

TheGreenGoblin
TheGreenGoblin
3 years ago
Reply to  LMS2

Certainly a not-very-reassuring mixed bag. I believe the death effectiveness of the (strongly recommended) triple jab only turned negative just as they pulled the stats.

Doom Slayer
3 years ago

What was the effectiveness based on? Trial data. Pfizer managed to reduce the covid deaths from 2 to 1 with the jab in the trial. Statistically irrelevant in a trial of 40k. They claimed this as being 100% effective. They also managed to induce more overall mortality and a 5x increase in heart related deaths. I have seen the data from an ivermectin trial which deaths were 9 in placebo and 3 in ivermectin arm. This was deemed to be statitically irrelevant. Lots of tricks have been used. Misattributing vaccine deaths into the unjabbed non covid deaths stats by using the 2-3 week before classified as jabbed (same with ‘cases’). Delaying death reporting and then using the vaccine uptake stats at point of death reporting and not at point of infection. This can massively affect rates comparisons. Consistently underestimating the unjabbed population which will have a big effect on rates in unjabbed. They have no idea how many people are really in the country. I would not be suprised if they are overestimating the jabbed pop as well (such as including people who never turned up). All cause mortality data analysis (eg by Fenton) has shown no statistically relevant overall… Read more »

ImpObs
3 years ago

The results of their own trials, the source of the 95% effectiveness claims, was calculated on a relative risk reduction, if you use their own numbers, the absolute risk reduction was 0.84%.

So yeah, the 95% effective claim was always overstated.

By the time those numbers came out, I’d read the scientific papers on the original SARs mRNA vaccine research, the one where all the humanized mice died from multiple organ failure seemed pertinant enough to avoid the risk all together. That provided enough time to research further, by which time it became clear the new mRNA vax produced cytotoxic spike protein, thanks but no thanks.

7 funerals (5 via zoom) and many horror stories from my family and friends later, you couldn’t pay me enough to take the deaths jabs, I’d rather risk sitting it out in gaol. In a just world, it’s a situation those pushing the vaccines should be facing right about now.

BurlingtonBertie
3 years ago
Reply to  ImpObs

The 95% effectiveness claim from their trials was the manipulated claim. The data release from early this month showed that the real RRR effectiveness against infection was 12% for 7 days! This then dropped to below 1% so ARR was 0.01%

Phil Shannon
3 years ago

On 28 April, the Australian Bureau of Statistics realeased its all-cause mortality statistics for January 2022 which found that, in Australia, all-cause deaths were 22.1% higher than the historical average (15,805 deaths in January, some 2,865 higher than the historical January baseline average). The ABS claims that Covid deaths were the second leading cause of death (after cancer). In Australia, 89% of the entire population aged five and over are double jabbed and 65% of people aged 16 and over are triple jabbed so how come Covid is now the second most common cause of death in Australia, given the religious embrace of the miracle Pharma juice that was supposed to stop all the Covid mortality mayhem? There are two possible interpretations: (a) If we take the ‘Covid deaths’ figures at face value, that clearly means that the vaxxes don’t work and are, in fact, increasing the susceptibility to death by Covid. (b) If we are sceptical of the Covid deaths data (as we should be given that the ABS religiously adheres to the WHO’s inflationary definition for a Covid death) then clearly something else is causing deaths to spike. Wonder what that could be, as Australia’s booster program rolled out from… Read more »

BeBopRockSteady
3 years ago
Reply to  Phil Shannon

That country has gone off the deep end.

Alter Ego
Alter Ego
3 years ago

A good number of our politicians have – thank God, not all of them. I hope those who’ve had the guts to stand up against this rubbish, in the face of the sneers of the media, are rewarded at the election next Saturday.

The worst two (I think G6 and Phil would agree) have been the Premiers of Victoria and Western Australia – egos swollen by unusually large majorities in their last state elections.

Alter Ego
Alter Ego
3 years ago
Reply to  Phil Shannon

AHPRA has effectively silenced an entire profession. I know doctors who are afraid, with good reason, that if they share their doubts and concerns with patients they will be reported by those who choose to inform.

It should not be forgotten that those very high rates of “vaccination” have been produced by mandates, or the fear of mandates.

Relatives and friends who were deeply suspicious of the jabs and swore they would never have them found themselves forced to reconsider, as they faced unemployment. One chose to lose his job – with serious consequences; others angrily submitted. Those who did, do not want to talk about the jabs. They just hope they’ll be okay.

Another friend submitted after what she described as “bullying” from her boss and the fear that she would lose her job. She collapsed after the second shot with heart issues (an erratic ECG). In the end, her workplace did not mandate the injections.

Milo
Milo
3 years ago
Reply to  Alter Ego

That last para is tragic.

Alter Ego
Alter Ego
3 years ago
Reply to  Gregoryno6

Bravo to Port Hedland, doubtless responding to the concerns of the local community.

For those who don’t know, Port Hedland is a very important mining centre – and those involved in WA’s mining industry are amongst those who have been mandated.

The suffering inflicted by these mandates, wherever they are, is terrible: families divided, breadwinners anguished.

As for AHPRA, which implements registration and accreditation for health practitioners throughout Australia, they have caused great distress to good and caring people.

Gregoryno6
3 years ago
Reply to  Alter Ego

There have been a few post-vax deaths in the mining industry. So far none occurred while the victim was operating heavy machinery – I’d call that luck rather than good management.

Alter Ego
Alter Ego
3 years ago
Reply to  Gregoryno6

I saw footage of a public meeting held in the Busselton area, where a lot of FIFO workers live.

Busselton special electors meeting Feb 21 2022 – newsR VIDEO

So many there knew of people with vax injuries of some description.

Gregoryno6
3 years ago
Reply to  Alter Ego

Thanks Alt, I’ll have a look at that.
I’m trying to get another Lockdownunder Update ready before voting day, but Masky is such a rich source of material…
Have a look at this! From just two years ago. When the Liberal suggested lockdown…
https://twitter.com/hashtagyouwish/status/1487212644696084482

Mac57
3 years ago
Reply to  Phil Shannon

Interesting take by NYT on how Australia was a shining light in its actions compared to the USA. Prepping us all for more of the same?
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/05/15/world/australia/covid-deaths.html

Gregoryno6
3 years ago
Reply to  Mac57

Bugger, it’s paywalled!

A Y M
3 years ago

You must be joking? THATS the conclusion you come to?
You still think it’s Covid causing the excess deaths.

”Neo, you think that’s air you’re breathing?”

David Beaton
David Beaton
3 years ago

“Overstated”?

Just like the impact of nuclear weapons is now ‘over-rated then?

crisisgarden
3 years ago

Deliberate depopulation looks more and more like an explanation with every passing day.

David Beaton
David Beaton
3 years ago
Reply to  crisisgarden

Yes …with every passing day and new revelations of their dark plans to silence us and screw (or inject) us into the ground.

crisisgarden
3 years ago
Reply to  David Beaton

I can’t make any other explanation fit. It’s way beyond malfeasance or the pursuit of profit. It looks like a deliberate attempt to weakening and thin the species.

Alter Ego
Alter Ego
3 years ago
Reply to  crisisgarden

It may be that motives are mixed. For some, the pursuit of profit with complete contempt for human life would suffice.

But there is evidence that there are those who believe the world’s population needs to be reduced; that they are serious about it; and that they are emotionally, financially and politically capable of carrying their ideas into effect.

Milo
Milo
3 years ago
Reply to  crisisgarden

Remember the days when we first read Mike Yeadon’s posts and thought he might have lost it a bit and was over egging the pudding slightly?

Alter Ego
Alter Ego
3 years ago
Reply to  crisisgarden

The figures confirm the impression many of us have noted: more people we know dying. Of those I know or have heard about from those close to them, not one died of or even with Covid. It’s heart issues, again and again.

Ron Smith
Ron Smith
3 years ago
Reply to  Alter Ego

Heard on BBC Wales this morning they’re going to raise awareness of how to spot heart issues with Athletes and people who do intense exercises.
How dumb do they think we are.

Milo
Milo
3 years ago
Reply to  Ron Smith

You beat me to it. Sport, something which for everyone is a healthy thing, is now being demonised because they dare not even consider the possibility that it is the injected athletes with the heart problems.

wonder if the study they trumpet has 2 classes of athletes – jabbed and unjabbed? – Bet it doesn’t!

ebygum
3 years ago

Question……are all these assumptions based on some kind of modeling?
If so surely the fact that millions of people who would never have been hospitalised or would not have died from the infection, but we’re vaccinated anyway, would severely skew the findings?
If I vaccinate a hundred people knowing only one of them will actually die from the disease, and one does die…do I call that vaccine effective?
I appreciate I might well be missing something?

JXB
JXB
3 years ago

Can we please get that 95% effective number into context. It invites people to infer that vaccinated you run a risk of only 5% of getting CoVid – that sounds good doesn’t it? Except if it were a vaccine (that is an inoculum which gives immunity to a specific disease caused by a specific pathogen) then risk of getting CoVid would be near zero. The question to ask is what is the risk of getting CoVid unvaccinated. According to Pfizer it is 0.88% – that is the number of symptomatic subjects who tested PCR positive in the placebo group divided by the number in the group x 100. 0.88% then is the Absolute Risk. So unvaccinated risk is less than 1%, vaccinated risk is 5% – that can’t be right can it? The risk of getting CoVid in the group with active ingredient was 0.04%. So subtracting 0.04% from 0.88% = 0.84% – this is the Absolute Risk Reduction. 0.84% is 95% of 0.88%, so the Relative Risk Reduction = 95%. In fact the absolute ‘effectiveness’ of the vaccine is less than 1% which doesn’t sound as good as 95% particularly when the risk without vaccination is less than 1%.… Read more »

thorsteinn@sjonarrond.is
thorsteinn@sjonarrond.is
3 years ago

It might be added here that in Iceland only a third of the excess mortality might possibly be explained by Covid, based on the number of deaths with Covid in this period.

ebygum
3 years ago

https://www.thenationalnews.com/world/asia/2022/05/03/india-supreme-court-overturns-mandatory-covid-19-vaccination-policy/

India’s top court on Monday ruled that no person can be forced to get vaccinated and the constitution gives everyone the right to refuse vaccination in a milestone judgement on the country’s Covid-19 policy.
The Supreme Court directed Prime Minister Narendra Modi’s government to publish reports on adverse effects caused by vaccines on a publicly accessible system.

civilliberties
3 years ago

it does make me wonder with all these jabs how this has impacted employment and some businesses being short staffed due to sickness etc. You do tend to see some jobs struggling to hire which should be impossible considering there are many millions needing work, does make you wonder.

John Dee
3 years ago

There’s an interesting table in Our World In Data that shows relative change in excess mortality, country by country, for the period 5 Jan 2020 to April 21 2022, using the 5-year average as a baseline. If you click on the column header for Absolute Change and sort for descending order, you see some interesting figures.
Considering the horror stories about UK covid deaths for the last two years, one might be surprised to see that we outperformed (had lower change in excess deaths than) every European country except for Sweden, Cyprus and Poland.
Interesting that it has not been reported in our ‘enjoying-the-pandemic’ MSM?
Amusingly, Krankie’s lockdown/mask-up Scotland did worse than the UK average by some margin…

https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/excess-mortality-p-scores-average-baseline?tab=table&country=GTM~PRT~GBR~DEU~FRA~GRC~ISR~SWE~ITA~USA~RUS~NZL~AUS