Millions of Patients told “Don’t Go to A&E Unless You’re Dying”
Millions of patients were urged Wednesday not to go to A&E unless they are dying after six trusts warned of waits of up to 12 hours in emergency departments. MailOnline has more.
Trusts across Yorkshire claimed the pressures have left them with no choice but to prioritise patients in “genuine, life-threatening situations”.
West Yorkshire Association of Acute Trusts, which covers 2.5million people, said its casualty units were “extremely busy”. Figures show there has been a “sharp uplift” in patients attending over A&E over the past fortnight, with the total number of visits up 14% on the same time last year.
Meanwhile, in another sign of the constant pressure NHS medics are facing, South Central Ambulance Service – one of the largest trusts of its kind in the U.K. – declared a critical incident this morning, telling patients to make their own way to hospital unless their injuries or illnesses are not serious.
The service, which covers seven million residents across Berkshire, Buckinghamshire, Hampshire, Oxfordshire, Sussex and Surrey, asked the community to only call 999 in an emergency.
Their warnings came as millions of Britons started paying more national insurance from today, with Boris Johnson insisting the 1.25% hike is ‘necessary’ to bail out the NHS and social care in the wake of the pandemic. The Prime Minister insisted it was the “right thing for the NHS”, which has seen waiting lists spiral to a record high after hospitals were forced to cancel thousands of operations during the pandemic.
Ministers insist the tax rise, tagged the Health and Social Care Levy, is needed to help tackle Covid backlogs and reform the adult social care system – raising £39 billion over the next three years.
But health chiefs warned the service is already behind schedule in its routine care recovery plan because of rising numbers of Covid patients. More than 16,500 hospital beds are currently occupied by infected people in England, similar to levels seen during the worst part of the Omicron wave in January.
Chris Hopson, head of NHS Providers, said the rising rates – which appear to have finally slowed down – coupled with staff absences “mean that we’re not going as fast as we would like on backlog recovery”.
With over half of ‘Covid’ admissions currently being incidental admissions, i.e., patients being treated primarily for other conditions, the question is why these hospitals can’t cope with slightly higher numbers of patients than normal. The number of Covid patients in mechanical ventilation beds is way down on the second half of 2021. So it doesn’t appear to be COVID-19 that is causing the problems.
So what’s going on? Are too many staff staying at home with a runny nose?
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I had to go to an A&E for an eye test last week and there were more staff than patients! mostly enforcing mask wearing rules! and I still have to wait four weeks to see a specialist!
If you were to pay you could see said specialist that same day in the afternoon.
If you were to pay TWICE you could see said specialist that same day in the afternoon.
Yeh that’s very true and it isn’t right but that’s the only option you have. Add in the post code lottery for drug availability and you have a system that is grossly unfair
Would that be the same post code lottery which sponsors Global Warming propaganda together with the foreign office and are suing Oil Companies in the high court, to switch off this deadly Global Warming we are experiencing today in Scotland?
The first payment is to subsidise low wages for migrant workers.
I would be wary of going private for eye treatment. I know two people (one my wife) who have gone private for cataracts, been sold an expensive and fancy lens which has gone wrong and required further treatment. A later conversation with the optician revealed that the NHS don’t recommend that lens, not because it is expensive but because it so often leads to trouble. The profit motive doesn’t always lead to the best treatment.
As opposed to socialised healthcare which leads to no treatment at all.
That’s a problem which can’t really be solved: When paying for private health care (or paying for private-anything, for that matter), there’s always a chance of accidentally paying a con man. OTOH, when health care is provided by the state, it basically means effective and timely treatment only for people staff happens to like. Neither system is perfect.
I think the German one is quite well-designed: Everybody must have a health insurance and the default health insurer is essentially a public service. But a doctor’s practice is a private business and – at least theoretically – competes with other doctors for patients.
I won’t argue this one. No system is perfect. The best one for one country may not be the best for another. Just don’t assume private is best for every circumstance.
Extortion to subsidise other people’s lifestyles is always wrong.
All the countries operating a 1st world healthcare system such as Germany, France, Switzerland, Austria, Singapore, Japan Australia etc etc are
a) A lot closer to perfection than the UK with its 2nd world NHS.
b) Operating a variant of Social Insurance which gives more local & personal accountability, more choice with lots of options for many types of healthcare, small or no waiting lists, greater life expectancy & much much less bureacracy.
Its the very concept of a Stalinist National Healthcare system that is the root cause of our 2nd world status.
France has a similar system wherein everyone must pay into the State ‘sick insurance’ but it only reimburses 80% of in-patient and mostly 70% of other costs such as GP, physio, lab & X-ray. The balance is for the patient most of whom buy private top-up insurance.
Over 50% of providers are private with charges set according to a ‘convention’ agreed with the State. There is some variation but the patient pays up front and gets reimbursed. But the important thing is providers per patient, per treatment. The providers are in competition too, and as far as GPs are concerned, you are not tied to any one. So if you don’t like your GP or the can’t see you when you want, you go elsewhere. That’s an incentive to see patients quickly and give a good service.
The NHS has no incentive to treat patients quickly, in fact there is a perverse incentive to slow down patient-throughput and treat minimally and least expensive option to save budgets… hence long waiting lists.
Correction: But the important thing is providers only get paid per patient, per treatment.
The way it actually works in Germany is that public-insured patients are always second priority and the private-insured patients (who can be milked for up to 3x more cash for the same treatment) are served first. Of course, this unfairness is forbidden by law, but hey, the private cash cows subsidize the underpriced public health service treatments. In the result, the public patients are angry because they are not treated quickly, and the private patients are angry because they are getting ripped off.
You have the answer – pay. Be rebated our tax and NI and go private. Sorted. Thus the customer’s always right and this customer says no mask wearing
Private care should be salary sacrifice like buying a pushbike is.
Medical care is a luxury good, but it has been designated a ‘Right’ so the State can get involved and let the political class have more control.
It is technically possible to allow an opt out – a choice either to pay NIC or have a portion of NIC & Tax redirected to private insurance. This was done back in the 1980s for SERPS where it was possible to opt out and a portion of NIC redirected to a private insurance policy of your choice.
This would break the State monopoly on medical care and allow a competitive, private market to develop for health insurance and provision.
So the NHS could still lumber along and people could choose for themselves (Choice! The horror! 😱) how best to look after their own medical needs.
If the NHS is so brilliant then it would flourish and the private market fail. So why not try it? (Rhetorical.)
“More staff than patients” – that sounds like an NHS A&E department.
I bet half of them were standing around computer screens too.
Computer screen – the new watercooler.
Work well them masks – no hospital acquired covid infections obviously. The evidence is there. No chance of catching covid or anything else wearing one of those. So what’s the problem? Covid cannot possible exist because of the glorious mask wearing.
Ah you got it wrong there Olaff, this little Chinese virus is far more clever than that.
Do you not know that if you are sitting down in a Scottish pub it cannot touch you.
As soon as you stand up and dare to move, it grabs you by the Trossocks and you are doomed, doomed I tell you.
What? Getting round/through the mask? Surely not? Do our esteemed leaders know this? Panic stations. Do us Swedes (not the vegetable) have Trossachs? Fortunately I populate English pubs. Hope for me yet!
Just like the MSRH infections that kept sick people from risking their lives by going anywhere near a hospital.
LOL… I’ve had my upcoming ophthalmology appointment cancelled and remade 6 times.
You can imagine my confusion when they wrote to me in December to say that ‘due to unforeseen circumstances’ my appointment in April would be cancelled and rescheduled.
My husband has had the same experience. Having been told it was critical that he start treatment in 4 weeks for an eye problem, he then waited 9 weeks for an appointment. His treatment is supposed to be every 4 weeks but that rarely happens – it can be anything up to 8 weeks between appointments. The next appointment can’t be made at the appointment he’s at as the system won’t let it be made there and then and so he has to wait for a letter to arrive. They can’t email apparently. It’s not anything that can be done easily privately as he asked about that. It’s totally frustrating. When it’s cataract time he’s going to have it done privately – probably by the same consultant!
Who could possibly have predicted that 2 years of fear porn, restricted access to healthcare and making everyone paranoid about getting the sniffles would lead to this kind of problem?
Me, I predicted it. What’s my prize?
Hang on, I predicted it too so we’ll have to share…
“Only go to A+E if you are dying.”
How do you know whether you are dying or not? Unless of course you are medically qualified. I wouldn’t imagine all UK households are equipped with an in-house doctor.
If you are dying, will A+E be able to miraculously revive you?
You might not be dying, but you might have something which A+E could treat.
Go to A+E.
After all, it isn’t as though you can be seen by a GP is it?
Epitaph:
Well, I didn’t think I was dying…
Exactly. How can they possibly think people at home, with no medical training are competent to decide for themselves whether they are dying, or not? I attended recently, because of abdominal pain which I’d put down to a gastric ‘flu bug… turns out I was literally at death’s door due to a rogue appendix. If I’d left it any longer, I’d be a statistic.
Why didn’t you describe the symptoms as ‘covid-like’ symptoms?
OURNHS staff get cash if they write Covid anywhere and rack up another ‘case’ for Whitehall to scare the sheeple with.
So pleased to see how well the ‘jabs’ are improving the health condition of the nation and its fine NHS.
So pleased to see someone use “its” properly 🙂
👍
A friend of mine had a stamp made: reading “it’s = it is”!
MoT’s
That would be correct, as MOT is an abbreviation. I can see why people find this sort of thing confusing though.
It is, but more correctly it’s an acronym, and most correctly, an initialism.
(The temptation to start that sentence with “It’s, but…” was almost overwhelming).
I don’t think it is, if it’s plural? So, “the MOT’s due on my car”, is correct. But, so is “our cars need their MOTs”, surely?
MoT = Ministry of Transport test. The plural is MoTs – no apostrophe as it is a plural not a possessive.
To be fair, Apple auto”corrects” its to it’s all the bloody time
Must be one of its Jobs?
Apple? Well – ’nuff said.
Autocorrect from US software houses just demonstrates the adage “two countries separated by a common language”
Or “it has” as in “it’s been nice”
Spot on – my friend didn’t think of that!
I love it when we do Grammar 1.01.
For himself or others?
Equally: It’s so nice to see someone use “its” properly.
Now that you have sorted that out, is there any chance you could tackle those “persons” who cannot spell TOO and get it confused with TO
TU
The two words too and to are their to cause problems for they’re users wherever there.
Beautifully put. Your sew write.
And I’d like to argue for the use of “led” where appropriate, instead of “lead”.
And – on a roll – it’s “between you and me”, not “between you and I”. Annoyed by superior looks I receive from people who regard “me” as a word used by stupid people who don’t know how to talk proper like they do.
I’m also appalled at what’s been done to ‘we the People’, who seem to remain nominative whatever happens to them.
Isn’t it more correctly these days… ‘between zn and mx…’?
A man after my own heart 🙂
It’s dependent on what you mean by its.
Would that be the same NHS that’s the envy of the world?
Maybe other Countries are pleased Britain did it so they don’t have to.
Hospital staff without symptoms are still being tested and if positive are self isolating.
Totally unnecessarily.
Two explanations:
1) blowback
2) the bosses know exactly what they’re doing.
A week’s paid holiday every few weeks? What’s not to like?
I’d put good money on this being a combination of more people starting to get sick because of the side effects of the ‘COVID vaccines’ – not just the ‘official’ ones, but of the diminshed immune systems after they (quickly) ‘wear off’, but also of the asbenteeism of the NHS staff all out on sickies because they have ‘the sniffles’, exacerbated by the authorities increasing (again) the ‘symptoms’ of ‘COVID’ to essentially include anything resembling a ‘cold’.
And the Public keeps falling for this cr@p. God help us all.
Sure, the “public” keeps falling for it. Meanwhile, practically every single f***er in the country who’s higher up the opinion chain than the “public” – almost every single authority figure, from medics to headmasters, from local council executives to “health” visitors – keeps funnelling this cr*p TO the public.
And woe betide if you try to argue against it or try to point to something akin to logic.
The really cunning bit is that the new and very much publicised health problems allegedly caused by having or having had covid – no matter how long ago, just happen to mirror the adverse effects of the jab. Thus in an instant heart problems etc. were/are caused by the virus, never the jab.
TRPTB/government/bigpharma cabal think they’ve covered all the angles.
Not daft are they. No sign of sheep yet awakening.
Was it Dr Will who christened it “plausible deniability?”
Indeed. The best lie is the one sandwiched between two truths (quoting-ish from The X-Files).
“No sign of sheep yet awakening.”
“conspiracy theorists often present themselves as having a gesture of superiority. They think that they have a secret knowledge that is kept from others and enjoy the feeling of being special. While other people are naïve and need to wake up from their dogmatic slumber, conspiracy theorists view themselves as skeptics who don’t fall for deception. Plus, they always have a surprising story to tell.”
but only appeared shortly after the jabs despite a year of coof staling the land giving runny noses and coughs to most..
As the spectator link also shows even by official statistics numbers in hospital being treated for covid has peaked at a much lower level than the peak at 10th January 2022 (6,509 on 5th April 2022 vs 8,582 on 10th January 2022). Here’s my chart from that NHS data.
So yes not covid related even if we work off official statistics.
It is the Easter break from school, and people (including NHS) are going on holiday whether they can get official leave or not.
That’s absolutely correct. In addition, we have just seen the end of the 2021/2 NHS holiday year, so staff who had exhausted their 2021/2 holiday entitlement will inevitably have been very tempted to take the opportunity to throw a sicky at the end of March.
Or they’ve had to book 2021/22 annual leave before they lose it when the new financial/annual leave year starts.
Dr. Jay Bhattacharya: The Catastrophic Failure of Lockdowns, the ‘Single Biggest Driver of Inequality’ in the Last Half Century
https://www.theepochtimes.com/dr-jay-bhattacharya-the-catastrophic-failure-of-lockdowns-the-single-biggest-driver-of-inequality-in-the-last-half-century_4382898.html
“They worked to create an illusion of consensus that didn’t exist … by working with the press and big tech to suppress the voices of scientists who disagreed with them.”
In this episode, we sit down with Stanford University professor of medicine Dr. Jay Bhattacharya. He’s a physician, epidemiologist, public health policy expert, and one of the three co-authors of the Great Barrington Declaration, which argued for focused protection of the most vulnerable, instead of crippling nationwide lockdowns.
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And the same could very much be said about climate change, or Donald Trump being the worst human being eva!
And Vladimir Putin having no reason to rescue Russian-speaking, ethnically-Russian victims of violent regime-change in Ukraine.
Easier to see a doctor in A&E than a GP.
True, but dont be surprised if they misdiagnos you like they did for me (twice). They gave me anti-fungal cream for shingles which exacerbated the problem.
I too had a problem with Shingles, seeing two different GPs and a consultant to no avail, and eventually visited a medical herbalist, who correctly diagnosed Shingles within two minutes of my entering his practice.
Later, I had an appointment for a Shingles vaccine but, tbh, I’ve about done with vaccines of any kind after the dangerous fiasco of the covid jabs.
That was a language problem – you speaking English made it difficult for them.
Especially for New Britons rocking up with an interpreter/fixer claiming that they’ve just arrived and aren’t registered with a GP yet.
That’s from personal observation of this happening, with reception staff (also New Britons) reciting “We-will-make-an-exception-this-one-time” by well rehearsed rote.
It should come out of their pay.
Not surprised. I get a monthly text from my GP’s surgery essentially saying not to bother them as they are short staffed and too busy.
Well worth being expropriated more in National Insurance for then?
Oh wait, sacrificing the entire country to protect the NHS was, in fact, moral nihilism, the morality of death put into practice.
It really is a joke, isn’t it? They’ve cocked up an already stretched ‘health’ service with their two years of lunacy, and now that it’s broken, it’s going to cost even more.
Crooked politicians always need to get their rocks off by gauging more money out of us.
It shows they are ‘doing something’.
Am I reading this right? Call an ambulance if you’re not seriously ill?
What am I missing?
All the right words but not necessarily in the right order.
M+W classic with Andre Previn!
I wondered about that too. perhaps they meant make your own way to hospital unless injuries/illness not serious in which case don’t come at all?
As the headline says don’t come unless you’re dying, I wonder a) how am i supposed to know I’m dying, b) if i am dying, what’s the point of bothering them, and c) if i did know i was dying, i would prefer to stay at home and die in my own bed!
Well Maggie May, I look in the obit section of our local rag, and if I’m not in there I get up and play golf.
Do you really expect all these brown-faced politicians to have a perfect command of English when they patently aren’t English?
The official NHS staff absences (England) data only comes out every month. The attached chart is the position up to 2nd March 2022.
The next monthly spreadsheet is due out next Thursday (14th) and will contain data up to the first few days of April. Will give some clues as to what is happening staff wise.
You get squalling like this from the NHS every single year. Gies back way before covvie.
Indeed, our Envy of the World is always two weeks from collapse.
Makes the front page of the Guardian at least once every winter, going back years and years!
…to send shed loads of NHS ambulances overseas F.O.C to help ferry ex-White Helmet propaganda film crews and their murderous Nazi Azov employees around East Ukraine incognito.
Yes I heard about that on UK Column news yesterday. Unbelievable.
I only wish it were.
They are also spending who knows what on TV ads, advising people to visit their GP if they think they’re ill. You couldn’t make it up.
Maybe the various A&E’s around the country wouldn’t be so swamped if doctors did their fucking job. They also need someone on the door of A&E turning people away with things that are clearly non-urgent. Last time I was there, some years ago when a contact lens tore and went missing somewhere above my eye, there were people nursing cuts that a plaster would have sorted, a girl limping who had clearly sprained her ankle at worst and various other wastes of space. A hell of a lot were foreigners too.
Is their nationality relevant?
Unless they pay NI, possibly so.
enough NI too. If they’re imported people they need to earn at least around 26 K a year to break even on state spending.
I thought it was in the mid £30ks.
But as they are increasing the population they need to earn much more than that in order to also fund the extra infrastructure.
Yes. Because from personal observation, they will rock up to A&E with a well versed translator/handler who will demand instant access to primary care because “Not registered with GP yet”, and they’ll get it too.
“NHS overseas patient’s £330,000 unpaid bill”
Do you want to cough up the money for Priscilla’s bill?
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-38809530
Or their presence necessary?
On the other side of the coin, the niece of a friend of mine died last week after being admitted to hospital with breathing difficulties, and themn discharged later the same day. (She had been asthmatic.) The same night, she developed severe leg pain as well as the breathing difficulties. The paramedics were called but were unable to revive her.
That’s awful.
Had she been clotshotted? Leg pain could be blood clots
At our A & E the veterans usually turn up with a two litre bottle of coke, a couple of bags of family crisps, a packet or two of biscuits and a ‘phone charger and settle down to await their call.
For reasons passing understanding, that cracked me up.
There should be a poster in A & Es all over the world, asking people if they have the necessaries you’ve listed. Otherwise, bugger off and get them – because you’re here for a while.
I am not making this up AE.
Unfortunately, owing to erm chest problems I have had more reasons to visit A & E than I would like.
Some of the patrons clearly see a visit to A & E as a day out.
Well, it’s probably more interesting than what’s on the telly – what with the occasional sirens and all. And the beeping.
On an entirely different note – look after those chest problems!
Thank you once again AE.
“A hell of a lot were foreigners too.”
You are an unpleasant racist.
Truth is usually unpleasant.
Figures up 14% on the same time last year. So given they knew that waiting lists were stacking up and that A&E was the only place to go given the absence of GPs, why wasn’t something done about it? Or is that too much to ask well-paid managers?
If the idea is to kill off the NHS as it is, one might wonder if those layers of management aren’t doing exactly what’s required of them.
Dido Harding and her hubby have been trying to sell the NHS off for years – and now they have succeeded. It’s all been ‘outsourced’. Jolly hockey sticks, says Dido, as she raises her glass of champers!
Shouldn’t she be drinking Carthaginian spumanti?
Seems like sensible advice.
If you can make your own way to a hospital, why call for an ambulance?
I think we’ve seen over the last two years the potential consequences of furiously demanding the NHS “cope” with demand: a draconian violation of civil liberties so that the NHS can cope.
And more money won’t solve the problem. We can’t afford what we are spending as it is.
The sooner we accept the limitations of the NHS the better.
Maybe the NHS should ask Ukraine for some of their ‘surplus’ ambulances back…?
https://www.theargus.co.uk/news/20047368.britain-send-surplus-ambulances-ukraine/
Based on my wife’s experience of working at our local trust hospital, the answer to Will’s question in the final paragraph is “yes”, although as big an issue is the trust’s slavish devotion to the concept of Working from Home. All staff, including clinicians, who can feasibly WFH are being encouraged to do so, meaning that there are fewer staff actually on the premises to cope with short term issues like staff sickness.
(As my wife would testify, it’s no fun being one of those deemed to be an essential member of the administrative staff, forced to wear masks throughout the entire working day and running around doing relatively low-level chores to enable more senior clinicians and managers to work comfortably from home, never having to face that tiresome commute or engage with angry patients.)
Has your wife requested a copy of their full risk analysis for insisting on masks being worn? It should include all the latest research, for and against mask wearing. If they can’t supply one she doesnt have to wear one.
It might help if GP surgeries were told NOT to send patients to A&E.
I recently had a painful medical condition while I was away from home. The NHS own website states that you can go to any GP when away from home, and they can see you as a visiting or emergency patient. You can have emergency treatment for up to 14 days, or register as a temporary resident for up to (but not exceeding) 3 months.
Except you cannot. My friend with whom I was staying asked his GP surgery for help for me and they flat out refused. Said they “didn’t do that”. Simply did not want to know. I was referred to either A&E or a Minor Injuries Unit, where I could sit and wait.
I ended up in a MIU where I waited for 4 hours. But the GPs…………don’t bother us, mate!
I read recently of a GP surgery that apparently has a nicely typed notice on the door: “Please do not enter if you are sick”…
GPs are doing God’s own work, which is saving OURNHS.
They must not be distracted from this essential work.
Germans rejoice as the news filters through that parliament has voted against compulsory Covid jabs, leaving Austria as the only country with the disgusting measures.
https://t.me/thegreatreopeningreadingchannel/7438
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Italy still “Green Passported” though?
And France
Having just returned from a GP visit I fully understand why people go to A & E.
First of all appointments are offered on a four weekly basis. When I saw the GP she told me the appointment was only to discuss my ‘bloods’ and she was far from happy when I took my written agenda out. And then we didn’t dicuss my ‘bloods.’
Not the worst encounter with a doctor but damned shabby by any stretch.
If I had been assessing her she would have been a categorical FAIL.
So, don’t go to A & E and GP’s require four weeks notice.
Rock and hard place. Deliberate engineering?
I’ve noticed that this has become the MO now for GPs – send you away for bloods and then base their entire diagnosis on them. My rather jaded interpretation is that this is preferable to the messy business of trying to actually diagnose and treat illness.
Got to A+E HP.
Stop paying staff to be at home, if they all went onto SSP from day 1 there wouldn’t be this problem.
A lot of our ‘newest resident’s’ use the A&E because they can’t sign on legally with a GP
I had to attend A&E recently with a ruptured knee cartilage. I didn’t get to see a doctor but was discharged with written notes on how to manage the condition at home and instructions to contact my GP if it got worse. Over the next few days the swelling and pain got considerably worse so I phoned my GP as instructed only to be told to…go back to A&E. No-one wants to know.
Can I suggest you move doctor. There are some decent ones.
I’m doing so. I found a GP who expressed doubts about the injection. This is just in case by 2024 or -25 they’re made mandatory.
So there’s no hurry, but I want to make my views crystal clear to the existing practice, i.e.
your service is shite
you impose illegal mask mandates
you clearly care more about your payments for BP and cholesterol tests than you care about my health.
I am fairly certain my shabby treatment at the surgery this morning was down to the fact that I am unjabbed and my records marked accordingly.
Mind you that is not to excuse a GP that has no business being allowed to practice and practice is the operative word, on a captive customer base.
What a total shambles – the pure unbridled madness of a broken NHS and health care system. Cannot access GPs or hospitals now. Anyone know a cheap Medicine Man? Any tribe will do as not discriminatory.
Why do we let this go on? This is absolutely pathetic!
They turn up to drink coffee and check their pensions.
De-fund the NHS, it is not working!
I had to attend A&E recently as I’d fallen off the roof trying to put out a fire,(the fire brigade said they don’t do house fires any more unless you are a trans ethnic).
We suspected I had broken my back, the ambulance service told me to stop bothering them with such a minor issue and to book in for a GP appointment next year.
The wife decided to put me in a wheelbarrow and take to to A&E (we couldn’t use the car as there is no petrol anywhere in town), when we got there the staff just laughed as they had tick tock dancing lessons booked in from now until September 29th and they were dedicating themselves to being fully prepared for the next deadly coof season.