Emails Cast Further Light on the Plot to Re-educate Boris About Climate Change

Thirty-eight emails released after a recent FOI request provide an interesting insight into the way Government science advisers plotted to change Boris Johnson’s mind over the causes of climate change ahead of a Cabinet Office presentation.

The event on January 28th 2020 was led by the Government’s Chief Scientific Officer Sir Patrick Vallance and presented, using 11 slides, by the Chief Scientist of the Met Office, Professor Stephen Belcher. According to Belcher, the stated goal of the presentation was to persuade Boris that to “stabilise climate” we need “net zero emissions”.

On the day of the meeting, one of the attendees, Richard Barker, the Head of Energy and Environment at the National Physical Laboratory, circulated an email noting that a picture was to be painted about the current climate situation and some of the challenges “we” face, adding: “However, my assumption is that we want this meeting to establish the big opportunity for us to take a big step forward.”

The big step forward probably referred to surgically removing any scepticism that the Prime Minister had shown in the past about the role humans have played in causing the climate to change. Since then, Johnson has said that the briefings he received around this time provided a “road to Damascus” style conversion in him. At COP26 last year, he told delegates it was “one minute to midnight” on the doomsday clock. At the UN a month before, he told humanity to “grow up“. Any doubts he might have had about what he was told by selected scientists about climate change during his premiership seem to have disappeared since he intriguingly added: “It is time for us to listen to the warnings of the scientists – and look at Covid, if you want an example of gloomy scientists being proved right.”

And thanks to the FOI request, we now know that certain gloomy scientists were busy planning in January 2020 to get Johnson on board the Net Zero agenda. A day before the meeting, an email from Sir Patrick Vallance homed in on one of the issues that leads many to argue that the causes of climate change are not fully understood. “Should we be worried  that the range of climate sensitivities hasn’t changed?” he asked. This is a reference to the elephant-in-the-room problem at the heart of climate models – equilibrium climate sensitivity. This is the increase in the global mean surface temperature that follows a doubling of atmospheric CO2. The problem is that nobody knows what this increase is – the science for this crucial piece of the jigsaw is missing – unsettled, you might say. The range of sensitivities hasn’t changed in over 40 years. Some scientists argue that CO2 loses much of its warming properties as more enters the atmosphere and the increase could be as low as 0.5°C. Some models, however, guess as high as 6°C.

Last year, Professor Nicola Scafetta from the University of Naples analysed 38 of the main climate models and found that most of them had overestimated global warming over the last 40 years. Many of them should be “dismissed and not used by policymakers”, he said. In 2019, 48 Italian science professors led by nuclear antimatter discoverer Antonino Zichichi said in an open letter to the Italian Government that catastrophic predictions of climate models were “not realistic”. In their view, all the facts suggested that the models overestimated the human contribution to climate change and underestimated the natural climatic variability, especially that induced by the sun, the moon and by the oceanic oscillations.

In a further email, Vallance suggested to Belcher that Boris would want an answer to the question “why are the numbers so round, e.g. 2050 targets and 1.5°C etc.”. No doubt forewarned was forearmed and convincing answers were provided, despite neither targets having any basis in scientific fact. However, much of the recent media comment on the meeting has been of the ‘why are we still having to do this’ variety. “It is shocking he had his Damascene moment in 2020 given how much effort scientists have made to communicate the risks of climate change over the years,” said Emily Shuckburgh, Head of Cambridge Net Zero, the university’s climate change initiative. Professor Stefan Rahmstorf of the Potsdam Institute for Climate Impact Research tweeted that the slides showed “elementary climate info”, adding: “One would have hoped that this is basic knowledge of every politician since decades on the planet and doesn’t have to be shown in 2020! Alas…”

Interestingly, it was the founding director of the Potsdam Institute who is credited with first putting an arbitrary target ceiling on the rise in global temperatures. IPCC lead author Hans Joachim Schellnhuber is said to be the father of 2°C, an earlier IPCC target. Asked in 2010 by the German Der Speigel newspaper why he had imposed the “magical limit”, he replied: “Politicians like to have clear targets and a simple number is easier to handle.”

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A W Fuller
A W Fuller
4 years ago

If nothing else good comes out of the Covid debacle let it be that doomsday computer modelling is acknowledged to be unreliable at best and usually total garbage, completely unsuitable for basing policy upon.

MarkPawelek
MarkPawelek
4 years ago
Reply to  A W Fuller

The problem isn’t computer modelling. It is modelling itself driven by a need to predict the future. In the case of the basic greenhouse gas climate model, there was never any kind of good validation or falsification criteria set for the model. Q: Why? A: Over the years, scientists and experts picked modelling to avoid discussion of evidence; a choice inherent in the need to answer hypothetical questions set them by politicos. ‘Experts‘ were driven in that direction by the need to answer ‘what if‘ questions set them by politicians and other ‘experts‘. Modellers tell us “when we need to predict the future, even a bad model is better than no model“. They arrived at this conclusion through evidence. Studies, do indeed, show that modellers with systematic, predictive, quantitative models get better results – when forced to predict the future – than modellers with ad hoc, ill-defined, or non-mathematical models. But modelling is outside the scientific process – because it does not rely on scientific validation – as scientific theories, hypotheses and laws – do. In a nutshell, 1st modellers created a pseudo problem or pseudo question: “What is responsible for man-made climate change“. This happened formally back in 1988… Read more »

Free Lemming
4 years ago
Reply to  MarkPawelek

Great comment. I think your last sentence hits the nail on the head though; in the absence of real, guaranteed, data, doesn’t this – just like the Covid debacle – largely come down to how you view the world? Pint half full or pint half empty?

John Dee
4 years ago
Reply to  MarkPawelek

Our dilemma is not just Malthusians gravitating to becoming modellers; rather more that it’s Arts graduate clowns who get to make the decisions and don’t feel confident enough to question the basis for the modelling, lest they betray their callowness.

Human Resource 19510203
Human Resource 19510203
4 years ago
Reply to  MarkPawelek

Terrific comment, Mark. It sums up eloquently the problem we have. How now do we transfer the distrust and discredit earned by the COVD modellers to the climate modellers?

Human Resource 19510203
Human Resource 19510203
4 years ago
Reply to  MarkPawelek

Terrific comment, Mark. It sums up perfectly the problem we have. How do we now transfer the distrust and discredit earned by the COVID modellers to the climate modellers?

huxleypiggles
4 years ago
Reply to  A W Fuller

Delete “acknowledged to be unreliable at best and…”

Moist Von Lipwig
4 years ago
Reply to  A W Fuller

Modelling derives from the false premise that if it is imagined, it exists in reality.

From this false premise, ridiculous assumptions are extrapolated into absurd, apocalyptic scenarios that cannot possibly happen.

This then becomes government policy.

cornubian
4 years ago
Reply to  A W Fuller

Well paid activists created the IPCC to further the elites agenda. Its junk-in junk-out models deliver the pre-conceived message they want to deliver to a waiting world eager to ‘trust the science’. Its as simple as that.

Lockdown Sceptic
4 years ago
Reply to  A W Fuller

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watersider
4 years ago

Last night on Neil Oliver on GBNews, he had a lady from Florida billed as an entrepreneur. She was a bit hysterical, but seemed to know a lot about Blusterin Boris Corbyn -Johnson.

She maintained that after he came out of hospital with the Wuflu he ‘had been changed’
Suspicious cat here wonders if there is any connection with the green Damascus?

Did his cure involve any extra ‘treatment’?

DanClarke
DanClarke
4 years ago
Reply to  watersider

He could have been extensively nudged, we see it everyday

NeilParkin
4 years ago
Reply to  DanClarke

I assume that any individual, or body of people who continue to accept the output of Prof Ferguson’s model as an even remotely possible outcome, have either have been severely ‘got at’ by hallucinogenic drugs or perhaps Stasi mind-control techniques.

Yet there it is…

John Dee
4 years ago
Reply to  NeilParkin

Or bought?

LMS2
4 years ago
Reply to  NeilParkin

Subjected to constant groupthink within Downing Street and the establishment?

Tcheuchter
Tcheuchter
4 years ago
Reply to  DanClarke

Ever since Johnson was whisked off to hospital I have suspected he was given the Dubcek treatment.

For younger readers, Alexander Dubcek was the leader of Czechoslovakia who in 1968 tried to introduce “socialism with a human face” and thereby upset nice Mr Breshnev. He was taken to a hospital in the USSR.

David Beaton
David Beaton
4 years ago
Reply to  Tcheuchter

Yes, he came back a different man!

Tcheuchter
Tcheuchter
4 years ago
Reply to  David Beaton

Exactly.

Hypatia
Hypatia
4 years ago
Reply to  watersider

Yes. Carrie’s been squeezing his b*lls.

David Beaton
David Beaton
4 years ago
Reply to  Hypatia

Did they survive his treatment? We have no substantive evidence they did.

Hopeless - "TN,BN"
4 years ago
Reply to  David Beaton

In one sense, they did, in the addition of more Johnson genes to the unsuspecting planet. In another, they sort of did, then they didn’t, then they did….

Moist Von Lipwig
4 years ago
Reply to  David Beaton

They didn’t exist to begin with.

Mumbo Jumbo
4 years ago
Reply to  Hypatia

Yup, she has spent rather a lot on redecoration. You did mean bills, didn’y you.

tom171uk
4 years ago
Reply to  Hypatia

What balls?

Mumbo Jumbo
4 years ago
Reply to  watersider

Or did he die and then become replaced by a suitably programmed android.

Moist Von Lipwig
4 years ago
Reply to  watersider

Kim Jong Johnson has no beliefs, no convictions and is driven by a desire to please, to be popular. That is why his wife is Prime Minister, essentially.

tom171uk
4 years ago

He might have a conviction soon. Or at least an FPN.

lutherkehrt@gmail.com
lutherkehrt@gmail.com
4 years ago
Reply to  watersider

Jennifer Arcuri, with whom Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson may not have had an affair. I think she’d have more clue about what he used to be like than most.

TheEngineer
TheEngineer
4 years ago
Reply to  watersider

Did he really have Covid or was it a stunt to promote his policies?

LMS2
4 years ago
Reply to  TheEngineer

I think he did. He looked very unwell before going into hospital.
I’m also sure he was got at.

ImpObs
4 years ago

“It is time for us to listen to the warnings of the scientists – and
look at Covid, if you want an example of gloomy scientists being proved
right.”

Name ANY gov scientist that was right about covid.

Same goes for Climate doomsters, with knobs on.

Boomer Bloke
4 years ago
Reply to  ImpObs

Another beautiful example of a politician saying something that is a complete 180 degree opposite of the truth and expecting us to believe it. The current master appears to be Justin Trudeau. Napoleon Macron is pretty good at it as well. The antipodean leadership also have form.

John Dee
4 years ago
Reply to  ImpObs

That was my reaction too. Has Bunter really been paying so little attention to the gap between the predictions and the actuality?

tom171uk
4 years ago
Reply to  ImpObs

Name ANY gov scientist that was right about covid

Sunetra Gupta?

DevonBlueBoy
DevonBlueBoy
4 years ago
Reply to  tom171uk

Luckily for us Sunetra Gupta is NOT a ‘gov scientist’

stewart
4 years ago

So, it’s basically Patrick Vallance who has been running the country.

Presumably getting his orders from the organs promoting ‘the global agenda’.

David Beaton
David Beaton
4 years ago
Reply to  stewart

Where is Vallance hiding? Under Whitty’s skirts perhaps.

Perhaps they have all booked a couch in Trudeau’s Bunker or maybe Schwab’s Underground Command Centre? Anyone heard from Gates recently?

huxleypiggles
4 years ago
Reply to  David Beaton

Billy is refining his next brew. Some conspiracy theorists believe it might have something to do with VAIDS, but that’s just a conspiracy theory so best ignored.
😀

Martin Frost
Martin Frost
4 years ago

This “One Minute to Midnight” slogan has been around for at least 3 decades to my knowledge probably longer. Boris Johnson favourably compared the scientific predictors of environmental catastrophe with his barmy SAGE modellers except that they have been shown to be completely wrong not right. Both come from the same stable but the industry they are involved in is significantly more lucrative than horse racing. Covid hysteria is just an offshoot of the end of the world is nigh saturation Green propaganda that has indoctrinated our schools, universities and the Government. Like Covid it is a cancellation offence to challenge the official orthodoxy in any way. I sometimes wonder who really won the Cold War.

NeilParkin
4 years ago
Reply to  Martin Frost

They were saying the same thing at COP 1, as they were at COP 26, almost exactly. There is a document on https://wattsupwiththat.com/ with a selection of quotes from each of the COP meetings. Incidentally, a crumb of comfort you’ll be pleased to hear. COP 27 and 28 are already scheduled. Maybe not so close to that extinction event after all.

Mumbo Jumbo
4 years ago
Reply to  NeilParkin

It is especially helpful (but tedious) to read the detailed reports rather than polical summaries. Much more sober assessments and far less hyperbole, all tempered by qualitative assessments of likelihood of particular outcomes, which are far less extreme.

pjar
4 years ago
Reply to  Martin Frost

The Doomsday Clock, has been around since 1947.

Hopeless - "TN,BN"
4 years ago
Reply to  pjar

Wasn’t it originally the countdown to extermination by nuclear holocaust i.e. MAD, rather than climate change?

Mumbo Jumbo
4 years ago
Reply to  Martin Frost

Talking of cold war and doomsday clocks, we are now being daily reminded that Russia is about to make a move, however troop numbers appear to have been static for months and Putin is allowing time for Ukraine and its friends to strengthen their defences. That doesn’t make a lot of military sense.
However it does make sense if the west wants to deflect attention from pandemic travails.

Thinking Slow
Thinking Slow
4 years ago

I am afraid that the idea that Boris Johnson adopted net zero due to some gloomy scientific presentation in January 2020 is crazy when his father and wife are both climate cultists – Jonson himself wrote about population reduction to save the climate as far back as 2007. This looks like his friend Toby setting up a false trail by again scapegoating scientists.

ImpObs
4 years ago
Reply to  Thinking Slow

Toby does seem wedded to his “Bumbling Boris” narrative, I wonder what it would take for him to see the reality.

It’s almost as bad as Baghdad Bob…

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harrystillgood
harrystillgood
4 years ago
Reply to  Thinking Slow

Mr. Young readily admits he is jealous of Boris’ success. Respect that he confesses authentically.

I didn’t realise Boris is Malthusian too. It’s the starting point leading into climate psychosis. Happened to me. I managed to wrench myself out if it like one of those waking nightmares.

David Beaton
David Beaton
4 years ago
Reply to  harrystillgood

Johnson is not a success – he is a disaster for himself and for all of us.

huxleypiggles
4 years ago
Reply to  David Beaton

If anybody thinks Johnson is a success the dictionary world needs to redefine “success.”

Spritof_GFawkes
4 years ago
Reply to  huxleypiggles

It probably already has. Most words, these days seem to mean something other than what I was taught at school (via: pandemic, vaccine, safe & effective etc etc)

John Dee
4 years ago
Reply to  huxleypiggles

Well, as noted before, they’ve already done that for ‘vaccine’, ‘pandemic’, ‘with’ and ‘from’.

DanClarke
DanClarke
4 years ago

Very interesting interview with Jennifer Arcuri with Neil Oliver on GB News, friday

watersider
4 years ago
Reply to  DanClarke

Thanks Dan,
Yes that’s the one.
See my post above.

John Dee
4 years ago
Reply to  DanClarke

Back when Boris was wasting only small amounts of money on blonde women.

chris-ds
chris-ds
4 years ago

Well,

there is no point lobbying if you don’t try.

these guys clearly worked hard to ensure they covered all basis and provide answers to any and all eventualities.

it clearly worked and they managed to persuade the pm.

the problem is there is no voice arguing any other way. It’s like the consensus is this or nothing. Any other views are swiftly ignored as not having merit or crackpot or other derogatory terms with the messengers often pilloried for good measure with their funding put at risk for raising their heads.

hopefully the lm has had a further Damascus moment and seen that the so called scientists who surround him have been pushing a narrative of the future that is contrary to other narratives and has actually, in hindsight, been proven wrong.

on a global scale, governments have doubled down on wrong science while silencing and deriding the right science.

DanClarke
DanClarke
4 years ago

All PM’s want to leave a legacy, Blair left a disastrous one, Johnson is going to do the same if he continues with the extreme$ the climate lobby want

Sinor
Sinor
4 years ago
Reply to  DanClarke

His great legacy will be 8 and counting sprogs .He really is a cn ut

David Beaton
David Beaton
4 years ago
Reply to  Sinor

Meanwhile, other people’s children are dying from myocarditis. directly attributed to his vaccines.

huxleypiggles
4 years ago
Reply to  DanClarke

Johnson “if.”

Good grief this ar##hole almost makes Bliar look like a humble Fred Bloggs.

How many crimes can be laid at Bozo’s door:

Mass murder, destruction of the country, impoverishment of millions, destruction of the health service, warmongering, repeated and poorly concealed lying to the nation, severely undermining the physical and mental health of millions, destruction of our children’s futures, mass poisonings and doubtless many more.

…..”if”….

NeilofWatford
4 years ago

If Johnson had any love for truth he’d have rejected this nonsense. He doesn’t, but it conveniently reinforced his globalist, reset goal.
Johnson must go.

Sinor
Sinor
4 years ago

The problem is the Pig Dictator has the attention span of a goldfish .Hence only 11 big shiny slides .He also believes in fairies so we are all totally stuffed.

Bellingcat
4 years ago

I bet Vallance did his ‘this is not a prediction but …’ graph of doom skit

eastender53
4 years ago

Ballance was an ‘Agenda Contributor’ to the WEF.

Enough said.

MTF
MTF
4 years ago

This is a reference to the elephant-in-the-room problem at the heart of climate models surrounding what is called equilibrium climate sensitivity. This is the increase in the global mean surface temperature that follows a doubling of atmospheric CO2. The problem is that nobody knows what this figure is – the science for this crucial piece of the jigsaw is missing – unsettled, you may say. Some scientists argue that CO2 loses much of its warming properties as more enters the atmosphere and the figure could be as low as 0.5°C. Some models, however, guess as high as 6°C.

This is a bit misleading. Yes estimates (they aren’t guesses) range from 0.5 to 6 – but these are extreme examples out of many estimates. The vast majority of estimates are between 1.5 and 4.5.

Why does Morrison describe the e-mails as a plot? They look to me like a bunch of people trying to decide what are the most important points and how to get them across. I am sure many people on this forum have had similar exchanges about important presentations.

peyrole
peyrole
4 years ago
Reply to  MTF

Two thoughts for you.
My house already is beyond the point of no return, we are doomed. The kitchen has at least a 2C difference between the internal and external walls, which is nothing compared to upstairs/downstairs where we regularly see over 4C differences in operation.
The average global temperature as measured by satellites is 0.03C higher last month than it was in the same month 40 years ago.
We are all doomed, doomed I tell you.

MTF
MTF
4 years ago
Reply to  peyrole

You may have noticed that there is a big difference in the plants you can grow in the three different environments.

The average global temperature as measured by satellites is 0.03C higher last month than it was in the same month 40 years ago.

Yes – it looks like last month was exceptionally cold in the mid-troposphere. Luckily few of us live there.

Of course what matters is the long term trend. From Roy Spencer’s website.

The linear warming trend since January, 1979 now stands at +0.13 C/decade (+0.12 C/decade over the global-averaged oceans, and +0.18 C/decade over global-averaged land).

This is not so very different from the trend as measured by surface instruments (+0.18 over land and sea).

stevie119
4 years ago
Reply to  MTF

“hide the decline……”

eastender53
4 years ago
Reply to  MTF

Morning 77.

Historic CO2 Levels have varied dramatically, often completely out of synch with global temperature changes. This is one of the very few verifiable facts about climate change.

Grammatically the difference between an estimate and a guess seems to revolve around the quality of the data upon which the estimate is based. If, as in this case you state your data is valid, then your estimate is better than a guess.

Sadly this is what’s called circular logic.

MTF
MTF
4 years ago
Reply to  eastender53

Historic CO2 Levels have varied dramatically, often completely out of synch with global temperature changes.

What time scale are you talking about? Over hundreds of thousands of years CO2 levels have changed but not come close to current levels and are remarkably well synchronised with temperature estimates. Over millions of years other forces become relevant which do not change in the kind of timescale we are interested in e.g earth’s orbit, continental drift.

Grammatically the difference between an estimate and a guess seems to revolve around the quality of the data upon which the estimate is based.

Not really. An estimate can be poor. It is do with the process that the hypothesiser goes through. If they go through a process of reasoning to get to the answer, even if it is faulty, that is not a guess.

RedhotScot
4 years ago
Reply to  MTF

Guesses and estimates are the same thing, whether by sticking a wet finger in the air or spending hundreds of thousands on the latest computer kit, projecting a belief into the future is not science. Science is wholly dependent on observation, anything beyond that is a hypothesis and, as Richard Feynman said, a hypothesis is a guess. This is the calculation, using internationally recognised data, nothing fancy, no hidden agenda, just something we can all do by taking our socks and shoes off. Assuming increasing atmospheric CO2 is causing the planet to warm: Atmospheric CO2 levels in 1850 (beginning of the Industrial Revolution): ~280ppm (parts per million atmospheric content) (Vostok Ice Core). Atmospheric CO2 level in 2021: ~410ppm. (Mauna Loa) 410ppm minus 280ppm = 130ppm ÷ 171 years (2021 minus 1850) = 0.76ppm of which man is responsible for ~3% = ~0.02ppm. That’s every human on the planet and every industrial process adding ~0.02ppm CO2 to the atmosphere per year on average. At that rate mankind’s CO2 contribution would take ~25,000 years to double which, the IPCC states, would cause around 2°C of temperature rise. That’s ~0.0001°C increase per year for ~25,000 years. One hundred (100) generations from now (assuming… Read more »

MTF
MTF
4 years ago
Reply to  RedhotScot

projecting a belief into the future is not science.  So predictions of the date of the next eclipse are just guesses not science? 410ppm minus 280ppm = 130ppm ÷ 171 years (2021 minus 1850) = 0.76ppm of which man is responsible for ~3% = ~0.02ppm. Nope – man is responsible for about 100% of the increase. This is 3% of the carbon going into the atmosphere but the other 97% was in balance i.e it leaves the atmosphere in various ways as part of the carbon cycle. Furthermore, the Mauna Loa CO2 observatory (and others) can identify and illustrate Natures small seasonal variations in atmospheric CO2 but cannot distinguish between natural and manmade atmospheric CO2 Actually there is a difference in the proportion of C12 isotope of CO2 which is one source of evidence that virtually all the increase is manmade. That’s entirely ignoring the effect of the most powerful ‘greenhouse’ gas, water vapour which is ~96% of all greenhouse gases. I think it is less than 96% but it doesn’t matter. It is a big factor. However, water vapour is a condensing gas. The amount in the atmosphere is determined largely by temperature. So it acts as an amplifier… Read more »

Mumbo Jumbo
4 years ago
Reply to  MTF

Eclipses are not beliefs, the are verifiable calculations based on well understood Newtonian principles and are precise within the limits of time measurement, unlike all of you assertions above.

MTF
MTF
4 years ago
Reply to  Mumbo Jumbo

So the belief that next total eclipse in the UK will be on  12 August 2026 is not a belief? This is mangling words.

The obvious truth is that science enables us to hold beliefs about the future with varying certainty and precision ranging from dates of eclipses to development of epidemics. There is no firm dividing line between the two.

Mumbo Jumbo
4 years ago
Reply to  MTF

You really need to consider the difference between belief and certainty.

huxleypiggles
4 years ago
Reply to  RedhotScot

Terrific and always worth reposting.

Thanks.

PFD
PFD
4 years ago
Reply to  MTF

There are two issues here. The first is what is the value of the climate sensitivity? It is critical question. If it is 1.5 degrees C per doubling then the outcomes are very different from 4.5 degrees per doubling. The second question is that despite many years invested in trying to estimate the climate sensitivity through use of climate models it has not been possible to reduce the uncertainties below that originally suggested by Charnley. What is interesting is that estimates based on historical temperature data and also on geological data increasingly point towards a value that is towards the lower end of estimates i.e. 1 to 1.5 degrees C per doubling.

MTF
MTF
4 years ago
Reply to  PFD

what is the value of the climate sensitivity? Assuming are talking about ECS, there we there is always going to be some uncertainty (we can’t even assume it will the same in the future as it has been in the past). We have to make decisions accepting that uncertainty. It is important but not crucial. A low ECS means we have longer to move to a lower carbon future, a high ECS means we have less time. The second question is that despite many years invested in trying to estimate the climate sensitivity through use of climate models it has not been possible to reduce the uncertainties below that originally suggested by Charnley. Andew Dessler’s comment in the carbon brief article is interesting. He thinks that Charnley greatly underestimated the uncertainty given what he knew at the time and we have actually reduced that uncertainty. What is interesting is that estimates based on historical temperature data and also on geological data increasingly point towards a value that is towards the lower end of estimates i.e. 1 to 1.5 degrees C per doubling. The problem with historical data is that in a situation where CO2 levels are changing the recorded temperature… Read more »

Nessimmersion
4 years ago
Reply to  MTF

Why is it climate catsostrophist cultists refuse to admit basic scientific evidence entirely invalidates their cultish beliefs.
See graph below for CO2 levels massively higher than now.
Remains of forests being.exposed in Greenland due to melting ice- why do you believe prehistoric eskimos went.round burying tree stumps under glaciers.?
Vostok & Greenland ice cores show CO2 levels to be a lagging indicator for temperature.

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MTF
MTF
4 years ago
Reply to  Nessimmersion

In these disputes it always seems like the other guys are ignoring basic evidence.

This chart has been going the rounds for decades. It is utterly irrelevant because it is on a scale of 100s of millions of years. Over those timescales factors such as changes in the earth’s orbit, continental drift and even the Cambrian explosion play an enormous role but they do not change in timescales that interest us.

Yes a very long time ago the poles were tropical. So what?

The pattern in the past was often something such as small alteration in the earth’s orbit made a small temperature difference which caused more or less GHGs which greatly amplified that small change. This would happen over tens of thousands of years. That is not what is happening now.

Nessimmersion
4 years ago
Reply to  MTF

That’s a pile of evidence free assertions saying that you want to cherrypick your evidence.
Where is your proof that the laws of physics were different in the past.
Big clue – the stumps of frozen forests now being exposed in Greenland etc aren’t millions of years old, they are from the Minoan climate optimum.

MTF
MTF
4 years ago
Reply to  Nessimmersion

Are you asking me to provide evidence that things were very, very different 100s of millions of years ago?

  • The sun was less strong – it has gradually increased in intensity since the earth began
  • Land was configured completely different because of tectonic drift
  • The composition of the atmosphere was very different (I am not talking about GHGs
  • The type of life was very different

All of these can have massive effects of climate over a very long time scale.

This doesn’t, of course, mean the laws of physics were different.

But I am sure you know these things. Do I really need to dig up evidence for stuff that should be taught in school?

The example of frozen forests is different. In the mid-Holocene the earth’s orbit was different (Milankovitch cycles). This meant the Northern hemisphere was warmer and Southern hemisphere cooler than at present – particularly in the Northern summer.

Jo Starlin
4 years ago

2°C temperature rise is the climate version of two metre social distancing then.

peyrole
peyrole
4 years ago
Reply to  Jo Starlin

I think its more like Central Bank’s inflation target. They are operated and supported by the same people.

George L
4 years ago

Maybe Boris ought to look up in the sky occasionally, and ask what the f*cks going on up there.. because those pretty patterns aren’t condensation.. that’s for sure..

Below.. ‘oh look.. the engines must have stopped’

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ComeTheRevolution
ComeTheRevolution
4 years ago
Reply to  George L

Exactly – theyre running criminal covert operations to meddle with the weather, then running scams looking all confused awhippung up hysteria about the weather. Its the same game as the terrorist game – they are the terrorists committing acts of terrrorism, then they need to set up counter terrorism units to counter their own crimes.

FRANKENSKIES
https://vimeo.com/222928194

‘Dimming the sun’: $100m geoengineering research programme proposed
All options to fight climate crisis must be explored, says national academy, but critics fear side-effects
https://web.archive.org/web/20210329103727/https://amp.theguardian.com/environment/2021/mar/25/top-us-scientists-back-100m-geoengineering-research-proposal

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David Beaton
David Beaton
4 years ago

Should be a statement not a question.

Bolloxed Britannia
Bolloxed Britannia
4 years ago

Why does Boris subscribe to the pernicious green psychosis? Does he believe the polar bears are dying? Does he believe the ice caps are melting? Is he an acolyte of the Anthropomorphic climate change church? Or is he fully on board with the biggest transfer of wealth in human history? If you start with the Rockefeller Club of Rome and it’s “Limit’s to Growth”, follow the financial dot’s to the Luciferian filth that stand too make gazillions….Only one conclusion can be drawn!

George L
4 years ago

Couldn’t have put it better..

David Beaton
David Beaton
4 years ago
Reply to  George L

Johnson hopes that some of the “transferred” wealth will be dropped in the gutter where he can pick it up!

ComeTheRevolution
ComeTheRevolution
4 years ago

His father Stanley Johnson has been instrumental in running the climate change and global warming scams in the UK for the usual crime and banking people and their doppelganger family for decades.

The Oxford Global Depopulation Agenda 2025
https://www.bitchute.com/video/LyLretdObH0d/

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David Beaton
David Beaton
4 years ago

Crazy man!

Hopeless - "TN,BN"
4 years ago
Reply to  David Beaton

As they say, depopulation starts at home; but not in the philoprogenitive Johnsons.

BJs Brain is Missing
4 years ago

I am willing to bet a £1000 that if you checked the political leanings of the ‘science advisors’ there would be a very heavy concentration of socialists and Marxists amongst them. Yet another strand of the long march amongst the institutions… As Johnson has no integrity or character he would be easy fodder for these ‘science advisors’.

David Beaton
David Beaton
4 years ago

The only question is whether it’s 90% or a straight 100%.

leek
4 years ago

Why do you associate left-leaning politics with believing in climate change crisis, which is supported by strong evidence?

Does that make right-leaning people best described as “not supported by evidence”?

BJs Brain is Missing
4 years ago
Reply to  leek

There is no climate change crisis. Dirty environment? Yes, there is work to be done there, but mankind has no marked effect on the climate. That’s the sun’s job.

Brett_McS
4 years ago

“Stabilize the climate”. Just need to control the ocean currents, the sun, volcanic activity, …

David Beaton
David Beaton
4 years ago
Reply to  Brett_McS

Man as God – the ultimate Overreach.

NeilParkin
4 years ago
Reply to  David Beaton

When we stopped believing in God, we had to replace Him with someone. We chose ourselves…

ComeTheRevolution
ComeTheRevolution
4 years ago

“It is time for us to listen to the warnings of the scientists – and look at Covid, if you want an example of gloomy scientists being proved right.”

So hes either completely dumb and unfit for office, or hes a complete traitor who is unfit for office. Anyone saying stuff like this at this stage in the game is not playing with a full set, or is just a born liar and nefarious operator

David Beaton
David Beaton
4 years ago

I think you have it covered but for a few lecherous details and incidents of cowardice ..

ComeTheRevolution
ComeTheRevolution
4 years ago
Reply to  David Beaton

Reading the article again Im not sure this is a recent comment from Bojo….. Just checked and its not. I thought it seemed too crazy to say this now. Saying something like this just sounds stupid right now, as it has been so convincingly and categorically proven that “the science” is in fact “the bullshit”.

David Beaton
David Beaton
4 years ago

The Red Greens are even more dangerous that the Red Reds. We are in such deep trouble!

Hopeless - "TN,BN"
4 years ago
Reply to  David Beaton

Stir in the Red Blues, to add yet more colour.

MarkPawelek
MarkPawelek
4 years ago

look at Covid, if you want an example of gloomy scientists being proved right.

AKA:
Look a COVID is you want an example of gloomy scientists using models to con the public into accepting their doom-laden scenarios.

I’m told Boris is a smarty. I don’t believe it. Boris is the establishment. Smart people don’t believe ‘scientists‘ or ‘experts‘ without good evidence. Because we know, through experience, they live in Group-Think World™, where policy makers make stuff up to con the public into doing what they want.

Mumbo Jumbo
4 years ago

We are constantly lectured by reality deniers (warmists) that we can’t know because we are not climate scientists. Can anyone explain Vallance’s climate qualifications.

ComeTheRevolution
ComeTheRevolution
4 years ago
Reply to  Mumbo Jumbo

Its more to do with being a fully paid up Freemason, ability to lie through the teeth into the camera, totally vacuous, detached from God, all about the money, as long as I get what I need out of it, its all good. They actively seek out these creatures – useful idiots and dumb pawns and all the rest of it. Its laughable that we allow these deceivers to occupy such important positions. The joke is on us. We are dumb and stupid enough to tolerate this.

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BS665
BS665
4 years ago

Does he have a mind to change?

brachiopod
4 years ago

Anyone else remember all these sudden huge price rises and shortages in the olden days before 2020?
Me neither.
This smacks of the mentality that said “how come all our oil ended up under their sand” during Gulf War One.
We now know that there has been a very large transfer of wealth to the very rich from the rest of us to the tune of over $1tn while most of us weren’t watching because we were being scared by the cold ‘pandemic’.
The question now should be, “how do we take it back”, the answer should be through our elected governments….but they were in on it.

Simon Platt
Simon Platt
4 years ago

Some scientists argue that CO2 loses much of its warming properties as more enters the atmosphere…” Not “some” scientists. That really is beyond dispute – settled, you might say.

TheEngineer
TheEngineer
4 years ago

We should not be governed by scientists, especially when they are using demonstrably flawed modelling to support their case. We also need to consider the intent of the various globalist institutions, especially the UN, in trying to use him to force their policies on us.

Their proposed population reduction in particular is wholly unacceptable especially when they and their cronies choose who is to live and who is to die just as the Nazis did. Who on earth has the moral right to make such decisions?

tom171uk
4 years ago

When the global warming scare started, the focus was on the destruction of rain forests. But it wasn’t long before it became seen as a handy vehicle for promoting other agendas. Even Margaret Thatcher pushed it as it conveniently justified closing down the troublesome coal industry. The automotive industry, having successfully cut emissions of pollutants to very low levels, now found CO2 redefined as a pollutant by the anti-car lobby.

We have seen debate on the issue shut down, with groupthink redefined as ‘consensus’ and global warming rebranded as ‘climate change’. It has been used to justify all sorts of indulgent jamborees and self-promotion. More recently, having discovered that cows fart, the vegan nut jobs have jumped on the wagon to scare the bejesus out of meat eaters.

Does Boris actually believe in it, or has he been persuaded what a useful weapon it is to control his obedient serfs?

Peter W
Peter W
4 years ago

Simples. We just need Neil Ferguson to run some of his guesswork models!