Reflections on the War in Ukraine

We’re publishing an original essay today by Dr. James Alexander, an Assistant Professor in the Department of Political Science at Bilkent University in Turkey and a regular Daily Sceptic contributor. In this typically thoughtful and illuminating essay, Dr. Alexander tries to pinpoint what’s so strange about the war in Ukraine and what sceptics should think about it. Here is an extract:

The war in Ukraine is a strange war, because it is old-fashioned. It is the classic European form of war, whereby one sovereign state clashes with another sovereign state over some disputed territory – as adjusted by the Napoleon-Bismarck-Hitler intensifications whereby a European sovereign state engages totally with its adversaries: now enabled by military technology, on the sudden and sharp side, to engage in blitzkrieg-type assaults at high speed on the central citadel to effect some sort of ‘regime change’, and enabled, on the blunt and brutal side, to wage a complete war grindingly against the entirety of the civilian population.

The reason I say that this war of 2022 is old-fashioned is that since 1945 we in the West have generally fought only colonial or post-colonial wars or pseudo-wars: Korea, Suez, Vietnam, the Falklands, Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya. These have involved extremely distant engagements where there is no risk to European or American civilians. (Even the Second World War, was, by and large, of this nature for Americans.) These wars were not always liked, and were not always successes – consider Suez and Vietnam or, latterly, Afghanistan – but they were, as far as the Western states were concerned, colonial. That is, disengaged, and, for us, completely military.

But even such colonial or post-colonial wars are considered by our elites to be passé. The very latest type of war – the one we prefer, we educated elites in the West – is the war against carbon emissions, the war against COVID-19, the Culture War. In each case, humanity (pronouns we/us) – humanity, I say, has some responsibility for the enemy we are fighting, but the enemy is, emphatically, not composed of any mass of humans as such. The enemy (sometimes a foe, sometimes a fate) is a change in our earthly condition, or a virus and sickness, or prejudice and bias. This is the sort of war we moderns like to fight: with wind turbines, masks and seminars on institutional racism. And we like to fight them to the death: which explains all the talk of ‘zero’. We want to dissolve the enemy, destroy it completely, and we console ourselves that since this enemy is not human, we are justified in this sort of war, if not in any other sort of war.

Let us call the three types of war I have described, first, IMPERIAL WAR, second, COLONIAL WAR, and third, METAPHORICAL WAR. Imperial war is direct, an extension of power across land. Colonial war is indirect and distant. It need never involve civilians. It is bracketed: it is war by report. Metaphorical war brings war back home again, since the war is now fought on our behalf by states and sometimes involves those sacrificing its own citizens as a form of collateral damage, for the greater good.

COVID-19 was the instantiation of this in such a clear form that even the most innocent could see it clearly.

Like all Dr. Alexander’s essays, this one is worth reading in full.

Image: Note that this ‘Time Magazine cover’ is a mock-up, not a real one published by the company.

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Fireweasel
Fireweasel
4 years ago

Ukrainian C14 neo-Nazi official tells how his neo-Nazi militia got funds and weapons from the West. This same official also tells of how neo-Nazis played a prominent role in the West/NATO instigated and backed coup d’état in Ukraine in 2014.   It’s beyond deniability that the West and NATO gave both funds and weapons to neo-Nazi militias in Ukraine.   In the quotes below is a text translation of what this official says in the recording. (He says ‘We have fun killing’. If you view him, you’ll believe he does.)   Ukrainian C14 Neo-Nazi Official: “We have now been given so much weaponry, not because as some people claim, ‘The West is helping us’, nor because they [West] want the best for us, but because we perform the tasks set by the West.“[The West set us those tasks] because we are the only ones who are ready to do them.“Because we have fun, we have fun killing and we have fun fighting, and they’re [the West] like, ‘Wow, let’s see what’s going to happen, and that is the reason for the new alliance of Turkey, Poland, Britain and Ukraine.“We are the flag-men in this, because we have started a war… Read more »

chris-ds
chris-ds
4 years ago
Reply to  Fireweasel

State sponsored terrorism?

Rogerborg
4 years ago
Reply to  chris-ds

It depends if they win or not. Winners are freedom fighters, only losers are terrorists.

Fireweasel
Fireweasel
4 years ago
Reply to  Rogerborg

And the winners will write the history to ensure all future generations believe that these same winners wore the white hats and broke no laws, either of God or man. 

David Beaton
David Beaton
4 years ago
Reply to  Fireweasel

Yes, Himmler once boasted of the freedom of action to slaughter whomsoever he wished was given him by the certain knowledge that as the ‘victor’ he would be writing the history books – didn’t turn out too well.

Star
4 years ago
Reply to  David Beaton

Hitler asked “Who remembers the Armenians now?”, referring to the genocide committed against the Armenians by Turks from 1915.

Goebbels knew that if his side won the war they’d go down in “history” as the greatest statesmen of all time; and if they lost, as the greatest criminals.

Arfur Mo
Arfur Mo
4 years ago
Reply to  Star

Ditto Churchill

Dame Lynet
Dame Lynet
4 years ago
Reply to  Fireweasel

That video should be a massive wake up call to the gullible teddy bear collectors in our society, both as to the reality in Ukraine and also our own government’s shenanigans.

I’d like to see some man-bun wearer accuse that bloke of misgendering someone, or of not bending the knee sufficiently to blm.

harrystillgood
harrystillgood
4 years ago
Reply to  Dame Lynet

Only if it’s not fake news. We surely must accept by now that any information we receive is odds on to be fake.

David Beaton
David Beaton
4 years ago
Reply to  harrystillgood

Believe nothing said by any poilticians and the media – can’t go far wrong!

Easy with Johnson the opposite of what he says is usually the truth!

David Beaton
David Beaton
4 years ago
Reply to  harrystillgood

Especially that from all Western media and politicians – RT has had some very sceptical pieces about the Russian Government along with excellent documentary histories of the Ukraine packed with first hand testimonials and also allows free discussion – of a kind sadly no longer ever seen on the BBC!

In order to ascertain ‘the truth’ we always need two sides to track the middle way where ‘the fragile truth’ often resides.

We are now denied that and can therefore trust nothing we are told as being objective.

“Russian General killed trying to help Ukrainian civilians escape Ukrainian shelling” Anyone see that report in UK Media ?

karenovirus
4 years ago
Reply to  Fireweasel

Although we appear to be on the ‘same side’, accusing those who oppose you of taking the most extreme form of that opposition, “new nazi”, is a woke tactic and always has been, nor worthy of support and which undermines our argument.

Fireweasel
Fireweasel
4 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

“… accusing those who oppose you …”

 
I really can’t understand what you mean by that?
 
As for neo-Nazis. There are ordinary decent “nationalists” and “patriots” in Ukraine, but C14 are in neither of these brackets. C14 are genuine neo-Nazis and they openly admit that. But these neo-Nazis make up a very small percentage of people in Ukraine.  
 
I believe the general definition for neo-Nazi with normal people on the centre-Right is bullying, murderous thug that is no good to country or culture. If these C14 thugs were around in 1935 they’d gladly do their savagery under Stalin’s far-Left banner.
 
As for the woke idiots and their application of the term Nazi to everything they don’t agree with, if we start changing the definitions of commonly used words and terms because some halfwits have given them definitions opposite to their original meanings, then we would soon run out of definitions.
 
Anyway, I’m not using neo-Nazis to refer to Ukrainian “nationalists” or “patriots”. 

David Beaton
David Beaton
4 years ago
Reply to  Fireweasel

Intelligent comment – sadly like hens’ teeth!

artfelix
4 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

Generally I agree, however if that actually are neo-Nazis then it’s worth pointing that out

MTF
MTF
4 years ago
Reply to  Fireweasel

So you believe everything Yevhen Karas says?

7941MHKB
7941MHKB
4 years ago
Reply to  Fireweasel

Always interesting to read the Party line from Moscow.

Yes, I’m sure all Ukrainians (except the “majority” who want to be ruled by Putin) are staunch Neo-Nazis.

In particular those nasty Neo-Nazi women and children swarming towards Neo-Nazi Poland, Neo-Nazi Hungary, Neo-Nazi Romania and the rest.

Quite right that the heroic peace loving Putinesque Russians are ignoring the Neo-Nazi protesters in Russia and bravely shelling residential areas in Neo-Nazi held areas of Western Russia, doubtless soon to be extended to the Neo-Nazi areas which were part of the Neo-Nazi Austro-Hungarian Empire and the Neo-Nazi Polish Republic.

Who can forget the kindness of the beloved Stalin and his henchmen in Ukraine when they did their best to prevent the Neo-Nazi kulaks from over-eating in the celebrated Holodomor?
And the sheer humanity of the heroic KGB in dealing with Neo-Nazis in the period between 1944 and 1952? The number of Neo-Nazis who were so kindly educated in the Gulag Archipelago?

Fireweasel
Fireweasel
4 years ago
Reply to  7941MHKB

That’s one hell of a hilariously deranged word-salad. 

7941MHKB
7941MHKB
4 years ago
Reply to  Fireweasel

Yup, that’s why I responded to it.

I’d just cash in your extra ‘Putin Points’ fairly soon, or convert them into to Renminbi.

Fireweasel
Fireweasel
4 years ago
Reply to  7941MHKB

It replies with all the intellectuality of a lizard. 

Is that the best you can offer, you two-bit loser? 

crisisgarden
4 years ago
Reply to  7941MHKB

/s

David Beaton
David Beaton
4 years ago
Reply to  7941MHKB

So you deny the Nazis ever existed or still do exist even though they wear Nazi insignia and call for the ‘ethnic cleansing ‘ of Russians from their homes !

What about the Holocaust – do you deny that as well? Any idea of the number of Russian prisoners of war murdered by the Nazis in WW2?

7941MHKB
7941MHKB
4 years ago
Reply to  David Beaton

Obviously not. But I’m certain that you deny Holodomor, the Gulags and their consequences.

There are also “Neo-Nazis” in most countries including the UK.

Mostly tiny numbers of pathetic dimwits.

Absolutely no comparison with the immediate danger of hordes of State supported GangGreen lunatics and their Crony Capitalist promoters and financers. Not least Vladimir Putin. Although he has very sensibly taken great care that GangGreen doesn’t appear much in Russia
.

Star
4 years ago
Reply to  Fireweasel

It’s clearer to call them “S14”; the “C” is Cyrillic, as in “CCCP”.

The “14” suggests a US neo-Nazi influence, surely referring to the “14 words” beloved of white supremacists: “We must secure the existence of our people and a future for white children.” This usage comes from the US and is not “European” in the sense that “18” and “88” are, even if some neo-Nazis use the combined form “14/88”.

This doesn’t mean “14” doesn’t ALSO refer to 14 October 1942, the mythical foundation date of the Ukrainian Insurgent Army (UPA).

Human Resource 19510203
Human Resource 19510203
4 years ago
Reply to  Fireweasel

It’s always worth remembering that Wall Street financed the Bolshevik revolution and the rise of Hitler and so profited from both sides in WW1 and WW2. There’s little that’s new under the Sun.

Dodgy Geezer
Dodgy Geezer
4 years ago

To get rid of war completely you must get rid of human striving and ambition, and turn us into sheep.

The better way is to provide some safer outlet for this striving. Exploration was one answer in the days when the world was young – this is what we need to get back to….

harrystillgood
harrystillgood
4 years ago
Reply to  Dodgy Geezer

Thats a really good thought thanks.

How about the God Shaped Hole? Not to say that we should regain religion. Just to point out that since the west became largely secular, there’s an enormous void being filled willingly by hysteria. It seems, though might be a coincidence.

So the question might be(being careful not to beg it): Is the GSH really a problem or a solution. And for whichever, how to attend to that?

Moist Von Lipwig
4 years ago
Reply to  harrystillgood

Faith and force are the destroyers of the world.

The rejection of formal religion is not the adoption of reason.

James Kreis
4 years ago

So many commentators seem to have conveniently forgotten about the NATO destruction of Yugoslavia in 1999.

Fireweasel
Fireweasel
4 years ago
Reply to  James Kreis

Many choose to also forget how in 1990’s Balkan War NATO bombed the hell out of Slavic people.

Russia was economically on its knees at that time and I recall thinking that when they get their mojo back they’ll remember acts like that.

David Beaton
David Beaton
4 years ago
Reply to  Fireweasel

Yes the RAF targeted the TV station and I believe some international journalists were killed. Weak Russia could do nothing.

However, a wise Prussian once said it all:

“Do not expect that once taking advantage of Russia’s weakness, you will receive dividends forever. Russians have always come for their money . And when they come do not rely on an agreement signed by you, you are supposed to justify . They are not worth the paper they are written on.
Therefore, with the Russians the only way is to play fair, or do not play at all.”

Otto von Bismarck

peyrole
peyrole
4 years ago
Reply to  James Kreis

Yes just going to post the same. And Kosovo of course was the template for creation of ‘independent’ states in eastern Ukraine. NATO doing it; good. Russia doing it, bad.
And he missed out War on Terror, which of course is human/human war, now clearly aimed at humans within the State boundaries. The latest manifestation being ‘white supremacists’ which apparently the CIA are busily inventing to perpetuate the domestic terrorist emergency.

harrystillgood
harrystillgood
4 years ago
Reply to  peyrole

Just started doing a re-run of the X-Files on Disney(apologies for that). Hugely prescient.

TheyLiveAndWeLockdown
4 years ago
Reply to  James Kreis

and that was when i noticed the MSM blatantly lying too.

harrystillgood
harrystillgood
4 years ago

Are they lying though?

Seriously! I’m not apologising for whatever it is they are doing trust me.

It seems to me they really really believe what they are saying. Even if you factor in the obvious following of the money they all have snouts buried deep in, they nonetheless believe the attraction of the belief itself, more than the temptation the money delivers.

To destroy a cult, requires a bigger more powerful cult. And the West has rid itself of a meaningful cult when it killed God (Im not religious BTW, just pointing at it). So the West is a weakling to all intents, where it matters most for Power.

Evidence?: notice how facts no longer are important on the ‘winning’ side of power these days…

If so what does that mean? Anyone want to go into it? Hard as that analysis will be, it does seem to have merit.

john ball
john ball
4 years ago
Reply to  James Kreis

so you are saying that the Croats and Serbs should have been left to fight it out among themselves divide the land between them and kill everyone else. I thought Nato became involved to protect the Bosnian and Kossover moslems

David Beaton
David Beaton
4 years ago
Reply to  john ball

Nato became involved to crush ‘Russia friendly’ and Nationalist Serbia. Russia’s weakness gave them the opportunity to meddle in the Balkans again ( like 1914)!

john ball
john ball
4 years ago
Reply to  David Beaton

yes they ended up attacking Serbia, but you have not answered my question about protecting the Moslem Bosnians and Kossovans.

Rowan
Rowan
4 years ago
Reply to  john ball

You actually still believe the bombing was about protecting people. Incredible.

Arfur Mo
Arfur Mo
4 years ago
Reply to  john ball

A comment by Richard J Aldrich regarding war crimes in the Serbia-Bosnia war:

America used Islamists to arm the Bosnian Muslims

Mark
4 years ago
Reply to  john ball

“Protecting” is just the propagandists’ way of describing intervening on one side in an internal conflict. It’s usually based in some truth, as it was in Yugoslavia and is in the Ukraine now when Russia uses it, but in both cases it’s a cover for hard realpolitik.

Regardless, the attack on Yugoslavia was incontrovertibly illegal as is the attack on the Ukaine, but those laws were rendered de facto inoperative by repeated US/UK breaches of them without even a pretence of enforcement or punishment of the perpetrators. .

David Beaton
David Beaton
4 years ago
Reply to  James Kreis

Most of them denied it a the time – if they were even born then.

Stephensceptic
Stephensceptic
4 years ago

The image that Time created is just plain wrong.

Anyone who has studied Hitler can see that Putin is not that. Peter The Great is his great inspiration, not Hitler.

Hitler wanted to commit genocide over other races. Putin presides over a multi ethnic state and even restrains Russian ethnic nationalism at times to help keep it together. His original speech pre the invasion called on Ukrainians as brothers in the Great Patriotic War. These are not the behaviours of /Hitler.

Western media is unhinged, manipulated by the evil US and UK governments.

Finding a diplomatic answer to stop the war and the killing ought to be the goal of our awful government: instead they are using this as an excuse to up the ante on Russia. That ought to tell people that their motives are not pure and that we are being played.

Ross Hendry
4 years ago
Reply to  Stephensceptic

I can’t decide whether our UK government is consciously evil or just plain stupid. It’s clear that politics has always attracted too many of the wrong sort: proud, immoral, arrogant and inexperieced types who are usually quick to line their own pockets. For some reason this tendency has got worse in recent years.

Candidates should have to undergo strict recruitment procedures before being allowed to stand as MPs, as would be normal in commerce or industry. The electorate cannot be expected to sort the wheat from the chaff just on the basis of the aspirant’s own campaigning: their vote can come later.

TheyLiveAndWeLockdown
4 years ago
Reply to  Ross Hendry

why use or when AND applies?

Rowan
Rowan
4 years ago

So bloody true.

harrystillgood
harrystillgood
4 years ago
Reply to  Ross Hendry

On government and wisdom – When the people have become corrupt, the worst will rise to the top.

Not necessarily the most violent. But perhaps the most ignorant and selfish, more likely. This is Boris et al.

Evidence? notice how the narrative is always prefixed with the notion of saving the planet or similar. What bigger ego trip could there be for a leader than that “I am here to save you”. And how nice must that feel for them. Far nicer than the $sums of oligarchy.

But to gain that high seat requires the people who select that leader feel broadly the same way – the collective unconscious and its dark shadow keenly at work.

David Beaton
David Beaton
4 years ago
Reply to  Ross Hendry

“Corrupt” covers it.

Bella Donna
4 years ago
Reply to  Stephensceptic

Exactly my opinion – however the USA never does its research or understands the peoples’ mindset before they go barging into these countries with their guns blazing – they focus solely on what assets they can get their hands on – with America its all about making money!

JayBee
4 years ago
Reply to  Stephensceptic

The MIC and the OGM complexes got what they wanted via the Straussians.
It is EXACTLY going to plan for those three.
What they didn’t plan for and expect is that Russia teamed up with China, the BRICS, South Anerica and Africa not playing along, lowly indebted and pretty sanction proof Russia not being much impacted by their sanctions, the sanctions having such an immediate devastating effect on their own electorates, the sanctions and the stupid, counterproductive and criminal expropriation drives leading to irrevocable and proliferating dedollarization and a viable competitive financial system in those and ever more countries.
You ain’t seen nothing with regard to the latters impact yet.

adamino
4 years ago
Reply to  Stephensceptic

This is nothing but a proxy war.
Legacy media is a mouthpiece for government and government has an agenda in all things (climate, digital IDs, and dare I say it, probably even depopulation).
Check out Gilbert Doctorow’s great historical outline of the Russo-Ukrainian war:

https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/ep-2074-russia-ukraine-and-nato/id716825890?i=1000552533666

David Beaton
David Beaton
4 years ago
Reply to  Stephensceptic

Hilary Clinton said that “Putin ” was “Hitler” in 2016 the stupid and devious woman thankfully lost the election very badly to a pragmatist. and deal maker.

Problem was she plotted her ‘revenge’ from that day on!

DevonBlueBoy
DevonBlueBoy
4 years ago
Reply to  Stephensceptic

Calm down dear, the Time cover is a mocked up picture – as it clearly states at the end of the post. Irrespective of these “neo-Nazi” activities; does anything really justify Putin’s attacks on a sovereign nation and his barbaric slaughtering of civilians?

loopDloop
loopDloop
4 years ago

Excellent analysis. Pure War, that is the invisible war in which humanity is pitted against technology, the monster, manifests in different faces as it reveals itself. COVID was the eruption of Pure War into the 2020s, now seamlessly transitioned into Ukraine. The underlying archetype is unchanging: call it the Coming of the Borg. The West has emasculated and infantilised itself, and created its image of the enemy as the carbon dioxide molecule and the pronoun. Meanwhile, we are about to be swallowed by a tidal wave of AI. Pure War is the war of all against all, the Scapegoat war, the War of World Peace. It is the end of logistics, the end of the vector of speed, the end of the accident. 2022. Buckle up.

chris-ds
chris-ds
4 years ago
Reply to  loopDloop

I think another layer of foil on that hat is needed.

Rowan
Rowan
4 years ago
Reply to  chris-ds

I think you may need to check in with reality. Where have you been?

Rogerborg
4 years ago
Reply to  loopDloop

I find your anti-Borg bigotry… futile.

karenovirus
4 years ago
Reply to  loopDloop

The aim of Islam is World Peace, once they have Borged the entire world to their will.

artfelix
4 years ago

Serbia feels upset that you all forgot them so quickly

Rogerborg
4 years ago
Reply to  artfelix

Indeed, and all of the “stop the WAAAAGH” types screeching about how someone has to do something, where were they two weeks ago demanding the military liberation of the Crimea?

Cecil B
Cecil B
4 years ago
Reply to  Rogerborg

Or Canada

David Beaton
David Beaton
4 years ago
Reply to  Rogerborg

So when is Johnson going to do something about the total mess he hs made with our own people in Northern Ireland who he has handed over to the EU and cut adrift from the UK?

So, wrecking our own country while meddling in Russia – it is simply beyond belief what a total disaster this entire Government really is – and Kneeler Starmer would be ten times worse!

David Beaton
David Beaton
4 years ago
Reply to  artfelix

Astra Zeneca hasn’t forgotten ‘useful’ Serbia !

Serbia is the chosen location for their next Big Pharma investment ‘experimentation’ Who was it said these globalists were a “Union Jack “company?

Serbs were out on the streets of Belgrade supporting Russia!

But surely their Government leans towards the EU…. with equivocation…..watch this space!

Arfur Mo
Arfur Mo
4 years ago
Reply to  David Beaton

Serbia is a land-locked country surrounded by vassal NATO states of various degrees of hostility. Realpolitic suggests prudence for the time being, otherwise access to the rest of the world could become problematic.

Beowa
4 years ago

I love academics who whitter on without looking at facts, no mention of the cause of Putin’s invasion and no analysis of why
Both the Daily Sceptic and Soiked appear to have gone mainstream on this one

George L
4 years ago
Reply to  Beowa

The Daily Sceptic is sceptical of just the things it wants to be sceptical of.. nothing more..

harrystillgood
harrystillgood
4 years ago
Reply to  George L

We all ‘fall’ in the end, no matter how far we have already travelled over the frontier.

RTSC
RTSC
4 years ago

Dr Alexander states that British politicians aren’t stupid, when their actions to impose Net Zero and make us energy dependent and outsource manufacturing to dictatorships like China and Russia seem to be spectacularly stupid.

But he may be right, perhaps they aren’t stupid. In which case they are EVIL and traitors to the British people.

harrystillgood
harrystillgood
4 years ago
Reply to  RTSC

I support the Russians in this. Largely because I no longer see our democratic governments as legitimate.

David Beaton
David Beaton
4 years ago
Reply to  harrystillgood

Who was it so loftily told us: “We live in a post democratic age” (only Blair’s Dark “Consigliere ‘Lord” Peter Mandelson).

harrystillgood
harrystillgood
4 years ago
Reply to  David Beaton

The Founding Fathers pointed out the post democratic age too. You can see the ignorance in America by their belief that the constitution is there to uphold democracy, rather than protect the republic and minority groups from Power.

Rogerborg
4 years ago

Our Collective approves of being told what group we belong to, and therefore what we “should” think about any given issue.

We would hate to have ideas of our own, like some autonomous individual.

Dave Angel Eco Warrior
Dave Angel Eco Warrior
4 years ago
Reply to  Rogerborg

Yes, that bit jumped out at me as well.

Amtrup
4 years ago

Me too! It’s an oxymoron I think, inherently contradictory, “what sceptics should think about x or y or z “.

harrystillgood
harrystillgood
4 years ago
Reply to  Rogerborg

You mean we are to all intents: slaves?

Rogerborg
4 years ago
Reply to  harrystillgood

I think the preferred term in the New Normal is non-autonomous pod-dwelling toil-units.

David Beaton
David Beaton
4 years ago
Reply to  harrystillgood

Good training for the ‘Great Reset’ – ( for those who survive the ‘cull’ that is).

Bolloxed Britannia
Bolloxed Britannia
4 years ago

A thought provoking piece? What’s the war in Ukraine all about? There is a section of opinion that say’s it’s a creation of the all powerful malignant global technocracy, a war provoked too take our attention away from the main event, the death’s of millions due to the “vaccines” the collapse of FIAT and the introduction of CBDC/Bio security and the imminent digital enslavement of the 99%…. problem reaction solution 🤔 Is Convid now yesterday’s news, despite mounting evidence of a biological disaster? Notice how quickly the establishment pivot’s away from the “new plague” to “the new Czar” and his need for a new “Imperial Russia”🤔 Or is the war simply about US exceptionalism and EU fascism and expansion? (After all, the EU was a creation of Nazi’s and US geo politics after the end of WW2)… 1990, the US/NATO promise Russia “no encroachment on former Warsaw pact countries”…The CIA “orange revolution” The CIA “maidan revolution” Non implementation of the “Minsk agreements” Thirteen year’s of Ukrainian army incursions into the Donbas, the constant shelling of it’s population and myriad alleged atrocities committed by the Neo Nazi Asov battalions! Is that what the war is really about? Why now?? And why… Read more »

JayBee
4 years ago

I am coming around to the ‘all empires need to expand, otherwise they collapse’ theory.
The Western world’s finances are so rotten and its structural problems so great, that it needs to expand (regime change is the word they use for that….).
And it does so by provocation.

George L
4 years ago
Reply to  JayBee

The West has had its eye on Russia’s treasures for a very long time.. Bolshevik Revolution.. supported by both Wall Street and the City of London..

Amtrup
4 years ago
Reply to  JayBee

Yes, money is at heart/fundamentally a pyramid scheme; all societies using it have to expand or go bust, slowly or quickly depending on how they organise their pyramid.

David Beaton
David Beaton
4 years ago

Alex Thomson is a brilliant breath of fresh air – we used to have people like him advising Governments now we have Carrie Symonds-Johnson ( BA, Theatre Studies) and her ” Prosecco Entourage”!

Reminder: Wasn’t it “the worlds’ a scary place”, Bent Banana Milliband D, ( now a Soros operative) who “wokefied” ignored and ruined the Foreign Office professionals and sold off the priceless Library?

I doubt if the “FO Old Guard” would have told the “Foreign Secretary” that Rostov on Don was in the Ukraine and that British subjects should go over and stir-up a full on Civil War )

Snaigee
Snaigee
4 years ago

This sort of thing reminds me of that scene at the end of ‘The Holy Grail’ where the A J P Taylor character is giving an ivory tower lecture on warfare and promptly gets his head chopped off by one of the marauding knights!
One way of looking at the Ukraine conflict is as simply a religious war. Putin is a devout member of the Russian Orthodox Church which is deeply associated with Ukraine. Putin is maybe on a Messianic mission to defend the purity of his faith against the corrupting hedonistic influence of the west. This would also explain his interventions in Chechnya and Syria – against the corrupting influence of Islam.
Religious fanaticism justifies anything: trying to explain the irrational by the use of reason is itself irrational!
 

David Beaton
David Beaton
4 years ago
Reply to  Snaigee

“One way” but then in the end “religion follows the sword!”

timsk
4 years ago

” . . . Dr. Alexander tries to pinpoint what’s so strange about the war in Ukraine and what sceptics should think about it.”

Hi Toby,
Call me a pedant if you like, but I don’t want to be told what I should think by anyone about anything. I want exposure to the main arguments and viewpoints in order that I can then make up my own mind.
A little detail, I know; but it’s an important one, I think. 😉

harrystillgood
harrystillgood
4 years ago
Reply to  timsk

It seems Mr Young is struggling with this one quite intensely. Not sure though as he only reveals himself on London Calling.

David Beaton
David Beaton
4 years ago
Reply to  timsk

To achieve this you need the RT version – denied by the UK censors.

Say no more!

Londo Mollari
4 years ago

Yes, this is an old fashioned war. Anyone looking through Mailonline might be struck with the parallel between that organ and notorious anti-Semitic German publications like Die Sturmer.

realarthurdent
4 years ago

I’m not sure I like this emphasis on “what sceptics should think” about things. Surely the whole point of being a sceptic is we make our own mind and don’t rely on someone in the media to tell us what we should think?

Mark
4 years ago
Reply to  realarthurdent

Well, I suppose in fairness to Toby, the main thing is that we are likely to be sceptical about any such attempts to tell us how we should think about an issue…

Cecil B
Cecil B
4 years ago

BBC News Website

‘However, a number of new laws have made it harder to protest in Russia in recent years, rights groups say.
“Although Russian legislation avoids explicitly using terms like ‘permit’ or ‘ban’… it effectively requires organisers to seek authorisation for their assemblies,” Amnesty International says.

Not as bad as the UK then

TheyLiveAndWeLockdown
4 years ago
Reply to  Cecil B

oh unless you’re doing a globalist “protest” using rent-a-crowd members for your astroturfing (faking grass roots) when the police do not seem to enforce the law and will be told to kneel etc..

RW
RW
4 years ago
Reply to  Cecil B

That’s identical to the situation in Germany even pre-COVID: The effected authorities have to be notified about all planned public demonstrations and they may prohibit them for a variety of reasons. This has greatly expanded since COVID. The bottom-line is that anything the established authorities don’t like will be prohibited on public health grounds. Things they do like, eg BLM and CSD, can go ahead.

Ruth Learner
Ruth Learner
4 years ago

in other words the entrenched hypocrisy of the west is set against the entrenched literalism of the east – Both entrenched in a Global strategy borne out of elites/City of London/ Manhattan to maintain opposing super industrial geo political spheres of influence but at all costs not to encourage neutral independent states – why NATO /US destroyed Ukraine in 2014 in a coup creating an ongoing civil war and why Russia has had enough. Thanks for the lesson on being a sceptic.

karenovirus
4 years ago

From Putins point of view and that of many Russians expansion into Ukrain is less of an imperialist or colonialism enterprise than the American takeover of their current territory 1/2-2 centuries earlier which, bar Britain, few objected to at the time.

Ukrain is a territory 70% occupied by people from whom Russians are descended, the remaining 30% being overspills from neighbouring populations. It was only geographically defined as a Province by Tsariat Russia for administrative convenience.

They speak language that is, at most, a dialect of Russian with a sprinkling of different spellings introduced by 19th ‘Liberal Interectials’ trying to imply otherwise.

There are no distinct ‘Ukrainians’.

This does not excuse Putins war of conquest any more than a USA attempt to assimilate her own “motherland “: Greater Britain, ie. England, Scotland, Wales and the whole of Ireland.

Mark
4 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

This does not excuse Putins war of conquest

It’s not a war of conquest, it’s a defensive war.

Whether it ultimately results in conquest remains to be seen. The Russians claim, and with strong credibility given the context, that its a war to remove enemy influence and threat, and to remove from power the aggressive Russia-hating elements that have been waging war on the Russian-speaking population.

A neutral and disarmed Ukraine with protections for minority languages – essentially the Minsk solutions that were agreed, but ignored and treated with contempt by the nationalists – is nothing to object to and would not constitute “conquest”.

Proveritate
4 years ago
Reply to  Mark

It’s not a war of conquest, it’s a defensive war. Well, that’s a matter of opinion at this stage, unless you’ve got the inside track to Putin’s mind. In twenty years’ time we will probably know one way or the other. A neutral and disarmed Ukraine Unfortunately, neutered, disarmed countries encourage the rise of demagogues who stir up the populace to resent such terms; as did Hitler. Every country needs arms to be able to defend itself: defending the population is the most basic role of government. The alternative is guarantees by the ‘great powers’, which is what Belgium had at its creation as a new country by the Treaty of London. Germany was a guarantor, but broke the treaty and invaded. We honoured it and got dragged into the Great War. The Budapest Memorandum operates at a lower level than an international treaty, and was supposed to give Ukraine guarantees of territorial integrity in exchange for giving up its nuclear arsenal. Russia is one of the signatories. Not much has been said about this memorandum. While it does not put the signatories under obligation to join a war against an invader, it gives justification for them to do so.… Read more »

Mark
4 years ago
Reply to  Proveritate

“Well, that’s a matter of opinion at this stage, unless you’ve got the inside track to Putin’s mind. In twenty years’ time we will probably know one way or the other.” A matter of opinion by definition, as are any that run counter, but it’s clear that reality fits much better with that assessment. Those claiming conquest generally have to rely on self-evidently absurd propagandist nonsense about Putin as Hitler. “Unfortunately, neutered, disarmed countries encourage the rise of demagogues who stir up the populace to resent such terms; as did Hitler.“ But that didn’t happen in Finland, a much better parallel. Of course, it’s going to be much harder to make it work now that the US has stirred up so much hatred in the Ukraine pursuant to its policy of trying to push NATO membership into the country. But we have to begin from where we are. “The Budapest Memorandum“ Rather comical for apologists for US policy to try to pretend that any agreements have any force as pretexts for their actions, given their shameless disregard for their own commitments under the UN Treaty not to wage unilateral wars of choice, and especially in the Ukraine given their similarly… Read more »

Proveritate
4 years ago
Reply to  Mark

I hope you are not suggesting that I am an apologist for US policy. I am not. Anyone who knows me knows that I have been a great critic, including of its meddling in Ukraine. The point about the Budapest Memorandum was (I believe) just factual stuff. As for Finland, having worked for a company in Finland for 7 years I think I understand the situation pretty well. Until 1992 Finland had to walk a very difficult line to avoid upsetting the Russians, while wanting to look west as well. Although it was ‘neutral’ politically, it wasn’t disarmed: it still needed a strong military to defend the country long enough for refugees to migrate west or east (into Russia) depending on where the threat came from in the Cold War. The Soviets treated Finland like the Allied powers treated Germany after the Great War, and it actually supports my point. Few people know that Finland was paying reparations to the Soviet Union since the Second World War until the USSR collapsed. Moreover, the USSR kept a naval base in Finland until 1956. Russia also carved off land from Finland, taking its access to the White Sea, and parts of Karelia… Read more »

Mark
4 years ago
Reply to  Proveritate

The point about Finland is that it counters your false parallel with post-WW1 Germany. There’s no reason to suppose a Finland solution couldn’t work fine for the Ukraine, and it’s what should have been agreed uncontroversially between the US and Russia in the 1990s.

All the worst problems there stem from the US dangling the prospect of NATO membership in front of the worst elements amongst that country’s nationalists. (I have no aversion to nationalists per se – though I view faux-nationalists who actually want EU membership as the liars they are), and actively intervening in the politics and economy of the Ukraine to push that policy.

Re Bucharest, it’s an irrelevance. At most a reminder (which should not be needed for grownups) that the realists are correct (as usual) in viewing hard facts as what matte, not words. There’s inevitably a suspicion when it is raised that it is intended as some pretext for criticising the Russians and thereby making excuses for US sphere confrontation of Russia.

Proveritate
4 years ago
Reply to  Mark

There’s no reason to suppose a Finland solution couldn’t work fine for the Ukraine What’s a ‘Finland solution’? As I mentioned, that ‘solution’, where Finland was ‘neutral’ because it was scared about upsetting the East or the West is hardly a good situation to be in, caught in the middle in a cold war. And this ‘Finland solution’ has Finland paying war reparations to the Soviet Union (including 525 locomotives and 619 ships), and had land taken off it (leading to 100,000 refugees), though it was first invaded by the USSR in 1939. And it has the Soviets running a naval base in Finland. It’s not a false parallel with Germany after the Great War. It is widely recognized that the reparations exacted from Germany and the restrictions placed upon it by the Treaty of Versailles, and the humiliation of being demilitarized, and the loss of culturally important cities, were factors in public support for the rise of the Nazi demagogue. If you speak to Finns who lived through the Second World War and its aftermath with the so-called ‘Finland solution’ you’ll find that this was no solution that was desirable. Your ‘Finland solution’ seems like more or a solution… Read more »

Mark
4 years ago
Reply to  Proveritate

Plenty of Finns were happy with it, as wisdom suggests when you are emerging having been on the losing side of a world war right next door to the victors, and it’s hardly significant that many now claim they would prefer to have been on the other side. That wasn’t an option, the alternative was what the Ukraine is getting now, only at the hands of an ideologically distinct superpower, and might suffer for decades to come if the US sphere keeps sustaining the nationalist ultras.

Your refusal to consider anything but the maximal objectives of the nationalists strikes me as obtuse. In the real world, peoples have routinely bowed to reality and gotten on with their lives. This is not a situation in which there is a meaningful ideological difference, except perhaps in the woke ideology of the US sphere that Ukrainians I believe rather naively think they will be able to ignore.

Proveritate
4 years ago
Reply to  Mark

Your refusal to consider anything but the maximal objectives of the nationalists strikes me as obtuse.

I haven’t said anything about any maximal objectives of nationalists. What objectives? Which nationalists? You are just making this up as a faux riposte, like your others. Responding like that makes you appear like a bot.

Plenty of Finns were happy with it

How many have you spoken to? How many do you know and have worked with? How many do you know who lived through the Second World War? Have you ever visited Finland and Russia and discussed it with both sides (I have, by the way).

Mark
4 years ago
Reply to  Proveritate

“I haven’t said anything about any maximal objectives of nationalists. What objectives? Which nationalists? You are just making this up as a faux riposte, like your others. Responding like that makes you appear like a bot.”

That’s only a superficially fair criticism. What you did was merely to reject the only alternative under discussion to the maximal objectives of the nationalist ultras (full national independence resulting in NATO membership).

A distinction without much difference.

I haven’t spoken to any Finns who were around in the early post-WW2 years, but I’m aware as a historical fact that Finnish Cold War neutrality was not a policy imposed upon them by direct force, but one which arose in their reasonably democratic system as a sensible response to the situation in which they found themselves.

As I noted, there’s absolutely no honest reason to suppose it could not work for the Ukraine, and indeed election results appear to suggest it would be the preferred solution if it were available, since candidates wanting compromise have to be intimidated by nationalist militias and oligarchs to prevent them moving in the direction of such reasonable compromise.

leek
4 years ago
Reply to  Mark

Defensive war…you are really saying this?

What is Putin defending against, that justifies the invasion of another country?
What was the substantial and imminent threat mechanism, that necessitated all the killing?

The excuses you present do not justify your obvious support for this murderous campaign against Ukraine.

Same goes for the 22 people who approve of your message.

Mark
4 years ago
Reply to  leek

Defensive war…you are really saying this?
What is Putin defending against, that justifies the invasion of another country?

You’ve had the situation explained to you more than enough times here, that it’s clear you aren’t interested in facts, just in your emotive “Russian war bad” mantra.

Either stop pretending to be asking questions, or go check yourself in for an international relations course under Prof Mearsheimer and actually listen for a change.

Proveritate
4 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

They speak language that is, at most, a dialect of Russian with a sprinkling of different spellings introduced by 19th ‘Liberal Interectials’ trying to imply otherwise. That’s pejorative, and a very Russian imperialistic view, held in the nineteenth century, that Ukrainian was ‘Little Russian’ as opposed to ‘Great Russian’, i.e. Russian. It makes for good propaganda, but it would be pretty offensive to a Ukrainian speaker. But more to the point, it is simply not true. It used to be thought that Russian and Ukrainian simply diverged from a common language (Old East Slavic) around a thousand years ago, but that’s far too simplistic a view. To say that Ukrainian is a mere dialect of Russian is as daft as saying that modern English is a dialect of German (or French). Whilst it has influences from Saxon and Norman French it is not a dialect of either of them or their modern equivalents. Just because Russian and Ukrainian are categorized as Eastern Slavonic does not mean that Ukrainian is a dialect of Russian any more than Russian is a dialect of Ukrainian. By stretching the word ‘dialect’ to its maximum extent, you might say that Russian and Ukrainian are dialects… Read more »

Rogerborg
4 years ago
Reply to  Proveritate

Ah ken whit ye mean.

nickbowes
nickbowes
4 years ago

Those heroes of freedom Boris johnson, trudeau and the Dutch idiot Rutte are combining their efforts to deter the dreadful Russian dictator and fight for democracy and freedom. All they need is Macron on board. Will sleep well tonight then…

Mr10Percent
4 years ago

This is a 2-pronged war. RU forces to take out/establish control of toxic materials in the UKr. i.e. Bioweapons, fissile material and eliminate bad actors controlling UKr. i.e Protect RU from counter attack (Azov et al). It is in RU’s interest not to make the UKr an American-style failed state after hostilities (Libya, Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria to name a few) Financial war. RU has seen an opportunity to accelerate the financial “great reset” as so that the western TPTB are still not ready for their heinous plans following Operation Covid to implement Operation Digital ID and Operation Digital Currency. Sanctions will hurt the West more than RU and will ultimately force the West to pay for gas (survival) in either Roubles or in gold. Either way, BRICS++ CBs will drop the dollar like a stone and the whole rotten edifice will collapse under the weigh of its non-recyclable debt. All this Western bravado by Johnson et al is a paper tiger. We cannot afford to counter-prosecute a conflict with toilet roll, LBGT-enviro friendly Armed forces and Net-Zero Battle Tanks. TPTB have solely caused our downfall (and theirs) with arrogance and un-founded righteousness and the media embargo of the other sides… Read more »

JaneDoeNL
JaneDoeNL
4 years ago

With all respect to the prof., he doesn’t seem to have pinpointed very much of anything. All of these wars, be they ‘old-fashioned’ armed combat, boots on the ground war, colonial wars (which still involved armed combat and boots on the ground) or metaphorical wars (which seem to be a matter of non-armed combat on a given country’s own citizens rather than anything else) are all about plain old-fashioned power and greed. Politicians and their powerful, rich buddies and corporations, banks, wage wars to make money and gain power. The war on corona and the war on climate change have made a handful of people very, very, very rich. The devastation they have caused and will cause may not be as direct and in your face as conflict like in the Ukraine, but it will exist nevertheless. What is strange about this war is how it seems to have been a long time in the making on the part of the West, with the seamless switch of propaganda from covid to Russia being quite extraordinary. What is strange is how countries who have spent decades saying how large wars must be avoided at all cost, now seem to be bending… Read more »

crisisgarden
4 years ago
Reply to  JaneDoeNL

Yes the total and immediate switch from one crisis to the next is very telling. I still suspect that the backdrop is economic/monetary collapse in the West and from this perspective, the war achieves the same thing as covid:

  • An excuse to print money
  • An excuse for authoritarianism and control
  • An external enemy to blame

In the rear-view mirror, the covid exercise is looking more and more to me like a war measure, intended to introduce at least the idea of strict control to a population about to experience a profound shock. Not to mention an infrastructure for the digital solution and an experiment to see how much of the population can be controlled without questioning. Eek.

JaneDoeNL
JaneDoeNL
4 years ago
Reply to  crisisgarden

I have to say, I have been getting that same feeling myself. It’s clear the government can get away with a lot. Even now the damage of the vaxxes is coming out, other than those actually suffering, everyone else seems to be letting it go, happy that life is back to normal (at least, it is here in NL). The fact that the vaxx was a clear waste of time, harmed people and led to a gross violation of civil rights simply doesn’t register for most people. Now lots of people saying we should send war planes and weapons, maybe even soldiers. We should welcome refugees – something people here have not stopped complaining about since 2015 and Merkel’s open invitation to the world. Ukraine, Georgia, Moldova to join the EU asap, even though certainly in NL there is no desire for even more EU members. The power of a full-on propaganda onslaught, grossly fascinating and frightening in equal measures. I’ve noticed how expressions used by a particular group (e.g., us sceptics) get quickly co-opted and given the opposite meaning. A ‘Karen’ used to mean the type of nosy parker who had to run at the speed of light from… Read more »

TheyLiveAndWeLockdown
4 years ago
Reply to  JaneDoeNL

Just want to say that VAT is a 20% tariff on internal trade within the EUSSR area.
So these claims of “free trade” are nonsense..

DanClarke
DanClarke
4 years ago

We are being herded, westerners must have the ‘collective’ view, if not, cancelled. All beliefs must be Mainstream to continue with their plans.

Aletheia of Oceania
Aletheia of Oceania
4 years ago
Reply to  DanClarke

I agree.

This conflict appears to be about normalising cancel culture and economic sanctioning powers, feeding the MSM with ‘non-covid’ 24/7 material, strengthening the EU’s defence force aims, and further costly disruption to global energy prices.

It also advances the divisive pluristic narrative.

There is a great deal more to this, lurking in the background and ignored by the MSM, than ‘Russia bad, Ukraine good.’

Bella Donna
4 years ago
Reply to  DanClarke

Its all part of the Mass Formation Psychosis – if you are not part of it then you will be ostracised and cancelled.

Mark
4 years ago

“Events in 2020 disabused us of any fond views we had of the Chinese state, and now events in 2022 are disabusing us of any fond views we had of the Russian state“ Nope. On the contrary, both should have disabused us of any fond views we had of our own regimes, our elites and their abuse of our own culture and history, and their dishonest manipulation of us. If we are determined to fetishise war as an ultimate evil that taints the cause that uses it irretrievably, then we should recognise the terminal harm that our own leaders did by removing any possibility of the “rules based global order” epitomised by the UN Treaty finally coming into its own after the fall of the Soviet Union. The decision to retain NATO after the disappearance of its supposed raison d’etre was the first warning that this was not to be allowed, but the crimes that did the dirty work were the illegal wars in Yugoslavia, Iraq, Libya and Syria. The criminals were Blair, Clinton, Bush, Cameron, Obama. By 2022 any fantasy of a “rules based global order” in which unilateral war was forbidden was long gone. I’d recommend a stiff… Read more »

crisisgarden
4 years ago
Reply to  Mark

Exactly – I was disabused of fondness for western imperialism 20 years ago and arrived in the current Era of Crises with this as a foundational principle.

Amtrup
4 years ago
Reply to  Mark

This 100% ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

kate
kate
4 years ago

Morning everyone!
I posted this yesterday but am putting it up again today.
It is a Pennsylvania state enquiry taking evidence from McCullough, Steve Kirsch, Bryan Ardis and Thomas Renz.
The doctors are more outspoken than I have ever heard them.
Steve Kirsch gives a blistering denunciation of US government policy which he calls a deliberate cover up of killings. He is rather verbose, but also very brave in his denunciations
Bryan Ardis makes a very clear and uncompromising case for deaths from the redemsevir policy.
Kirsch and Dr McCullough sit together and support each other, but Dr McCullough looks rather tired, I am sure the stress of fighting the legal charges against him and opposing the vax malfeasance is getting to him https://s.w.org/images/core/emoji/13.1.0/svg/1f612.svg .
Thomas Renz is not very impressive in his presentation, which struck me as rather weak, but – he is the only attorney brave enough to take this case on. Where are all the others?
https://senatormastriano.com/2022/03/01/expert-panel-discussion-on-covid-19-and-medical-freedom/
This is a must watch, even though the evidence is not really new. What is new is the uncompromising nature of the arguments against government policy.
This is as dramatic as a film. Heroes.

kate
kate
4 years ago
Reply to  kate

I suppose what is revealed is the massive and unprecedented and criminal corruption at all levels of the US government.
This is what the doctors/Kirsch are challenging, and they are not afraid to say so.
(This also puts the Ukraine psyop into perspective, as another criminal operation and a sickening lie. The US led western bloc has reached new levels of criminality.)

amanuensis
4 years ago

Hmm. From the point of view of the USA it is still is a COLONIAL WAR (I thought I’d join in with the shouting) — Ukraine is just some place far away; I’d bet that before 2022 only a fraction of Americans could have placed it on a map (not too many Brits, ether).

JaneDoeNL
JaneDoeNL
4 years ago
Reply to  amanuensis

Reminds me of Reagan’s “limited nuclear war in Europe”.

Having said that, I think people on the Western edge of Europe think it’s far away. The Yugoslav conflict didn’t spill over this way; I don’t think enough people see the potential of where this could go. Countries like NL and Germany are so used to US/UK troops doing the heavy lifting, if conscription were re-introduced and troops actually sent eastwards I think there would be an incredibly swift and sharp change in sentiment towards Ukraine.

amanuensis
4 years ago

There’s an old adage that wars return once everyone that remembers the horrors of war have died…

I’m wondering how that applies to METAPHORICAL WARS? As far as I can tell, it is the opposite — once you start having METAPHORICAL WARS you need to keep having them lest people start getting too happy (or something). It appears to be the job of government to keep on inventing new METAPHORICAL WARS to keep the pressure up, or, even better, keep two or three on the go at the same time, just to make absolutely sure that there’s never a period without a METAPHORICAL WAR.

Hmm. I blame government up there — perhaps it is all of our faults? Is it part of human nature to always have a nebulous baddie just to keep us on our toes — this year it is the shadow of Covid, Russia and climate change; 1000 years ago it was Satan.

TheyLiveAndWeLockdown
4 years ago
Reply to  amanuensis

or an external baddies to distract you from the internal bad guy robbing you…

harrystillgood
harrystillgood
4 years ago
Reply to  amanuensis

Agreed.

Similarly for recessions (real ones not the marker and govt labelled ones). The time frame for loss of memory is about 18 years. Long enough for us to forget that if you make loans to millions of householders, which depreciate at the rate of inflation, eventually the system will collapse, inevitably, its laws of physics stuff. And the next recession doesn’t hit us when these laws exceed a threshold of sustainability per se. But when the collective finally accepts that “yes, it’s a bubble”.

Watch for sometime in 2026 for the next business cycle to commence.

Bella Donna
4 years ago

The real ‘baddies’ in this are the West! That is where the blame lies and until the West stops interfering in foreign countries without understanding their history are current affairs we will continue to be dragged into every miserable war the US can dream up!

FrankFisher
4 years ago

Once again, any claimed analysis of the current conflict that does not include discussion of the Euromaiden protests and massacre, AT ALL, is pointless at best and propaganda at worst.

The West made today’s Ukraine: Obama’s CIA, Soros money, EU wishful thinking. It’s not hard to find mainstream media acknowledgement of such a few years ago – Seamus Milne in the Guardian for example. But today…. they have all forgotten. All the media know why we are here. None will say.

Aletheia of Oceania
Aletheia of Oceania
4 years ago
Reply to  FrankFisher

Much meddling and influence going on behind the scenes…

https://www.ukcolumn.org/article/bbc-media-action-subversion-broadcasting-house-kazakhstan

Fireweasel
Fireweasel
4 years ago

Dr. Alexander: “Let us call the three types of war I have described, Imperial war, Colonial war and Metaphorical war.” It’s easy to understand imperial war and colonial war. No matter where you are on the spectrum from king down to peasant, both offer the reward of territory and treasure. And an added bonus for the king is that the peasant’s focus outwardly at the foreign enemy, rather than inwardly at his domestic antics. But metaphorical war? This is the king actually asking and coercing his peasants to wage war on themselves. There’s no treasure in it for the peasants and only temporary gain for the king, if he wants to pass his crown on to a son there will be no realm for the son to rule. The hardest of all to understand battles that are being fought in this metaphorical war are the ones of cancel culture. But yet the peasants are waging these battles upon each other with gusto. The peasants are now so confused that they believe they can use cancel culture strategies in the imperial war in Ukraine to defeat the aggressor. Supermarkets in the UK removing Russian made goods being the latest example in… Read more »

Mark
4 years ago

2019: President Trump futilely howling into the mainstream media gale about the shamelessly open and truly colossal corruption of the US Democrats and their direct corrupt connection to the Ukraine (and to China).

That was when the Us regime was still pretending that Zelensky – a tool of a Ukrainian oligarch who posed as a compromise anti-corruption figure aiming for compromise with Russia to win election, might do some good there. In the end he instead showed his true colours, kowtowing to the nationalist ultras and to his oligarch boss.

Looking here more like the weasel he is, rather than the comedy heroic figure now painted by the US sphere media.

Trump Tells Whole World The Truth About Ukraine In Front Of President Zelensky!!!

TheyLiveAndWeLockdown
4 years ago
Reply to  Mark

https://dailyexpose.uk/2022/03/04/rise-of-zelensky-from-comedian-to-president/ Pandora PapersUkrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky rode to power on pledges to clean up the Eastern European country, but the Pandora Papers reveal he and his close circle were the beneficiaries of a network of offshore companies, including some that owned expensive London property, The Pandora Papers website states. “In the heat of the campaign, a political ally of President Poroshenko published a chart purporting that Zelensky and his television production partners were beneficiaries of a web of offshore firms that allegedly received $41 million in funds from Kolomoisky’s Privatbank.” “Zelensky has repeatedly pledged to rein in oligarchs. The day after the attack on Shefir, the country’s parliament passed a bill that would create a register of oligarchs and bar them from financing political parties or taking part in privatisations.” Why would they set up offshore bank accounts at the same time that Kolomoisky was simply setting up an allegedly benign TV production deal with Kvartal? Unless the entire point of the show was to astroturf Zelensky into the *real* presidency all along…? Pandora Papers Reveal Offshore Holdings of Ukrainian President and his Inner Circle It’s pretty obvious that Zelensky is his puppet, and more disturbingly, his “role” in Servant of The… Read more »

PhantomOfLiberty
PhantomOfLiberty
4 years ago

The problem that we have is that for more than two decades every major authority on geopolitics, including George Kennan and Henry Kissinger, warned that the “West” should not meddle in Ukraine so what did the “West” (in the shape of NATO, the CIA etc) do, it meddled in Ukraine – and one thing is clear if we now have a problem it was created by malice and an attempt destabilise the peace by people of extreme wickedness who had other motives than liberating the Ukrainian people. Our governments been fishing in troubled waters, and now the same racketeering clowns who brought you the Covid fiasco are busy tying to maximise the damage created so that it impinges disastrously on ordinary people’s lives economically even if it does not explode into a wider conflagration. If it does one of the minor clowns, Sadiq Khan, has assured us that London is well prepared for a nuclear attack. This is the sick nature of modern politics.

This a useful compilation of sources on Twitter by Arnaud Bertrand – you may have to scroll up.

https://twitter.com/RnaudBertrand/status/1498491238416207874

DanClarke
DanClarke
4 years ago

There are men who think they are ‘god like’ and can amuse themselves with the planet

PhantomOfLiberty
PhantomOfLiberty
4 years ago
Reply to  DanClarke

I don’t know what they think they are – it doesn’t seem to possess much dignity.You’d shudder at moving around in their world.

DanClarke
DanClarke
4 years ago

George even laughs about it.

CynicalRealist
4 years ago

Like any city can be ‘prepared’ for a nuclear bomb which wil flatten everything for a radius of miles!