Why Are the Vaccinated Much More Likely to Want America to Go to War With Russia?
According to a new poll, those most cautious about the risk of catching COVID-19 – the vaccinated – are also the most likely to support initiating war between Russia and the United States. Mary Harrington at UnHerd takes a closer look.
It wasn’t a big sample, but the results were stark. Ekos Politics polled a random sample of around 1,000 Canadians, and stratified the results by vaccination status. This revealed that whereas 56% of unvaccinated Canadians oppose the idea of NATO imposing a no-fly zone over Ukraine, an even greater number of the triple-vaccinated – 59% – support doing so.
On the face of it this makes no sense. Why would the most Covid risk-averse be the most enthusiastic about a policy that would, as 79 foreign policy experts from across America’s political spectrum put it in an open letter recently, “would mean going to war with Russia”? Well, if you hold (as I do) that humans are not actually very rational, it’s possible that what is in evidence here is less a lack of understanding impeding rational choice than a further iteration in the tribal clustering of political alignments.
Vaccination has been acutely politicised in Canada, where non-compliance has been rewarded with punitive measures such as restrictions on travel and shopping and additional taxes. In turn, vaxx refusal has begun to coalesce with other forms of political dissent, culminating in the Canadian truckers’ protest, supported by many whose grievances reached well beyond vaccination mandates. In this wider context, being triple-vaccinated has wider resonances than healthcare; it’s also a crude proxy for ideological alignment.
Humans have probably always clustered by belief, to an extent. But it’s been evident since at least 2016 that social media greatly accelerates the intensity of this dynamic by unmooring it from material life. I can’t very well ‘cancel’ my local butcher if we disagree about vaccines or Ukraine, at least not if I want to buy a steak off him tomorrow. But if I do my grocery shopping online, I can demonise and expel to my heart’s content.
The obvious link between being unvaccinated and opposing war against Russia is that they are both the opposite of the narrative being pushed by much of the media – though a difference is that Western governments are themselves currently opposed to escalating the conflict with Russia. But the differences also extend to measures Western Governments do endorse, with the unvaccinated being much more sceptical of sanctions and more supportive of the invasion itself, as shown below.
Is it a case, as Mary suggests, of thinking the opposite of what Government and the media are saying?
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Simple. They are the type to believe the existing power structures are keeping them safe from harm. They have inate, unquestioning trust of authority. They are noncritical. They have been trained to comply by the very same authority.
I agree (but I don’t rule out mRNA brain damage).
Possible.
How would we be able to tell?
Yes it would be difficult, as only the already brain damaged would have bared their arms for the “poison death shots”.
Pfizer vaccine can damage brain cells and immune system, study suggests – The Conservative Woman “Most of all, this study confirms that the introduction of mRNA vaccines was rushed without sufficient safety testing of long-term and broader spectrum secondary effects. It also confirms that the introduction of active genetic sequences into the human physiology can have serious effects on stability (homeostasis) and mutagenesis through reduced immune capability. Molecular and electrical pathways in the brain are tightly controlled, energised and protected through gene-based functions. Interference with gene function can have multiple unexpected outcomes as happened here to brain cells in vitro. The study authors imply that there may be accelerated death of glial cells whose functions, listed at the start of this article, support crucial brain processes. This study underlines how far removed the global Covid pandemic response has been from a precautionary approach. Our governments should take note. Launching novel genetic technologies in a hurry without adequate testing can result in uncontrolled serious adverse outcomes.” Kind of proves what I have been thinking and saying for a long time now – there is something in these jabs which is dumbing down people’s ability to think, at all, never mind critically. Hence… Read more »
Besides the highly suspect mRNA, there is also the graphene self-assembling microcircuitry, which is being found in all versions of the Covid poison death shots. No doubt too, there will be other nasties, as yet unknown and lurking in the Covid vaccine brews.
Yep – double whammy
If you believe this garbage, go and get an education.
Learn some things…such as
what is Graphene?
Do you know what a “micro-circuit” is? Answer no
Is Graphene a semiconductor ? Answer is no
How would such a “micro-circuit” be powered?
Either you lack of knowledge is so great that you don’t even understand how little you know, so you are the most gullible of people, or you are just out to do damage from the hiding place of your keyboard.
Same goes for the 22 idiots, who approve of your drivel.
Hi Tree. I too am sceptical (as always) about this graphene/micro circuitry thing.
But, to your question “How would such a micro-circuit be powered?” …
Tell me, do you know how an RFID chip is powered?
I’ve been startled by occasional oddities in the speech of people I know very well – oddities which were not present before their injections.
It’s as though there’s a sudden blank spot or crossing of wires. It takes the form of failure to remember things normally remembered, and failure to follow quite simple chains of logic which previously presented them with no difficulty at all. There’s also something harder to describe – a disconnectedness.
I’m speaking of people whose ages range from 30 to 85.
Maybe, but I think it is more that the jabbed have never used, or attempted to use, most of their faculties. #Homo Non Sapiens
And what do the MHRA have to say about this….Sweet FA!
So very hard to rule out as examples are everywhere.
Evidence of the vaccines’ self-assembling graphine oxide thingies interacting with 5G emissions?
I wish I were kidding.
Get an education.
Isn’t it time for your second booster. Don’t forget to take your 3rd in 3 months’ time.
Brilliant.
Also (in all seriousness), susceptibility to psycological propaganda?
Those executing the psycological operations are relentless, and not all folks who’ve succumb to the psyop are necessarily infantilised suckers or intellectual minnows. Just as anyone who has rejected officialdoms narrative isn’t neccessarily a nobel-level thinker or intellectual, as I’m sure my postings here demonstrate.
https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2022.03.02.482639v1
Decoding COVID-19 mRNA Vaccine Immunometabolism in Central Nervous System: human brain normal glial and glioma cells by Raman imaging
Lodz University of Technology, Poland
“observed alterations in biochemical profiles upon incubation with COVID-19 mRNA in the specific organelles of the glial cells are similar to those we observe for brain cancer”
Seems pretty obvious to me.
They’re sheep and they do and think as authority tells them to.
Take a “vaccine” – they take a vaccine.
Hate Russia – they hate Russia.
I’ll be willing to bet the vaxxed are more likely to support BLM, will definitely believe the climate catastrophe story, more likely to use a wide range of pronouns. The whole lot.
Sheep will be sheep.
Yep – it is all 4 covid/Ukraine/net zero (Greta)/BLM – every woke thing under the sun
Baaaaaaaaaa!
They only see the threat, perceived or otherwise, that’s in front of them and have no regard for the consequences of dealing with that threat.
Safety whatever the cost…
Yeah, a sort of tunnel vision seems to be still in effect.
Think I can help here: “Look at how stupid the average man is – and then realise that 50% are stupider than that” (George Carlin).
But 56% compared to 59% doesn’t seem of much practical significance – or have I missed something?
The question wasn’t “Do you want the USA to go to war with Russia?” It was do you agree with establishing a NATO no-fly zone over the Ukraine. And the respondents were 59%, 34%, and 18% pro, respectively, among those who’d been spiked 3+, 2, or no times. The margin of error is cited as 3.1%. So the differences among the three groups are, if we make a number of assumptions of course, what would usually be considered “significant”.
I think you have to be very careful with questions like that. Other polls show clearly that the public have no idea what a no-fly zone actually is or means. For example if you ask people if they support a no-fly zone, lots will say yes. If you ask the exact same people if they support going to war with Russia, they’ll say no instead. The link no-fly zone = war, hasn’t been made in people’s minds, probably because they assume if there’s a different term to war it must be a different thing. The fact that one is basically a euphemism for another in the case where the enemy has a functioning (?) airforce, hasn’t cut through.
But equally it demonstrates how little knowledge people have and more worryingly, no interest in researching and finding out what the consequences are or why people are hesitant to agree to this before shouting from the top of every building that it should happen.
Well apart from just how stupid the stupids are not to understand that enforcing a No-fly zone which would involve shooting down Russian planes and killing Russians is an act of war, there is another factor.
The Western media have done a poor job reporting Russian military strategy/tactics… well to be fair they have only had 70 years or so… so that they can label what is happening as ‘failure’ because it does not latch the way USA et al operate.
The Russians, unlike NATO does not achieve air superiority using aircraft, it uses extensive, well coordinated anti-aircraft missiles.
It also does not, unlike NATO, use aircraft to support ground offensives, it uses artillery. So a No-fly zone would make little difference to Russian operations. It would however give Russian anti-aircraft operators target practice against NATO aircraft patrolling the No-fly zone.
After 2 years of this crap, it’s understandable that we might be ever so slightly sceptical of every claim made on the telly, or by so called influencers. What I can’t understand is how so many I know, who’ve done everything they’ve been told, aren’t questioning everything. So many triple boosted, who are on their 2nd or 3 rd bout of the Ro at the moment. At some point the penny has to drop!?
The penny mustn’t drop. It cannot drop. They are in too deep. Their colours are too firmly fixed at the top of the mast.
Painful (and mildly entertaining) to watch!
Nobody likes to admit they’re wrong.
I don’t like being wrong, but I have absolutely no problem admitting it if and once I’m convinced as such.
That’s because the likes of you and me are interested in establishing the truth, Paul.
Yes the madness continues. I can almost forgive the old frail, but still today I was watching students still masking up at shop entrances and bus stops. Later I was walking the dog in warm sunshine along an almost deserted canal towpath when a cyclist coming towards me slowed and said what a great day it was, this through his union flag mask. I replied that it would be even better if he took off his useless mask. He grunted something at me and cycled off apparently not too happy. I guess he was aged about 40 and clearly there is no hope for people like him, his real roll in life is simply to be cannon fodder for our heathen government.
Those masked types are everywhere here on the mid-Atlantic east coast. Question: are they virtue signaling their love for their fellow man and their superior knowledge of viral transmission? Or projecting their disdain for the mask free? Or, are they truly afraid, and hoping you’ll keep your distance?
If the penny hasn’t dropped by now, it never will. I think there is something of the Battered Wife Syndrome about it. Battered women cling to the belief their husband loves them really and is good deep down, but also feel too insecure to become independent and so trade-off the abuse for security.
Stockholm syndrome.
They might drop before the penny does!
Two words: Critical thinking!
or it could simply be the jabbed are far more likely to view MSM while the un jabbed are more likely to use other sources that are not locked into the mainstream.
I wasn’t believing a word of msm for the 20 years leading up to the plandemic so was well positioned to instinctively call bullshit on the whole enterprise as soon as they declared it!
I was trained by two deeply sceptical parents (how they would have loved DS), to believe nothing from the msm of any country, unless I had independent verification from different sources.
I was, nonetheless, shocked by how effective the bullshit was – despite the fact that Dad warned me never to underestimate the enemy.
My parents were the opposite, a law fearing member of the clergy.
I don’t know what it is that creates the sceptics – I’m just glad that something does, and wish there were more of us.
It took me a few weeks. I was on the side of Boris in the early days when he was talking about herd immunity, must’ve been the ‘libertarian’ in me.
The majority of the population never question anything. I can only assume that they have decided to live an ignorance is bliss type of life. However, to consider a war with Russia a good idea is the thinking of them clinically insane as is homing some refugees who you know nothing about.
You need specialist home insurance if you invite strangers to live in your home. Otherwise, if they leave the gas on and your house burns down, I doubt that there would be any compensation. This insurance will be charging higher premiums.
You would need to select your insurer carefully and let them know you have no idea who will be coming to live with you, no background checks possible.
Watching UK Column yesterday, and the question of housing refugees came up. Hold into your hats…apparently if have lodger or have people living at your house, or rent out any part of your house whilst you are still paying the mortgage on the property, the mortgage company needs to be informed. But now if you have Ukranians living with you, that condition has be dropped! What could possibly go wrong?
With the cost of energy, they need to be more generous!
But some of these Ukrainian women are hot. Remember seeing all the fruit pickers from Russia, Ukraine and eastern Europe. Was in Herefordshire with all the strawberry farms. You have to consider it from a sex starved red blooded male LOL.
I try my best but the Radio in the car is not DAB. As a Metalhead, there’s not much music that I enjoy on the Radio, so all I have is BBC4 and that virtue singling, loathsome little cretin Nicky Campbell on Five Live.
Russia says “unfriendly countries” must now pay fro gas and oil in rubles. So, EU/UK must either bust their own sanctions on the Russian Central Bank or collapse their own economies.
All seems designed to collapse economies. Where’ve I seen that before 🤔
What are you referring to? Venezuela and Zimbabwe are recent examples of deliberately collapsed economies.
I’m finding it hard to keep my jaw from dropping every time I hear on the radio that retail inflation in Britain will rise to 8% or 10% this year. It’s hard to believe that many believe that kind of statement. Maybe they should find themselves some internet pen-friends living in Venezuela or Zimbabwe.
Maybe Zimbabweans, having had a much lower standard of living, were psychologically better prepared to deal with collapse. How will Brits react? With soy-based timidity or pitchforks and guillotines?
Cost of petrol in Finland up 70% in the past year and half. Fact. 2.35 Euros/litre here.
A country bordering the largest oil producer in the world. Well done, The West.
Have you seen the difference in diesel price Morocco versus Algeria? I bet that border is BUSY!
You do realise that Russia stole the southern third of Finland just before WW2, and hasn’t given it back? What do you expect them to do – say thank you?
From the lows or the average? Don’t forget oil was negative at one point. I saw that if kept inine with inflation over 20 years petrol should be £2.50 a litre or some such, technically its still cheap.
But, but… they said inflation was transitory until a few of supply chain issues were ironed out.
You mean… they were lying to us? Again?
Well, I’m sure this is the last time they lie to us because deep down they’re good people who only want the best for us. I trust them…
It’s a shocking number for sure but when you decide to hand out money like sweeties at Halloween then what did they expect? Of course Russia , the pandemic are all causes of inflation but not excess money in the system according to the MSM.
My local hardware store has just received some gas cylinders that people use for BBQs. Last week price £28. This week’s price £48. They are seeing price increases every time they reorder an item but are unable to fully pass on the costs as people won’t pay it.
At least diesel is cheap in Venezuela. Have you seen the price of diesel in Zimbabwe, though?! THAT is a failed economy, right there!
I thought EU/UK, (USA and Canada for that matter) have already destroyed their economies.
No, Susan.
But credit where it is due.
They are trying their best, dammit!
Many don’t understand that a NATO no-fly zone over the Ukraine would mean war between the US and Russia. (And not within weeks either, but within hours.) Many among the “vaccinated” in particular are challenged by the notion of causation.
“But it’s so important to support Ukraine” is all I ever hear from them – they don’t seem to be able to say WHY it is so important
Because blue and yellow and Putin bad and Ukraine good, isn’t it?
You’ve been watching how a certain Mrs N Pelosi talks about it!
I don’t think she’s capable of that level of analysis..
She is good for tracking shares before any particular event it seems. Follow her and cash in.
Mrs N Pelosi seems to speak, albeit imperfectly, for the vaxxed among us.
I hear it’s because the Russian aggressors are inflicting suffering upon the innocent Ukrainians. School children in the US are being enlisted to show solidarity with the Ukraine people, to wear their colors, raise money for refugees, etc. It’s the same, well orchestrated, mass reaction playing out as we saw in March 2020 over COVID.
At least somebody told them there’s a war on. That’s more than the Russians get to hear.
a) Because since WW2 no one has taken over an entire sovereign state and been allowed to get away with it. b) Because it won’t stop at Ukraine. c) Because if there’s no answer to this, then it’s a green light for every militaristic government in the world. d) Because it’s very hard to watch a country like ours being trashed.
Most of our sheep have been trained to make decisions purely based upon emotions that they are instructed to feel by the media. They come to decisions like a chess player that thinks zero moves ahead.
I think you have hit the nail on the head TBP – it is a simple response to a diet of propaganda. But why can we see that it propaganda and the rest cannot? I keep asking this question because it completely mystifies me.
Everyone in government gets the risk. That’s why they chose not to do it.
By the way, a no fly zone was sustained over Iraq for many years without anyone calling it ‘war’.
Anyone who’d really made an effort to understand the Syrian civil war would not be quick to judge Russia in 2022. I was practically cheering for them when they went in to that country.
Well-informed and well-read people are likely to be equivocal about Ukraine and reluctant to trust the ‘vaccines.’
This edition of a Christian news show from Florida featured an article about Assad hosting a conference for Christians (in Damascas I believe) – saying he wanted to keep Christians in his country. If you go to 38 mins mark there is a reference etc what Assad has to say about Zelensky and Nazis.
https://www.trunews.com/stream/judgment-at-americas-door-as-nato-and-russia-gallop-toward-nuclear-war
There are ISIS ‘refugees’ amonst the Azov battalion forces. They use a distinctive single raised finger of the right hand as a salute.
The guy crouching on the front row, third from the right is one example.
Dud’s Army.
I suspect some of those fellows are desperately regretting some of their tattooing choices right about now.
Interesting thanks.
Some people think about the complexity of a situation and others think more simplistically. Those understanding that life and solutions are complex are less likely to have a rigid solution to any problem.
I would agree with your point but I’ll need a bit of time to think about it.
I’m no psychologist, but it seems to me that those persons expressing simultaneously an irrational trust in these shots and eagerness for war are manifesting their attachment to a death cult. I bet they love abortion and euthanasia too. Poor fools.
Yes!
No. I’m serious.
Comment amended. For some reason I read it completely back to front ! Long day.
🤗
I don’t know about it being a death cult but is most certainly a cult – and you have omitted the net zero Greta worshipping and the BLM agenda – all part and parcel of the same virtue signalling bandwagon, because that is all it is, a bandwagon, and to them it is soooo important to be on it.
I agree! To most among us it is crucially important to belong and be accepted. The old rugged individual once admired is a shunned character today.
I think there is a lot in that – they don’t like to be outsiders or to not belong with the crowd. Personally I can think of nothing worse.
Here’s another point, perhaps too obvious to make. These two overlapping groups (the vaccinated and the war enthusiasts) are watching tv news, listening to msm broadcasts, and reading the propaganda press. Their manipulated views will reflect the official narrative.
Highly likely – but why can’t they see that they are being manipulated?
Why can we see it but they can’t? That is what mystifies me.
Because they are tuned in. They aren’t thinking for themselves. They aren’t in the habit of thinking for themselves. They derive a sense of community and purpose from participating in the popular narrative. They dread not belonging. Those of us immune to the influence of propaganda find the meaning in life elsewhere. I think it was Londo M who said, a while back, that we are able to discern the truth (or at least detect the falsehoods) by the grace of God, whether we know it or not.
I tend to think it’s a consequence of behavioural adaptation; most people need to be followers.. if everyone thought the way sceptics think, no army would ever be raised, no belief system would ever be established and basically nothing would ever get done!
They probably also have a great respect for the “we love death” religion of peace
The “Butcher of Serbia” dies – she will now face justice she never faced in this life.
https://twitter.com/morphonios/status/1506703892364599301/photo/1
The Wicked Witch is Dead!
She also claimed the deaths of 500,000+ Iraqi civilians was a price worth paying.
Perhaps a campaign could be started: “Wear a face mask if you support Russia”.
Might be one way to get people to take them off?
Do what SAGE does. Fight fire with fire.
No, you have got that all wrong EF – the mask wearers are Ukraine supporters – the people who refuse to wear a mask would be on the Ruskies side of things (or if not that far, at the very least would not be Ukraine supporters or taking any kind of side for that matter)
The fact we’re not seeing blue and yellow face masks out on the high street must be disappointing to the satanic overlords..
Careful … you’ll give them ideas.
Honestly, I am amazed they haven’t already started doing that. Perhaps they would have trouble remembering which way up to wear it, as it may be a bit taxing on their remaining vaccine-addled brain cells.
And they would run the risk of appearing to show solidarity with Sweden, which is what they’ve been trying to avoid for two years.
https://www.amazon.com/Ukraine-Flag-Face-Washable-Covering/dp/B08GN3GJ7Y
loads came up on etsy too <facepalm>
aww rats.
Hey, I witnessed a brilliant bit of free market economics at a local Campervan exhibition last Friday (Gt Yorkshire Showground). See photo. The vendor was as Scouse as you like. Watched him on and off for about twenty minutes; he had a constant stream of customers. Hats off to the guy, managing to take the piss AND their money! “FOGOFF”
I was creasing up, didn’t dare stand too close, would have peed on his bonfire!
And they’re called Ukotini; they’re ticking all the boxes!
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=yyjLEdUjI0Q
These guys?
“Ukotini” is Zulu for “cotton”. Can’t figure the connection, tbh.
I have seen one. Homemade, though, I think.
Yes, I have one of those. It’s invisible though so you literally wouldn’t know I was wearing it.
Because I am not.
Look 11 people approving this are showing that they don’t understand what they agree to.
We need an underground, spread-it-like wildfire booklet of black humour. Sell it as an NFT. Then at least we can put in a bid on a seized yacht and hold a big party. Anyone who is prone to seasickness should forget about their problem and come anyway. Let’s party like it’s the end of the world!
Quiz question: who coined the phrase “black humour”?
(Unfortunately, this info is easily available in the Wikipedia article…)
That’s brilliant, EF. A bit like, “Is Islam right about women?”
Actually made me laugh.
But all the sceptics would die of confusion, since they hate masks and support Russia.
Fairly long article to explain that those most malleable are easiest to lead. It’s not rocket surgery.
There’s no point trying to correlate data like this. At least 90% of people worldwide are complete and utter fuckwits.
Yes, they are.
I don’t like to bring down my fellow man or woman or whatever, but judging by what I’ve observed this last two years, seen how general joined up thinking has left the building, and the eagerness to conform and comply, to the detriment of falling out with loved ones and friends, who dare to express an alternative opinion, I have to concur that I think you are right.
I’ve always seen being online as generating the same psychology as being in a car. Someone who is usually polite, mild-mannered and timid will develop Hulk-like aggression and biblical levels of vengefulness if they get cut up at the lights. In the car, they are detached and cocooned, outwith the reality of the real world and its consequences. They can go nuts without (usually) repercussions.
Similarly online – they’d never dream of harming someone they met in work or on the street, but they will happily destroy the career and life of someone via the internet if that person simply holds a different opinion to them on a trigger issue.
For the avatar mind, nuclear war with Russia is a concept detached from their reality. It is Call of Duty on a global scale. Yes bombs will fall, millions will die, cities will be razed – but not in their world, just in that one that exists out there on the web.
At least until their face is melting from radiation poisoning, then they might realise their oopsie.
“mild-mannered and timid will develop Hulk-like aggression and biblical levels of vengefulness if they get cut up at the lights. In the car, they are detached and cocooned, outwith the reality of the real world and its consequences.”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PgQ7LSs7ZqA
I’m not sure it’s just a distrust of the narrative, though that mite be a natural consiquence, it’s more that sceptics are more likely to research a given subject before declaring an opinion. Note the “don’t knows” are higher in the unvaccinated group too. though a difference is that Western governments are themselves currently opposed to escalating the conflict with Russia. I think the US strategy has been to draw Russia into the conflict, and bog them down for years in it, a la Afghanistan. The fact the CIA has been training Ukranians in “insurgent” tactics since at least 2015 seems to back this view. https://www.yahoo.com/news/cia-trained-ukrainian-paramilitaries-may-take-central-role-if-russia-invades-185258008.html https://thegrayzone.com/2022/03/20/us-neo-nazi-ukraine-afghan-insurgency/ It seems this is the most profitable for the arms trade, with low political risk for either side of the isle, although the neo-cons, defense industry ‘think tanks’, and lobby groups are a large factor on boths sides. This would also support the bigger globalist overview, ragarding a multi-polar (new) world order, wherby the UN becomes a defacto world government, bypassing democracy, with it’s agenda clearly in view. Clearly Putin & Xi are fully on board with this, it forwards the bigger agenda. It’s pretty safe to say the financiers behind it all… Read more »
Dick Cheney laid down the ground work in the 1990s as soon as the Soviet Union was dissolved. Russia was to be destroyed and divided into small pieces so it could never again ’cause trouble’.
I thought they planned that in late 40s or early 50s. Can’t remember the name of the operation but apparently JFK was appalled by the prospect.
Moderate your opinions, fools, the phantom downticker is on the prowl and means business!
Help is on the way. I’ve been doing lots of up-ticking …
Sorry cs, I just couldn’t resist an invitation like that! I promise I’ll never do it again!
🙂
I was asking for it.
As Tucker Carlson pointed out recently, and I enlarged on here at DS a couple of weeks back, we’ve seen three great moral panics sweeping the US sphere in the past two years, engulfing the gullible and the receptive in waves of emotionally manipulative propaganda, generating hysterical belief in essentially anti-rational ideas based upon key lies at the root of each one. These related to first covid, then BLM, and now the Ukraine.
Each issue is likely to appeal to slightly different demographics, but the common factor is gullibility and hence vulnerability to emotionally manipulative propaganda.
You can add climate alarmism, on a rather longer timescale.
The issue for us, imo, is why our society seems to have become so vulnerable to these manipulative mass panics, and how can we revert to a situation where there were controls and cultural and political “circuit breakers” that protected us from the worst effects of this kind of thing?
These panics and alarms have been different in nature since 9/11. The Y2K nonsense that preceded it caused nothing like the heightened emotional levels we see now. Reasonable disagreements were more common.
The “war on terror” encouraged and incited terror, and emboldened authoritarians. The hysteria about Iraq and the gullibility with regard to the existence of weapons of mass destruction and “that madman” Saddam were extraordinary.
Cruelties have abounded. Torture is fine (as long as the good guys are the torturers); fair trials of bad guys are completely unnecessary (even a bad idea, because it gives them a chance to share their badness); Guantanamo is a reasonable way to treat people you fear.
A dark night began.
Yes 9/11 is where I can trace my own scepticism to. I remember being a fresh faced Guardian reading young chap receiving a text message the day after from a dear friend expressing gentle scepticism about the supposed perpetrators and it was my 🤯 moment. Spent several years down that particular rabbit hole arriving at the conclusion that the official story was nonsense fiction; that lead to the invasion of Iraq, also a pack of lies, that lead to Libya, Syria and finally everyone’s favourite global health crisis. We live in a reality carefully constructed by arch criminals. As soon as you realise that, there’s no going back to normie world.
So that’s where your problems began.
Very easily explained. What largely separates unvaxxed and vaxxed are three traits – willingness to conform (need for peer approval), levels of naivety/trust, ability to assess risk. These three traits can be wrapped into a single measurement – level of common sense. Guardian readers will be at the very bottom of the well.
Absolutely the first trait is the most important in my opinion. I have absolutely no qualms disagreeing with a room full of my professional peers, and I often do. If I disagree, I will never change my mind unless persuaded by reason. It serves me quite well professionally and I think it is somewhat surprisingly seen by others as a positive trait, despite them cowardishly conforming whenever they have their own doubts. However, I am in a tiny minority and have only ever met a handful of others who lack this stupid animal instinct.
After being ‘red-pilled’ by Brexit, I’ve come to the firm conclusion that – besides death and taxes – there is one thing in life of which one can be absolutely 100% certain. . .
Namely, that when the unholy trinity of politicians (of all colours), so called ‘experts’ and the mainstream media are all signing from the same hymn sheet, then it’s time to smell one mighty big – as in ‘effing gargantuan – rat! Be it Brexit, Trump, the p(l)andemic, or Ukraine – they’re all in lockstep. Throughout all of the above, we’ve had global warming – or climate change – or whatever the latest term for it is. As far as I’m concerned, they lied to us about Brexit, they lied to us about Trump, they lied to us spectacularly about the p(l)andemic and they are lying to us about climate change. The trend is clear. Ergo, why on earth anyone believes a word they say about Russia and Ukraine is beyond me.
. . .PS
I forgot to say: I’m a ‘pureblood’!
They still trust the media, govts, and institutions.
Succinctly and perfectly put.
Some are easily brainwashed.
Others are critical thinkers.
Being against something because the media supports it is simply the mirror image of being for the things the media supports and no more free thinking. After having agreed with almost everything skeptical vis a vis covid, I find the belief the ukraine is acting at the behest of the elite in this war to be not very well supported.
Of course science and politics, at the core, should be very different domains. Science has better access to proof.
I don’t think that’s what’s being argued in the main. Most sceptics (the ones on here anyway) are simply resisting the calls to demonise Russia wholesale without contextualising the conflict or the role Western influences have had in fomenting and probably prolonging it.
“contextualising the conflict” is simply code for supporting the invasion.
Western politicians have repeatedly stressed their beef is with Putin, not Russians. Whereas in Russia, Putin has been feeding them for years with the notion that ‘the west’ is against everything Russian
Really? Do you watch a lot of Russian TV then?
You should read Suttons books, “The best enemy money can buy” He got kicked out of the Hoover Institute for exposing too much hard evidence, here’s an interview with him talking about his research
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zTDvLmEBESY
“On the face of it this makes no sense. Why would the most Covid risk-averse be the most enthusiastic about a policy that would, as 79 foreign policy experts from across America’s political spectrum put it in an open letter recently, “would mean going to war with Russia”?” It makes no sense only if you make the basic error of assuming that risk aversion is a root causative factor in taking the “vaccines”. Clearly, it is not. People became risk averse about covid because they believed the lies designed to make them fearful (but notably not about taking an experimental novel therapy). Likewise, risk aversion has no root causative relation to views on the Ukraine. At most, again, it’s a manipulative mid-stage in the process of generating the moral panic, ignoring risks involved in confronting Russia but manufacturing largely dishonest “risks” in not confronting Russia, just as largely dishonest (ie hugely exaggerated) “risks from covid” were pushed on people while the real but unknown risks inherent in taking a novel therapy were suppressed. The real root cause common to both is vulnerability to emotional manipulation, via fear or other sentimentalities, to peer pressure, and to authority. And the best defence in either… Read more »
Beautifully and comprehensively put.
Many years ago, as a young teenager, I asked an uncle in the corporate world why companies bothered with advertising. All that money for what? He told me, “Because it works.”
When I told him that I didn’t believe a word they said because I knew they were trying to get my money by any means they could, he said that they knew it didn’t work on everybody.
I’d forgotten that, until I read your last sentences.
The “vaccinated”, as the DS likes to call them, were told by the government and the MSM that they needed to be injected by experimental gene therapy. So without further enquiry, they queued up to be jabbed three times and will do so again in a few weeks time.
The “vaccinated”, as the DS likes to call them, have been told that we need hate Russia and they’re even encouraged to go out to Ukraine to fight the Russians with their bare hands. And so the “vaccinated” do as they’re told and support warfare.
Maybe the gunge they’ve been injected with really does meddle with their brains?
Perhaps those volunteering to fight can go and jab the Russians with some of our surplus clot shot?
That stuff is pretty lethal.
It seems like the “sceptics”/vaccine refusers are overwhelmingly apologists for Putin.
It is quite a shameful position to adopt.
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EXCLUSIVE: Archbishop Carlo Maria Viganò Responds to Critics of His Positions Regarding COVID Tyranny and Ukraine
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2022/03/exclusive-archbishop-carlo-maria-vigano-responds-critics-positions-regarding-covid-tyranny-ukraine/
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It all pivots between those for whom thinking things through is a necessity, and other people and who want to wish reality away and relax into a dream perfect world without the intrusion of reality. I’m sorry to say , but the Utopia version is a myth, the real version is just boringly real. So it goes.
We can have a perfect world if only we loved one another and grew radishes on our allotments and went to ‘Glasto’.