SAGE Scientist Makes the Wrong Inference on Masks
A few weeks ago, the Guardian published an article in which various ‘experts’ revealed what they got wrong during the pandemic. Anyone hoping to read ‘lockdown – I was wrong on lockdown’ will be disappointed, although Professor Allyson Pollock of Newcastle University did admit she should have spoken out against school closures.
Our old friend Neil Ferguson was humble enough to list three things he got wrong, although none of them, strangely, makes any reference to Sweden. Recall that Ferguson’s team forecast up to 90,000 deaths in Sweden without mitigation. Yet two years later, the official count stands at only 16,000.
You might assume this would have led Ferguson to revise his beliefs concerning the efficacy of lockdown. After all, his model made a clear prediction concerning, and that prediction simply failed to materialise. Alas, no. All three of his self-confessed errors concern relatively minor details of epidemiological modelling.
Another familiar name among the Guardian’s line up is Devi Sridhar – chair of global public health at the University of Edinburgh. Yet once again, her big admission suggests no real updating of beliefs on her part.
Sridhar previously advocated ‘Zero Covid’ – something that was never tenable in a large, dense, highly connected country like the U.K. But the wrongness of her ‘Zero Covid’ stance isn’t what she wants to own up to.
Instead, Sridhar feels that she overestimated how willing Britons would be to comply with Korea-style contact tracing, which involved tracking people’s movements via GPS. She presumably believes that contract tracing is what made the difference in Korea, even though Japan achieved the same outcomes by doing nothing.
But put Ferguson and Sridhar to one side. The most egregious paragraph in the article is the one under Professor Susan Michie’s name. Here’s what she had to say:
Early on, my reading was that the evidence on the effectiveness of face masks in community settings was equivocal. The emphasis on droplet transmission raised a concern that infected people may touch their face masks and then touch surfaces, thus providing a transmission route … When evidence showed that the major route for transmission was via aerosol rather than droplet, the case for masks became hugely stronger.
I don’t know about you, but I’d say Michie has it entirely backwards. If the major route for transmission was via droplets, then masking would make sense. After all, masks can actually stop droplets. What they can’t stop is tiny airborne particles, which simply go through or around them. Here’s what Fauci said in a leaked email from February of 2020:
The typical mask you buy in the drug store is not really effective in keeping out virus, which is small enough to pass through the material. It might, however, provide some slight benefit in keep out gross droplets if someone coughs or sneezes on you.
So Michie drew precisely the wrong inference. When it became clear that Covid spreads via aerosols rather than droplets, the case for masks became hugely weaker.
While getting scientists to reflect on their mistakes is a useful exercise, not all of those to whom the Guardian spoke have really grappled with what went wrong. We can debate exactly how much effect masks and lockdowns have, but it’s clearly less – a lot less – than we were led to believe. Will the ‘experts’ ever admit this?
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There are quite a few aerosols in Government, academia, the media…..
Big, fat, festering, malodorous aerosoles.
More toxic than Covid !
Full of them!
Quite apart from Michie drawing the wrong inference, she also advised that the population should continue wearing masks “for ever”. (see UCL news page to confirm their own interpretation of what one of their professors said and meant).
In November last year she was saying the same “Prof Michie said masks should be worn in settings including classrooms, restaurants and pubs. “As a rule of thumb, anywhere where you’re not allowed to smoke is where we should be using masks,” she said, adding that FFP2 masks offered better protection for individuals than “flimsy” surgical masks.”
On that last point, I do have slightly more respect for people wearing FFP2/FFP3/N95 sealed respirators than risibly useless bits of damp mouldy cloth.
I should clarify that the scale goes negative though.
I always credited those wearing the ‘risibly useless bits of damp mouldy cloth’ as being those who didn’t buy into the nonsense, but did feel the need to conform and so did the minimum. Some of them, at least.
Maybe some of them, but a lot truly believe that their damp leopard-print piece of rag or blue 10-for-£2 disposable face nappy are actually effective. Never underestimate the gullibility of a section of the public, especially when the propaganda is coming from “trusted” sources such as the BBC.
You do have to wonder about them, don’t you? These otherwise outwardly intelligent looking people who seem to actually believe that a flimsy face mask is protecting them from an airborne virus. Even doctors! ‘It has to help a little’ is the plea I often hear. One bloke in a cafe was heard saying it was a small price to pay if it keeps us alive. Did he seriously believe this? If so, did he not wonder why anyone ever dies from a viral infection if they are so easily defeated? Or wonder why masks are not treated as a bio-hazard? So many contradictions, so few questions…
I have a friend who says it’s for the safety of everyone and I’m sure she does actually believe that. She’s very keen on her vaccine passport too but then she really only got the vaccinations to go to France on holiday. I have no idea what she believes about the vaccinations as it’s an elephant in the room with us now.
Scary that people are being jabbed simply so they can go abroad on holiday. Is it really that important? What do they do with their lives the rest of the year?
They plan their holidays… Going to France twice a year is Really Important to them.
I live in NE Scotland under the Adolf Sturgeon woman and I have not worn a mask since 19th June last year and I have not been challenged although I have asked others wearing masks why they were. The answers have been as detailed in other comments and none wish to engage in any meaningful debate. I despair that the people in the UK have either been brain-washed or they are just apathetic and ignorant.
It was certainly my rationale. I live in Scotland and have always done the minimum. I only wear a mask to go shopping and on ferries before I go to the cafeteria and am ‘allowed’ to take it off if I eat or drink. Nicola likes masks so I’ll wash mine and put them away case next autumn/winter she wants to bring them back…
I have no issue with people wanting to put whatever they want across their faces. Their face, their lungs, their choice. They can all argue till kingdom come about the efficacy or otherwise of various barriers.
The real issue is when compulsion is brought into the picture. That is where the line gets drawn in the sand as far as I am concerned. It was, and still is, an outrage that the line was rubbed out with no justification and no proper debate, purely on the back of shameful political expediency reinforced by a torrent of lies and bullying.
The compulsion is my issue, too.
If people want to indulge themselves in what I have always regarded as grand-scale hypochondria – well, whatever turns you on! But they insisted that I join them. That outraged and still outrages me.
You want to live locked down? Okay, I think that’s a shame – but I’ll help get your food for you. You want to wear masks? I’ll point out as politely as I can that they don’t actually do what you think they do, but I won’t laugh in your gagged face. You want to be jabbed experimentally so that you can avoid COVID-19 of all things?! Are you sure?
I know they’re not the real villains, and I’m sorry they were so frightened. But their fear does not give them the right to insist that I share it. That outraged me, and still does.
All those people who decided that I had to be compelled to join them in their absurd practices, without a thought or concern for what that would do to my life …
Their fear does not justify their arrogance
They are villains though- anyone who just goes along with something like this without even the slightest thought or question is at least guilty of assisting the criminal. I mean, if someone tried to sell you a brand new Rolex for £500 you’d at least question where it came from, ask to see a receipt, right?
Definitely…Too many fakes of them around.
Many wouldn’t I fear, they’d just think they’d got lucky.
You are correct about the fear and arrogance. Neighbours of ours believe(d) that the non-vaxxed (like me) should be locked up. Our immediate neighbour is languishing with Long Covid and won’t allow non-family in the house. I don’t know how you get back from those positions …
I don’t think you can. My best friend of 60 years, with whom I’d shared so many life experiences, joys, tragedies, traumas, and who I thought I knew so well, ended our friendship with a very abusive e mail, calling me a ‘f***ing moron’ because I wasn’t taking the situation seriously enough and had not had ‘my vaccinations’.
That is not something we can get back from. It appears I’ve spent 60 years believing she was someone she is not.
Wow, Lorrinet, that’s an ending if ever there was one. I’m sorry for you but you didn’t do anything wrong and she may well live to regret that email as things become clearer. You can’t unsay what’s been said though and I can imagine you feel totally betrayed and bereft. I hope you have someone to talk to about it.
Covid has certainly made me reassess some people I mix with. There is someone who treated me very badly a few years back (27 to be precise) and our paths have crossed again during lockdown. I am perfectly civil to her but the deep friendship can never be resurrected although I can be in her company and be quite happy. My closest friend is someone I now view differently as a result of her views on Covid matters and a few other things I chose to ignore. She is still a friend but the Covid elephant is definitely in the room.
The Covid dust will take a while to settle for many people but it will whirl round some people for the rest of their lives.
She said that we’re supposed to wear masks in restaurants and pubs?
Hahahahaha!
Presumably, all meals will have to be put through a blender and eaten through a straw? Oh, silly me – I forgot! The virus can’t get people when they are sitting down!
I was in a restaurant just before Christmas in York and a group of Chinese students came in, all double masked. When they’re food arrived they would pull down their masks for each mouthful, then pull them back up as quickly as possible. Bonkers.
FFP2 masks will only offer additional protection if they are worn correctly, ,ie sealed and the nose band correctly formed.They are not really suitable for anybody with facial fungus beards as they create an airgap.
Finally they are horrible to wear for any extended period if they fit correctly.
Oh and dont forget they are way more expensive than face nappies and need changing regularly.
Of course the cost elements are immaterial if you are a socialist who has inherited wealth like Michie.
Most people do not realise how tiny viruses actually are. If you can breath outside air with the mask on then a virus can pass through.
And virus can reach the nasopharynx from the eyes via the tear ducts, so unless the mask zombie is also wearing skin-tight goggles it’s like locking the front door against burglars and leaving the windows wide-open.
I’m still surprised that viruses in the UK haven’t become obese, just to fit in better. Then they’d struggle to get through those paper masks.
That’s it- simples! I keep saying this, but it’s like I’m speaking Martian. I’m really losing patience with all this- surely by now it’s bloody obvious that they don’t work, yet here we are still talking about it. My wife’s mate has a daughter who’s a nurse and she’s rabidly pro-mask and demands that we obey because, you know, nurse- yet ask for explanations, proof, etc. and all you get is a ‘why won’t people listen to me’ type comment. Why would a nurse be an expert in chemistry or physics?
I taught adults who were wannabe nurses and let me assure you there was a miniscule number who’d done sufficient chemistry let alone physics to understand the science of the virus. They’d just do what they were told and in most cases question nothing.
Protection from what exactly? Bad breath?
The best way to deal with people like Michie is to strip her of all she has and make her work for a living. She’s the sort who got rid of the Grammar schools, with all the opportunities they offered the working class. I think too many of them got educated enough to enter parliament and become leaders – they forgot their place. Mustn’t do that. Just put your mask on and shut up.
Michie’s job was to use psyops – her expertise- to terrify and intimidate the populace into conformity to serve the CCP’s demands on Lockdowns and social isolation techniques – she earned her rewards.
I wonder if she has any ,more Picassos to sell for a few million ? Do you pay Capital Gains on Art sales – I bet you don’t . How many people did her CCP sponsored advice put out of work and how many businesses were destroyed by her dark influence over Johnson?
How did this anti-democrat, Castro tyranny supporting Communist ever get to run the Covid policy and be lionised by the BBC ?
Any answers Johnson?
“As a rule of thumb, anywhere where you’re not allowed to smoke is where we should be using masks” In my region the public health nannying adverts are now off the scale so much that no ad break is without one of them. The one which really makes me crease up laughing is the one advertising the new law brought in by the NI Executive to ban smoking in a car where there are children under the age of 18 inside, because second hand smoke is so harmful to their health. All delivered in heavy lecturing undertone. So, no one can smoke in a car with kids in it because it is so harmful to them but you are MORE THAN HAPPY for those same kids to wear masks in school all day and on the bus home and no one blinks so much as an eyelid at ALL the harms that does to the health of children under the age of 18. And that is before we get to the harms those kids might suffer from the jabs you want them to have to “protect” them from an illness which is unlikely to so much as trouble their perfectly… Read more »
Michie is a behavioural scientist and a self confessed longtime Communist who has no medical training and can only be on SAGE for the money and prestige. Surely we can find some sort of criminal charge to lay at her door for the all the damage that she has done with the ‘nudge’ unit.
I am waiting to see how long it will be before we will find nobody within the Government or SAGE who will admit that they backed lockdowns. Witless and Unbalanced have already started backtracking on previous statements. Bring on the Inquiry.
Noah, you have expert-itis. All top “experts” are presentationally trained and this reciprocally influences what they research, how they conduct their research, and what conclusions they make. They can all stuff any mea culpas where the Sun doesn’t shine – at least until the glorious dawn when one of them tells it how it really is, which reality being how it is would almost certainly be after a mental breakdown. (It’s tough for a person to break out of telling lies all their life and to emerge from priding themselves in playing a hierarchical role the whole f***ing time in their uniform.) Any who do tell it how it is will certainly say that the whole notion of “expert” is fit only for the dustbin.
Coincidentally, I’m some way through Dr Malcolm Kendrick’s ‘The Great Cholesterol Con’ and the main conclusion he draws repeatedly is how often ‘research’ sets out with an outcome in mind and often words the ‘Finding’ in such a way as to bemoan that the result did not match what was desired. That’s hardly ‘Science’.
When enough such efforts have been expended to no effect, the general conclusion is that there must be a paradox involved that has simply not yet been identified. It reads terrifyingly like frustrated ‘confirmation bias’ and is reshaping much of what I’d believed about science and medicine for the last several decades.
There’s no available evidence that saturated fats cause heart disease, yet every health authority affirms that it’s so. Scary…
Rule of thumb: If it involves compiling statistics about anecdotes (ie, stuff people tell other people) it’s not science (unless it’s meant to provide historical information about people).
For the majority of our meals and cooking generally I now use animal fats: butter, lard, goose fat. British rapeseed oil if oil is required.
First choice is always animal fats. We have as a species grown up with them over thousands of years. And food tastes better too.
Read his recent book The Clot Thickens next. Never met the man but I’m a big fan of him
‘The Great Cholesterol Con’ is alluded to in no small part in Ivor Cummins (where’d he go) book The Fat Emperor.
Epidemiological analysis from a psychologist is about as useful as investment advice from a fishmonger.
Communists gunna communise.
Why are you insulting fishmongers?
This is a very fair point. I should have said “substantially less”.
oh I don’t know Borgy. Here in the NE Uplands of the Socialist Utopia of Jockistan, the fishermen have the biggest houses.
In this part of East Anglia, it was said that the fish merchants drove around in Rolls-Royces and the fishermen rode bicycles. There a very few of either, nowadays. My “beef” with anything to do with the Scots fishing industry is that it gave us, in a round about way, Michael Gove.
Its not clear that covid spreads via aerosols at all. The black fog is nonsense. Even if masks did ‘stop’ infectious droplets, you just get a collection of infectious droplets on a damp mask. And what do people do with masks all the time, touch them and then touch something else.
The fundamental point, and its still amazing that even people writing for the DS seem to struggle to understand, is that if you are asymptomatic you are at a miniscule risk of passing on any respiratory virus. There is not the mechanism of transfer if someone is asymptomatic. When was the last time you went shopping and someone was in there sneezing, coughing, blowing their nose. Symptomatic people have stayed at home. And where ill people congregate, hospitals /care homes, is where there had been proven high levels of spread.
Is it any suprise that omicold is more transmissible and has classic cold symptoms like runny nose, sneezing, coughing etc. Its mild and has the best methods of transmission (droplets, touch) and people who have these symptoms are likely to continue to do things that before they wouldnt.
‘Its not clear that covid spreads via aerosols at all.’
It’s not CoVid… it’s SARS Coronavirus 2.
All it’s mates, other coronavirus, rhinovirus, influenza virus, adenovirus have been shown from decades of research and observation to spread via aerosols.
Why would this particular coronavirus be different?
Aerosols but not droplets? There are plenty of studies from before covid which, yes aerosol is mentioned as a route but it is still relatively unknown as to what extent. I have read studies showing touch and ingestion to be the biggest form of transmission in flu. In the context of this article it says it spreads by aerosol rather then droplets ie the black fog of doom we see in the scaremongering adverts. This is nonsense. The drivers of epidemics are symptomatic people not fit and healthy people sitting around breathing normally. Even fauci knows this and has said so. You need the kinetic energy of a cough, sneeze, even runny nose to displace sufficient virus to be infectious. Masking fit and healthy people is like giving cardboard body armour to people for a war that doesnt exist and then claiming it has stopped bullets.
The Spanish flu is an interesting example. At the time scientists in the USA were unable to infect healthy volunteers from those infected no matter how hard they tried.
Upto and including swabbing the eyes of the volunteers with mucus from the infected.
It is almost like it wasn’t an infectious disease at all.
They possibly got it mixed up with Spanish Fly.
The interesting thing about the Spanish flu is that it didn’t happen in Germany as primary sources from the time simply don’t mention it[*]. Meanwhile, my preferred (although entirely unverified) pet theory about that is that it was mainly an exercise in applied hysterics of underoccupied American housewives whose men had gone to war and their medical advisors who possibly created an avoidable medical disaster by quarantining healthy young people in large hospital facilities where they then died from secondary bacterial infections which couldn’t be treated at that time (no antibiotics yet) and – happy about this excellent breeding ground – jumped from bed to bed.
[*] Actually, Jünger mentions it in passing in In Stahlgewittern but basically just as something he has heard of and certainly not as terrible killer disease.
A similar study was done recently with covid and they only managed to infect about half the people if i remember rightly. Yes there are many things which are still relatively unknown and the immune system is incredibly complex. Genetics certainly plays a role in my view. There are people who are completely immune to ebola for example purely because their genetic makeup rather then their immune response to it.
Yep- it’s the old ‘buy this rock to stop bear attacks’ ploy. No one has been attacked by a bear round here, so this rock obviously works…
Possibly, they were dreading the worst since they thought (but did not admit) that it was man-made in a GoF lab?
Can we not leave the Covid Boll*cks behind and concentrate on their next planned horror nightmare for us?
Deny, deny, deny…….
https://youtu.be/SGu8qiBUf-4
Ah. So thats how you do it.
The Guardian speaks to ‘expert’s who support the narrative that the Guardian pushed relentlessly for two years? Not exactly a shock this is it? The Guardian, and their ridiculously puffed up, virtue-signalling, illiberal, ignorant, Britain-hating, family loathing, pronoun-loving, BBC-loving, idiotic, readers are the real problem in society. Middle-class morons whose love of Flat Whites is even more intense than their hatred of democracy.
The Grauniad is fakenews central
Are they allowed to call them “Flat Whites”? Surely that is racist! Out of principle I have never bought one.
You prefer a Busty Black?
Flat Whites is what they’d like to reduce us to.
I thought ‘flat whites’ were trainers.
A hearty round of applause from me.
I am quite partial to a flat white. However, as I didn’t try and get you cancelled for dissing my fellow flat white aficionados, I assume I am made of the right stuff. Huzzah
In the interests of balance, I must point out that the Graun does offer a very decent cryptic crossword most days. And you don’t even need to subscribe to complete it online (unlike the grasping Daily [ex]Torygraph).
Sums them up perfectly! Remember the old ‘Bait-a-Leftie’ thing from a few years ago? I think it should be brought back.
The thing about these ‘experts’ is that they are deemed such because a) They are fully versed in theory and b) have been around a long time.
As soon as a practical solution is sought ftom them, they get it wrong every time.
Ferguson being the best example of this.
In other words they fail dismally to show any real level of expertise, and as such I cannot believe those in decision making positions still listen to them.
we need to differentiate actual experts (who can be wrong) with non-experts pretending to be experts (ie Devi Sridhar, Michie)
Have a look at the bank accounts of those two – I bet they are experts when it comes to ripping the British public off!
The public also needs to differentiate between different areas of expertise, and to understand the limitations of those areas. If the public had understood from the start that risk assessing particular measures (taking account of the many associated harms) wasn’t within the expertise of the government’s chosen epidemiologist (or, indeed, of their pharmacist neighbour or medical student friend), things might have gone very differently.
I always thought the ‘experts’ were deemed as such because we’re governed by either lawyers or Arts graduates, none of whom has a grasp of anything vaguely technical.
SAGE must be peeing themselves at the ease with which they’ve bamboozled Bunter and Co.
It reminds me of the answer to the job interview question “what is your weakness” where you are encouraged to reply “I pay too much attention to detail” turn a negative into a positive and look stupid.
what’s your weakness?
I’m too honest
I don’t think that’s a weakness
I don’t give a fuck what you think
I’m a workaholic!
What is your weakness?
It’s that my circumstances are such that I needed to apply for a job like this where I’d be interviewed by a dunderhead like you.
I have little patience for dumb questions.
Japan did ivermectin ,it didn’t do nothing.
The one thing I learned above all else from the pandemic is that most “experts” are as stupid as everyone else, even WITHIN their area of expertise. The scientific method works but it is a method, not a church, and scientists should be treated not as priests but as ordinary, flawed human beings like everyone else.
But hasn’t been much in use over the last two years.
Wow I’ve actually found something I agree with Fauci on “It might, however, provide some slight benefit in keep out gross droplets if someone coughs or sneezes on you.” In other words, if you consider yourself the type of person who is likely to cough/sneeze in someone’s face then maybe you should wear one. 🤔probably those still masking just can’t trust themselves.
Michie is just plain ignorant. Fauci shows that he knows what he does is wrong (see Robert Kennedy’s book) , in my book that makes him plain evil.
At some point, someone decided they’re a good psychological tool.
To be fair, there are some people who probably should wear a muzzle. If you can’t have a conversation with dousing your interlocutor with your spit, you should do something about it. Nothing to do with Covid – it’s just minging.
“Science is the belief in the ignorance of experts.” Richard Feynman.
As for Michie, she needs a lifetime injunction banning her from being within 100 feet of human beings.
Deffo, for the Michie Variant.
Having seen numerous forecasts prove totally wrong in the arena of climate, I’ve yet to see one academic admit they were wrong. It doesn’t happen.
Why? Because until 20 years ago and the internet, the only people who would point out how disastrously wrong these arrogant academics had been … were other academics as only academics were permitted by the press and media to say anything about the work of academics. And there was an unwritten rule, that academics don’t mention the failure of academia.
Then along came the internet, we didn’t need to go to a library to read their appalling forecasts, we didn’t need the conspiring news media to admit they too had published utterly absurd forecasts. We could read it on the internet (or we could till google started censoring … but it still gets through in places like here).
Michie has proved herself a fool – but she’s a communist fool so that presumably makes it all right in Guardian world.
She’s not a ‘communist’ – she isn’t sharing her house or money with anyone.
In retrospect, all the genocidal ‘mistakes’ seem quite silly.
Let’s just forget the whole thing and embrace WW3 together as one.
WW3: I’ll arrange the bunting and also stuff like commemorative mugs/t-shirts.
Noah, No
The government appointed these people for SAGE when there were plenty of other “experts” they could have listened to.
The fault lies squarely with the government.
You only have to look at the gerrymandering going on at the JCVI to realise that Governments select their experts to tell them to do the things they already intend to do.
The role of the ‘expert’ is to give them the credibility that they are ‘following the science’.
MICHIE
” As a clinical psychologist she worked with adults and families on topics covering antenatal care, genetic counselling and occupational stress.[8] Her later career interests have been in designing and evaluating methods of behavioural change, especially in relation to wellbeing and health improvement.” So, eminently qualified to pontificate on disease transmission ………. NOT.
Wow- if anyone’s CV was ever full of ‘can’t actually do anything remotely useful in the real world’, this would be the one.
It is in the interests of all of the establishment, including ‘pro government’ scientists, to continue pushing the illusion that the approach to covid was broadly correct. What they’re doing here is giving the illusion of having reviewed the advice given at the time by saying that some things should have been done differently — but it is always the minor inconsequential things, never the fundamentals of the approach. We’ll have an official review of the covid response soon enough, and I expect very much the same thing from that. The reality is that in Jan/Feb 2020 there was information coming from China that there was a serious infectious disease there. At that point they should have had a rigorous response re. travel, including stopping of flights from Wuhan and perhaps China — this wasn’t done. In March a targeted lockdown made sense — this wasn’t done. By late March it was becoming clear that the disease mainly targeted the old and obese, and that a ‘Great Barrington’ type lockdown was needed — they ignored this and locked everyone down anyway. By Summer 2020 it was clear that covid was coming in waves naturally and that lockdowns did very little… Read more »
What’s a “Great Barrington type” lockdown? Or do you mean advising the vulnerable to be a bit more careful?
Any idea why cohorts becoming eligible for vaxxing suddenly started dying more than they had been?
Will the government assemble a wider range of scientists if the same situation happens again… you know, people who are competent, experts with a track record of getting things right (unlike Mr Ferguson), and who are open to the (real) science?
That will depend on whether stopping a virus would be their main goal.
IMHO science doesn’t exist in ‘compartments’ such as SAGE or the IPCC. By its very nature it invites critique and rigour. You’re unlikely to find it at a very small table!
Ferguson is a modeler, Shridar is a self-styled ‘public health expert’, and Michie is a lifelong communist and behavioral psychologist.
When it comes to epidemiology, my cat has the same number of academic qualifications as those three combined (zero).
Your cat would probably do less harm though…
There’s something really sick in Western societies. Or is it me that is being unreasonable in refusing to adapt to the new milieu where what used to be wrong is now right, and where what used to be right is now wrong? Dr Gary Jenkins, a psychiatrist, was murdered in a British park one night by a female and two males. The three perpetrators were found guilty of Mr Jenkins’ murder and sentenced. Jenkins was in the park on the night of his murder for a specific reason, and it was the manner in which his reason for being there was reported in various news media that struct me. Dr Gary Jenkins had been in the park on the night in question cruising for other men to have sex with. Generally, when men go to a park to have sex with other men they carry out the act there and then in the actual park. Complete strangers are apt to meet in darkened areas of the park and engage in sexual acts with each other. These men, if they wanted, could go to designated pubs and clubs to meet other men, but they don’t. The risks… Read more »
All sadly true. I’m not saying Jenkins got what he deserved and wilful murder is just that, but he was obviously putting himself at great risk and he must have known that but we seem to live in a world where putting yourself at such risk is seen as your ‘inalienable right’ and you should be protected from all consequences without any hint of responsibility, yet these same people demand everyone else take every conceivable, (and inconceivable), precaution to keep them safe. Bizarre.
The great cover-up begins.
Politicians, scientists, health providers, media and scientists all diving for cover.
As if letting granny die by herself, our children’s education, vax bullying and destruction of many small businesses had nothing to do with them.
Let the inquest begin.
Why is Michie referred to as a scientist?
She is a psychologist with a BA.
She’s not even one of the millions in the UK with a Bachelor of Science and even they would only be referred to as scientists by someone trying to mock the concept of a scientist.
quite
Most people like Michie are drawn to the psychology and psychiatric fields by their own mental problems.
Never trust a psychologist or psychiatrist. They are usually madder than the people they treat.
Well they would say that, wouldn’t they?
The evidence on masks is so flimsy that ultimately I think this is political. You either like them and like imposing things like this on people, or you don’t. I don’t. The danger from covid is so low and the possible benefits of masks are so low that I just don’t give a toss whether they might work a tiny bit – I don’t want to wear one to help others and I don’t believe anyone should be forced to.
The dust masks being used were/are laughable.
Allow me to help them with their biggest mistakes:
1) thinking that this was a virus that merited any kind of special action whatsoever – the Diamond Princess showed it wasn’t. We could have focused on early treatment from the get go and everything would have been just fine.
2) Devil Sridhar going on Newsround and falsely claiming the vaccines were 100% safe to the audience of children. Tell that to the parents of the children in the VAERS database, of whom there are now thousands I believe. And those dead of myocarditis.
3) Susan Michie thinking everyone should wear a mask FOREVER. She alone should have one superglued to her hideous face permanently, to spare the rest of us the sight of it. They are completely bloody useless for all other purposes.
4) Ferguson. Turning his computer on. He shouldn’t be allowed to touch the things. He clearly has no idea how to use one and has only ever produced complete drivel. Shit in, shit out, with a lot of shit mangling in-between. How does he make a living doing this? it’s beyond my comprehension.
The reason they refused to focus on early treatment from the get-go was because if they admitted there were alternative treatments for the (flu) virus, they would not have got emergency authorisation for the gene therapies.
It was lie after lie, and fraud after fraud. They lied about the gene therapies being vaccines because if they told the truth about them being gene therapies, they again would not have got emergency authorisation to use them. The emergency authorisation applied only to vaccines.
What’s really laughable about it is that the FDA in the United States actually from the get-go had these fake vaccines registered as gene therapies. This was revealed as fact last year.
The blatant criminality is shocking, and prima facie evidence is to be had in abundance to prove it.
Crimes against humanity have been committed.
Love is in the air!
The ‘unvaxxed’ are punished for not wanting to take an experimental drug, to this very day, yet ‘Professor’ Ferguson deliberately breaks the ‘lockdown’ and gets away with it.
Yes one wouldn’t want to cross a bridge or fly in an aeroplane designed by such “experts”.
‘ When it became clear that Covid spreads…’
CoVid is a disease, it cannot spread. What spreads is the pathogen which causes the disease.
Coughs and sneezes spread diseases. This is when we are infectious – why asymptomatic spread is a nonsense.
Coughing and sneezing into a mask is like throwing tomatoes at a tennis racket, any droplets will disintegrate and be pushed through mask materials of any kind by the force behind the cough and sneeze. Once a mask becomes wet, after about ten minutes, hygroscopic pressure moves pathogens across the mask material in both directions making masks useless. Masks are breeding grounds for staph & step disease causing bacteria which colonise the nano-pharynx of most people.
All this was known until March 2020.
The only effective masks are made of impenetrable materials like rubber, worn skin tight with two way Hepafilters. Anything else is just play-acting.
He parrots the lines that the Government want to hear. One SAGE member admitted to this on Twitter, to paraphrase ‘we produce the models that Ministers ask for’.
Governments appoint ‘experts’ to give credibility to things they intend to do.
“Something must be done. We’ve decided to make a presentation, which we have done, so something has been done.” Pretty much the script for all that lot. Doesn’t matter if it actually does any good in real life, but if enough punters believe in it, they’ve won.
Susan says:
“Oh no! Without tests & case data all we will be left with is lagged ONS data, essential but lagged by about 10 days …..”
“Trade unions & health & safety officers & policies to protect staff vital in these uncertain & rough times. There is legislation guaranteeing workers safe air to breathe. How will this legal requirement be met? Needs central advice & resources,not just ‘individual responsibility’ “
https://twitter.com/susanmichie
Most of these nut cases are drawn to the psychology and psychiatric fields by their own mental problems.
Never trust a psychologist or psychiatrist. They are usually madder than the people they treat.
I’ve known two shrinks, both very senior, smart people, barking mad and I would end up giving them counselling not the other way round.
MY EYES!!!! put a mask on it, fast.
The lady is obviously a total basketcase: Other living beings on this planet breathing is just too dangerous to me! How did you manage to get so old and unsightly then, Susan?
PS: Considering that, not the least due to your macchinations, it’s entirely possible that I won’t be allowed to meet my parents ever again, coming within breathing distance of me might, depending on future circumstances, actually not be entirely safe for you. But face coverings are not going to be of use in this case.