No, the AstraZeneca and Johnson & Johnson Vaccines Are Not a Miracle Cure for Heart Disease
There’s been a lot of excitement recently about a Danish study published as a pre-print in the Lancet that analysed trial data and claimed to find adenovirus-vector Covid vaccines such as AstraZeneca (AZ) and Johnson and Johnson (J&J) reduced overall mortality by around 63% and cardiovascular mortality in particular by around 99%. The study authors note it appears these vaccines “provide significant protection” against cardiovascular disease, and speculate this may be because the adenovirus vector, though not able to replicate, “may prime the immune system in a way similar to a ‘live’ vaccine”. How this might protect against cardiovascular disease is not explained.
The study has been reported at sceptical sites such as the Brownstone Institute, TCW Defending Freedom and Bad Cattitude. Each asks whether people have been given the “wrong vaccine”, in that while the trial data for the mRNA vaccines (Pfizer and Moderna) did not show any mortality benefit, those for the adenovirus vaccines showed considerable and, importantly, statistically significant benefit.
I reported on the study earlier in the month, expressing scepticism about the supposed benefits of the adenovirus-vector vaccines for non-Covid mortality.
Medical student Santiago Sanchez has criticised the claims of the study and its commentators on Twitter in a thread that is unnecessarily laced with vitriol but nonetheless makes some helpful points amidst the bile. In particular he notes that almost all the favourable mortality data come from one trial, the J&J one, where nine people in the placebo arm died from non-Covid, non-accident causes versus just three in the vaccine arm (see below).
Indeed, the placebo arm in this trial seems to have been oddly death-prone, with 16 versus three deaths overall, including two versus zero accidents, two versus zero cardiovascular deaths and seven versus three deaths from other causes. Interestingly, the AstraZeneca vaccine trial in the U.S. had an accident-prone vaccine arm, with four versus zero accident deaths, illustrating how these small numbers are very susceptible to freak random occurrences. The same U.S. trial also had two versus zero cardiovascular deaths, while the Sputnik (Gam-COVID-Vac) trial had one versus zero cardiovascular deaths, to give the five versus zero cardiovascular deaths (out of around 50,000 and 72,000 participants respectively) in adenovirus-vector vaccine trials overall that raise the possibility of causation and the vaccines somehow curing heart disease.
Notably, the death rate overall in the adenovirus-vector vaccine trials was considerably lower than in the mRNA vaccine trials (377 vs 822 deaths per million overall, 600 vs 809 per million in just the control arms). This is likely a reflection of the lower age profile of participants in the adenovirus-vector vaccine trials – though this wouldn’t explain the lower proportion of deaths in the vaccine arms versus the control arms.
Perhaps the most significant difference between the two types of trial is in the follow-up time, with the J&J trial follow-up after the single dose being around half that of the mRNA trials after the second dose – and the mRNA trials also had the four week period between the doses.
In the U.S. AZ trial, a massive 10.2% of participants in the vaccine arm (2,206) were followed up for less than 15 days after the second dose (see below). How many of them were lost to follow-up because they died but this was not identified, and how many died subsequently without their death being recorded? It’s worth noting the number lost in the vaccine arm was considerably more than the 8.5% (920) followed up for less than 15 days in the placebo arm.
Santiago Sanchez notes:
If you follow people for longer, more people will die of more causes, by chance. If you look at one group followed over a longer period versus another in a shorter period, you can’t interpret mortality differences between those groups.
Sanchez has also spotted that the recently published final results for the J&J trial are now available and include a longer follow-up time of around four months. By this point the odds ratio (OR) of non-Covid death in the vaccine arm rises to 0.7-1.18 (95% confidence interval), reflecting a between 30% drop and 18% rise, which is not statistically significant. (The final trial data don’t include an update on causes of death so we don’t know how many were cardiovascular.)
Based on this, it seems most unlikely that the adenovirus-vector vaccines really reduce non-Covid mortality or cure heart disease. Much more likely these were random events, assisted by short and possibly weak follow-up.
While adenovirus-vector vaccines may not be as bad for the heart as mRNA vaccines, they have been found to cause some serious and deadly blood clotting issues. More data on vaccines and mortality are needed, but in the meantime it would be advisable to proceed on the basis that any apparent association between the Covid vaccines and improved heart health or reduced non-Covid mortality is coincidental.
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In Vietnam, the average age of combat death was 19. With Covid 19 age of death was between 81 and 82 but hey, let’s put more scientific resources into this than anything ever before.
Looks unlikely that the ‘digital Vaxx Pass’ is going to go away, not for travelling anyway. It does suggest that ‘Covid vaccinations’ won’t be stopping either – both go hand in hand.
“WTTC Urges for a Single Global COVID Certificate for Hassle-Free Travel This Summer
The President and CEO of the World Travel and Tourism Council, Julia Simpson, has announced that since the outbreak of the COVID-19 pandemic, the organisation she leads has pushed hard to create digital systems that have simultaneously improved travel and tourism business.
“According to her, to survive another pandemic, a traveller’s health status must be fully integrated into their digital travel documents, emphasising that a good example is the EU Digital COVID Certificate, now approved by 62 countries.”
https://www.schengenvisainfo.com/news/wttc-urges-for-a-single-global-covid-certificate-for-hassle-free-travel-this-summer/
yes, the real reason for all this nonsense.
Control – that’s what it has been about the whole time.
Are you controlled? In what way?
No Corporal, we are all uncontrolled and as free as birds. When does your shift finish?
Control ‘due to Covid’ includes:
The freedom to travel internationally without having to undergo ‘vaccination’ by experimental ‘vaccines’, or pay for expensive ‘tests’ in the hope of getting a ‘negative result’, was removed. Often borders were closed completely.
Lockdowns = controlled by fines from the Police and courts. Fear of being snitched on by your lovely neighbours.
Controlled by ‘social disapporoval’. Prevented from visiting people in hospitals. Prevented from visiting family due to fears of ‘the virus’. Glared at and criticised for not wearing a face mask.
It is getting more dangerous by the week as they stealthily plough their course and build their walls. around our freedoms.
Where is the long awaited push-back?
In May 2020 I went out with some friends and said this was going to happen, I was ridiculed, I wrote to an MP who said even the suggestion was a disgrace, the EU has had this on the cards for years but no one was listening, was it all inevitable?
I said it ages ago and I will say it again: the queue for people to show their special covid papers/app will be a hundred times longer than the queue for people who didn’t buy in to all this BS.
It’s already like this in many respects.
In other words, you are in a tiny minority.
Most of the elderly population in western societies are medicated, which means there is a tiny minority that isn’t and that tiny minority is what is commonly known as healthy. So being in a tiny minority is a good thing, don’t you think?
tree doesn’t think he cuts and pastes, like a good little paid troll.
If you are elderly, then you should consider your risks.
If not, then your argument is somewhat meaningless.
Actually either way, it is meaningless.
You aren’t making any sense, but then again you never do. I’m 67 and on no medication whatsoever, despite my GP prescribing statins because for one day only I had ‘essential hypertension’ (caused by a paradoxical reaction to another medication I had been prescribed, which I also dumped). I suspect I am far better informed than you to perform a risk/benefit analysis of any proposed medical intervention. Who are you working for?
Most people are pretty thick. Is it really a badge of honour to go along with the ‘thinking’ of the masses?
The ‘Chinese Cultural Revolution’ shows us how whole countries can go mad.
“RIDING THE IRON ROOSTER By Train Through China By Paul Theroux
the author is at a dinner party in Beijing. One of the Chinese guests tells Theroux that the most quoted proverb in China these days is “You can fool any foreigner.””
https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/entertainment/books/1988/06/05/slow-train-through-china/38a3dada-7e8d-4b7b-82d1-36ae39df3769/
Does that also apply to the Majority of Russians?
I certainly agree we are in a minority since most people are Sheep.
With that level of participants ( between 1k and 50k depending on study ) and those level of deaths -: a handful – over several months of the trial, this is just statistical noise and to be expected.
In a trial with 20k participants over 3 months you’d expect 50 people to die of all sorts of random causes.
Which side are you supporting here?
It is evident in the huge CIs shown in the RR data, that the trials are not properly sized to deliver any statistically significant results.
When peer reviewed, this will be pointed out.
There is no way will I ever trust this government or their scientists after this Covid debacle.
Show me a “government” that wouldn’t have done all this.
Not excusing our current “government”.
there’s always one pedant…
https://www.belarus.by/en/government
Exception proving the rule!
Pendants untied 😉
I don’t want to be pedantic, but it is pedants not pendants.
And ‘united’ rather than ‘untied’ – and therefore obviously intended?
I missed that one, but I wouldn’t conclude that the typos were intended unless MAK confirms that they were. Over to you KAM.
Always thought “exception proving the rule” to be a nonsensical phrase.
Perhaps you could explain what it means.
I suggest you consult Fowler’s Modern English Usage for an explanation.
How interesting that tree doesn’t understand the meanings of “proving”!
He understands very little at all. I think today he’s either had too much coffee or he’s back off leave and raring to do his bit for the 77th, hoping for that promotion to lance corporal.
Keep denying everything..
Everything?
Says the arch denier (examples on this very thread).
It’s not just this government though.
There is a global consensus on many things that should not be.
Effectively governments forcing citizens to take untested jabs with punishment of losing civil liberties occurred in multiple countries of differing politics all coalescing to the same agenda.
the climate scare nutters never fully achieved these global mandates despite decades of trying.
9/11 showed you need a huge shock conveyed on the worlds media to impact travel on a global scale.
this thing did a bit similar in the global shock, Beijing shutting down is already causing world financial troubles.
the Covid shock has not finished yet.
Surely it is apparent to many of us here the essential conflict of our time is globalism versus localism, however you define those terms.
Those who view us all as an undifferentiated mass and are attracted to “efficient” global systems like intergalactic ID cards. Bureaucratic minds aim for standardisation as they cannot cope with diversity.
The other side is bottom up. National pride, ancestral roots, Queen and country. There are many variations. This is misunderstood as parochial and old fashioned.
The recent French election was one example. 2 million Muslims have entered France just under Macron’s term in office; in no way can we view him as a patriot. To him any resident is the same. France means nothing to him, it is just a landmass. And yet he won.
Most reject this dichotomy I suspect because it is too blatant. They cannot believe our leaders absolutely lack patriotism but it is plain to see.
This is an existential crisis.
Muslims aren’t a race and Muslims have a variety of cultures.
Exactly what do you have a problem with?
They don’t belong here, their culture, morals and ideals do not align with those of the West.
Interesting to see racism rear its head.
And with strong thumb-approval.. 7/10 (That’s 70% for the innumerate)
“Muslims aren’t a race”
So is it OK to take the piss out of them and not be ‘racist’?!
😉
Doing the first part of your statement proves that you are the second part of your statement.
Well, it has been happening to Christians for the last 100 years now – and nobody raised an eyebrow!
So what’s the difference?
Would constant threats and acts of extreme violence possibly have anything to do with it?
I agree, which is why the comment didn’t mention race. It mentioned an identifiable group, Muslims. Similar to how the French once identified the Huguenot; a distinct group of people whose culture clashed with the majority.
The problem is Muslim culture is incompatible with western cultures. For example, many Muslims adhere to the view popularised by Islamic scholars that national loyalty and patriotism are a form of idolatry. The true Muslim is only faithful to Allah. If you’ve had close experience with them you’ll be aware many are sincere in their devotion to their religion. It is often a key part of their identity in way that is rare with Christians, for example. That unwillingness to identify with the territory in which you live makes it difficult to assimilate. In our case they rarely become British or wish to.
That’s a problem. The problem is very evident in France. It will become increasingly problematic in the UK too.
I’m going to take a flying guess here and suggest that somewhere the study it will say something along the lines of “we recommend (…more money for…) further study into these findings…”.
Just invert the story for a more accurate interpretation:
Taking either the AstraZeneca or Johnson & Johnson injections places you at greater risk of suffering heart disease.
I suspect in time that explanation will be confirmed to be right on the money.
And the studies don’t show that either..
“…the studies…”? Which studies are you referring to?
…
Indeed.
However, once people have got to double perforation and beyond the likelihood of suffering from aches, colds, sore throats and the like is significantly increased.
Shouldn’t that conclusion have read: “but in the meantime it would be advisable to proceed on the basis that if you’re not at significant risk from a respiratory virus, best to avoid these experimental vaxes entirely”?
If they did ask this, then their credibility takes a knock. They should be asking why trails have so few numbers as to make any signal useless, given they’ve injected this shyte into millions.
The mass false imprisonment and detention without trial (some people refer to it as a lockdown) was a good thing according to this BBC report The lockdown stopped us attacking each other Serious violence rose after lockdown restrictions ended – BBC News The reality is that this is more guff produced by academics and embellished by the corrupt BBC Even the graph produced by the BBC shows that the violence increased with the introduction of imprisonment for all (with the exception of Downing Street) in 2020 Even if one accepts the violence increased it was at a level below every year back as far 2000 ‘The university’s Violence Research Group analysed data from 74 emergency units in England and Wales in 2021 and found an estimated 146,856 people attended A&E for treatment of violence-related injuries – a rise of 27,745 people on 2020.’ My memory may be playing tricks on me but the ‘lockdown’ rules were in place for 75% of 2020 were still in place in 2021. The report actually shows the exact opposite of what it claims. Violence increased for the first time in 20 years during the period of false imprisonment Ah well, future research grants are… Read more »
Still unrelated to the article…..
Are you the Article Police?
Well he self-identifies as a tree. Where are the lumberjacks when you need them?
Dogs piss up trees
I’m astonished by the intelligence of your responses.
True though!
Have you been away on leave, Private Tree?
All purpose!
The only drug trial data and results that are meaningful, and which I will trust from now on, are 10 year real world ones.
I wouldn’t even trust them.
Time for a vaxxtermination truth bomb. Adenovirus products AZ and J&J are no longer on the table in the UK. Ask yourself why this may be? How do I know? Due to needing for employment reason to be in Georgia USA pdq come mid May I’ve had to concede to the digi-bio-security matrix system. USA is out of bonds for the unvaxxd. As are most of the G7 in fact apart from the UK for now. When told of my travel commitment, I thought no problem the CDC recognises the J&J one shot vaxx. So imagine my surprise when you find out its nowhere available? Even in Eire, my boss would have paid for me to fly to Dublin to save time I spoke with multiple Pharmacy they did use it last Oct… but all contracts for the product are now closed. In the SW of England here’s what happens. There is no choice… as a dutiful compliant citizen you just turn up and whatever has been pre-mixed for the day goes in. Again, no problem I thought so an NHS approved pharmacy I went to, and I’ve opted for Pfizer rather than Moderna… however the laughed at my request.… Read more »
I’m not sure what you’re trying to say. I merely commented that I wouldn’t even trust a drug that had undergone ten years of clinical trials. If prescribed a drug I first check a) the NNT b) the ARR c) side effects and then make a decision. Perhaps you’re suggesting the SARS CoV 19 vaccinations are a con, well I’m not disputing that.
I’ll point it out clearly for you…
This NHS vaxx program is not about the UKs health and well being [the scienceTM tells us that] and has been for months now…. its all about a bio-digital-security matrix system…your passport linked personal BioID authentication…that will eventually dominate all interaction with your nation state Govt.
To activate the NHS travel vaxx app you have to upload to the Govt server cloud a recorded spoken video message… and wait 24hrs for it to approve who you be. See what they did there?
Think integrated control to driving licences, digital wallets, social credit scores, health records, tax details, your good boy/girl complaint citizen spending habits and your limited protein choices…
Its defined as the NEW NORMAL
Well thanks for your use of bold typeface. It really helps poor little me understand your profound insight into the reason for the vax pass. Maybe you’re right, but then again, do I trust the judgement of someone who has allowed himself to be injected with snake venom?
NB I’ve followed your lead and used bold type to help with your comprehension.
In Finland all of our health info is already on one ‘platform’.
“Kanta produces digital services for the social welfare and healthcare sector. These services benefit the citizens as well as social welfare and healthcare service providers. Kanta Services are e.g. My Kanta Pages, Prescription service and Patient Data Repository.”
“With the Kanta Services, patient and client data is shared easily between social welfare and healthcare organisations, pharmacies and citizens. My Kanta Pages is the citizen’s view to their own data.”
And, yes, that’s where our Vaxx Passes are stored. And all of our interaction with the State is done through our bank accounts which verify our IDs. You also need a smartphone to receive key codes from your bank / this service to proceed.
Handy sometimes, but definitely creepy. Every time you access a service it’s all recorded.
https://www.kanta.fi/en/about-kanta-services
However, the reverse does not seem to be true. An unjabbed friend from the USA moved here for good in February. She has no intention of ever taking any of the products. She had negligible hassle on the journey although she had to fill in a form and take a test in the USA before leaving.
She commented that England felt free-er and less of a COVID police state than even Florida, where she’d lived since autumn 2021.
I think in due course she might become an unjabbed UK citizen, assuming that the WHO takeover is slowed/derailed. I’m sorry that you can’t even become a US resident – let alone citizen – without bowing to the medical fascists.
That one is currently under way with the faux-vaccines.
It might be a moot point but why do people persist in using the term ‘lockdown’
I am of the opinion that the terms ‘false imprisonment’ and ‘detention without trial’ more accurately describe what was done
The term ‘lockdown’ was handed down to us by the dictatorship
However I accept the term ‘lockdown’ originated in the penal system to describe more severe restrictions imposed on inmates who had already been deprived of their liberty; so it that sense it is accurate
Not a moot point..just one unrelated to the subject.
The phantom downticker is revealed
I’ve down-ticked tree so you don’t have to.
You all seem united in the face of actual facts.
“You all seem united in the face of actual facts.”
What does that even mean?
The difference is, in the penal system lockdowns can be justified when there are serious prison disturbances because they work.
And lockdowns surpressed infection, until vaccination saved the day.
Ha, ha, ha, you’re joking, right? You must be, nobody’s that stupid…
Oh, so that’s why nobody has been infected after getting the jabs.
Well an awful lot less died, did they not?
Or do you deny this also?
Fewer people died in the placebo group, so why do you have that un-mathematic opinion of the jabs?
The word is “fewer” not “less”. But even when corrected, your comment means nothing. Or do you deny it means nothing?
The term ‘lockdown’ is to make people feel like naughty criminals. Guilty by default.
FYI ‘
Why were ingredients known to be associated with clots permitted in Covid injections?: the British regulator stonewalls’
https://www.ageofautism.com/2022/04/british-regulator-stalls-clot-ingredients-covid-injections.html
I don’t know if the editors and writers for DS read the comments, but I would like to make a plea.
Modern journalism might want to build their article to a climax and conclusion – leading readers up to it.
In this age of information overload with limited time to read and analyse it, I think that for a site with an academic foundation it would be much, much better to give a summary of conclusions at the beginning. People can then dig into the detail if they want or need to.
The last two paragraphs could have been put at the beginning:
“Based on this, it seems most unlikely that the adenovirus-vector vaccines really reduce non-Covid mortality or cure heart disease. More likely these were random events, assisted by short and possibly weak follow-up.
While adenovirus-vector vaccines may not be as bad for the heart as mRNA vaccines, they have been found to cause some serious and deadly blood clotting issues. More data on vaccines and mortality are needed, but in the meantime it would be advisable to proceed on the basis that any apparent association between the Covid vaccines and improved heart health is coincidental.”
Excellent input Les. My take? The grubbermint knew full well the vaxx damage done to the many numbers dished out at the Covid 1984 plandemic beginning… Way too many folk especially the younger peeps got vascular issues thanks to the AZ clots shots… Hence why since Savage Jabbid replaced Hatt Mancock…they have been quietly taken off the table. Ditto the same vaxx tech was used in the one-shot wonder J&J product. Both are no longer being injected in the UK, and I’ll bet the EU. There is however an age/weight mRNA product demarcation ongoing – Moderna for adults, Pfizer for 5-to-19 year olds. Someone, somewhere knows full well what’s rolling. IMO this essentially, EUNATO/WEF/MIC/GloboCap backed digi-bio-health global reset hasn’t had anything to do with citizenry well being at all. Quite the opposite. Where first world Western society has to be mass formation psychosis led in the ‘eyes’ of the controllers requires the ‘enviable’ system the CCP has utilized for the last decade or so. As I pointed out earlier… this is the New Normal. Life circa 2019 style is never, ever coming back. Increasingly staycations….climate lockdowns… and good citizens will not stray too far from base home…say just 5klms or… Read more »
Jabber’s analysis sounds fair to me.
Best get flying & travelling & enjoy life before it’s too late!
As an expert?
“As an expert?” Do you think you could stretch to writing sentences rather than meaningless phrases?
Executive summary. The main points and conclusion.
“I think that for a site with an academic foundation”
What makes you think this?
And I’m supposed to take scientists like this seriously when they claim Sars-cov-2 is a real virus?
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.
And you have evidence that it isn’t a real virus, do you?
Please reference.
Has it been isolated?
Virus-Isolation Is It Real? Andrew Kaufman MD Responds To Jeremy Hammond
https://www.bitchute.com/video/UnpfmjmXNH0O/
I started laughing when I saw the headline. What is AstraZeneca most famous for apart from every product they produced being a failure? Blood clots. What do blood clots cause? Strokes. Where does your blood get pumped from and delivered to your brain? Heart. To even begin to suggest that a drug which causes blood clots, and has been taken off the shelf in many countries because of it killing people, is going to save lives is ludicrously comical. These experimental, never will be approved, drugs are killing people. Full stop.
Barbie of Death.
If a pharmaceutical company ever did accidentally invent something that cured disease, they’d destroy it, the research, and the careers of anyone who made that claim.
Maybe not while it’s still in patent.
Given that Docotrs are one of the biggest if not the biggest cause of death perhaps fewer people are dying simply because fewer people have being going to Doctors.
Fewer are dead because Docotrs haven’t been killing them with the standard treatments that normally bump them off.
Yes, the sum of all medical intervention has possibly become more harmful with time. See e.g. Malcolm Kendrick’s 2014 book ‘Doctoring Data’. ‘The Clot Thickens’ is said to be even better but I haven’t read it yet.
Years ago, if you had a car accident, or fell off a roof, the NHS would do its best to put you back together. Nowadays, the NHS tests nearly everyone’s cholesterol and BP at age 40 or 50 and puts you on profitable but possibly harmful drugs.
I read that statins cause diabetes in 1-2% of recipients. High blood sugar is a cause of heart disease unlike, er cholesterol.
This is medical malpractice. Even people who should be more sceptical fall victim to it.
Perhaps you should write a paper on your theories.
Be sure to mention that you read it somewhere.
So you think the lipid hypothesis is true do you?
One of the best developments of the last two years (there haven’t been many) has been the heightened awareness of just how deeply Big Pharma has penetrated the world of medical practice.
How many doctors have been turned into not much more than their agents and suppliers?
You are completely wrong.
There is 100% correlation between drinking water and death, so that’s to blame.
Why were Ingredients Associated with Clots Permitted in Covid Injections?: the British Regulator Stonewalls
Adenovirus, you say? The one that’s causing all those kids to get hepatitis… hmm
I’m sure the jab has reduced the number of people dying naturally from heart disease.
I thought April Fools day was the first of the month?
Apart from the fact that the numbers of deaths is tiny and the period very short, making any statistical conclusions difficult, how many deaths would you expect for that number /period. I know in the Pfizer/Moderna trials the numbers of deaths in both arms were well below what would be expected. They unblinded the trials early on and offered the vaccines to the placebo arm. I wonder did they do the same in all the trials?