How the Medical Establishment Covers Up the Harms of Adding Fluoride to Drinking Water

We’re publishing today a piece by Robert Carnaghan, in which he challenges the received wisdom that adding fluoride to drinking water to protect teeth is safe and effective. In fact, he says, there is no robust evidence it is effective, and plenty of evidence it is harmful – but all of this is suppressed by a medical and scientific establishment that is in up to its neck defending claims that don’t withstand scrutiny.

Here’s the introduction:

The addition of a fluoride, such as hexafluorosilicic acid or disodium hexafluorosilicate, to public water supplies has been recommended in a joint statement by the four Chief Medical Officers of the U.K. The Government’s Health and Care Bill, which has reached its final stages in Parliament, includes a small section to facilitate water fluoridation, which is now expected to be spread throughout the U.K.

Although water is already fluoridated in a few parts of the U.K. (mainly Birmingham), for nearly forty years no new schemes have been implemented since local opposition has managed to defeat them all. The Government is now determined to impose its wishes.

A recent press release said that “higher levels of fluoride are associated with improved dental health outcomes”, and that the “Health and Care Bill will cut bureaucracy and make it simpler to expand water fluoridation schemes”. The Bill’s explanatory notes state: “Research shows that water fluoridation is an effective public health intervention to improve oral health for both children and adults and reduces oral health inequalities.”

For about 70 years it has been claimed that fluoridation reduces dental decay, and that it is safe. Although there is abundant evidence showing that in fact it is neither effective nor safe, the proponents of fluoridation have long had the advantage of far greater funding than that available to sceptics.

Trials of fluoridation started in 1945 in the U.S. and Canada but, before any had been completed, and without any comprehensive health studies, fluoridation was endorsed as safe and effective by the U.S. Public Health Service. The American Dental and Medical Associations soon added their approval, as later did their equivalents in the U.K.

The original trials were studied by Dr. Philip Sutton in Australia who graduated with honours in Dental Science. Asked to examine them, he found they were of low quality, full of errors and omissions.

In Austria, Rudolf Ziegelbecker also studied the original fluoridation trials and found they did not show what had been claimed. Professor Erich Naumann, Director of the German Federal Health Office, said of him: “Your results have been accepted everywhere in Germany with the greatest interest and have increased the grave doubts against drinking water fluoridation.” Prof. Naumann added: “It is regrettable that the existing data on water fluoridation had not been examined earlier using mathematical-statistical methods. Otherwise the myth of drinking water fluoridation would have already dissolved into air long ago.”

Worth reading in full.

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Catee
4 years ago

Already got my flouride filters up and running 😊

Aletheia of Oceania
Aletheia of Oceania
4 years ago
Reply to  Catee

Where did you them ?

Catee
4 years ago

Berkey water filters.

Milo
Milo
4 years ago
Reply to  Catee

Good for you! Berkey supposed to be very good although very pricey.

Yet another way the government seems determined to make as many people as ill as possible without them realising it.

Emerald Fox
4 years ago
Reply to  Catee

flouride?

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John Dee
4 years ago
Reply to  Emerald Fox

I tip my hat to that one.
From a time when the bullshit was just brushed on, rather than ladled.

Catee
4 years ago
Reply to  Emerald Fox

Thanks EF can always count on you to point out typos, the negative etc. I live in hope that one day you’ll surprise me and come out with something either helpful or at least positive….. Come on, everyone needs ‘firsts’ in their lives.

Beowulf
Beowulf
4 years ago
Reply to  Catee

The triumph of hope over experience.

Paul B
4 years ago
Reply to  Catee

I believe my Britta filtered kettle filters out such compounds…

milesahead
milesahead
4 years ago
Reply to  Paul B

I am not sure Britta kettles do – it’s worth checking.

TSull
TSull
4 years ago
Reply to  Paul B

From Brita’s website

Note, Brita® filters keep a healthy level of fluoride, a water additive that promotes strong teeth

mishmash
4 years ago
Reply to  Paul B

Brita filters are almost worthless. Get something like a Propur or Alexapur filter if you want most of the shite taking out of your water, including dissolved pesticides and medication.

stewart
4 years ago

The question I ask myself as a member of the public is: what problem are they trying to solve? Is there a problem?

As I see it, one of the major problems with bureaucracies is that they have to keep finding reasons to justify their existence. So they contrive problems or exaggerate them in order to be able to produce solutions.

I literally had no idea there was a problem with our drinking water that needed the engagement of the Chief Medical Officer and parliament.

Think Harder
Think Harder
4 years ago
Reply to  stewart

There is a problem with tooth decay and it’s quite simple; sugar! Probably several E numbers contributing too.
People can make a choice, feed your children and yourself with lots of sweets and you will get fat and your teeth drop out. They have or should have the right to damage themselves if that is their wish.

Milo
Milo
4 years ago
Reply to  stewart

I don’t see it as a problem they are trying to “solve” – I see it as one of the many many measures they can impose on the population, that we have zero say in or choice about, but which is designed to make people ill.

Fluoride is not a healthy thing to consume.

Castorp
Castorp
4 years ago
Reply to  stewart

Fluoride, in any concentration, is a corrosive. It’s a by-product of heavy industry.

chris-ds
chris-ds
4 years ago
Reply to  stewart

They are just awaiting a gap in the news before they go full onslaught on how kids teeth are so bad, rotten etc leading to mental health issues that would be quickly fixed by adding fluoride which they claim is sage etc. some buried study will say you need to drink more than 4 litres a day before it becomes dangerous which will be based on someone like the rock rather than some normal person who barely consumes 1 litre.

we get fluoride from so many other foods we consume because they ‘fortify’ foods like kids breakfast cereals with it.

pbrosnan
pbrosnan
4 years ago
Reply to  stewart

what problem are they trying to solve?
errr… tooth decay?

Jabby Mcstiff
Jabby Mcstiff
4 years ago

The very idea and the element itself forms part of an Ahrimanic attack. This particular halogen has certain properties that are inimical to human consciousness. And it gives clues in its propensity to replace healthy halogens. How many people pay attention to the quality of the water that they ingest, fluoridated or not. If you are concerned about the nature of reality how can you overlook something that comprises most of your physical body. Is it really that difficult for us to move away from a reductionist molecular understanding of reality. Surely our time is crying out for us to do so. I

crisisgarden
4 years ago
Reply to  Jabby Mcstiff

Didn’t understand your post there but loved it nonetheless!

Mogwai
4 years ago

Was it not Weston Price, a dentist in the early 1900s, who went travelling across the world to look at people’s dental and overall health and the observation he made was that people who ate an unprocessed, ancestral-type diet, full of whole foods had better teeth and general health than those who ate a less nutrient-dense diet? I don’t think fluoride was in drinking water or even toothpaste then ( I’m guessing, correct me if I’m wrong ), which would indicate that fluoride is not the cause of strong, healthy teeth, diet is. Just like it’s a poor diet and brushing technique that is the cause of cavities, not the absence of fluoride.

amanuensis
4 years ago
Reply to  Mogwai

Today’s problem is periodontal disease rather than caries. It isn’t clear how fluoridation will help with this (it might a bit).

Ron Smith
Ron Smith
4 years ago
Reply to  amanuensis

But surely if it is in toothpaste (assuming many types of toothpaste are without fluoride) They why the need for it in water. At least if you brush your teeth with it you spit it out after. I did read about kids toothpaste that if they ingest too much, they must be taken to a Doctor.

tom171uk
4 years ago
Reply to  Mogwai

I seem to recall being taught in school (a very long time ago) that it was noticed that children in poor areas of Sunderland had less tooth decay than children living in very similar conditions in nearby Newcastle. The water supply in the former had high levels of naturally occurring fluoride.

milesahead
milesahead
4 years ago
Reply to  tom171uk

I wonder if that study compared the IQs of those children! I’d wager it was lower on average in the fluoride areas.

Vaxtastic
4 years ago
Reply to  milesahead

Flouride is known to lower fertility, particularly in females. Must be a coincidence.

milesahead
milesahead
4 years ago
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Vaxtastic
4 years ago
Reply to  milesahead

Excellent. Thanks for posting.

Emerald Fox
4 years ago
Reply to  tom171uk

But how about the levels of their ‘consciousness’? Were the Sunderland kids thicker than the Newcastle bairns?

“This particular halogen has certain properties that are inimical to human consciousness.”

When you look at the public wandering around in their face masks you could easily be led to the conclusion that they’ve all ‘been at the fluoride’. I blame Aquafresh.

tom171uk
4 years ago
Reply to  Emerald Fox

Of course Mackems are thicker than Geordies! 🙂

Beowulf
Beowulf
4 years ago
Reply to  tom171uk

Does the fluoride mackem thick?

Mogwai
4 years ago
Reply to  tom171uk

Yes if you support the ‘Magpies’ then you’d agree with that! lol

John001
John001
4 years ago
Reply to  tom171uk

I read that fascinating claim in books on health back in the 1970s. I couldn’t find much on the internet when I looked. The two areas were described as 1 ‘South Tyneside’ and 2 ‘North Tyneside’. Region 1 was supplied by deep borehole water, 2 got (treated) peat bog water through the taps.

The fluoride would be incidental to the beneficial minerals in the hard water, e.g. calcium, magnesium, etc. The finding was that S Tyneside was healthier, despite I assume the fluoride being a bit too high.

Mogwai
4 years ago
Reply to  tom171uk

Oh really? I grew up in Newcastle and I never knew that.

TheTartanEagle
TheTartanEagle
4 years ago
Reply to  Mogwai

Naturally occuring fluoride in water is different from the complex compound chemical version they add to water, it seems to be a by product of phosphate fertiliser production. Who benefits? We know that no-one is really bothered about our good health, so there must be another reason.

The reason so many kids got fillings back in the 60s, 70s, 80s was the nhs funding model. Basically piece rates, a fee for every filling, so it was justified as “preventative” rather than assault and ABH. Armed forces personnel were subject to ridiculous mandates, like all aircrew must have their wisdom teeth removed. Ludicrous, with hindsight.

John Dee
4 years ago
Reply to  TheTartanEagle

Ludicrous, with hindsight.

Or even without.

oblong
4 years ago
Reply to  TheTartanEagle

All the fillings I had as a kid were unnecessary.

Hypatia
Hypatia
4 years ago
Reply to  oblong

Yes, I had a dentist who found “problems” every time I had a check up during the 70’s. Never had so many fillings. I think that one was genuine, but the rest – no.
Didn’t realise it at the time, in those days I was young and trusted the medical profession.

TheTartanEagle
TheTartanEagle
4 years ago
Reply to  Hypatia

Met loads of folk whose teeth were destroyed by 70s dentistry, mouthful of amalgam probably poisoning them too. All those fillings paid for private school for the dentist’s children. Spaying cats provided the same benefit for the offspring of vets. Well it did, now those professions have gone from individual practices to corporate chains, the profits go elsewhere as the pharma shackles get stronger.

Still, the 21st century model of medical care, with no access to doctors or dentists for the plebs, reduces the risk of unnecessary and possibly harmful interventions. Oh, wait, except for vaxxes….

Mogwai
4 years ago
Reply to  oblong

Really? But how do you know? Now I’m wondering about my own….Off topic but I felt the optician saying I needed glasses to look at the blackboard was unnecessary. There was nothing wrong with my eyes then once I started wearing glasses in the class, that’s when I started needing them more as my vision deteriorated. Weird memory as I’m in my 40s now…

Milo
Milo
4 years ago
Reply to  Mogwai

I can think of at least 3 incidences in my dental journey where dentists said I needed a LOT of fillings that, with hindsight I have been fairly sure I didn’t need.

And once they start to fill them that isn’t going to end well.

Gefion
Gefion
4 years ago
Reply to  TheTartanEagle

The NHS filling payments are why children of that era have a mouth full of amalgam. Most of the tooth was taken away and what was left filled with amalgam which often goes black with age and is horrible to look at.

You are correct about no-one really caring about our health and so we are slowly being poisoned. There are articles online if you rummage enough that explain that fluoride inhibits part of the cellular respiration cycle (often called the Krebs cycle) and that can’t be good…

CrouplessCoup
CrouplessCoup
4 years ago
Reply to  TheTartanEagle

Brilliant comment. In about 17 years of being treated at one NHS dentist as a child I had my teeth “cleaned” by a roller sponge being run over them once. Couple that with the piecework financial model and “extension for prevention” drilling reducing tooth substance and the insane use of silver amalgams aka mercury (even in my deciduous teeth – a practice now banned) you can look forward to much ongoing expense in replacing/maintaining former “restorations” – and then having to replace with implants or dentures.

A lot of my silver amalgam fillings failed in my thirties and were replaced by ceramics. I distinctly recall my mood lifting in those years despite increased pressure at work.

Milo
Milo
4 years ago
Reply to  Mogwai

Mogwai you are absolutely right re both Weston Price and re the use of fluoride.

The health of your teeth begins in the gut – you need plenty of fats, whole fat dairy and lots of it, plenty of protein, magnesium, and you need to avoid sugar and white bread, any bread really – by doing that it is possible to “re-mineralise” your teeth and heal some cavities. It has nothing whatsoever to do with fluoride, but as usual the DOH and the NHS come at it from back to front and reach the wrong conclusion.

John001
John001
4 years ago
Reply to  Milo

The NHS is still telling people to eat a lot of carbs. and to beware of saturated fat. It’s all on the NHS website. It tells people to eat fruit and veg. but for people sensitive to gluten – probably quite a lot – the advice on cereals is utterly wrong.

Dr David Unwin, GP, has for 20 years cured about half his type 2 diabetic patients by prescribing a low-carb diet. He gets no thanks from anyone in the NHS/DHSC.

The Weston Price Foundation seems right, as do Diet Doctor and lots of other sites outside the mainstream.

Mogwai
4 years ago
Reply to  John001

Dr Unwin and his wife are great. They come across as lovely people who genuinely care about their patients and clearly have educated themselves in nutrition, as we know doctors get none or next to no training on this in med school. He’s done a cracking job at successfully improving patients’ health and reversing their diabetes. I liked his chart showing the equivalent tsps of sugar in every day foods like rice or bread. Much better visual for people to understand than just numbers only.

CrouplessCoup
CrouplessCoup
4 years ago
Reply to  John001

You can find the insane (malicious?) Establishment pushing of low fat / high carbs diets even for diabetics scrutinised and deconstructed in Cummins / Gerber: Eat Rich Live Long (2018).

The view inescapably forms that all government policy is actually for the benefit of a constituency which does NOT comprise the population at large but rather sectional monetary and corporate interests.

He who pays the piper calls the tune.

Mogwai
4 years ago
Reply to  Milo

Thanks Milo. Glad I remembered that correctly from years back. And of course we mustn’t forget the detrimental effect fizzy pop and other acidic beverages have on dental health. People think they’re healthy having water with lemon or apple cider vinegar but forget to drink it through a straw. Fruit juices are a bugger for eroding enamel too. Even the lactose in milk has bad effects for little kids if the parents skip brushing their teeth before bed. When I was a nurse we had lists and lists of pre-school age kids needing their teeth removed under a general anaesthetic because they’d rotted usually. Terrible.

Milo
Milo
4 years ago
Reply to  Mogwai

Absolutely right Mogwai – I always drink anything with any kind of juice in it through a straw. I bought myself one of those stainless steel ones. When I was a child fizzy drinks and even fruit juices were very expensive, so they were a treat, and only consumed rarely. So many parents think nothing of giving their kids fizzy drinks on a regular basis, and as for the hidden acid in the healthy smoothies – likely to be off the scale. I ask myself, what is wrong with good old plain water (and then of course the fecking government decides to add fluoride to it!!!)

Nothing would surprise me now – to the point where I would imagine they have some tech slave trawling through all of this and reporting back:

“Sir, they are on to us, posting about water filters you can buy to eliminate the fluoride. We are going to have to find some other way to mass poison all of the vaxx refuseniks”

Hopeless - "TN,BN"
4 years ago

What the heck will they think of next? It’ll be Nil by Mouth, Jib at the Jabs, Involuntary Hunger Strikes, Wholesale Hypothermia…..

Public health needs to be supported and improved by decent diets and living conditions, made possible by fossil fuels, employment, affordability and a bunch of people who have some small idea of what they’re doing. Putting fluoride in the water isn’t going to solve dental problems caused by poor diets and lack of treatment from infancy onwards by non-existent dentists. As with their gene therapies, another quick fix solution of dubious worth, if not definitely damaging to some, for a problem that, if it exists, has its roots elsewhere.

iandel
iandel
4 years ago

It seems to me that this proposal mirrors what has been occurring the last two years: so called medical experts wholeheartedly endorse a measure which is not in the public’s interest

Vaxtastic
4 years ago
Reply to  iandel

Don’t forget groupthink.

Rogerborg
4 years ago

Hmm, this sounds familiar.

Bernays advised the avoidance of debate: fluoridation was to be presented as indisputably beneficial; only the ignorant could object to it.

Ah, you see, when viewed through the lens of Good Science…

Interesting article, not as nutty as I’d feared. Worth doing further research in full.

Milo
Milo
4 years ago
Reply to  Rogerborg

So has “The Science” been at it again? mandating the use of fluoride?

Gefion
Gefion
4 years ago
Reply to  Milo

They’ve been trying for years to put fluoride in water. So far unsuccessfully for the main part but now they’ve discovered that most people are scared and risk averse they’ll keep trying until they succeed.

A passerby
A passerby
4 years ago

Here we go again. They’ve attempted to poison us with a safe vaccine, now they’re going try and poison us with a safe level of fluoride in our drinking water. What is the matter with these people, are they mentally ill?

To whom it may concern/apply, for the greater good, at the very least BUY A TOOTHBRUSH AND USE IT!

scaredmama
scaredmama
4 years ago
Reply to  A passerby

And eat less sugar.

Paul B
4 years ago
Reply to  scaredmama

And apparently in my case drink less carbonated drinks – even if they are sugar free – sparkling water for example (I’ve recently found out 30 years too late) strips the enamel from your teeth.

TheTartanEagle
TheTartanEagle
4 years ago
Reply to  Paul B

Dissolved CO2, ie the carbonation, forms a weak acid, carbonic acid, that’s why rainwater dissolves limestone over centuries. Several decades ago they taught these useful bits of info in A level chemistry!

Fruit juice eats away at teeth, toddlers often get given juice nowadays rather than milk or water, then the older ones start on tinned fizzy drinks with carbonation and phosphoric acid. Prior to the 1980s kids had tea like the adults, weak milky version fir the wains.

Mogwai
4 years ago
Reply to  Paul B

I asked my dentist about this as I drink a fair bit of fizzy water, especially in the summer, and she said it was better than pop/juice but not as good as plain water. I guess I should try to drink through a straw really but I keep forgetting. It’s still better than my diet Coke habit I had for years!

RW
RW
4 years ago
Reply to  A passerby

I claim total ignorance on the topic of the article but some practical experience with eating and the consequences :-).

  • the idea behind cleaning one’s teeth is not some sort of chemical magic but removal of food residue before it starts to rot
  • cosmetical whitening via toothpaste is accomplished by adding sand to it, ie, making tooth brushing equivalent to removing old paint with sand paper — a very bad idea
  • sugar is a useless ingredient the food industry is absolutely in love with because it makes people want to eat more of it
John Dee
4 years ago
Reply to  A passerby

I’m wondering whether they’ve discovered that fluoridated water, when drunk by a fully-vaxxed citizen, is several more times efficient at finishing him/her off.

A passerby
A passerby
4 years ago
Reply to  John Dee

‘An MP discovering something’ sounds like an oxymoron to me.

Milo
Milo
4 years ago
Reply to  John Dee

I think it is a way of trying to get at the unvaxxed – without them knowing or being able to do anything about it.

Emerald Fox
4 years ago
Reply to  A passerby

And dental floss.

HelenaHancart
HelenaHancart
4 years ago

A recent press release said that “higher levels of fluoride are associated with improved dental health outcomes”.

I’ll tell you something that is also associated with improved dental outcomes – access to affordable dental treatment that way too many are being denied now! I put this and my concerns about the proposed fluoridation of the water to my MP, and he couldn’t have cared less. In fact he banged the drum for it to be rolled out everywhere, the cuck.

Vaxtastic
4 years ago
Reply to  HelenaHancart

What did you expect? You can’t still believe your local MP is there to serve the public surely?

John Dee
4 years ago
Reply to  Vaxtastic

I still believe that most MPs are so thick or lazy that any out-of-the-ordinary or technical issue (that might make them look dim) is dismissed so that can’t happen.
They mostly can’t define what constitutes a ‘party’. Or even a ‘woman’, come to that.

Paul B
4 years ago
Reply to  HelenaHancart

Mine is the MP for dentistry, thanks to the Covid overreaction my dentist has now kicked me off the NHS and I’m forced to pay private rates, thanks MP for dentistry Jo Churchill, not.

CrouplessCoup
CrouplessCoup
4 years ago
Reply to  HelenaHancart

High levels of fluoride render the population dumb and incapable of active resistance.

Jabby Mcstiff
Jabby Mcstiff
4 years ago

If they want to have a person in an advertisement look thick or gormless it is often a Brummie. Puts a different perspective on it when you think that the obtuseness might’ve been manufactured. You don’t put things in the water because you think it might help the masses. In terms of oral health most of the damage can be easily avoided simply by understanding tooth decay and the imposition of refined sugars in recent times. And there is way more to it than that. The effect of chemicals like Aspartame for example on gum health, nerve health etc. These people are at the end of their reign in terms of their pernicious philosophy.

Vaxtastic
4 years ago
Reply to  Jabby Mcstiff

I hope you are right.

Vaxtastic
4 years ago

Who is this for? People who don’t clean their teeth at all? I’m not clear how consuming water impregnated with flouride helps with teeth, except it sloshing past the teeth when swigging tea. What am I missing?

I am beginning to see the wisdom in memes like this.

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JXB
JXB
4 years ago

‘… oral health inequalities…’

There it is.

It’s all part of the ongoing heroic fight against inequality which justifies any cost, any consequence.

Vaxtastic
4 years ago
Reply to  JXB

All useful in the erosion of personal responsibility. How can people be responsible when they are worrying about their carbon footprint 🤡

TheTartanEagle
TheTartanEagle
4 years ago

How much onslaught from industry can humans take?

Neurological disease from pesticides and weedkillers, more body and brain destruction from EM radiation from the cell towers, toxins in vaccines, and now the water supply is going to be contaminated.

And the greens are worried about about a bit of fossil fuel. Sheesh.

Vaxtastic
4 years ago
Reply to  TheTartanEagle

This one comes straight from the government.

Emerald Fox
4 years ago

Any ‘scientists’ in New Zealand found nanobots in fluorided drinking water yet? Has anyone checked people who have drunk water with added fluoride with their smartphones with the bluetooth turned on – any Mac i.p. codes coming out of them?

MikeHaseler
4 years ago
Reply to  Emerald Fox

Don’t you know most of the conspiracies are invented by the likes of the CIA to distract from what they’re really doing? Surely you don’t imagine some nerd in a shed with no money to their name is responsible for these mass propaganda campaigns?

Vaxtastic
4 years ago
Reply to  MikeHaseler

Oldest trick in the book. Take their focus off the practical questions about the moon landings with videos on YouTube claiming there is alien technology on the dark side of the moon. Human nature just lumps them all together.

Emerald Fox
4 years ago
Reply to  MikeHaseler

I see the ‘magnetic’ nonsense has vanished in recent months. The ‘site’ of the ‘Covid jabs’ was supposed to be magnetic in many cases, remember? I wonder why that’s gone all quiet. My ‘conspiracy theory’ is that it was all a load of rubbish.
Or… maybe the CIA just want me to think it’s rubbish… who knows?

Vaxtastic
4 years ago
Reply to  Emerald Fox

Good observation. As a method to discredit those opposed to mass jabbery it provided a convenient label to dismiss them.

MikeHaseler
4 years ago

I was wondering what other things I had been misled about. I’ve found the article extremely useful and I will be taking steps to reduce my fluoride intake.

Vaxtastic
4 years ago
Reply to  MikeHaseler

I was wondering what other things I had been misled about

Diet, in a word. The recommend diet is not healthy for most people. Too much stodge which makes you fat and triggers inflammation.

lutherkehrt@gmail.com
lutherkehrt@gmail.com
4 years ago

Having discovered that sodium lauryl sulphate was the cause for my frequent mouth ulcers I have used toothpaste without it in. Several other elements also tend to be missing from such toothpaste, and my previously disintegrating teeth have benefited, with far less troubles since then.

John001
John001
4 years ago

Vit.D also helps. About 3,000 IU/day but it’s worth getting a few blood tests just to make sure. Touch wood, no decay since 2008.

peyrole
peyrole
4 years ago

Excellent Will. France does not artificially flouridate water thank goodness.
Now can you do the same for salt please. Another ridiculous myth.

Vaxtastic
4 years ago
Reply to  peyrole

Himalayan rock salt fan here. I consume plenty. Helps with the dangerous quantities of animal fats I’m told I eat 🤠

Rowan
Rowan
4 years ago
Reply to  Vaxtastic

Polyunsaturated seed oils are the ones to avoid as if your life depended on it.

Milo
Milo
4 years ago
Reply to  Rowan

Ah Rowan – apologies, didn’t see your post before replying and you beat me to it!

Milo
Milo
4 years ago
Reply to  Vaxtastic

Animal fats are very good for you Vaxtastic – don’t worry about them – it is the trans and seed fats you need to worry about which do the damage.

Him Salt is a legend in my house – I might be addicted, as I’d almost eat it neat!

Jabby Mcstiff
Jabby Mcstiff
4 years ago

There are so many simple things that you can do to improve your tooth and bone health. Turmeric and honey will make your teeth feel a lot stronger. Get a powdered nettle supplement. It makes a huge difference. The Romans would march forty miles a day in full armour and they attributed that stamina to netle ingestion. It really works. Propolis is very good for bone health too. But you have to move about and get a bit of light.

Vaxtastic
4 years ago
Reply to  Jabby Mcstiff

I’m unfamiliar with nettle. Or it’s effects. Must check it out.

Rowan
Rowan
4 years ago
Reply to  Vaxtastic

It is said to be a plant source of iron.

Ron Smith
Ron Smith
4 years ago
Reply to  Jabby Mcstiff

My Grandmother used to make a great nettle soup.

Milo
Milo
4 years ago
Reply to  Jabby Mcstiff

Liver is very good for teeth, as is butter (rich in vit A – apparently you are supposed to consume at least 3 tbsp per day of it). Honey is a good source of boron which helps with the absorption of calcium

Jabby Mcstiff
Jabby Mcstiff
4 years ago

It is the role of Boron which is completely overlooked.

Milo
Milo
4 years ago
Reply to  Jabby Mcstiff

Boron is massively important for teeth and re-mineralisation.

Mogwai
4 years ago
Reply to  Milo

Woah I’m learning a lot on this thread. I can feel a shopping list for Holland&Barrett coming on! LOL

Milo
Milo
4 years ago
Reply to  Mogwai

Mogwai, if you are interested, and if you want to a) better your health (the health of the body starts in the mouth, there are no teeth in your stomach etc etc etc) and b) save money on dental bills (who knows what will be the next aspect of healthcare they chop off at source) check out this guy’s web page http://www.drstevenlin.com and also the page at http://www.askthedentist.com according to both these guys it is possible to re- mineralise your teeth and the best way to do it is via what you eat (and also what you don’t eat which stops you taking up minerals – hence the fact that the health of your teeth starts in the gut) Is It Possible to Remineralize Teeth? (holisticdentalinstitute.com) Minerals in your diet Fat soluble vitamins – A, D, E, K – in your diet How your body absorbs the nutrients listed above. This is highly influenced by the Phytic Acid in your diet. Our hormone secreting glands Blood sugar levels Why is Phytic Acid Important? Phytic acid is a substance found in plant seeds and has effects on mineral absorption. This molecule of phosphorus binds with other molecules to construct a type of phosphorus… Read more »

Think Harder
Think Harder
4 years ago

What I want to understand is; are the feckers trying to:
a) Kill us / destroy the West
b) Make money at any cost, or
c) They are just insane

Emerald Fox
4 years ago
Reply to  Think Harder

Ask the 800 P&O workers who were turfed off their ships and replaced by cheap labour foreigners. Making money, and if ‘the west’ is destroyed in the process, what does the Chinese Communist Party care?

Have the thugs who worked for the ‘security firm’ been named yet? If not, why not?

Vaxtastic
4 years ago
Reply to  Think Harder

They do it because they can. How many people do you know in your own circle who care about these things? If you sent the above article to all of them, how many would laugh at you for being a conspiracy theorist?

RichardTechnik
RichardTechnik
4 years ago
Reply to  Think Harder

b) and a)because of b). c) is more that the public health ‘experts’ are lazy and incompetent groupthinkers. I have always maintained that public health, climate ‘science’ and social science are at best pseudosciences

Hypatia
Hypatia
4 years ago
Reply to  Think Harder

Or: All of the above.

Rowan
Rowan
4 years ago
Reply to  Think Harder

They are a), b) and c).

Milo
Milo
4 years ago
Reply to  Think Harder

I think it is a combo of all 3, all 3 are involved, but to my mind it is principally a) for some reason and b) is just a handy bi-product which they are happy to take advantage of because they are c)

simonov
simonov
4 years ago

Do you realize that in addition to fluoridating water, why, there are studies underway to fluoridate salt, flour, fruit juices, soup, sugar, milk, ice cream? Ice cream, Mandrake? Children’s ice cream!

You know when fluoridation began?…1946. 1946, Mandrake. How does that coincide with your post-war Commie conspiracy, huh? It’s incredibly obvious, isn’t it? A foreign substance is introduced into our precious bodily fluids without the knowledge of the individual, and certainly without any choice. That’s the way your hard-core Commie works

I first became aware of it, Mandrake, during the physical act of love… Yes, a profound sense of fatigue, a feeling of emptiness followed. Luckily I – I was able to interpret these feelings correctly. Loss of essence. I can assure you it has not recurred, Mandrake. Women, er, women sense my power, and they seek the life essence. I do not avoid women, Mandrake…but I do deny them my essence.

Vaxtastic
4 years ago
Reply to  simonov

Life imitates art.

Jabby Mcstiff
Jabby Mcstiff
4 years ago

When we talk about people thinking too much we say that they are ruminating. This is important: for us to understand when we ruminate too much.Chewing the cud, going over things time and time again. We need to spring free from this grasp.

DanClarke
DanClarke
4 years ago

Why didn’t they complete the trials, if there is no concrete evidence either way, why approve it.

Jabby Mcstiff
Jabby Mcstiff
4 years ago

Part of the reason is economic – it presents immense opportunities for the dumping of fluoride salts into an area of people who don’t understand. If you were an evil psychopath then you would just dump your toxic load at the first available opportutunity.

StoppingtoThink
StoppingtoThink
4 years ago

Another case of the health hierarchy claiming to follow the science when in fact they don’t?

Jabby Mcstiff
Jabby Mcstiff
4 years ago

I hold it up in front of my mamma and I tell her straight. Either you drink piss or you drink death. And on some level she understands.

Rowan
Rowan
4 years ago

If the government is pushing something hard then you can be almost certain that its real purpose will have little to do with hype being dished out to the masses. I read Chris Bryson’s excellent book many years ago, it was then and still is an excellent account of the dark forces behind the long running plot to toxify public water supplies. The parallels with the Covid Event are as numerous as they are disturbing.

CrouplessCoup
CrouplessCoup
4 years ago
Reply to  Rowan

Agree re: Bryson: “The Fluoride Deception”.

There is another one, from 2010, written by academics and equally if not more denunciatory:

Beck, James; Micklem, H. S.; Connett, Paul:

“The Case Against Fluoride: How Hazardous Waste Ended Up in Our Drinking Water and the Bad Science and Powerful Politics That Keep It There” (2010)

Ross Hendry
4 years ago

I live in Dorset and Wessex Water say that they don’t add fluoride. Presumably the Health and Care Bill will change all that.

About a year ago I bought a water distiller for about £100 after becoming concerned about the presence of other toxins in the water but it also removes ALL fluoride. I recommend buying one – the gunk left after distillation is something to behold.

Milo
Milo
4 years ago
Reply to  Ross Hendry

can you tell us what brand you bought?

FlattenTheCurve
FlattenTheCurve
4 years ago

The best solution is to get a reverse osmosis filter. The tankless 6 stage ones are the best as they filter out absolutely everything and then remineralise your water. They’re pretty hard to come by in the UK but I heard Toby and James Delingpole running an ad on the London Calling podcast for one that seemed very reasonably priced. I looked at the website and it’s also too spec. The site they advertised was filterlondon.com and it sends you to the Finer Filters website which seems to be a fully UK based company.

Cecil B
Cecil B
4 years ago

Tales from the Marxist State

Full pay for no work to be extended beyond 12 months

Welsh NHS staff sick with long Covid stay on full pay – BBC News

Cecil B
Cecil B
4 years ago
Reply to  Cecil B

Totally unconnected

Bang goes the 5year wait for a knee operation, now looking more like 10 years

Covid: NHS Wales planned care will slow down – health minister – BBC News