Vallance: Covid Measures Should Remain in Place Forever in Case We Need to “Ramp Things Up Again”
The Government’s Chief Scientific Adviser Sir Patrick Vallance has warned that Covid is “evolving rapidly,” adding that measures should remain in place indefinitely to be able to “ramp things up again” if needed. The Express has more.
Sir Patrick was speaking to the Science and Technology Committee this morning following a steep rise in Covid cases. Quizzed on the Government’s “Living With Covid” plan, Sir Patrick was asked how important advice from SAGE was in the proposals. The expert confirmed that SAGE “clearly” played a big part, before adding his own remarks on the current situation.
He said: “This virus has not gone away. It’s not going to go away. It’s going to be a circulating human virus for as long as we can see forward. And it hasn’t stopped evolving. It’s been quite an unstable period, so the virus is changing very rapidly, and it’s got quite a lot of space to evolve into. It’s not a foregone conclusion that evolution to increase growth and transmission – which is what the virus does, wants to do – necessarily is associated with reduced severity.”
Sir Vallance also noted that three things were essential to adopting a living-with-Covid approach: being able to monitor how it evolves; to protect the vulnerable both physically and through vaccines and antivirals; and having the capacity to be “able operationally to ramp things up again if you need to — [this] is crucially important.”
He added: “That in a sense, is also a lesson from the very beginning of the pandemic where the underfunding of Public Health England for many years had caused a diminution in capacity.”
However, the scientist added: “I think the numbers of infections are beginning to turn so we may be quite close to, or at the peak, and it may start coming down shortly. But I expect to see further hospitalisations because of the lag time and further deaths with this. So, that is the consequence of the high levels of infection rates. We should also be aware that there may well be long term problems with Covid infection – Long Covid is still being studied. It’s not a sort of a completely stable situation and it’s not a risk-free situation to run very high levels of infection.”
Hasn’t SAGE been stepped down? When will they leave us alone?
I wonder if the Government has considered finding a less alarmist Chief Scientist.
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the tw*t obviously feels like he hasn’t made enough money out of his pharma shareholding
With people like this, the levels of greed know no bounds. Utterly without ethics, integrity or morality.
He embodies the morality of altruism.
Not the altruism nearly everyone thinks altruism is, not kindness or benevolence, but the morality of sacrifice, living for others with him being the collector of sacrifices.
….and money of course.
Agree – what credit science has left this man discredits. Clearly an individual incapable of learning and the embodiment of the infliction of gross stupidity that has wreaked so much damage and harm to this country.
Yeadon called him an outright liar and challenged him to sue …he never did.
Well there is no sense in giving Yeadon any publicity.
Your handlers must be paying you well, tonight, tree.
Not from your point of view.
You back again???? I thought we had got shot of you.
Why not?
Does your name give an indication of your IQ?
Well Olaffreya,
‘you ain’t seennuffinyet’ wait until we get hit with the full cost of the so called scientists pushing the global warming fraud. In fact it kicks infromtomorrow with a 50% increase in your electricity bills.
This imposter is small beer compared to them.
So a friend of Davos, Big Pharma, Big Tech an dGlobal Media then? ( not to mention GAVI and the WHO)
No, this isn’t about enriching himself, this is about him being Doctator, follow the ideas, not the money.
Why not follow both? He is one who can have his cake and eat it too.
The main people to blame are the MSM, Governement and the lack of opposition, big tech big Pharma and Ferguson. Whitless and Co were asked for their medical advice only in containing the virus. It was up to the useless Governement and Opposition to consider that advice and balance it against outcomes, which they complety failed to do. Boris, and the Governement, gave in to the hysteria pumped up by the MSM.
If a Motor Manufacturer employed someone to give their advice to make the safest car possible, they woud consider that advise against the cost of production, how efficient it would be, would the public buy it etc. They wouldn’t just make it and financially ruin the company because it was too expensive and no one would buy it. In effect that it was the Governemnt did.
You’ve got that arse-about-face.
The Government pumped up the MSM to the tune of £1B worth of advertising, to spread the hysteria.
And your ‘Motor Manufacturer’ analogy is pants.
People aren’t coerced to buy a car to save Granny. People don’t lose their jobs because they haven’t bought a car, or the ‘right’ car. Car manufacturers are not granted indemnity if their product proves faulty and causes deaths.
Sorry you used it too many times and got it wrong every one of them for me to let it go uncorrected
It is ‘government’
I’ve just had to watch Vallance on TV and it has put me in very bad form
Have you looked at the Skalectric car scam?
New NZ doctor’s research of the ‘vaccine’ under magnification confirming previous research showing and Vallance’s jab to have very strange things going on involving graphene oxide and bewildering rectangular shapes – the suggestion is that they might even respond to 5G radiation – well well, who could have guessed ?
Your making stuff up is not very convincing.
Can trees do research?
These are alarming findings, but both the NZ group (and La Quinta Columna in Spain) need to address the possibility these strange things could have been deliberately added to the vials of covid vaccine selected for examination in order to attempt to make these most excellent researchers appear to be fantasists.
Remind us again of this guy’s shareholding in the pharma sector? 600k was it? Also worth remembering he wanted to keep Sage membership anonymous at the start of all this.
Seriously, how is he a SIR?? He is a complete and utter disgrace to modern politics who should be behind bars for the unquantifiable damage he has helped heap on our society.
Makes my blood boil, seriously.
You answered your own question!
The astonishing thing is that we’ve accepted a situation where it’s just fine to be owned lock, stock and barrel by the industry that you’re shilling for as long as you don’t deny it.
He is a “sir” because the job came with a knighthood guaranteed. That was the deal GSK got him when they fired him for incompetence as head of R&D. That is how it works, to make it all look nicey-nicey.
Yes, like Sit Keir, Sir Blair, Sir Whitty and Sir Gavin – “Sir” is obviously now reserved for manifest displays of incompetence and craven self-serving.
Still, it helps us plebs identify our ‘betters’, doesn’t it Johnson?
or people who know where the bodies are buried and you want to buy their silence
Sir Patrick Vallance. Lol.
Do you think he was lying or mistaken when he gravely told the MSM that covid was novel and dangerous because even those who recovered from the virus had waning antibody levels after just a few weeks?
Thus setting us up nicely to hail the only way to salvation – the new mRNA jabs.
This to enable the imposition of digital ID on us through fear as ordered by his masters.
May he and they rot in Hell forever.
What has and is still being done is beyond evil – and he’s a big part of it.
He knows, or should know that the jabs are toxic – yet we still keep jabbing away.
Why evil?
What is “beyond evil”
What is “Hell”.. do you believe all that Garbage too?
“Sir” came before Covid – he will be getting his “booster” to “Sir, Sir” next!
(Only saline of course)
These useless fools have learn’t nothing. They must be removed from any position of authority.
They must. For the simple reason that he, and Whitty and the rest of them have failed miserably in the advice they have given the government.
If their job is to advise the government for the overall benefit of society, then they have failed catastrophically and seem incapable of learning from their mistakes.
Their approach has been one dimensional, they have failed to consider the people’s welfare in a broader sense and remain obsessed with a narrow set of objectives which do not represent the welfare of society as a whole.
They need to go and replaced with scientific and medical advisers that demonstrate an ability to consider what is good for people as a whole.
On the contrary they have worked their given ‘max mass vax’ brief from the UN the Gates WHO and Davos to perfection!
Jus look at the results!
Innocent five year olds up for those spike proteins next!
They weren’t there to ”learn”. They’re just someone’s useful idiots.
Oh just f**k off! Seriously! We’re done with you Vallance, you’ve outlived your iota of (mostly “self”) importance. Crawl off and fester.
Self-importance is the key adjective. He believes that self-importance is the same as actual importance.
Does it make you feel better to hurl abuse at a stranger?
If only Vallance was a stranger, but he’s the very familiar face of what can only be said is an abusive Government.
You shouldn’t have voted them in.
How do you know who Beowulf voted for?
He isn’t a stranger when he has not only forced himself into our lives, but urged us all to shoot up with untested crap.
He is very strange, though. So are you, tree.
If only it wasn’t for all the extensive testing.
If your definition of strange is “doesn’t agree with you”, then that’s the vast majority of all people.
By stranger, you mean malevolent doctator
Yes, like John Bodkin Adams(those too young can look him up in Wikipedia)
We can but live in hope.
Profanity and abuse are readily available in my lounge right now.
The air is blue in my office. Profanity is an understatement.
Get a grip.. control yourself.
Piss off, twat.
Well argued.
You are in no position to comment upon the quality of other people’s arguments.
From somebody who simply makes fatuous comments! Irony in its absolute form.
This piece of filth is nothing more than a criminal evading justice.
For the time being.
Astonishing level of venom expressed for someone, who is only considering public health measures.
How do you generate such hatred?
Have you lead a sheltered life?
If that were the case he would have considered the raft of public health and other issues which necessarily followed as a direct result of the interventions he not only supported but recommended.
Given his position, he cannot claim ignorance. He is evil.
Drop the act, sausage.
Mediaeval superstition is not science, Vallance is a combination of Trofim Lysenko and the Piltdown man hoaxer.
The slander suit should be coming your way.
You know nothing
He’s certainly no tree of knowledge.
Good to see you trying an insult, based in fact.
Problem is you failed on the fact element. Since I know my age for example, I must know something.
So you are 100% wrong.
Have another go at facts.
Behave yourself, lackey.
I’d happily – and easily – defend my statements. This criminal wouldn’t voluntarily put himself in such a position, not for all the shares in Pfizer.
What are your specific allegations of crime?
Or did you just learn the script from your peers?
For a start, Vallance has been involved in: • the deliberate sacrifice of countless lives ostensibly to save an unspecified number of other lives • the arbitrary decree that the suffering/dying be deprived of contact with their loved ones, who were forced to ‘watch’ from afar (or outside of a window) as their dear loved ones suffered and died alone • the prioritisation of a virus with a stastically insignificant IFR to the extent that hospitals cancelled vital cancer treatments, critical operations, regular screenings/check-ups, etc • the decree that only a certain number of people could attend funerals, with ‘distancing’ rules being in place where loved ones could not even console one another during the funeral of a dear family member/friend • the act of forcing people, healthy or otherwise, to stay in their homes, forbidding them from seeing their friends and loved ones and from gathering together to worship God as Christians are commanded to do • the decree that people wear face coverings • the ruining of people’s livelihoods/ability to earn a living • the ruining of nearly two years of children’s education (thus rendering this two years of lost education), depriving them of normal, healthy human interaction… Read more »
Thank you Moderate for that.
I must bookmark that if you don’t mind.
Not at all.
I am slightly puzzled, though, because below you ask me to ‘stop responding to [tree] and discuss the real issues.’ As you know, these are the real issues, so I’m not sure what you’re taking issue with here.
Hear, hear
Malfeasance in Public Office. Blatant. One example, displaying a chart which was known to be out of date.
So would you use your reasoning to defend your statements, or some other way?
What are you banging on about, lackey?
Be kind, MR. I think tree is trying to “reason”. That’s a doozy of a sentence we’ve just been given!
I come on this wonderful site to learn and in my own puny way to contribute.
Instead I find a constant tirade against an adolescent disseminator who should be ignored.
Please stop responding to the poor sad creature and discuss the real issues.
Vallance should stay in prison forever, in case he wants to ramp up anything ever again.
There should definitely be some measures in place which can be ramped up quickly in case he seems to be getting another “Everybody urgently must …!” fit. Straitjacket and padded cell until he stop ranting would suggest itself. Less humane methods might be more fun, though. 🙂
On a serious note, did any of our paid for MP’s question this guy on our behalf?
Yes, if the prison is Michael Moore’s underpants.
Quite pathetic…
Yes, you are. Is this only dawning on you now?
Finally. Some self insight.
Try to make sense.
If only you would, tree. At the slightest challenge, you are reduced to schoolchild responses (though that is insulting to most schoolchildren), or you wander off into “sentences” that are marvels of internal confusion.
Person who suffered no financial hardship in the slightest from the measures he advocated, thinks we should keep them around. Well, knock me down with a feather.
My advice would be to get out into the real world and talk to normal people, perhaps even some people who happen to run their own businesses. Although he might want to ensure he has adequate personal security protection in place before he does so.
I think what you meant to say was
Talking to normal people would be good for the inhabitants of this site. Remember, through talking to your own kind with vile drivel, you don’t get exposure to normal people.
please feel free to foxtrot oscar
Would you describe yourself as normal?
Oh God – I do hope not!
If it bothers you that much being here, you are more than welcome to take a hike.
Who would educate you lot?
My advice would be to get out into the real world and talk to normal people, perhaps even some people who happen to run their own businesses.
And to those normal people who just want to run their own lives!
Sorry TGA – meant to bold your excellent quote!
Meanwhile, Australian Senator Malcolm Roberts tells it like it is
https://twitter.com/seancondev/status/1509019954712301570
Note that the chamber was virtually empty. They simply do not want to address reality.
Reality will soon be addressing them.
It’s a nice thought, but when do you imagine that will happen?
And they can plausibly claim to have never heard about a single person injured or killed by the clot-shots.
But neither have the BBC watching sheepie in masks !
But with all the deaf ears and silent tongues it is still now a matter of parliamentary record.
They will probably arrest him fo ‘re-education’ soon. Holland and France are now arresting medics and lawyers ( young lawyer telling truth to power charged with ‘treason’!) who call out the scam.
EU heading for the full Nazi under ‘citizen of the world’ UVDL it seems!
Not surprising with that toxic bitch at the helm.
Well said that man, bet he is preaching to the corrupt!
Senator Roberts was not highly regarded two years ago. Nor were Craig Kelly or George Christensen. Many people dismissed them, or (as I did) rolled their eyes at things they said.
There are still issue on which I would disagree with all three. But they have spoken up clearly and reasonably on the greatest issue we have before us as Australians, when it took courage to do so.
I doubt they will be dismissed so easily again.
still issues (slack keyboarding) …
Yes, I, too, had joined in the cognoscenti’s mockery and derisive horse-laughter towards the likes of Kelly, Christensen, Palmer, Roberts, Hanson (they came from a political end of the spectrum that I, as an old lefty, did not inhabit) but they have won my respect (and vote!) for their principled stance on the Covid hysteria and vaxx mania.
If there is one good thing to come out of Covid it is my growing appreciation for the intellectual worth and personal integrity of people from diverse ideological traditions. Call it a developing political maturity.
I’ve had the same experience. It started well over a decade ago, when I was invited to a “left-faction” ALP meeting by some friends.
I was astonished by what was said to the general satisfaction of those present (accepted without discussion), as I embarrassed my friends by gasping and occasionally muttering, “What!!”. That was “left”?!
That learning curve, and it’s about exactly what you beautifully described – “the intellectual worth and personal integrity of people from diverse ideological traditions” – has shot dramatically skyward since March 2020.
The Totalitarian Wet Dream
Looking for a job for life here….
Once you’ve given a dog a nice, juicy, profitable bone, it’s a hell of a job to get it off him.
Die painfully you absolute cretin.
I love how the Express disses him by calling him (according to this piece) Sir Vallance. Lol.
That’s fine, as long as the cost of keeping the measures in place is deducted from his fat salary, share holdings and pension pot
We haven’t needed SAGE-like morons in the past hundred years (or was it “ever before throughout entire human history”?), but obviously with a virus as dangerous as Omicron lurking around we are going to need them for the next hundred years looking forward. Because there’s still lots of money to be made from it.
Compliance is now my middle name, they can absolutely without a shadow of doubt, totally and utterly rely on me, I will bend over backwards to assist, please, please can I have higher hurdles to jump over next time. Really looking to complying again, think I shall leave the mask on just in case. The last two year campaign to fight a virus with weapons which only fired blanks or blew up in your face was a truly masterful stroke, along with all the other ineffective counter measures, we were so lucky and we still have millions of blank rounds left over. Planning ahead, what a brilliant idea.
This is what we call “moral hazard” – when you reward the robber for robbing you or let him get away without consequences, he will happily come back for more.
Yup, SAGE and the WHO are in the emergency/pandemic business – he’s just talking his book. When I point this out to ronatards they think I’m bonkers – as if scientists and doctors were all Jesus Christ Almighty, incapable of anything but honest altruism.
I too have this problem. Explaining to people the most useful lens to analyse things with is self interest.
Most people have the intellectual skills of adolescents. It is inconceivable to them people in positions of authority could be acting out of self interest, groupthink or even just lack of interest.
Except that people I talk to are well aware that leaders are often corrupt, they just can’t being themselves to believe that they have all been telling huge whopping lies from the start
I have found that those who conformed to the narrative most religiously are also those who would be the first to tell you that all politicians are a bunch of corrupt barstewards.
And did you notice that the woke types, who normally assume any Tory politician is lying on every occasion, suddenly started believing every word when it related to Coronabollox? Truly bizarre!
We’re now firmly in confirmation bias territory – the minds of conformists won’t allow them to have been wrong, due to sunk cost fallacy and that they have inadvertently supported a narrative than has and will kill/harm millions more that the lurgy.
Yes – they firmly believe in petty corruption. But grand-scale dishonesty seems to frighten them, or intimidate them. They don’t want to look at it.
I understand this. I preferred to believe in stupidity – and did so in the early months of 2020. It was genuinely horrifying to discover that stupidity (or panic) could not explain it all.
Altruism is the morality of death and he embodies it.
All must sacrifice for all and, by implication, he and his clique will collect.
Bruce
Altruism for thee but not for me
Of course, all animals are equal, but the brainworkers need milk and apples to be able to serve efficiently.
The hypocrisy is irrelevant. If altruism is a virtue, if sacrifice is a virtue, it stands to reason there is a collector of sacrifices.
https://charlescrawford.biz/2017/06/04/slaves-and-whips/
“Yet the test should be so simple: just listen to any prophet and if you hear him speak of sacrifice – run. Run faster than from a plague. It stands to reason that where there’s sacrifice, there’s someone collecting sacrificial offerings. Where there’s service, there’s someone being served. The man who speaks to you of sacrifice, speaks of slaves and masters. And intends to be the master.”
Maybe. People cleverer than I have said wise things about whether altruism exists, but I don’t necessarily think it follows that there is always a “collector of sacrifices”. Anyway, these days when people start on about “I did it for others” and then defend forcing ME to do stuff for others, I smell bullshit.
The sacrifice collector knows to stay around they need to be stealthy.
It does follow that, where there are sacrifices, it stands to reason there is a collector of sacrifices, they don’t just vanish into the ether.
Altruism is precisely why they force you to live for others
The question is, who is at fault here, Vallance who responds coherently to the incentives he’s given or those who employ him and reward him?
As I see it, he’s despicable for his narrow and probably corrupt interest.
But the government needs to replace him for an adviser who isn’t only obsessed with COVID and exaggerates the importance of the effects the coronavirus (the virus, not the measures) has on society.
Why would they do that? It is useful for a government that wants to keep covid open as an option to have a mouthpiece keeping the narrative alive.
When they ramp it all back up in Autumn, this time with mandatory jabs, he’ll have earned his keep.
As far as I’m concerned, the blame is on the ones who allow the moral hazard to take place. It is in the nature of a thief to steal, just as it is in nature of predator to attack its prey. But if you know this and act as if you don’t care, you are complicit and enabling the crime, and this makes you arguably worse than the actual criminal.
I’ve often wondered why they don’t put him back in his box, and whose hand is up whose backside. We may never know and they can all go to blazes.
There has been no steep rise in COVID cases. There has been a very moderate increase in the number of reported positive test results which (as of yesterday) has already peaked or is at least using steam rapidly, ie, the natural trend ATM is clearly downward and has been for a while. Whether or not the ex-SAGEs and their accomplices can still manufacture something dramatic until their test funding dries up on Friday remains to be seen.
In the light of this, Vallance boilerplate mouth fart is probably supposed to help with preventing that from actually happening.
And results scale with testing, not infection. We’re in the vinegar strokes of the final testgasm where every public sector and salaried skiver is trying for one last week of “free” Netflix binging.
Here’s a funny thing.
All through last autumn and winter, my local authority kept its bin collection going. We have 3 bins, one for general waste, one for recycling, and one for garden waste (for which you have to pay an additional fee).
Over the past 2-3 weeks, the weather has been very pleasant in my area, with some lovely warm days and blue skies. Last week was especially good. And blow me! The unlucky bin men have only been struck down by a mass outbreak of covid! So much so that the local authority has had to suspend the garden waste service until they can get their collection teams back to full strength. So despite people paying to use this service, they can’t have it, because, you know, covid.
How unfortunate is that??
But if their hurty throats stop them from yelling profanities at the top of their voices at 6am, what’s the point?
The “New Normal”?
Numbers for today are here now. Describing this as steep rise in infections and qualifying it with I think the numbers of infections are beginning to turn so we may be quite close to, or at the peak, and it may start coming down shortly is clearly inappropriate. Isn’t lying in office some sort of misconduct?
ATM, this trend is also accelerating, ie the speed of the decrease is increasing.
I thought Johnson had dealt successfully with “lying in office” by mandating it?
Based on what data?
https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/
More specifcally, on the JSON files available for download there plus some Perl scripts I wrote for analysing it. The graphic above is basically identical to the 7-day-moving-average the government publishes itself. I just didn’t divide the moving 7-day-sum by 7 as that seems rather pointless.
Thanks. I am sure tree will accuse you of some witchcraft.
Oi, it’s OK to ask. It’s always OK to ask.
Only in his world could existing like this be seen as acceptable, it certainly isin’t living. When will he be put back in his box, funding for pharma is not all there is to life. Another time these lot would have just looked like your average crook.
Averagae crooks working for a Global Mafia!
Scotland: first minister and nationalist party leader Nicola Sturgeon declared this afternoon that she will delay the scrapping of the mask law – which mandates the wearing of face rags on public transport and in shops – a second time. It will now stay in force until at least 18 April. Oh wait – it will be lifted for funerals, weddings, and “civil partnerships” on 4 April.
Jesus wept.
And Kween Krankie still remains unchallenged over the simple issue that if muzzles did a damn thing, they why does the only muzzled part of the UK have the highest number of “cases”?
Authoritarian cnut!
Scottish Narcissistic Prats
Another one who needs hanging by his balls and beaten to death with a baseball bat.
Piñata.
Hang him from his pinata too! 🙂
He hasn’t got any balls.
A honey badger would starve to death in his underpants.
How kind you are.
Hate anyone else?
How do you have in real life?
Can you attempt that one again, only this time try it in English?
There’s a lot of ‘tough talk’ on this site but no-one actually has the gumption to nip round to Nottingham University and ‘deal’ with Vallance.
Wait for the “You first!” comment!
If Vallance has committed ‘crimes’ then surely it’s only a matter of time before one of the ‘Common Law Constables’ of the Guardians300 arrests him.
Perhaps even today?
FFS… Who elected this bully?
He is not a bully. He is a member of the establishment. He understands his role is to promote the narrative.
“It’s been quite an unstable period, so the virus is changing very rapidly,”
Not only is this exactly what virologists warned against – see Geert vanden Bossche – but the busy little ‘gain of function’ lunatics have been busily mutating/selecting variants since mid 2020.
Sort out your friends who caused and are still causing this ongoing medical disaster first Vallance, before inflicting more useless damage on society and the economy we rely on to pay your damned remuneration.
Well, he would say that wouldn’t he? I hope I live long enough to see his reputation shredded (though I am not confident!).
Pure evil, a tyrant
Why do you say evil?
“underfunding of Public Health England for many years”
What planet does this person inhabit? How much more money does the NHS require How many more offshoots of it are there going to be? Why did we not use the pandemic preparedness plan that has been sitting on the shelf for some years? Of course, stupid me; it didn’t include clauses stating that we, as a nation or government, must rip-off the population and transfer corrupt contracts to our friends in Big Pharma. What a disgrace to the UK this person is; a corrupt trougher whose greed know no bounds.
health is individual not public. His organisation the NHS subsidises poor lifestyle choices by fining people for work.
Chief Piltdown Man hoaxer and Doctator, you mean.
This is a primitive voodoo cultist masquerading woefully as a scientist.
This is a moron who said he was eating less meat because ‘climate change’ as if he or anyone else can control the Earth’s climate.
He is a member of the establishment. He is doing his job. He is maintaining the narrative. He’s good at it, and to the average person he is an authority on the subject.
With some really hard work, you could get up to the level of an average person.
Can you ask your supervisor if you can be replaced by a troll lacking anencephaly?
Words fail me. So I’ll just stick to one.
Wanchor.
Well words are a bit tricky..keep trying.
So is punctuation, but I expect you’ll get the hang of it.