On St George’s Day, Should We Feel Ashamed About Britain Profiting From the Transatlantic Slave Trade, or Proud That We Helped to Stamp it Out?
We’re publishing an original essay today by Dr. Paul Jones, Head of History at an independent school, to mark St. George’s Day. Dr. Jones takes issue with the fashionable view that Britain’s history is an unbroken litany of oppression, exploitation and self-deception and points out that, while we bear some of the responsibility for the horrors of the Transatlantic Slave Trade, the British were hardly alone in participating in slavery, and, unlike other nations, we were at the forefront of abolishing that trade.
First, Dr. Jones focuses on the debit side of the moral ledger.
According to Martin Meredith, Britain was responsible for the trafficking of over 600,000 slaves from Africa to America between 1791 and 1807. The National Archives suggests that Britain transported 3.1 million slaves between 1640 and 1807, though some estimates put the figure far higher at 12.5 million and the UN suggests about 15 million people were shipped as slaves across the Atlantic. Conditions on board slave ships, known as ‘Guineamen’, were utterly horrific, with slave traders cramming as many people below deck as possible to maximise potential profit and offset the costs of those who died during the Middle Passage. From the 1500s to the 1800s, 10% to 30% of slaves being transported died in the cramped and insanitary conditions of their ships. As Olaudah Equiano’s account of his experience of the Middle Passage shows, treatment of slaves was predictably brutal as slaves were regarded as cargo rather than humans, with floggings and beatings being used to maintain control. Even worse things could happen. One infamous incident occurred in November 1781 when the crew of the British slave ship Zong threw over 130 slaves into the sea to save food and water and strengthen their case for an insurance claim. Arrival in America and living on a plantation was hardly any easier either. Disease was rife and one in three slave children died before the age of 10. Slave owners handed out all manner of horrendous punishments to those who resisted or tried to escape.
He then contextualises this by pointing out how many other countries and empires have been involved in slavery throughout history.
The truth of the matter is that England arrived relatively late to the slave trade. Slavery had existed for thousands of years before England engaged in the Transatlantic Slave Trade. Ancient Egypt relied on slave labour for construction projects, notably the pyramids, and ancient Greece likewise made use of slaves – Herodotus claimed slaves, known as helots, outnumbered free people by as many as seven to one in ancient Sparta. The Roman economy heavily relied on slaves too. Viking raiders enslaved people in any area they targeted, whilst Arabs began enslaving people from Africa from about the ninth century, establishing the trans-Sahara slave trade. Arab slave traders continued to be prolific in East Africa throughout the 19th century, and pirates from North Africa enslaved at least one million European people between 1500 and 1800. Slave labour provided the power source for the galleys deployed by Italian city states and the Ottomans for centuries and proved crucial in the Battle of Lepanto in 1571. Roughly 6.5 million people were enslaved and shipped across the Black Sea from 1200 to 1760.
English people were themselves subjected to the terror of slavery as the coastline of Britain was frequently targeted by Barbary pirates. So severe was the problem that it was stated in the Calendar of State Papers in May 1625 that “the Turks are upon our coasts. They take ships only to take the men to make slaves of them”. Raids by Barbary pirates became so problematic that Parliament established the Committee for Algiers in December 1640 to deal with the ransoming of those who had been taken into slavery. Edmund Carson was sent to Algiers by Parliament in 1645 to negotiate the release of English people taken captive and he ended up spending the final years of his life trying to secure the liberty of further English slaves. Yet, despite Parliament’s efforts, North African pirates continued to terrorise England’s coast until combined British and Dutch military forces finally stamped the problem out in 1816 and freed 4,000 slaves in the process.
Finally, Dr. Jones describes Britain’s efforts to stamp out the Transatlantic Slave Trade.
The Royal Navy was deployed to actively suppress slave trading and in 1808 the West Africa Squadron was formed under the command of Commodore Sir George Collier to hunt down and intercept ships involved in slave trading. Some £4 million was spent from 1870 to 1890 maintaining naval forces off the coast of East Africa for the purpose of suppressing slave trading. This would equate to £547 billion in today’s money being spent on efforts to fight for freedom, whereas the U.K. Government has perhaps spent anything from £310 to £410 billion on efforts to restrict freedom through Covid measures. Average GDP from 1870 to 1890 was £1.259 billion and defence spending during that period typically constituted £0.03 billion, or 2.38% of GDP (Britain has often spent about 2% of GDP on defence in recent years). Maintenance of anti-slavery patrols on East Africa alone thus accounted for about 0.015% of GDP or 0.634% of defence spending, and all done with just a fraction of the number of bureaucrats we have today. Whilst it may be true that only a small percentage of slave ships were intercepted by the Royal Navy, perhaps less than 10% by the West Africa Squadron, and some might complain that Britain should have committed more resources to the task, the fact of the matter is that Britain made a clear effort (and a far greater one than any other country) to suppress slave trading. That effort yielded results. Around 1,600 slave ships were intercepted by the Royal Navy between 1808 and 1860, liberating about 150,000 slaves. Liberated slaves often ended up joining the Royal Navy and were themselves involved in freeing other slaves. Between 1866 and 1869, a further 129 slave ships were captured and another 3,380 slaves were freed. Action by the Royal Navy in 1873 shut down the slave market in Zanzibar and British Governor-General, Charles Gordon, made concerted efforts to end the slave trade in the Sudan. It was after Khartoum was captured and Gordon killed by Mahdist forces in January 1885 that the slave trade grew again. British anti-slave trade operations continued into the 20th century, with British action suppressing the slave trade in Tanganyika in 1922. One simply cannot ignore or deny the fact that Britain was at the forefront of the anti-slave trade movement.
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Why should a whole nation have to pay? Surely we can check the historic records and get the names of the owners of the ships and the owners of the cargo.
If you check the records, you will find that the slaves were sold to the shippers by their own compatriots, who are at least as guilty as the British…
where are these records you claim to have checked? Who has these records? Or are you bluffing,i’d bet a pound to a penny yoy’ve never seen any of those records. The first step to redeeming you nation is to accept what you you did and quit hiding behind lies.
where are these records you claim to have checked?
Where do I say that I have checked any records?
The first step in any discussion is to read what is written, which you have not done. besides, your nation is just as guilty – if not more so. What did you do to stop slavery?
I’m inclined to think you’re right, but actually the words “If you check the records you will find…” do plainly imply that you yourself have checked them. The way to counter ‘lordsnooty’ is simply to provide a source for your claim.
the words “If you check the records you will find…” do plainly imply that you yourself have checked them.
No, they do NOT!
They imply that I know what you will find – though that knowledge may well be gained from other sources.
For example, I may say that if you check the records of water height at Tower Bridge, you will find it going up and down. This does not mean that I have ever checked them – it means that I know that the Thames is tidal at that point….
That’s really along the lines of::
when you turn up with advanced weapons and cheap commodities that are valuable to the incumbants your effectively taking advantage and exploiting the locals.
Large parts of the world exist on far less than $10 a day, I you brought 5 of them to the UK and paid them $20 a day for 8hours work that would be considered modern slavery even though your paying double their local rate & likely easier work.
Saying their own compatriots sold them out completely ignores the fact that those sales would not have happened if British where not buying.
It strong today & was wrong back then.
Saying their own compatriots sold them out completely ignores the fact that those sales would not have happened if British where not buying.
Quite right. They would have been killed as sacrifices. Being shipped as slaves gave them more chance of living.
I don’t think you understand how African tribal society worked. Members of enemy tribes were routinely captured and killed. Selling them as slaves was advantageous for both captive and captor…
Absolute bollocks.
so by your reckoning it would have been ok for the UK to have enslaved those the NAZIS where slaughtering in WWII?
the vastness of Africa wasn’t 1 country or 1 culture all operating the same way.
you just present narrow minded viewpoints to promote your own world view.
its a bit like having a jab because some false study that actually was a letter to some journal said it’s ok, when actual other data showed it was at best pointless and at worst dangerous but no one would look at that data because it wasn’t a popular view and against national or regional interests.
Get a decent education. The one you have isn’t working.
There you go the reasoned debate of an intellectual.
perhaps some more mung beans for your broth tonight and some extra scratchy hair for your shirt.
on the topic of education yours clearly wasn’t complete, I will be generous and assume you where not paying attention, the alternative being you simply didn’t understand what you where taught and continue to struggle in that department today. .
Yes, I remember the story about the native of Tanganyika in Roald Dahl’s Going Solo.
A wage is not an absolute amount, it is purchasing power. Purchasing power in London for accommodation is minimal.
A living wage will cover the costs of accommodation, heating and lighting, food and water, being adequately clothed and shod, being able to socialise in a temperate manner and being able to enjoy some simple pleasures of life.
Oh, and to put a bit by for a rainy day.
Wages around the globe are entirely non-comparable, because the costs of living are likewise incomparable.
Why would anyone have to pay? Why is it even a subject? the slave trade in white people by Arabs and Africans isn’t discussed.
Neither is it much discussed that here today, and for at least 30 years, gangs of men of predominantly Pakistani origin, are sex-enslaving mainly white schoolgirls.
Of course, as the Pakistani men will vote for the Labia Party and schoolgirls don’t vote, that’s fine. All in the interests of diversity.
With the obsession of racism no one can discuss race realism, or perhaps cultural realism.
As time goes on we will test the hypothesis all the immigration is based upon, that immigrants become British. Time will tell.
“Racism” is now just a weapon used the International Extreme left used to destroy Bourgeois western society .
When are we going to talk about Chinese “racist attitudes? Or the way Arabs treat their Filipino and African servants?
Not great for the “slaves” in Qatar, I heard. Apparently some two thirds of the population are foreign nationals.
As you are no doubt aware it is just propaganda. A background noise that goes unexamined by most. Say it often enough and our inhumanity becomes accepted.
Covidmania taught us facts have little bearing on a narrative. I don’t think this one will work as it is too far away in time. But it will convince the masses we have some sins to atone for. At least right up until economic collapse that is, then the woke will be given a lesson in why spending your life agonising over historical events doesn’t put food on the table.
The woke, normies and sheeple are going to get a very rude awakening soon. Maybe not; I wonder if they’ll ever realise why they are dying. They behave like cattle, happy munching in their field, that nice man brings them hay when the grass is short. They become a little confused about the cattle truck but it’s ok that nice man is herding them in there. They wonder what the slaughter house is about then die in their confusion about where they are.
Beware the smiling, cackling Billionaire Philanthropist, waving a syringe!
Because it involves wrongs done to White People – which don’t count – simple!
This is an impossible form of moral economics: a complete waste of intellectual energy that creates resentment all round.
It might be worthwhile concentrating our efforts instead on making the most of ourselves (which just can’t be done by those encouraged to have a victim mentality).
Along the way there will be co-operation and agreement, and competition and disagreement; but at least it won’t be (if DS will pardon the expression), a pointless wank.
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“This is an impossible form of moral economics: a complete waste of intellectual energy that creates resentment all round.”
That’s the point.
Diversion into permanent “guilt trip” while we are being stuffed over by the Global Elites like never before!
I agree.
Quite.
We can’t rewrite history.
Don’t say that to historians!
I don’t mind how many versions of history there are. People have different perspectives and it’s interesting to see them.
But I object to facts deliberately ignored in order to make a case and to wilful ignorance about historical context for the sake of moral grandstanding.
History teaches us that history quite often needs to be rewritten. One of the key points that is often missed today is that history is fundamentally different from science, and thus historical science (and modelling) different from actual observational science.
History teaches us that it was written by the winners. And when journalism, aka the first draft of history, is made up drivel produced by propaganda merchants, the chances of historical facts being anything but pure fiction are very small.
No you can’t. Can I rape your daughter and say that ‘everyone was doing it, including Muslims and black people, so it doesn’t matter!’ ?
>creates resentment all round
you certainly resent it, I can tell that!
I’m not sure that I resent it personally, perhaps because I’ve never been on the receiving end of it myself!
But it does mightily annoy me, because I’ve seen people distressed by unfair accusations, and others who have become whining parodies of what they could be if they would only stop blaming everyone else (including the long dead) for their problems.
Aren’t most of them related to the current “Ruling Elites”?
Quite. Are the Italians, Greeks, going to have to pay for their skav8ng days? Then there’s the Norwegians and their ancestral Viking shaving exploits on this island.
(In that film about the vikings, I think it was Kirk Douglas who insisted on being the only clean shaven one amongst all the beards 🙂 )
If I became aware that my elders had been transported like this, I’d go after all the whities to teach them what’s what!
If I became aware that my elders had been transported like this, I’d go after all the whities to teach them what’s what!
Your ‘elders’ WERE treated like this. Slavery was common to ALL cultures back in the day. Until the British put a stop to as much as they could…
I told you, my ancestor helped with the feeing of English slaves in North Africa in the 18th century. Admittedly the slave triangle business was more recent, but still 19th century, when the British working class were treated appallingly. What about my ancestors down the lead mines?
I wonder if those connected to the English slaves in North Africa in the 18th century were ever paid any compensation….
(I should add that things were so bad for some people in 19th century industrial England that it was dubbed “white slavery”).
I feel neither pride nor shame about what my ancestors did and in any case my ancestors were probably working in the fields.
Indeed. I got a fair way back in my ancestry on my father’s side and things were tough back then for the working stiff. Even my paternal grandfather had a hard life compared to my father or myself.
Indeed – life for a factory worker or field worker was not really that much worse than for a slave. My family were labourers going back several generations- they benefited nothing from the slave trade, other than moving from working themselves to death in the fields to working themselves to death in the factories as the industrial revolution swallowed the land they worked.
The only beneficiaries of the slave trade were exactly the same 1% who continue to screw the peasants to this day. And that 1% includes – very near the top – the African tribal leaders who ran the trade in their neighbours souls long before and long after the British Empire was involved.
Valuable comment.
Exactly! And a few centuries before they would have probably been serfs – bonded labourers tied to the Manor and the land……in effect “slaves”. If we are talking slavery we need to address the Ruling Class since 1066 .
As ” Digital,Techno Feudalism” is what Schwab and Co have in mind for the ‘plebs’ perhaps we should take a look at them first? We know that Schwab’s father made giant turbines for the Nazi Heavy Water nuclear weapon project in Norway …and we know that much of German wartime labour was slave labour, using prisoners of war and transported civilians from the East.
The word “slave” is derived from slav of course, as there were so many Slav slaves it the late Roman Empire.
The contemporary slave trade has of course not been stamped out as the article claims – it is just never talked about.
“Exactly! And a few centuries before they would have probably been serfs – bonded labourers tied to the Manor and the land……in effect “slaves”. If we are talking slavery we need to address the Ruling Class since 1066 .”
Andthe disgraceful enclosures, where people were thrown off land their families had farmed for generations, sometimes to face a choice between stealing and starving.
Well, your/my ancestors likely were surfs (a form of slavery) or pre-Norman Conquest actual slaves of other Saxons.
Blqcks think they’ve cornered the market in having ancestors who were slaves. And of course many of their African ancestors were slaves to other Africans in Africa.
Serfs! Damned spell-checker.
I’ve often wondered about education. Earth 2022, no slavery anywhere, as far as I can see. (Sarcasm).
I feel DS has somewhat lost it’s way lately, and duff articles like this don’t really help.
If you want to do slavery how about investigating countries where it’s happening to people right now? Or would that be too uncomfortable as the perpetrators aren’t white westerners?
Slavery continues to this day in the fields of East Anglia and Lincolnshire.
There is the possibility that this article is designed to make people realise how lucky they are that they have not been crammed into ships for a bumpy ride across the Atlantic eating slops and drinking their own urine, and that they should appreciate the freedoms they have and they shouldn’t criticise the Government too much.
“Look – others have it worse – stop complaining!”
And the sweatshops of Leicester East, ruled by the criminal Claudia Webb.
And still it goes on.
I doubt that the article has been designed to do that at all. It’s just a response to attempts by the race obsessed left to guilt trip white people for something they haven’t done.
Anyone with even a tenuous grasp on history who doesn’t realise how comparatively lucky we’ve been over the last 50 or so years is a bit slow.
Unfortunately, most are now firmly in the ‘don’t know what we have ’til it’s gone’ camp and are blithely munching away in the pasture.
100% correct.
I had hoped that my children would have an even better life than me, looking unlikely now.
Is it supposed to be evidence of ‘balance” – if so why bother when the rest of the Media and all Social Media is just pure Leftist Globalist Woke propaganda?
Neither, because WE did neither.
At most we can remember it and learn something from it if we like.
Proud that we stamped it out, it was going on a lot longer before we got involved and most likely would have continued if we hadn’t pushed to end it. Question, why the vendetta against British History, and not against other countries who in more recent times have caused world wars
I’m not sure what slavery has to do with discussions on lockdowns/Covid restrictions. It’s a bit like “Ooh, look! Ukraine!” .. now it’s “Ooh, look! Slavery!”
How about comparing BMWs to Mercedes, or discussing the Israel-Palestine conflict? Or the takeover of Cadbury’s chocolate by Kraft/Mondelez? Or was it wrong of the Romans to invade Britain?
Anyway, haven’t we done slavery before? The same old arguments and views to be wheeled out yet again. I thought we were in some kind of crisis where our freedoms had been seriously curtailed by The Covid Show and that dealing with that was of the utmost importance. But now it’s musing about slavery, which happened many years ago (of the Africa to America via Bristol type). I think the general conclusion is that “slavery is bad”.
Next: Were The Moon Landings Faked? Discuss.
Surely it’s time for a piece Madeleine McCann?
Long overdue I would say!
Were the Russians inolved?
Only in knowing who was involved so they could blackmail British and EU officials to ‘do their bidding’?!
This site was renamed “Daily Sceptic” from “Lockdown Sceptics” a while ago, for reasons set out by the site owner, that seemed coherent to me.
The argument that the corona madness is connected to other trends in thinking is pretty strong, so IMO all of these issues are up for discussion.
If people believe that this site has lost ts way they are free not to visit. However I am with you all the way J.
Yes indeed ! It is vitally important to see that they are all linked and being staged in sequence -against the background of the the constant agitation destabilising ‘psyop’ stress-maker recommended by Sage.
This is a long planned progressive ” Take Down” of the West its way of life its economy and and its peoples fro the sole benefit of the unholy alliance of the Extremist Deranged Left, Billionaire elites, the Globalist Banks and the Corporates- joining the dots answers all those silly “Why”? questions the sheep keep asking!
Next: Were The Moon Landings Faked? Discuss.
Yes they were.
You’re being ironic aren’t you? Please tell me you are.
After the last two years, and all the “fringe”/indie journalism I’ve been reading as a result, I no longer believe the establishment story about 9/11 and must say that it no longer sounds completely idiotic to wonder if the moon landings were real. I still just about believe they happened, but I’m no longer 100% sure.
Moon landings fake, 100 percent, no doubt about it whatsoever. The problem is all the brainwashed closed minded people who “just want a quiet life” and all the other excuses they come up with to justify their closed minded disposition. We need to have very open, very loud conversations about the fact that the Establishment is running the world on lies. We need to have large scale open source investigations into viruses, flat earth, chemtrails and climate scams, 911, 77, bankster influence, and all the other taboo subjects which they spend billions of £ ensuring these subjects NEVER get the scrutiny they deserve. Daily Sceptic is one such operation, posing as a “Sceptic”, yet in reality doing the opposite and shutting down legitimate enquiry into some of the most important issues regarding true reality.
Moon Lander Fabrication Analysis
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s6vAiyUIQog
20 Proofs NASA Faked the Moon Landings
https://www.bitchute.com/video/joNLiRUIV0M0/
Apollo Moon Lander clearly made out of paper and various other stationary grade materials
Surely it is much more important that slavery is happening today, is endemic in several countries, and needs stamping out now?
I don’t care about other countries. I care that it’s happening in the UK. The solution is to deport the slaves and make them someone else’s problem.
The Muslim rape gangs targeting white girls is just a version of modern slavery.
Mohammed the founder of that foul religion was a slaver who raped his slaves according to the Muslims own historical accounts.
Social workers in the Finnish city of Oulu have worked out how to prevent migrants from ‘other cultures’ raping Finnish girls:
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/SvIQaIgKiO4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s2Uru_vZZ8U
Checkout staff in all the supermarkets = slaves. Workers for Amazon = slaves. Face masked waiters/waitresses at the G7 meetings = slaves. Truck drivers = slaves (how do you fancy sleeping in the cab all year round with little chance of a shower, and having to pee into a bottle as there’s no time or place to stop whilst driving?).
We just don’t call them ‘slaves’ any longer and even now the Elites are planning their Smart Cities to lock them into their pods whenever the Elites feel like it.
Can’t people see that Shanghai is now the Lockdown model for the Western World? Johnson and Gates can hardly wait for their next ‘even more deadly pandemic’ to suddenly appear from nowhere to enforce it!
See how the Banks are already experimenting with their power to arbitrarily block customer transactions and their accounts to “keep people safe” – two hours to get through on the phone to challenge the decision……. which apparently was “inexplicable”!
Canada was the dry run.
Slaves don’t have a choice.
Workers for Amazon, face masked waiters/waitresses at the G7 meetings and truck drivers do.
And if their alternative is to be penniless living on the streets?
Neither – shame on those who were complicit in any slave trade. Big respect for those who fought against it. As for being responsible for the actions of one’s forbears, how ludicrous. Mine had a habit of getting in big boats and raiding places whilst chopping the odd head off.
Nobody who believes in mandatory, or even coerced, jabbing is in any position to whine about slavery.
An excellent point.
My own view is that the whole of the last two years have seen the people of the UK voluntarily enslaving themselves, or allowing others to do so. I have ventured this opinion to others, and received the expected howls of execration. The surrender of personal rights and freedoms, in exchange for servitude and oppression, cannot be described as anything else.
“Mass Psychosis” – put in place by ‘experts’ ( see S.Michie)
That evil witch has gone quiet lately. The planning meetings must have started…
Both.
But remembering every nation, every culture, every race, every colour, has some inconvenient history when it comes to slavery.
This recent trend of apologising for acts we personally didn’t commit is pure virtue signalling.
I do not feel ashamed of anything that was going on in this country in the 18th Century or at any other period of history outside my own lifetime.
I would be very interested in your arguments in support of your opinion on this country profiting from slavery
Neil didn’t say that, did he?
Not with you. What didn’t he say?
I didn’t own slaves, nor did I pick cotton, so I have absolutely no interest in that.
I do, however, feel ashamed that slavery is alive and well in Labour wards across the UK today.
Aside, I bet you didn’t know that Saint “George” was actually Turkish and his real name was Geórgios Yaxley-Lennon.
Being critical of slavery in the 18th Century, destroying statues, is about as silly as complaining about the savagery of certain dinosaurs sixty million years ago and imprisoning crocodiles for their refusal to reform.
Britain’s role, the British Empire’s role, in eradicating slavery is something of which this country can be proud; to be celebrated.
I don’t think about it as I have never owned a slave. As far as I know, historically every country used slaves, some still do. I cannot understand this need to apologise to people who aren’t slaves but whose ancestors might have been. Some people need to get a life!
I’m appalled. It would appear from your graphic that were separate ‘mens’ and ‘womens’ toilets on these ships
I demand justice for transgender slaves, we must atone for this crime
Mens? Womens?
The plural of man is men. The plural of woman is women.
Not any more
I think it was actually meant to be plural possessive, but the addition of the additional quoted identifier apostrophes made that look odd. Mens’ and womens’ toilets.
Men’s. Women’s
If you lot don’t stop I’m going to take my ignorance elsewhere
Bog off then. Do you see what I did there?
I’ll do so at my convenience
I can understand your confusion. Apostrophe’s (sic) rarely occur on toilet doors. And anyway my comment was to TBP going all poncy over plural possessives and still getting it wrong.
‘Plural possessive’ is a hate crime please stop
I await my suspended prison sentence in the post.
Hanging has been abolished.
I hang my shirts.
In 200 years’ time, politically correct historians will be exclaiming in horror at the brutal treatment imposed on the victims of lockdown, everywhere. It would be nice to think that the UK might go down as one of the first countries to put a permanent stop to lockdown bestiality. One can always hope.
In 200 years time we will have been replaced by people who do not produce historians. See South Africa and Zimbabwe for details.
Acid Reflux Nighmare: Eddie’s drink-induced anxiety dream about being stranded on a desert island with the other cast members, where all his insecurities and inadequacies come to the fore and Bill turns out to be the better man in almost every respect.
If any of us are left.
That’s all alright then, all is forgiven as all the other Europeans where doing it too.
I guess it’s alright for china, Putin and other wrongs too.
Everyone who buys products Made in China is supporting Slavery. Discuss.
Everything is made in China apart from Wedgewood ceramics, which, ironically, are made in Indonesia.
They are also being ripped off with tawdry junk, that lasts a few months and are helping to destroy what is left of home based manufacturing so making us totally dependent on an oppressive, tyrannical Communist system, that ultimately wishes to reproduce itself here – with it seems the aid of our own Elites- and will do nothing but harm.
Bollox. The computer you’re tapping out your messages on is a precision instrument probably made in China.
Had we competed with the Chinese in manufacturing we would be paying Chinese wages now.
Thatcher recognised this and turned the UK into a service providing country, the intellectual and financial high end of of the world. Whatever is manufactured, stored, transported, traded etc. requires finance, legal support, administration etc.
When did you ever meet a poor banker, lawyer or trader?
It’s an interesting thought the British ships so nobly engaged in the battle to stop slavery were themselves manned by people who had often been pressed from English coastal villages and towns, and they endured the harshest of conditions – often for years on end. Slaves in all but name.
Historians estimate that only approx 2% of the British population had any involvement in the slave trade, even at its height. The reason for the transport of human beings to the Americas was the labour shortage there. People were needed to work the plantations, which were owned by immensely rich landowners growing crops like sugar and cotton. In addition in America, (not Britain) individuals could own slaves. There was no need for slavery in Britain as the native British population provided an ample supply of impoverished cheap labour. If they committed a minor offence, such as stealing food, they were themselves transported as indentured labourers, or hanged. There was little difference in the status of a British worker and a slave. This is why the propertied classes outlawed slavery in Britain in the eighteenth century. There was no economic need for it. British merchants were a significant force behind the Atlantic slave trade between the sixteenth and nineteenth centuries,[1] but no legislation was ever passed in England that legalised slavery. In the Somerset case of 1772, Lord Mansfield ruled that, as slavery was not recognised by English law, James Somerset, a slave who had been brought to England and then escaped, could not be forcibly sent to Jamaica… Read more »
The ancient egyptians did not use slave labour to build the pyramids, which were built by village labourers and specialists. Check out John Romer.
Yes Kate, the ‘Somerset Case’ is justly famous – both for the outcome, and for Lord Mansfield’s words; but the legal status of slaves and slavery in Britain had been tried and debated for a long, long time before that. The question of human bondage, serfdom, slavery, vassalage, villeinage call it what you will, was both a philosophical and a legal matter. By late into the second half of the eighteenth century, the common law – the system of precedents set by real case judgements – had swung back and forth on the issue like a pendulum. The critical base authority was the writ of habeas corpus which originated from the Assize of Clarendon in 1166, during the reign of Henry II. In 1215, the monarch was made to acknowledge this – and more – in Magna Carta (Article 39 on liberty). At the Star Chamber trial of John Lilburne in 1637, Cartwright’s Case of 1569 was quoted; ‘…one Cartwright brought a slave from Russia, and would scourge him, for which he was questioned; and it was resolved that England was too pure an Air for Slaves to breathe in.’ In the cases of Chamberlain v. Harvey in 1696, Smith vs. Brown and Cooper in 1701 and in Smith vs. Gould in 1706, Lord… Read more »
Great post, thanks
Indeed.
That’s one of the most informative pieces on this subject and its position in English Law that I’ve read. It’s a shame that those ignorant and uninformed tub-thumpers and others that rail on about slavery do not acquaint themselves with these facts.
Anybody heard of Sarah Forbes Bonetta? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sara_Forbes_Bonetta She was rescued by an anti slaving ship in 1850. She was destined to be killed as a human sacrifice by her African captor. Subsequently adopted by Queen Victoria and educated and brought up in the royal family. In July 1850, Captain Frederick E. Forbes of the Royal Navy arrived to West Africa on a British diplomatic mission, where he unsuccessfully attempted to negotiate with King Ghezo to end Dahomey’s participation in the Atlantic slave trade.[7] As was customary, Captain Forbes and King Ghezo exchanged gifts with each other. King Ghezo offered Forbes a footstool, rich country cloth, a keg of rum, ten heads of cowry shells, and a caboceers stool.[8] King Ghezo also offered him Aina, who was intended to be a gift for Queen Victoria. Forbes estimated that Aina was enslaved by King Ghezo for two years. Although her actual ancestry is unknown,[9] Forbes came to the conclusion that Aina was likely to have come from a high status background since she had not been sold to European slave traders.[8] Describing Aina in his journal, he wrote: “one of the captives of this dreadful slave-hunt was this interesting girl. It is usual to reserve the best born for the high behests… Read more »
Some of the slaves shipped to the American Colonies (up to 1776) were (white) British & Irish transported into indentured servitude (a form of slavery) instead of being hanged or sent to gaol.
Some of those indentures were bought by black people – not every Black there was a slave.
Terrific comment.
I am of he opinion that we should pay compensation
However in the interests of fairness that compensation should be commensurate with the wealth of our ancestors
I have trawled through our family records and discovered that during the relevant period our family owned a total of four turnips
In a spirit of reconciliation I am prepared to donate three turnips
Good to have a balanced view., However, I believe we are collectively also owed a bob or two for the treatment of our ancestors by the Roman, Danes, Normans and out own ruling classes.
From tracing my ancestry back to the 1500s (before the slave trade) I am confident of almost constant serfdom, with not a shred of slave ownership. Mea definitely not culpa.
Four turnips. Lucky lucky berstards. I gather that mine only had four pebbles. However the blessing of that was that pebbles lasted a lot longer and you could suck on a pebble all day.
My ancestors wealth consisted of a bucket full of shit.
Can you guess how much I’m willing to give up.
Certainly not the bucket, I hope.
And we should claim back rent on the Caribbean islands which we gave away; and a contribution to the costs of the Royal Navy operations.
I strongly suspect that many of my ancestors were serfs …. little better than slaves. So I’m a bit conflicted …… should I be furious that they were effectively owned by the local Lord, or proud that the English ended serfdom long before many other countries (ie Russia, where it continued until the early 20th century)?
Oh …. and who’s going to pay ME reparations for my ancestors’ serfdom? Which is what the BLM campaign about the transatlantic slave trade is really about.
The Black Death effectively ended serfdom in practice, but Elizabeth I banned it officially.
Anyone, anywhere, living today is responsible for their own actions. Nobody knows what sufferings they caused before this life, neither do they know what sufferings they experienced.
If anyone is foolish enough to adopt a feeling of pride or injustice based on arbitrary association with people in history, then their actions in this life will be hampered by attachment.
As a counterargument against the obsession with a past we cannot change, what about a discussion about a future we can? Our cultural enemies are not the most rational of people but, with the climate agenda, they have introduced the notion of modelling as a reasonable way to establish current policy. So let’s model something much more useful, namely demographics. By 2100 white Europeans will be a tiny minority of the world population, which is what drives much of this clamouring for revenge, the idea we are now weaker and can be pushed around. One simple projection sums it up; in 1950 there were about two Europeans for each subsaharan African. By 2100 there will be seven Africans for each European. In the richest traditions of the woke brigade here are my predictions if this happens. Slavery will come roaring back; despite the derision we face it is us, Europeans, who ensure it is verboten; our replacements are rather less bothered; the number one target will be Africans; most of the world does not share our rosy view of equality between races; the Oriental cultures alone view this as patently absurd, and their views on Africans would land you in… Read more »
As far as I can see, in the UK, and much of the western world, we are all slaves anyway. The appalling physical conditions may be ameliorated, but not the basic relationship between us and the people who think they own us. I am not allowed to work without permission of the state, therefore cannot feed and house my family without permission of the state. NI number. 40 years ago you could do cash in hand jobs, like work in a pub, cleaning etc with no problems. Loads of women did that sort of job, while the kids were at school. I suspect the minimal loss of tax revenue was far less than the cost of benefits and without the administration overhead. I pay a tithe of my labour, two and a half days per week at least, to the state. I am not allowed to work unless I can produce state issued documents. Passport, proof of address, … I am not allowed to purchase a property without state permission. Passport, driving license…. If I wish to purchase a property, and am allowed to do so, I must pay a tithe of my past and future labour to the state.… Read more »
Great post! And yes it is profoundly “soul sapping”!
The central heating will be but a fond memory soon enough.
Rocket mass heaters.
Slavery is already back with the new P&O workers earning £2.50/hour.
Expect the P&O boycott to last as long as the Tesco’s boycott.
Slavery could return as early as 2024. If we sign up to this Pandemic treaty being pushed by the WHO, an organisation of no legitimacy whatsoever, and then adopt mandatory vaccination, the population is effectively a slave population.
By definition slaves do not own their bodies.
Only if current population continues. Worryingly, countries with sensible birth rates (above replacement level) may go the way of most of Europe
It is extraordinary that so many people appear to be totally incapable of understanding that the people who lived 200+ years ago are not the same people who are alive today.
Prove it
You mean in the olden days? That’s about the level we are at.
On a psychological level it is projection. A well understood phenomenon. Despite 50+ years pouring money into poor parts of the world some groups just aren’t keeping up.
When your identity is partly based on the equality racket how can you explain global inequalities? You must keep the past alive and remind us we are privileged.
Be proud or ashamed of one’s own actions: fair enough. But to be proud or ashamed of other’s actions decades ago (or even nowadays) is frankly daft.
Will we be called ‘slaves’ to the WHO in 2023 when countries sign up to their Global medical intervention Plans
I was neither involved in the slave trade nor did I have anything to do with stamping it out and I very much suspect that applies to everyone who comments on here.
With your white supremacist name how can you say this? We are all guilty.
Look I’m just a troll slayer and dragon killer, have spear, will travel and all that.
The wokists tell that all cultures are equal and must be respected, none is better than any other (they do this whilst denouncing anything to do with white British people and our culture).
When those early European travellers went to Africa seeking to trade they found African rulers who wanted to pay with slaves.
Now surely accepting those slaves and using those slaves for their intended purpose was in accordance with wokist ideology.
For the Europeans to denounce the African cultural practice of slavery would have been an act of cultural spremacy and the woke have taught us that this is high crime.
lol 🙂
My Sussex ancestors, impoverished farm workers, were slaves by any other name, tied home and then homeless and the workhouse when they died
I am white and British (just think, sixty years ago I wouldn’t have needed to use the word white to explain what I am everyone would have known that being British meant you were white). Apparently I am responsible for absolutely everything that any white British person has done that is considered to be negative but I am not to be credited with anything that any British person did that was positive. Funny old world innit? When we are told to look at the trans Atlantic (is the Atlantic unsure of its sex) slave trade no one seems to ask a few fairly obvious questions. 1) What would have happened to these slaves if they were not shipped to South America or North America? Would they have lived lives of freedom, peace and harmony or would they have been kept as slaves in Africa or sold to the Muslims who would cut the nuts off of the men and killed the offspring of any of the women they raped? 2) You only have to read The Road to Wigan Pier by George Orwell to understand that life for many of the regular British people was no better than the life… Read more »