The Foegen Effect: Why Face Masks Increase the Death Rate of COVID-19
There follows a guest post by Dr. Zacharias Fögen, whose new (peer-reviewed) paper in Medicine describes how face masks increase the death rate of COVID-19.
It took a long time, but my study on masks has finally appeared in the prestigious journal Medicine. What is my study about?
It is about whether masks decrease case fatality from COVID-19 (because less viral material is transmitted) or increase it. Increase sounds illogical? Ask yourself if you would wear the mask of a Covid patient. You probably wouldn’t, otherwise you could become infected by inhaling the viruses he or she breathed into the mask.
My study, based on the U.S. state of Kansas, provides the answer: case mortality was significantly lower in counties without mandatory masks. Mandatory masking increased case mortality there by 85%. Even after factoring in the reduced number of cases due to masks, the numbers still remain 52% higher. Over 95% of this effect can only be attributed to COVID-19, so it is not CO2, bacteria or fungi under the mask.
The reason for this is what I call the Foegen effect: deep re-inhalation of condensed droplets or pure virions which were trapped in the mask as droplets can worsen the prognosis. Each of these steps has been documented in the literature.
This effect has now even been demonstrated in animal models. Further studies in humans comparing mask versus helmet or nasal tube show the same result.
Two other, even larger evaluations show the same effect on the case fatality rate. A peer-reviewed study in the journal Cureus shows that there is no association between mask compliance and case numbers in Europe, but there is a statistically significant positive association between mask compliance and deaths. This means: more mask use, same number of cases, but more deaths.
A peer-reviewed study by Adjodah et. al. analyses the effect of mask mandates on cases and mortality (but not case fatality rate) in the USA on a pre-post-basis, and finds that after the lifting of a mask mandate, cases rise but mortality does not, which effectively means that lifting a mask mandate lowers the case fatality rate. Conversely, the implementation of a mask mandate increases case fatality rate.
My study is open access and you can find it here – the PDF version (available via the download button in the left bar) is particularly recommended for its helpful layout.
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The were lots of reasons masks were not recommended. I wonder if anyone knows when China started scaling up for the mass production that has resulted here.
The same day they were given the date to release the virus?
I think you will find that the 2019 “war games” in Wuhan is where the Yanks released the virus, after all, it was them that had all the patents for the vaccines in place and the scambag gates and Fowel-Chi had already arranged the plandemic.
As important as the face mask issue is where are the reports regarding the absolute cull that took place because the medics intubated people unnecessarily?
We all recall the endless talk of ventilators at the start of this shit show and then as if by magic overnight ventilators were not mentioned again.
It turns out that the medics were sticking patients onto ventilators when they did not need them in order to control their breathing as the medics thought a ventilated patient would be less likely to infect them – turns out that subjecting frail elderly people to this dangerous and invasive prodecure kills the vast bulk of them.
The initial claimed spike in deaths that was attributed to this new terrible disease was very much a direct result of the actions of the medics/politicians.
I learnt recently that of the three original Chinese patients claimed to have covid two survived and one died, can you guess what medical procedure was done to the one that died?
The fundamental cause of the spring 2020 death spike was the assumption (by medical “professionals”) that anyone who caught SARS-CoV-2 was likely to die, so dangerous ventilation seemed rational to them. They panicked and either killed by ventilator, or in care homes by midazolam. I knew after the Diamond Princess that it was similar in consequence to flu, but our complacent doctors did zero independent research. Anyone complicit in this, psychologically insulates themself by imagining that the original virus was much, much more dangerous than it is now. In reality, they committed manslaughter by incompetence.
Medics – “independent research” – are you joking?
They would be much better getting medical advice from this site…..
Or perhaps not
Certainly not from anything you say.
Medical-Pharmaceutical-Industrial Complex.
They have that covered in the Online Safety Bill to quickly shut any troublemakers down.
There was a pre-meditated plan to promote The Fear – including the idea that the disease was 100% fatal. All leading up to the promotion as The “Vaccine is The Only Solution”.
Take it as read. There are millions of un-used vaccines in Warehouses, that the global government’s don’t know how to get rid of. MSM need to urgently cue the next viral varient.
They already are:
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/05/02/world/africa/south-africa-surge-variants.html
In reality this is not the only piece of panicked, blinkered thinking – masking and the use of ventilators we’re bad enough, but it seems the incompetence ranges far, far further with the widespread “vaccination “ policies. It’s looking very likely that the virus, thankfully now not much of a threat, may be being forced into mutations more frequently than it might otherwise have. The end result being that contacting the “deadly” Delta variant may be viewed, with hindsight, as a walk in the park!
In the early days the medics noted that the ones with better outcomes where the ones that missed out on the ventilators as they didn’t have enough of them.
i fear there will never be a full independent unbiased review of this mess.
well meaning people did the most vile things.
there is still something we are missing that china is scared of.
perhaps it’s that covid is a 2 part thing, part 1 spreads but doesn’t kill that many, perhaps part 2 shortens life expectancy or debilitates reducing the future capabilities of those infected.
there is some reason china is pursuing zero covid when it’s seemingly an illogical pursuit.
“there is still something we are missing that china is scared of.”
Their government.
I think he means their government is scared of something. They seem to be. At one point I thought their covid theatre was just that – cynical theatre. But now I really can’t fathom it. I can’t imagine they believe their own propaganda, but why else would you do these insane lockdowns again now? Perhaps they are trying to bounce us back into lockdowns, but that seems unlikely to me as there has been a fairly bad reaction to what is happening there. Maybe they are just doubling down on the original strategy to save face, like our lot did.
You are asking a very good question.
Both in China and in the west, it can’t be tackled without thinking about biological warfare – offence, defence, detection, intentions – and this is an area that is kept well under wraps everywhere.
Also, at the risk of sounding trite: beware giving too much importance to the East Asian concept of “face” in certain contexts. Yes it is extremely important, but it is not necessarily overwhelmingly important in all specific contexts. I see it crudely overestimated by the British regime’s China desk all the time – e.g. newspaper articles saying that President Xi etc. really care about meeting members of the British royal family, when I doubt they give much of a damn, any more than the British royal family care about meeting this or that African or Polynesian tribal leader.
Living and working in the Far East since 1996 I can say that ‘face’ is absolutely critical, to the point of taking one’s own life. The whole judicial punishment structure in Japan (short of the death sentence), is based on the public humiliation of a trial and conviction.
However it’s the losing of face to others of your own philosophy that matters, not to the Ang Mo or Gweilo or whatever derogatory term you use for outsiders. The Chinese are too Xenophobic to really care what the West thinks. As long as we continue to be a market for them they’ll continue to make their crappy products.
The complete lockdown in Shanghai looks like it is being deliberately orchestrated in order to choke international supply lines and thereby exacerbate global food shortages.
This ^^^^^^^^ ….. + at the same time perhaps with eye on the imminent renewal ( or not ) of Leader Xi’s rule; no policy that he approved/signed off on can be allowed to look wrong/pointless at the moment.
It’s just another aspect of the Chinese regime liking to have total control of the population’s lives.
Given the western lockdown clearly had globalist economic roots, I see no reason to rule out the same root reasons for China, slowing the velocity of global capital flows, in an attempt to manage western hyper-inflation.
John Titus was interviewed by Whitney Webb recently, during that interview he stated the US was now in such a debt position that the annual tax revenue does not cover the interest on their loans and social security burden, they’re adding debt to pay the interest, it’s not if the US debt will go parabolic, but when.
Growth of ~0.0%/y doesn’t work with fractional reserve banking, which we’ve used for over 300 years.
Other banking systems are available, as Mervyn King said in his 2013 book. They were considered in the early 20th.C but not introduced … bankers probably objected.
James Kunstler puts it all pretty clearly in a 2020 book ‘Living in the Long Emergency’, sequel to his 2005 ‘The Long Emergency’. It went to press late 2019 so it doesn’t mention COVID. This is a plus because it enables one to see clearly how grim the economic situation was/is and how COVID fitted into this.
Even before Covid the financial or funding system was unsustainable. That is, the Powers that Be were printing gazillions in money to pay all the bills they had to pay. This reality has now gone hyperbolic. But they do still have a magic “printing press.” As long as that continues to be protected (and it will be), they can keep kicking the can down the road.
Off topic (but really not), the main reason “they” rig gold and silver “markets” is to protect this magic fiat printing press. Of all the scandals that are off limits to real investigation, this is the most important one IMO.
End Game – the Global ( except Russia) Financial melt-down- coming to a bank near you any time now!
What’s the problem with this ‘financial meltdown’? Why is it taking so long? People have been banging on about it for months here.
It’s always sometime in the future, isn’t it? You say yourself “any time now” but I have just paid a bill via my bank system and it seems to have gone through. And the ATM in our village gave me 240 Euros yesterday.
How about we talk about the financial meltdown when it has actually happened? Anyone can say that ‘something’ is going to happen ‘in the future’.
Remember everyone was going to be dead of ‘ADE’ from the vaccinations before last Christmas? Didn’t happen.
Not really. People discussed ADE and OAS, if not more possibilities. OAS seems to have arrived, but not ADE. Fair enough. OAS is bad enough as it might permanently reduce some people’s immune systems.
From memory, people in 2004 feared a crash of some kind but the BBC didn’t mention such concerns. In 2007 the MSM reported that some Wall Street banks had problems and in 2008 the crisis peaked; most UK banks came to the government pleading for money before 08.00 h the following morning.
I think that’s about three years, not three months, between informal comment that the financial sector was going bust and actual banks going bust.
Remember all those who didn’t take the useless snake oil poisons were going to die as well…..That didn’t happen either!!!
The Chinese government has been prone to doing insane things since 1949. The lunacies of the Great Leap Forward killed 45 million people in five years. The “smash sparrow” campaign helped contribute to it.
Only 45 million ? Chicken feed for Globalists!
( Oh! There is no chicken feed)
A Smash-Corrupt-Communist-Party-Members campaign in China is all that’s needed!
I hope you’re wrong about that! It may well be just a case of the politicians not wanting to lose face.
Its just a good excuse for the commie b’stards to continue bullying their population
That’s why when BoJo had his bullshit scare, and he was at death’s door, they were careful to say he wasn’t put on a ventilator, because all those ‘insiders’ knew the near on 100% death rate when ventilated
“It turns out that the medics were sticking patients onto ventilators when they did not need them in order to control their breathing as the medics thought a ventilated patient would be less likely to infect them.” I doubt that. What is your basis for it? But I agree that the most likely reason was self-preservation. I think the specific form this took was simply that they were told to do it by higher-ups. Not in every case, of course, but simply in the sense of the order coming down that “lots of ventilator use is needed”. Their higher-ups would leave them to decide the details. That’s how you run an army. Make the company commanders think they’re real somebodies. The same goes, for example for the use of ultrasound machines on pregnant women. People refer to “Big Pharma”, but pharmaceuticals aren’t the only products that the “health” service signs big contracts for. There’s also equipment. Millions and millions of quidsworth of it in every hospital. Every “profession” in the world is hierarchical. Hospital medics are extremely easy to influence if the order comes from the right place and it’s wrapped in a banknote. All the stuff about “I sweat… Read more »
The use of ventilators probably broke down into several motivations. A small proportion may well have been that it was ‘the thing to do’ when someone has low blood oxygen. No one at the time seems to have identified that one of the effects of this (apparent) virus is to reduce the oxygen carrying capacity of the blood. Pumping more into the lungs served no effects whatsoever other than to damage fragile organs.
Another motivation, in the US, was that hospitals were allowed to claim extra money if they put a patient on a ventilator. If you’re old and probably very ill anyway it’s a race to claim the cash before you die anyway.
Lastly there may have been an element of a**e covering. ‘We did everything we could’.
“Deaths by Vents” has to be one of the great and tragic unreported scandals of our Covid times (and there are many such tragic scandals).
The horror story in nursing homes/care homes is another (well documented in another piece at The Daily Skeptic today).
Intelligent and morally uncorrupted Medics pointed out that Ventilators were killing people …and were ridiculed and ignored.
The WHO and China are both bankster controlled, the policy to fast track to vents was a blatant act of mass murder from the criminals. 3. Deadly Recommendations for Early Mechanical Ventilation Came from China https://ccpgloballockdownfraud.medium.com/the-chinese-communist-partys-global-lockdown-fraud-88e1a7286c2b In early March 2020, the WHO released COVID-19 provider guidance documents to healthcare workers.[44] The guidance recommended escalating quickly to mechanical ventilation as an early intervention for treating COVID-19 patients, a departure from past experience during respiratory-virus epidemics.[45] In doing so, they cited the guidance being presented by Chinese journal articles, which published papers in January and February claiming that “Chinese expert consensus” called for “invasive mechanical ventilation” as the “first choice” for people with moderate to severe respiratory distress,[46] in part to protect medical staff. As the Wall Street Journal later reported: Last spring, doctors put patients on ventilators partly to limit contagion at a time when it was less clear how the virus spread, when protective masks and gowns were in short supply. Doctors could have employed other kinds of breathing support devices that don’t require risky sedation, but early reports suggested patients using them could spray dangerous amounts of virus into the air, said Theodore Iwashyna, a critical-care physician at University… Read more »
Well reported; happened on NY City as well.
The medical profession was quite open about it. See, for example, this consensus statement. It has a section discussing the use of early intubation to “prevent the additional risk to staff of emergency intubation”. This was a primary reason why so many patients were intubated, and so early.
Early on critical care doctors (not among the Govt ‘experts) said that ventilators were only of any use to maintain lung movement where muscles were tired or impaired through disease, injury or surgery and by their nature caused some tissue damage.
They were of no use where large areas of lung tissue were damaged, as ventilation could not repair this but would only make the damage worse and were contraindicated.
Like so much of this, following The Science meant ignoring best medical practice and ignoring more than a century of medical knowledge and understanding.
So now that the data is in, everything that was supposed to save us, vaccines, masks and lockdowns, turned out to be killing us, and everything that was supposed to be dangerous quackery turns out was actually the safe-effective solution, HCQ, ivermectin.
Now onto Ukraine.
Same scripts, scrub Coronavirus and scribble in Putin.
So we automatically believe the opposite of what the media says? Better to retain a modicum of critical thinking.
Just remove the words ‘the opposite of’ and your statement is correct.
After two years of psyop run through the media, its easy to see the same technique in operation on at least two topics, Ukraine and AGW.
With AGW its just the same lies, has been for years.
With Ukraine its more nuanced , the lie is that there is black and white, good guys, bad guys. When in fact its all grey. Its also potentially fatal with the media involved in whipping up a frenzy of unthinking support for moves that could end in nuclear holocaust.
The AGW story is just hilarious.
The experts models have consistenly overpredicted any warming (and that is after they manipulate the living daylights out of the data).
Indeed their models can’t even hindcast, their models when run against previously recorded temperature data never predicted what happened subsequently in the real world, they always over predict the warming.
Recently the Met Office altered the historical data and then claimed a new high temperature change. That’s how accurate they are and how frightened they are of being proven wrong by the facts. I also note they didn’t mention the new figures on ice at the Poles in any of the usual “We are all going to die” outlets.
Apparently the raw data is a global warming denier.
““We are all going to die” outlets.”
http://www.strangesounds.org
“The Endtimes are here. Terrifying events are now playing out on planet Earth. Support Strange Sounds by buying a Solar Flare & EMP shield – $50 off”
That’s right, folks, watch out for those solar flares!
No worries, apart from the fact that could whack out the internet and more…
Look what one did in the early tech days of the mid 19th century
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carrington_Event
Faking “facts” doesn’t show that they’re frightened of being proved wrong by actual facts.
It’s more like the fable of the scorpion and the fox.
Any link to that report about altering the historical data? I had hope for the Met Office, but your comment makes me unsettled. I’ve just finished reading Steve Koonin’s book “Unsettled”. Certainly worth reading.
Maybe these?
https://staging.dailysceptic.org/2022/04/18/met-office-changed-global-temperature-record-to-add-14-to-recent-warming-says-climate-scientist/
https://www.thegwpf.org/content/uploads/2022/04/Humlum-State-of-Climate-2021-.pdf
Thanks.
As Laura Dodsworth (author of A State of Fear) said, once you spot it you cannot unsee it.
An excellent book and worth reading.
Can you say some more about it. I looked for it just now and saw references to “the UK government” and “the Covid-19 pandemic” on the cover, neither of which incites confidence in the author’s having risen above journalism.
The book is highly critical of the government bollocks and is worth reading, it focuses on the nudge units and their psychological manipulation (propaganda) techniques.
Cassandra – saw everything – called insane and never believed – Troy burned.
The release of civilans from underground “safety” in Mariupol is a case in point. Accoding to the MSM they were all bussed to Ukraine in safe passage that was arranged by Ukraine and Russia.
What you haven’t heard from out MSM that they were all offered a choice of where to go. About half chose Ukraine and the other half chose Russia.
Ukraine’s only part in this I suspect, was in persuading their military to release their human shields.
There will be other countries’ military forces too inside that plant. It’s unlikely they all got out by helicopter. If they had, this would all be over by now. And it’s in for example the British and Israeli governments’ interests not to allow the liberation of the last civilian hostages until all of their own soldiers have been allowed out alive – which may in fact never happen. It’s likely that when the plant has been liberated, both sides will claim a massive propaganda victory and extreme wicked evilness by the other side.
What we know for a fact is that civilians including children were accommodated inside an iron and steel plant in wartime, which is to say inside a military target, which is unquestionably against the accepted laws of warfare.
Apparently there are at least a few high ranking French officers holed up in the factory bunkers aswell, hence Macron’s extra urgent call to Putin, and also alleged communications with military in Ukraine to the effect that mustn’t be revealed before the election, that the besieged must prepare to die rather than surrender.
This may be why one of the highest commanders in the French military resigned a week/10 days ago.
I’m hoping that the fear of meaningful public scandal won’t cause a collaboration of possibly implicated countries ( France, UK, Israel etc ) to engage in a false flag op to obliterate the entire steelworks with all its remaining occupants, ( kill two birds; avoid exposure and be able to accuse Russia of war crime/atrocities again ).
We know that the helicopters never made it in, let alone out. There was also an attempt at rescue by boat which was thwarted.
There is also supposed to be a Canuc General and a senior South African in there.
It looks like a big haul of propaganda points to me.
Some of the ‘civilians’ were actually Ukraine military / Azov disguised as factory workers. They were caught in background checks.
https://t.me/RVvoenkor/10464
“A Nazi from the Azov regiment tried to leave Mariupol under the guise of a civilian. Some Nazis took advantage of the evacuation of civilians from the Azovstal plant, but were detained at the filtration stage and are now testifying about their crimes.”
Thanks for this.
We are in a position where the Russian commanders want the enemy including Azov Regiment guys and foreign soldiers from Britain, Israel, or wherever to walk out with their hands up, to be kept as prisoners of war and to be offered the chance to tell things as they really happened (on camera), whereas the higher commands of the foreign units want all of their guys to get out of there (and ideally, back to base) on the quiet, which simply ain’t gonna happen. And rather than allow the Russian favoured option they are quite willing to sacrifice many civilian lives (and try to extract something propaganda-wise) if they’re going to lose their own guys anyway. Discipline inside the plant must be, shall we say, rather strict at the moment.
There is talk of Nato special forces and Officers among them.
Making stuff up again.
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Does the truth make you uncomfortable?
There’s certainly an interesting level of concern about them.
There was an odd episode when Wikipedia updated its page on Lt. Gen. Roger L Cloutier Jnr, commander of NATO’s Allied Land Command, to report his death at Mariupol.
He then re-emerged alive. A crossing of wires? (Or just another indication of Wikipedia carelessness with the truth ….)
How many Azov are now eating breakfast in naive welcoming British homes I wonder?
Will Johnson be offering them jobs in the “Security Forces”?
Not quite Brett – but it’s a good starting point!
I pretty much take the line now that if the unholy trinity of so called ‘experts’, government and MSM are all singing from the same hymn sheet, then my initial bias is to assume they’re wrong and/or plain lying – until I find proof to the contrary. Needless to say, critical thinking needs to be engaged throughout, along with an open mind.
Yep, if everyone agrees, then they are lying. Plurality = normal discourse. Uniformity = corruption.
I effectively ignore what the corporate media says, because I don’t watch ‘the news’ nor read newspapers.
By way of contrast the vast majority of Russians only get their information from the TV (which is completely controlled by the Russian government of course). The use of the internet as a news source is virtually unknown there.
Novaya Gazeta https://novayagazeta.ru is the best known pro-Western pro-Navalny site although the Russian media regulator came down hard on them and they’ve suspended their site till the end of the war. A lot happens on Telegram.
I question everything that comes out of MSM particularly as we no longer have independent journalism. I only read alternative media.
They are planning how top outlaw Alternative Media as we write! How long will even this forum last?
Fiction.
Should we bet on it?
Sane here.
Of course you do.. it’s your guiding principle.
It used to be called commonsense. Today it is known as Conspiracy Theory.
I want to triple-uptick this!
I am finding that very often when I uptick, 3 or 4 gets added. I must have a magic finger.
Talking of which, it seems that Elenskyy has been elevated to sainthood!
https://t.me/am_news84/86
Just when you thought Elenskyy PR had reached the lowest point.
Facemasks kill. Who knew?
Apologies what I meant was WHO knew
See Gates’ latest crazy scheme ..an Agency called ‘GERM” to pounce on all the new virus ‘pandemics’ he is planning!
They do like to rub our faces in this shyte.
At the beginning no one knew.But it soon became apparent from Sweden, that all the mass hysteria, which was inflamed by the muzzles was not improving things one bit.
Well, I’m not sure that’s right. The Diamond Princess was a perfect microcosm. 2,999 elderly, mainly overweight passengers. 567 caught the virus, 14 died. Of the younger staff, similar number caught it, no fatalities.
Most people didn’t catch it. Of those that caught it among the old & overweight 2.5% died. Of younger people 0% died.
And that was an absolute worst case scenario.
People were packed in like sardines, eating in common areas and breathing recirculated air from the internal air conditioning.
Those bastards knew fromthe outset that the whole thing was a small problem for the very old and sick.
I suspect they may be even more evil than you think.
The same week the DP data came out, they shoved us into lockdown.
Take the 567 number with a pinch of salt.
A cruise ship is an ideal environment for a biowar experiment.
So is a prison. The “British variant” (aka “Kent variant”, “alpha variant”, or “B.1.1.7”) of SARSCoV2 is said to have originated in a Kent prison.
Kinda obvious.
‘We think you should partially suffocate yourself to protect others.’
No thanks!
I’d suggest another effect.When covid is expelled as droplets and caught on the mask, it starts to dry. Eventually the mucus is dry enough that the regular movement of the mask as masked people talk to others, causes the mucus to break apart into a fine dust. And, unlike the original mucus droplets that are big enough and heavy enough to rapidly fall to the floor where they get entrapped by the floor material … the dust from a mask sits in the atmosphere for ages and, goes straight through masks and deep into the lungs.
Interesting theory, but I would have thought that masks would tend to be damp when worn (moisture in the breath) although clearly they will dry out when in your pocket, or when chinned or ear dangled.
Are you aware of any credible scientific papers that prove sars-cov-2 could be transmitted from one person to another?
I can’t find them.
I don’t mean computer models or laboratory work where they assumed that there was a virus that caused infection and then set up manikins firing out simulated coughs and sneezes but actual credible evidence that the claimed virus could be spread and cause disease in real people under real circumstances.
My wife was very ill in Nov 2019 before they had named sars-cov-2 or covid19.
She was relentlessly coughing for weeks, massively fatigued, low oxygen levels all the symptoms associated with covid.
Yet no one else in the household became ill, we had elderly relatives visiting her and none of them became ill.
If the theory that viral particles float around having been coughed out and are then inhaled and infect others I don’t get why only my wife was ill, our house must have been swimming with particles for weeks.
“If the theory that viral particles float around having been coughed out and are then inhaled and infect others I don’t get why only my wife was il”
That’s the discredit germ theory – if there are virons floating around you *must* get ill.
That’s a fatalistic belief that discounts the adaptive human immune system. Each of us has a unique one with strengths and weaknesses.
We have to remember that our ancestors spent a lot of time dying from infectious disease so we don’t have to. The more your ancestors died, the better you are at not dying.
My wife and daughter had the same bug in November 2019. They were both very ill yet nobody they were in contact with caught it. I came down with it in late December 2019 weeks after my wife had got rid of it. My daughters husband never caught it.
Same here, Nov ’19 …… I had what I described to my work colleagues/friends as “a nasty little virus” …… 3 days of feeling very tired/unwell (but took paracetamol and still went to work, as you did) and then a cough which took about 3 weeks to clear. I’m unjabbed; not bothered taking any precautions and I’ve not been ill at all throughout the Covid scam.
Did you or the others catch it later,
it’s most likely that you did catch cv around that time, most likely very mild and what they term as asymptomatic.
no tests back then so you won’t have known.
i was I’ll for 3 days in March 2020, worst cold I’d had in years, no one else seemed to catch it, this year though child got it (mild headache 1 day pcr the following day showed cv while last flo was negative), then misses after child recovered, then apparently me but adults had no symptoms.
just because someone in close proximity does not catch it does not prove that germs do not exist.
Being asymptomatic used to be called being healthy, as in you were not even slightly ill.
Being an asymptomatic carrier and spreader of a disease only became a thing in the covid era, the claim was disproven by a large Chinese study.
‘just because someone in close proximity does not catch it does not prove that germs do not exist.’
I agree with that statement.
But the more I look the more it appears to be the case that viruses do not exist as pathogenic entities that can be transmitted from one person to another.
If we are to believe that these super tiny things (that only experts can see with special equipment) can make us ill and that isolationand lockdown can stop their spread then we need convincing evidence that the claim is true.
Term as misused for Covid transmission invented by Whitty in one of his Horror Broadcasts! I remember it.
Something causes people to fall ill. If we start denying that then we are playing into the cabal’s hands. A few hundred years ago it was ‘miasma’ or ‘the vapours’. Then for Typhoid it was found to be foul water. If we accept that virtually none of the prominent experts on ‘our’ side of the fence are making a lot of noise over the existence or not of viruses it’s probably better to fight other battles. Unless of course you believe Yeadon, Gupta, et al are operating a false flag campaign?
Causation and Correlation in reverse. No infection does not mean it’s not possible. Assume for a moment that your wife did in fact have C19, as opposed to any one of a number of other seasonal viruses. As the DP numbers show, the vast majority of people have some level of natural immunity to the worst effects of C19. ‘None became ill’ might be a well intentioned statement but is hardly a scientific factor to hang a theory on. A sniffle or a sore throat may be all a person gets, and is probably dismissed, especially in the winter. Couple that with a very small sample size and with the utmost respect I don’t believe this proves your theory.
Let’s face it, you haven’t looked.
there are lots of examples of people exposed regularly to highly infections diseases who do not catch them. It turns out that individual variation is a huge confounder…
In January 2020 before the panic, experts were saying over 80% of those that are exposed to the virus will never develop the disease and never have any symptoms. That is precisely why mass testing for the virus is useless. Then the fear mongering started and all of the messages which said maybe the virus is not the worse killer in history, were forbidden.
Shame there has never been an experiment with ventilation to find out the best way to disperse virions…
Does this mean we will all need to change to wearing visors?
Fully enclosed helmets.
Don’t give them ideas!
Deep Sea diving suits…
Current recommendations are that you should wear a pair of tights on your head (like a bank robber)
That way you can keep the dreaded covids out of your mouth, nose, eyes and ear holes.
Faucci says that despite tights having holes in them that are far too large to stop dust getting through never mind something as small as a virus that they should be warn. And if you wish to be super safe and virtuous you should wear double tights.
Faucci also recommends that the gay community wears tights in the convential way to avoid bum covid.
Only the hermetically sealed plastic bag will do. Recommended for anybody who still believes in masks in 2022.
Remember: Gates’ target is 15 %
That will probably work for a few months until somebody discovers that air circulates happily around and underneath it, carrying the virus back and forth as it goes. After a few more months of discrediting this discovery while cases and deaths continue to soar, TPTB might eventually decide that visors are no good after all, and of course they never said that they did. No, the only solution will have to be airtight plastic bags over the entire head.
The problem is that papers such as this do not get traction in the press. I am still seeing some people wearing masks in England while in Scotland there is still a depressing number of mask fanatics. We have a cruise booked and I am shocked to discover that the cruise company requires you to wear a mask – bitterly deplorable.
And because they don’t get that traction, people don’t care. It doesn’t matter what the quality of the evidence is; or how distinguished the researchers are.
What matters is whether or not it’s accepted and promoted by the usual media sources.
I’d cancel.
What sort of holiday is that going to be for you? Is it worth it?
Cancel the holiday.
For ‘get woke, go broke’ to work we’ve got to stop spending money with these clowns.
You didn’t think to ask beforehand?
It was booked three years ago.
Alternatively, just say that you’re exempt. They’re not allowed to question why.
Ask to see their evidence-based risk assessment for mitigating against the transmission of bacterial pnuemonia encouraged by improper/poor mask hygiene.
Firms like Law or Fiction will have text on their website. From that you can draft and serve a *notice of liability* on them if they don’t withdraw the requirement.
As you probably don’t want to be surrounded by sheep, it sounds to me if the best is to tell them you intend to withdraw from the holiday due to their breach of contract.
Also demand compensation for inflation since you booked it. That’ll probably be 10-15% extra on what you paid …
‘Traction’ ? They are spiked burned shredded and trashed.( by order!).
I’d cancel it if I were you and travel with a company that treats its clients as thinking humans.
How many lives were saved by walking clockwise as opposed to anti clockwise in shops and pubs?
Will we ever know?
Neil Ferguson produced a model showing that both methods were 18.73% more effective when a scotch egg was being eaten.
Probably forgot to include the Coriolis effect
Shit!
A side order of Coriolis does wonders for a Scotch egg.
Of course we know. It’s Zero.
Was it the other way round, I wonder, Down Under? Perhaps that’s why they went nutso down there!
Blind Obedience is the aim …… rehearsal for straight into the showers… no argument!
It’s almost as if your mother was right, and fresh air is good for you, after all.
Mind you, she also told me that Greens were good for you!
So, basically we – the soon to be top dog unjabbed – should make sure we keep at least two metres away from anyone who is masked in order to avoid inhaling any remnants of pure virion and or hypercondensed droplets.
The masks were always just theatre …. intended to generate fear by continually reminding the sheeple that there was a virus circulating. But it’s good to have a study showing that rather than protecting people, they make them more vulnerable.
I was holding onto the hope that the covid response was just a massive cock up until they made us wear masks in the middle of summer where according to their own numbers there was no covid anywhere.
Surely all the mask wearers are brimming with the latest vaccine and are now the most super safe people on Earth?
(Unlike those crazy anti vaxxers who were supposed to die last Christmas but didn’t for reasons were choose to ignore).
Who needs a mask when you have replaced your blood with Pfizers vastly superior alternative?
Patient – ‘Doctor I’m struggling to breath!’
Docotor -‘ Here put this mask over your face to make breathing harder’.
And have some midazolam to supress your breathing.
I still haven’t worn a mask. Still not jabbed. Still not dead. Still not believing a word the media says.
Ditto and I still don’t know anybody who has died of or with Covid. Over the past 2+ years I have personally known of 12 people who have died, all elderly except for 1 who was 62 but over 30 stone.
Ditto.
We’ve wound up in this situation due to poor science. We won’t find our way out by adding to it.
I’m astonished that you wrote a whole paper on largely correlational effects and never once discussed the problem of inferring causation in such designs. It is equally likely that severe outbreaks cause mask mandates as it is that masks cause severe outbreaks. Or maybe masks do nothing at all and any associations are spurious?
Perhaps it would be wise to spend more effort on being circumspect and less on naming effects after yourself?
We did not wind up in this situation owing to ‘poor science ‘- you are completely deluding yourself if you really still believe that.
Ever heard of the crack down suppression of ‘real science ‘and real scientists by Government Media censorship and draconian Social Media cancelation?
I share your reservations about this paper and won’t be referring to it or using it in future arguments. The methodology seems extremely fragile. As you astutely note, the paper seems to go straight for correlation = causation. The claimed effect size is unbelievably massive. A risk ratio of ~1.5? If masks were actually driving COVID to that extent then the same argument often made against mandates applies: it would have been immediately obvious from just eyeballing case death graphs before/after mandates. You’d see a massive jump in cases right after masks were forced and a massive drop right after they were removed, and you’d see it everywhere and always. The paper generalizes from just a few months in Kansas to the entire world. If the effect is real it should be easily demonstrable in many places. Yes, Kansas had differences at the county level in mandate policy but this is true of many places. Despite 2+ years of pandemic, the study only look at about 3-4 months of data. That data is being adjusted, dropped, rescaled, even arbitrarily rewritten all over the place. E.g. “To correct for the CFR outlier of Gove County, the number of deaths in Gove… Read more »
When I’m asked, I give 5 simple reasons for my opposition to mask mandates:
How about something much simpler? It’s impossible to determine the effects (or lack thereof) of face coverings in community settings. They may be positive, negative or non-existant. We do not and cannot know this. Hence, they must no more be mandated than five daily prayers must be mandated. Millions of people believe in the necessity of them. But a mere belief, no matter how strongly felt, doesn’t justify an impositions on the freedom of those who don’t share it.
Best post on this topic by a country mile.
This is all masks should ever have been – nothing more than a personal choice for the absolutely terrified.
ad 1. what’s the argument?
ad 2. You know what confidence intervals are?
ad 3. The article lists 2 other peer-reviewed studies showing the same effect for USA and Europe
ad 4. what kind of reasoning is that?
ad 5. Gove County is a “convenient” outlier as it is a mask mandated county with exceptionally high CFR.
Look at the scatter plot.
ad 6. you’re misquoting me to claim that I misquoted?
You know, I named it after myself so I could easily find out who is not interested in a serious discussion.
Had you read the paper, you would have noted that the period I took had mandates established and unchanged for four weeks.
It sounds so juvenile when people who’ve had articles published in journals say “it’s peer-reviewed, you know”.
If you’ve got something to say, say it. And only value responses from readers who aren’t impressed by wearers of uniform, professional or otherwise.
The main point of maskwearing was symbolic. It’s called entrainment. It’s akin to getting people not to object, or laugh, when the authorities insist that a bloke with a todger and a pair of cobblers is in fact a woman.
Peer review only means that people who are signed up to the same group think as you agree that your thinking hasn’t strayed too far from the orthodoxy.
There has been a recent article about plastic fibres being found in the lungs of patients who were having surgery, apparently its quite common and another reason why wearing them is hazardous to our health.
Any chance of a link?
https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/microplastics-in-humans-after-blood-scientists-find-traces-in-the-lungs#Microplastics-in-human-tissues
Why is it that your MP never answers your correspondence?
Probably too busy wanking?
Neil Parish: MP resigns as he admits watching porn in the Commonshttps://news.sky.com/story/neil-parish-mp-accused-of-watching-porn-in-commons-to-resign-after-being-told-position-untenable-12602430
Boris Johnson ‘Choking ones chicken in the chamber is a time honoured tradition and I will never do anything that jeopardises that ancient right of honurable members to honour their member’
Unlikely comment from Johnson as he has claimed that from the age of 14 he has never needed to choke the chicken, as he always found someone to do it for him.
Well he did have a butler.
There was a hypothesis that the greater part of the deaths in the ‘Spanish Flu’ pandemic were the result of improper mask usage (excessive use, poor mask hygiene, etc) leading to outbreaks of bacterial pneumonia.
https://www.nih.gov/news-events/news-releases/bacterial-pneumonia-caused-most-deaths-1918-influenza-pandemic
I personally of indviduals forced to wear masks in hospitals where they worked who came down with bacterial pneumonia (multiple individuals from the same site). The government has also pushed a ‘jab’ for bacterial pneumonia, which is plausible effective as the bacteria involved are relatively stable DNA pathogen in contrast to the rapidly varying RNA pathogen of SARS-CoV-19.
Did you note that Dr Anthony Fauci was one of the co-authors of the paper?
Maybe he has dementia and forgot.
I must admit I didn’t notice. He has flipped and flopped over masks, and just about everything, blowing with the political winds. It does date back to 2008 before The Narrative aka The Science was fully established.
I picked it up from someone else’s research last year.
His actions on AIDS prevention and treatment in the 80s were also catastrophic.
Read senator Robert Kennedy jnr book the real dr fauci and you will be stunned how this murdering bastard has got away with presiding over the ill health of anation
Also latterly the world
And still it goes on. I was leaving my local convenience store this morning where I call often while walking the dog. A brisk, energetic man in his late 60s was entering as I left. He asked the shop employee near the door if he needed a mask. She replied no, you don’t need a mask to go anywhere. So he went back to his car and got a mask…
Just about every single measure , action diktat and recommendation by the Johnson Government. Hancock,Javid, Whitty , Van Tam, Vallance etc has made the Covid crisis worse.
What an extraordinary coincidence this is! Not just ‘conspiracy theorists’ but surely anyone with a functioning brain would think they were doing it all deliberately!
The contents of this study will be suppressed in the usual way and the sheep will carry on wearing their dangerous masks in their cars and waiting for the new planned mask mandate to be ordered again by Johnson to keep people safe’.
The grave has always been the safest place of all!
The study is based on the assumption that mask mandates correlates to mask wearing, yet no work was done to determine if this is correct and to what extent, or which people wore masks.
This is an obvious glaring error in the paper.
That was already done by the Van Dyke study I referred.
So you say there was a study in the counties of the same state, showing the correlation of mandates and wearing? If that is true, then useful but a big omission/error to not include the data in the study.
I have read the referenced paper and it doesn’t not cover the correlation of mandate and wearing. It covers the impact of mandates on infection trends.
All you need to know. Meta-analysis of papers on masks. Useless and dangerous
https://brownstone.org/articles/more-than-150-comparative-studies-and-articles-on-mask-ineffectiveness-and-harms/
Walking around an outdoor wildlife park today with the family. A family walked towards us with a 10-12 year old boy in tears. He was huddled up crying and my wife and I both had to check with each other to confirm we heard his mother say “stop crying, there’s no covid in here.”
The next group we saw were 4 people all wearing masks. Whether that triggered this kid or not it just shows the damaging effect of the propaganda that’s led to a child (who may well have his own issues anyway) becoming paralysed by fear about a virus that simply is not a danger to him. And if it was the masked idiots who spooked him, again, those are the impacts of these ‘low cost, non harmful’ interventions.
I despise masks and everything they stand for (because to me it was always about having a visible sign of a problem, masks as we all know are useless for a respiratory virus).
I’ll go further than that.
I despise ALL of it. The lies, the masks, the lockdowns, the jabs, the fearmongering.
Spent today with my family. My elderly parent announced that he won’t vote in elections later this week – normally someone who would ALWAYS have voted come what may.
The reason?
He says he doesn’t want to risk getting covid.
If the government tells you that reconsuming your own waste products is good for public health and you mindlessly comply, you deserve everything you get.
I’d like to see a similar study on the lockdowns. My intuition is that they had zero effect on transmission because it’s impossible to stop a respiratory virus from spreading in the albeit fewer opportunities adults and children have to interact.
But the virus has an incubation period and I think that shutting families and nursing home residents indoors can only give the virus an opportunity to proliferate among that population. Would it not have been more effective to have everyone outside in fresh air rather than indoors? This should be investigated if we want to call ourselves Lockdown Sceptics.
This is an extremely important paper. The results are counterintuitive for sure and I strongly suspect if I attempt to share it on LinkedIn it will be taken down, just like my post on the mask-effectiveness study recently published in Cureus, another peer-reviewed study they desperately try to hide from the public.
UK Chief Medical Officer said just this early in the pandemic when PPE was thought to be running short.
Then when the politicians started to claim that masks would save people he magically changed his tune….
Hey, remember the one about masks when doing CPR? Truly the world went mad.