Covid Vaccines Significantly Less Effective in People With Severe Obesity, Study Suggests
People with severe obesity generate a significantly weaker immune response to COVID-19 vaccination compared to those with normal weight, but the previously infected do not have this problem, a study has found. The study was conducted by Professor Volkan Demirhan Yumuk from Istanbul University and colleagues and was presented at the European Congress on Obesity in the Netherlands last week. SciTechDaily has more.
Obesity is a disease complicating the course of COVID-19, and the SARS-CoV-2 vaccine antibody response in adults with obesity may be compromised. Vaccines against influenza, hepatitis B, and rabies, have shown reduced responses in people with obesity…
Researchers measured antibody levels in blood samples taken from patients and normal weight controls who had received two doses of either the Pfizer/BioNTech or CoronaVac [Sinovac] vaccine and had their second dose four weeks earlier. The participants were classified by infection history as either previously having COVID-19 or not (confirmed by their antibody profile)…
In those without previous SARS-CoV-2 infection and vaccinated with Pfizer/BioNTech, patients with severe obesity had antibody levels more than three times lower than normal weight controls (average 5,823 vs 19,371 AU/ml).
Similarly, in participants with no prior SARS-CoV-2 infection and vaccinated with CoronaVac, patients with severe obesity had antibody levels 27 times lower than normal weight controls (average 178 vs 4,894 AU/ml).
However, in those with previous SARS-CoV-2 infection, antibody levels in patients with severe obesity and vaccinated with Pfizer/BioNTech or CoronaVac were not significantly different from normal weight controls (average 39,043 vs 14,115 AU/ml and 3,221 vs 7,060 AU/ml, respectively).
With obesity a major predictor of serious disease and death in Covid patients, that’s not good news for vaccine efficacy.
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I’m just a layman but it has always seemed to me that the key difference between covid and very bad colds/flu was the immune system overreaction it causes in a small number of unlucky people. If there had been less panic, I think focusing on how to identify them and focusing on treating that specific aspect, and developing a vaccine or some other similar preventative therapy that made that overreaction much less likely or mitigated it, would have been a more sensible approach – always bearing in mind that you don’t want a “vaccine” to trigger that response in the susceptible.
Do you remember at the start how it was declared ‘by the experts’ that because blood oxygen levels dropped so low that patients needed to be put on ventilators?
Large numbers that were put on ventilators and lots died, only proving to the big brain Doctors how deadly the covids were.
Then the medics had a terrible dilemma, they didn’t have enough ventilators for all those with low blood oxygen from the covids.
So the medics had to decide who they would try to save with ventilators and who they would leave to die without the ventilators.
Now after a few weeks of leaving people to die the big brain Doctors noticed that the people they left to die got better and the ones they put on ventilators died at incredibly high rates and so they stopped using the ventilators.
This is why the news cycle went from nothing but talk of ventilators to no mention of them over night.
So as is so very often the case it was the medics and their actions that killed lots of people, if those they ventilated in the early days had been left alone most would have survived.
I assume that JCB still got paid for not producing all those ventilators that we ordered though.
Didn’t Mrs JCB sub Johnson’s fancy lockdown deli lunches via the back door at Number 10?
Comment of the Day Award.
Are you allowed to say all this?It looks far too much like the “truth ‘ we are no longer permitted to mention to me!
“Truth” across the world on all subjects ( especially medical) that dare no longer speak its name.
Adding oxygen through use of ventilator caused a REDOX reaction and that seems to be what killed people. Oxygen made it much worse. I can’t find the report (I must improve my filing).
I wrote a feature story on an Alabama couple who I am convinced both had Covid in December 2019 (both later tested positive for antibodies, the wife three times). The article (linked below) was completely ignored by the world press, but I still think it’s incredibly important for a number of reasons, one of which is “lessons” from patient placed on ventilators. Tim McCain had a severe form of COVID, was hospitalized for 24 days, and nearly died several times as early as January 3rd, 2020. If he had died, he would have been the first (known) Covid death in the world. Another “newsworthy” feature of my article (in my opinion) is the fact that Tim was treated before quarantine protocols had been implemented. Because of this, his wife could check on him every day, many times a day … which is what she did. She literally never left the hospital for 28 days (she slept at the hospital while her husband was in critical condition in a CCU unit). Tim McCain WAS put on a ventilator the day after he was admitted to the hospital. However, he was also put on the ECMO devise at the same time. If… Read more »
One more point about the Covid cases of Tim and Brandie McCain …. Tim was rushed to a Birmingham, Alabama hospital on the morning of January 3rd. The hospital he was transferred to happened to be one of the very few in Alabama that offered ECMO. His doctors put him on this device almost immediately. Before this procedure, they called the family together and said, “Prepare for the worst.” Like his wife, I am certain that this saved Tim’s life. If he was at a hospital without ECMO, he would have only been put on a ventilator and almost certainly would have died. To the world and his family, he would have been just another strange death from pneumonia or a terrible reaction to the flu. But what he really would have been was a legitimate Covid death (arguably the first in the world). But nobody would have ever known. I still wonder about all the people who DID die in December or January and their deaths were attributed to pneumonia or some other co-morbid condition. This number may not be big, but I am convinced there ARE Americans who died from COVID before the Wuhan outbreak. Of course, 99-plus… Read more »
I think you very well may be right and if you are, this is a massive (unreported of course) scandal. Your point is really this: The response to Covid – the treatment most hospitalized patients received (at least in the early weeks of the official pandemic) CAUSED many deaths. We probably won’t know what percentage of “Covid deaths” could have been prevented, but the number is probably significant. I also think we would learn that a disproportionate percentage of “Covid deaths” happened at big-city, public hospitals that treat the poor. This was the case in America in NY City, Detroit and New Orleans. It is also worth noting that these patients were isolated from their loved ones due to quarantine protocols so there was no loved one advocating for them or questioning these treatment decisions. The other big group of early Covid victims – up to 50 percent – were among nursing home residents who bounced back and forth from hospitals to their nursing homes. I think the Covid deaths from late March through April 2020 are inflated by these patient and treatment dynamics. What percentage of deaths could not or maybe would not have happened is unknown. Here’s a… Read more »
It is looking very likely that Covid was circulating throughout 2019 and we didn’t see much of a change in deaths, and there were no excess deaths in the end in 2020.
Deaths started to go up when a panic was declared and people sent packing to care homes.
If we had said ‘oops there has been a leak of a biological weapon but it was 12 months ago and we have mostly survived fine’ then we would have not needed lockdown or vaccines or masks.
I can’t think why that wasn’t what happened…
There is a very interesting interview with a Doctor who explains that at the start of the declared pandemic not much death was taking place in Germany because there policy was to do nothing because doing something when you are uncertain is so often wrong.
He made the point that the Beligans were ventilating people as fast as they could whilst loading them up with highly toxic anti virals and highly toxic antibiotics, their death rate was huge the Germans who shared a border with them saw nothing unusual at the same time.
https://odysee.com/@drsambailey:c/pcr-pandemic-interview-with-virus-mania:9
Thanks for posting this. I’m still researching my “early spread” hypothesis. The main counter-argument to this theory is that there would have been impossible-to-miss numbers of deaths if the virus had been spreading widely, say, beginning in November 2019. So I need to come up with a good response to this fair critique. (The main one is that people were dying, especially the elderly, but these deaths were just attributed to pneumonia or some other reason. There is evidence in some states’ mortality data that shows a small but obvious spike in “excess deaths” especially in populations 70 and older, which is where you would expect to see these deaths). And, I am developing the point others are making, e.g. that the big “spike” in deaths beginning in late March and really exploding in April was, in part, caused by treatments that CAUSED these deaths. Counter-intuitively, this spike would have been much smaller if not for the panic and over-reaction.
Hydroxychloroquine is a immune system regulator and had been proven to work against sars1 and mers, if used correctly. But the fda/cdc basically confiscated as much as they could in the states and banned it from being used.
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Funny yo should mention it – Gates said recently Hydroxychloroquine is all nonsense and rubbish and fake medicine cooked up by cranks and ‘anti-vaxxers’ – who believes him, on this or any other matter?
Now , what about the ‘banned ‘Ivermectin that saved so many lives in India?
Where is the hard objective evidence that Gates’ sponsored vacines have save any lives at all – on the contrary we know for sure from Coroners’ reports that far too many people have died soon after accepting the jab!
What has Gates got to say about that?
He cant. He goes into “does not compute” mode when asked a tricky question he’s not been scripted with. What a great “health expert” he is! I take HCQ daily for my RA. Haven’t even had a sniffle this last two years and yet I was told I was “extremely, clinically vulnerable” when they tried to push the stabs on me! 🙄 No stabs, no naps, no hand gloop, no nothing! Just taking VitD and C daily, trying to stay healthy. But what do I or any of us, know, eh?
Good points.
Interestingly, the NHS diagnosed me with an auto-immune condition some eight years ago, but it hasn’t stopped them pestering me to get the jabs. It’s almost as if they don’t know what they’re doing 😐
And also interestingly, in the last 4-5 years, almost everyone I meet has been diagnosed with some sort of auto-immune condition…
Or…they do know what they are doing?
I had a serious autoimmune condition many years ago, now in remission. Would love to find out whether the risk of the jabs for me is more or less than the risk of covid, but I doubt that information exists anywhere. Too many lies.
There are many incidences of conditions that were in remission resurfacing ( I recommend the Stephanie Seneff et at article but not to be read if you are of a sensitive disposition) and we know that covid can be treated with medicines other than injections, so if it was me I know which side I would be erring on.
I don’t fully understand how the jabs work, but wouldn’t a bigger person need a bigger dose to get the same effect.
Does the vaccine even penetrate a very very fat arm?
I gather the rather-speedily-trained army of jabbers were/are often guilty of not aspirating (drawing the plunger back up temporarily to check there is no blood, i.e. making sure they aren’t injecting into the bloodstream).
I wouldn’t be surprised if the same jabbers don’t even know they haven’t got through the fat layer to the muscle….
I hear the unvaccinated in New Zealand have been sent letters threatening a 15k fine or 6 months in Prison if they don’t get the clot shot before June.
Where do you hear that? I’ve seen the usual fakery doing the rounds in the usual places.
Looked like Health Ministry according to this video
2:02:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iSxr0AWaAAU&t=120s
Unlikely. Air New Zealand has just dropped its requirement for passengers to be vaccinated.
Now have to be ginger and carry an unsanitary towel
Will Daily Skeptic ever stop feeding the narrative of the rogue nanoparticle ?
They don’t appear to work well in people who are not obese.
A Bit of Context Needed.
Somebody has to say it. “Less Effective” “work” – the whole issue surrounding this report is what do those words mean?
What does “less effective” when discussing the covid injection mean?
We all know, because the PM let the cat out of the bag, that they don’t stop you getting covid they don’t stop you passing it on.
The WHO has now watered down “effectiveness” to such a degree that all a covid jab is going to do is stop you being “hospitalised” (if you are lucky). They are not vaccines – they don’t vaccinate anyone against anything – at most they can be considered to be a kind of ‘medical treatment’ which attenuates the severity of the illness you are likely to get.
That measly level of “effectiveness” has to be set against the russian roulette type gamble people are being asked to make in terms of the possible harms they might be in line for when they get a covid jab.
And now they are trying to use recipients’ levels of obesity as an excuse to justify the fact that they don’t really work like they promised people. Utterly pathetic.
Boris Johnson on boosters – YouTube
“the PM let the cat out of the bag, that they don’t stop you getting covid they don’t stop you passing it on.”
Does that mean that after a few months they are actually effective?
(double negative is a positive)
Tell us something we don’t know.
See, fat is your friend, keeping you safe from clot shot effects, I’m off for more cake.
I have now come to the conclusion the covid vaxxes are truly miracle drugs. It has been known for well over a year that they are not as effective in the elderly and immunocompromised – the two primary groups most at risk. We now hear they are not that effective in the obese, the next group most at risk. They have been forced upon the young and healthy who never needed them, in contravention of fundamental rights and causing injury and death in people who would not have suffered from the virus. To top it off, they do not stop infection or transmission – indeed, would appear to assist and accelerate the latter. Yet nevertheless, the pokes continue, 3, now 4, heading for 5. Yet nevertheless the money keeps rolling in for the pharma companies that withheld important information – pfisser’s trial data, the fact that viral vector vaxxes came with a known risk of blood clots, the fact that viral vector vaxxes are normally monitored to make sure the virus does not regain the ability to replicate/recombine with another virus. Despite the stellar failure of these vaxxes from any perspective, they are still being pushed and are still raking… Read more »
‘Effective’ or not – and how much less ‘effective’and more dangerous can they get? – our Government and all other European and Western Governments are determined to keep jabbing them into people regardless of the consequences and penalising those who don’t accept them.
So what is their real agenda and WHO exactly is driving it? Is it all explained in his new book being flogged by his mate Tedros?
(Sceptical, gravating towards cynical)
My hairdresser (who looks normal) said to me, after catching covid, that he was convinced, had he not been vaccinated several times, he would probably have died. So there you are, more evidence that trusting the science definitely works for some people. I can understand the government wanting to get rid of the hundreds of millions of left over vaccines (which aren’t). I assume they can’t be returned for a refund or sold on, but are they now implying that larger doses are required for larger people?
Weeks ago I provided a link to a story from Australia about a man who contracted COVID while a patient in a hospital (presumably from vaccinated healthcare workers). The man was vaccinated himself and even Australian officials admit that the vaccines caused blood clots that caused doctors to amputate one of his legs. The purpose of the story was to highlight the fact that this man was eligible for a – drum roll please – $15,000 payment to compensate him for this injury.
The kicker to the story is that the man still credits the vaccine with saving his life. So …. Even a man who was vaccinated – and lost his leg because of this – and probably contracted the virus from vaccinated healthcare workers – is still pro-vaccine.
As they say, you can’t make this stuff up.
What’s clear to me is that the vaccines don’t do a thing.
Old/frail people sadly fell in greater numbers (just) than normal flu first time around. Other deaths were fiddled to make it look like covid caused them.
Morbidly obese people died (like they do of flu) because, well, they’re too fat and have trouble breathing.
So once we had a clearout we were left with smaller numbers of people dying which were attributed to the miracle of the vaccine. Yet there is no evidence that there is any difference to the death rate with or without this intervention. Very old and very fat people still die.
The lessons we need to take from this pandemic are
3. Don’t believe a word of what the government, the MSM, the profiteering medical establishment and mega rich individuals with God complexes tell you. Most especially when they all tell you the same thing.
They are definitely doing something, stopping the population from ever reaching herd immunity. Eventually the the virus will mutate to fully bypass the vaccine, then the shit hits the fan.
This is hardly a surprise, given that vast numbers of those who got Covid19 the disease (as opposed to being healthy PCR positive) were obese.
I’ve seen studies that say that 60 percent of severe cases were among the clinically obese.
The best way to have saved lives was for people to lose a lot of weight.
I think that as the injections didn’t work anyway that this is good news for those who weigh a bit more, could mean they are less likely to suffer from adverse effects of the injection.
‘People with severe obesity generate a significantly weaker immune response to COVID-19 vaccination compared to those with normal weight’
A clever excuse for making a shit product when 89% of Americans are fat as ferk and 78% of Brits are the same.
We have known that Covid was serious only for the very old and very fat from the start. No surprise that vaccines would be less-effective for the fat as well
Sorry but how can they be less than “not effective at all”? Every single person I know who has been vaccinated has since had the dreaded lurgy. None of them had it prior to that.
Er, they can & do make you more likely to catch any disease, go to hospital with said condition, die from said condition, all due to the wonders of an impaired immune system and/or Original Antigenic Sin.
Obesity increasing the risk of infections, and evidently reducing the effectiveness of various drugs (including the new one) is not real news. Reminded me of the issue when Bo Jo was an inpatient in London, and someone “accidentally” broadcast his body mass index; it didn’t sound very nice – he must have a good tailor to disguise it, I thought!
😂😂😂😂efficacy wanes over a very short time, like two months in most people. Then it actually goes into a negative efficacy and that is when all the triple jabbed had the pleasure of getting covid since the start of the year. Fun times.
According to the stats in the US 78% of people who died from covid were obese. Some called it the disease of the obese
So the jabs work fairly well for a short time on people who don’t really need them.
And work less well on those who do.
Pretty damn useless then. And we’ve wasted £billions on them.
Oh, for goodness sake, it’s the other way round. Obese people are more likely to be affected by Covid, this we know as fact. We know the jabs have made little or no difference to anyone catching covid, probably little or no difference to the outcome, and have certainly harmed thousands upon thousands worldwide. If we accept this ‘obesity’ theory then we fail to notice that this is a backdoor attempt by someone to justify the jabs.
Could you guys please stop posting gibberish like this?
We know the jabs are not vaccines, so what are you talking about?
It doesn’t make you look very smart, you know?