Watch: Professor Jay Bhattacharya and Professor John Ioannidis in Conversation
Collateral Global is hosting a live Q&A session tonight as it premieres a conversation between two sceptical heavyweights: Professors John Ioannidis and Jay Bhattacharya. Collateral Global was set up by the scientists behind the Great Barrington Declaration – Martin Kulldorff, Sunetra Gupta and Jay Bhattacharya – to document the collateral harms of lockdown. The Declaration, issued in October 2020, called for a rejection of lockdowns in favour of focused protection of the high risk.
Join Professor Jay Bhattacharya for a live Q&A session during the premiere on the Collateral Global YouTube channel on Wednesday March 9th at 8pm (GMT). The link for the video itself is here.
During their conversation, the two eminent scientists look back over the last two years and discuss the early seroprevalence studies, Infection Fatality Rates (IFR), precision shielding, the collateral damages caused by lockdowns, and how we can begin to rebuild faith in public health.
Here’s a rundown of what they discuss:
- 0:00 Professor Jay Bhattacharya welcomes Professor John Ioannidis to the conversation
- 0:38 How deadly is COVID-19?
- 4:53 IFR, seroprevalence, and testing.
- 9:06 Precision shielding, personalised medicine, age/risk gradients.
- 21:22 Were lockdowns effective?
- 28:14 Was there a consensus in favor of lockdown?
- 35:04 Was Zero Covid ever possible?
- 41:59 Mathematical modelling.
- 49:39 Treatments and evidence-based medicine.
- 56:44 How well have the NIH and the FDA done in the U.S.?
- 1:01:42 Tablet article, academic debate, GBD.
- 1:14:38 Strengths and weaknesses of science.
- 1:22:07 Reforms required in science?
- 1:30:24 Essential nature of art for society.
Here are some links to Covid-related studies and articles by Prof. Ioannidis:
- Santa Clara seroprevalence study in the International Journal of Epidemiology
- IFR study in the Bulletin of the WHO
- IFR study in the European Journal of Clinical Investigation
- Second IFR study in the European Journal of Epidemiology (in press, currently available as preprint)
- Precision shielding in BMJ Global Health
- Limitations of modelling in Journal of Clinical Epidemiology
- “A fiasco in the making? As the coronavirus pandemic takes hold, we are making decisions without reliable data” in Stat News (March 17th 2020)
- “Saving Democracy from the Pandemic” in Tablet Magazine
- “How the Pandemic is changing the Norms of Science” in Tablet Magazine
A full list of John Ioannidis’s COVID-19-related publications can be downloaded from here.
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The only way faith in public health can be returned is for those who got it so catastrophically wrong to admit it, and for those who sought to profit in some manner and at the public’s expense, to be prosecuted and/or removed from office and from positions of authority or influence.
They don’t care, they only care about obedience to their global masters
I shall be tuning in. However there have been only a handful of debates in two years between GBD scientists and the lockdown/zero covid mob. I wonder which side is avoiding the other? The Cambridge union and talk radio and the BBC’s Big Question (once) tried to organise such debates but the lockdown media stars were seemingly unavailable.
Now a debate between the two here and locktivists such as Sridhar and Ferguson – that would be well worth watching! I rather doubt if the locktivists would be too keen, somehow.
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Great to see so much good ppl in the Collateral Global YT Channel but I’m affraid the PCR specialists are missing as usual. It would be great if CGlobal could also have on great scientists like David Resnick, Sona Peková or Andrew Kaufman because, let’s face it, the Corman-Drosten Protocol behind the PCRs being performed on our populations is so flawed that nothing good can come from ‘anallysing the numbers’ once they are deeply corrupted. If one fails to understand that paramount subject all the rest is useless tail chaising.
A fascinating discussion: two highly intelligent men, who seem to believe that they are members of a gentlemanly club, in a fundamentally reasonable society that has temporarily lost its “normal senses”.
So when they are treated badly – and they have been – they see this as a curious anomaly, not an indication of something truly rotten in the state of Denmark/the World. People need to behave better.
Ioannidis says he “wants to believe” in the collective good faith of scientists. Well, don’t we all (Bhattacharya is more dubious). The bad behaviour of certain scientists is not something they choose to interrogate – and that’s understandable.
But they appear to dismiss the problems, to put it mildly, of the “vaccines”, as though the scientists who have expressed their concerns deserve to be marginalised – should be “fringe” (rather than sensible, sound chaps like themselves).
Not seen it yet but have come to a similar conclusion watching Ioannidis before – he seems not to wish to skewer some of his peers who have very willingly sold out. Too polite or to much to lose – cannot make up my mind except that his interventions to date have been revelatory to this non scientist.
Ditto