GoFundMe Seizes $10 Million in Donations to Freedom Convoy and Will Distribute to Charities it Deems Fit – Despite Support for BLM Violent Protests

GoFundMe has announced that it is seizing the $10 million Canadian dollars of funds raised on its website for the Canadian Freedom Convoy protest against vaccine mandates and Government overreach and will distribute it to “credible and established charities” reportedly chosen by the convoy organisers and approved by GoFundMe. Tesla CEO Elon Musk accused GoFundMe of hypocrisy as it actively supported a campaign for the Capitol Hill Occupied Protest in Seattle – among numerous other violent woke causes – implying that what makes the difference is not the nature of the protest but whether the company agrees with the cause or comes under political pressure. The Daily Mail the story.

Tesla CEO Elon Musk accused GoFundMe of hypocrisy after the company cancelled the Freedom Convoy fundraiser on Friday after it actively supported a campaign for the Capitol Hill Occupied Protest in Seattle.

The crowdfunding platform claimed the convoy fundraiser – which raised $10million Canadian dollars ($8 million USD) in support of truckers protesting against COVID-19 vaccine mandates – violated its terms of service “which prohibits the promotion of violence and harassment”. 

GoFundMe plans to distribute the remaining $9 million [the reason for the discrepancy in amounts is unclear] of donated funds to “credible and established charities” that were reportedly chosen by the convoy organisers and have been verified by the platform.   

“Double-standard?” Musk questioned on Twitter Friday night, sharing a screenshot of a tweet the crowdfunding platform published in 2020, amid active riots in Seattle.

The Seattle protesters declared an autonomous zone in the city’s Capitol Hill neighborhood. The zone, spanning six city blocks and displaying Black Lives Matter imagery, was established by George Floyd protesters in June 2020 after a tension-filled interactions between demonstrators and police.    

GoFundMe also allowed numerous BLM-related fundraisers, some of which still remain active, that strived to raise funds for protective gear and medical supplies for protesters in the Pacific Northwest. 

The crowdfunding platform, released a statement Friday evening saying: “GoFundMe supports peaceful protests and we believe that was the intention of the Freedom Convoy 2022 fundraiser when it was first created.”

“We now have evidence from law enforcement that the previously peaceful demonstration has become an occupation, with police reports of violence and other unlawful activity.”

The decision to remove the fundraise comes one day after Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau said a military response to the protests that have shut down the nation’s capital was “not in the cards right now” and the House of Commons Public Safety and National Security Committee called on GoFundMe to detail how it would ensure donations weren’t being used to promote extremism and hate.

It remains unclear if Trudeau or his Government lobbied the crowdsourcing company, which did not immediately respond to DailyMail.com’s request for comment.  

In the wake of GoFundMe’s decision, Freedom Convoy organizer Tamara Lich announced Friday night that they have teamed up with GiveSendGo, another online platform, to continue raising funds for the truckers.

“GiveSendGo is going to to enable us to get donations into the hands of truckers much, much quicker,” she said in a video published by Rumble.

“If you can donate and help us keep these truckers going – we plan to be here for the long haul, as long as it takes to ensure that your rights and freedoms are restored.”

GoFundMe suspended the Freedom Convoy fundraiser for internal review on Wednesday after it had accrued more than $10million in donations.

The company had previously released $1 million to organisers after they “provided a clear distribution plan… and confirmed funds would be used only for participants who traveled to Ottawa to participate in a peaceful protest.”

The organisers claimed the funds would be used for expenses such as fuel, food and lodging, with any leftover donations being gifted to a “credible Veterans organisation which will be chosen by the donors.”

GoFundMe announced Friday they will no longer be releasing funds to the organizers because of “how this situation has evolved”.

“No further funds will be directly distributed to the Freedom Convoy organizers,” the company statement read. “We will work with organizers to send all remaining funds to credible and established charities chosen by the Freedom Convoy 2022 organisers and verified by GoFundMe.”

The company said donors have until February 19th to request a refund. 

Worth reading in full.

Stop Press: Following the outcry, GoFundMe has said it will automatically refund all the money to donors without the need to submit a request. Nevertheless, it’s probably worth avoiding GoFundMe from now on if your politics are to the Right of BLM.

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Fraser Nelsons Underpants
Fraser Nelsons Underpants
4 years ago

How is this even legal? How is this not theft? At the very least, GoFundMe could have refunded the donors. But distributing their money to causes they did not donate to and may disagree with seems completely out of order.

Also, these last two years have made it very clear that protests and causes genuinely in support of human rights and freedom will always be smeared and opposed by the establishment. If ever a cause receives establishment approval in the future I will question why.

HelzBelz
4 years ago

You beat me to it, surely this is totally illegal?

lds001
4 years ago

I agree – my first thought.

I for one will NEVER support anything on gofundme again. Literally day light robbery

huxleypiggles
4 years ago
Reply to  lds001

Same here. I have supported causes via GoFund…never again.

This is theft. It is stealing and whoever runs GoFund should be arrested and charged accordingly.

Emerald Fox
4 years ago
Reply to  huxleypiggles

Let’s have a list of the names then, and their addresses. Who made the decision to steal the money for the truckers’ cause?

Draper233
4 years ago
Reply to  huxleypiggles

But no different to what governments have been doing over the last 2 years with taxpayer’s money (both present and future).

Come to think of it, when have governments not done it?

watersider
4 years ago
Reply to  Draper233

Yes – how dare they steal our money, that is the government’s job.

Mr Taxpayer
Mr Taxpayer
4 years ago
Reply to  lds001

Should anyone approach me to fund their skydive, marathon etc via GoFundMe, I’ll decline and tell them why.

Paul B
4 years ago

You can get a refund, but you have to request it before the deadline.

Emerald Fox
4 years ago
Reply to  Paul B

After the deadline you can still go round to their homes and extract your money in one way or another. Send in the bailiffs if they can’t pay, or don’t want to. Take their cars.

TSull
TSull
4 years ago
Reply to  Paul B

You shouldn’t have to request a refund. If your chosen cause is blacklisted by GoFundMe, the amount you paid in should be refunded automatically.

Rogerborg
4 years ago
Reply to  Paul B

With respect, all that we can say for sure is that you can request a refund.

Whether you’ll get it or not is a very different question.

Trust, like virginity, is a one time deal.

gavinfdavies
gavinfdavies
4 years ago

Agreed.

Also, I was just thinking of you the other day haven’t seen you on the speccy comments for ages it seems.

David101
4 years ago

It is legal. The money is being refunded automatically without the need for a request. On one level, it’s the same as being refunded ticket money for a theatre show that gets cancelled. However, the double standards argument is correct, and $10 million probably means millions of donors, who will probably never use the platform again. But I don’t understand how a comprehensive refund can happen and also redistribute the funds to charities it sees fit. They can’t do both! #confused

LMS2
4 years ago
Reply to  David101

The refunds are only occurring because of the outcry. Until then, they were going to donate the funds to causes of their own choosing.

X - In Search of Space
X - In Search of Space
4 years ago
Reply to  LMS2

Modern-day Robin Hood’s, bless them. So nice to have such high principled defenders of fairness and justice.

[Sick-bag please!]

karenovirus
4 years ago

“How is this legal/not theft?”

Probably covered by T&Cs but any consumer contract can be challenged about unfair small print however freely entered into.

I can see Regulators taking an interest in this unilateral expropriation of consumer funds and perhaps they will be forced to include in future advertising

“GoFundMe will realocate your donation if we decide your chosen recipient is unsuitable”.
Even though GoFundMe accepted them as a client on the first place and presumably did DUE DILIGENCE.

I imagine there are many GFM clients worried about their future income now that company has sullied its reputation with GFM investors concerned for the same reason.

At least alternatives to GFM have been given free publicity.

LMS2
4 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

I can see regulators turning a blind eye. Can’t have the plebs rising up and challenging the New World Order and being well funded to do so.

LMS2
4 years ago

I believe it’s in GFM’s t&cs that they can redirect donations if they decide to.
Time for them to be boycotted: get woke, go broke.

tom171uk
4 years ago

Of course it’s theft. Presumably state approved theft. So that’s OK then!

czerwonadupa
czerwonadupa
4 years ago

Maybe they heard BLM have lost $60,000,000 dollars & needed a refill?

The Dogman
The Dogman
4 years ago

I think this may be out of date. I received an email this morning saying my donation would be refunded. If you want to contribute, you can do so via Give Send Go, Freedom Convoy 22.

doobedoobedo
doobedoobedo
4 years ago
Reply to  The Dogman

There’s been stuff everywhere telling people not to go for the refund but to get a chargeback from their bank which will cost GoFundme $10-15 a time.

mwhite
4 years ago
Reply to  doobedoobedo

Just seen this

GoFundMe steals Trucker Convoy donations — Fight back « JoNova (joannenova.com.au)

If you have donated via GoFundMe, please contact your bank and dispute the charge to your credit card or bank account. That will mean GoFundMe will need to return the money and pay a fee of $15USD.”

*UPDATE: In a panic GoFundMe now says it will offer refunds to donors “automatically”. Perhaps the thought of 120,000 donors demanding chargebacks with fees was a bit frightening, or it might be all the people reporting the group to Attorney Generals and asking for investigations into what is surely illegal?”



Amtrup
4 years ago
Reply to  mwhite

Brilliant.

Milo
Milo
4 years ago
Reply to  mwhite

share far and wide!

Bella Donna
4 years ago
Reply to  doobedoobedo

Great idea!

beornwulf
beornwulf
4 years ago
Reply to  The Dogman

They seem to be taking only US dollars. Is there a way of contributing through sterling?

ElSabio
4 years ago
mishmash
4 years ago

“We will work with organizers to send all remaining funds to credible and established charities chosen by the Freedom Convoy 2022 organisers”

Ask the people you’re stealing from who their stolen money should be given to?

The Rule of Pricks
The Rule of Pricks
4 years ago

The have to refund as they only hold the money in trust and don’t have ownership of it

Or they would in this country anyway – UK

It doesn’t change the fact that Gofundme will only collect money for their ‘chosen’ causes though…..never use them!

jingleballix
4 years ago

Doubtless done in collusion with the Canadian government, with their legal advice and with a promise of compensation – because GFM’s reputation will be absolutely trashed, and losses will be staggering.

This is what is at stake for Trudeau and his WEF-dominated cabinet…….indeed the WEF and Gates dominated plan to jab the world.

Little people failing to comply, protesting and sharing resources is a direct threat to what they have planned for us……and they will breach moral codes and the law, and abuse their power to do it.

original poster
original poster
4 years ago
Reply to  jingleballix

The WEFs plan is to have a few favoured giant corporations in each industry so that people will have no choice but to use their products/services. That will end our ability to vote with our wallets.

Emerald Fox
4 years ago
Reply to  jingleballix

Is Trudeau still hiding? Isn’t it time to hunt him down and drag him out? His bodyguards are also traitors against the people of Canada.

John001
John001
4 years ago
Reply to  Emerald Fox

Time to make a citizen’s arrest? One of the ‘joys’ of the English legal system.

Entirely peaceful … arrest him and arrange for him to go on trial.

A sentence of 40 years without parole should do it. Just my opinion …

PartyTime
4 years ago
Reply to  jingleballix

I wonder if there will come a time before long when being associated with the WEF will make a politician unelectable.

Milo
Milo
4 years ago
Reply to  PartyTime

too many people don’t know anything about the WEF, the role it has played in all of this and what it is doing for people to work that out.

stewart
4 years ago

I guess I won’t ever be using GoFund Me ever again.

They clearly can’t guarantee they won’t just steal my money and redirect it somewhere else.

But hey this just one of dozens of things that have changed in the last 2 years. One more thing you never imagined in a million years could happen and is actually happening.

What terrifies me is that I’m no longer in the least bit surprised.

Amtrup
4 years ago
Reply to  stewart

Yes, it is frightening to basically have no faith or trust in any large public or private institution/entity anymore.

Annie
4 years ago

Who will use GoRobMe after this?

Amtrup
4 years ago
Reply to  Annie

Great new name for them! 🙂

MrkMtchll
MrkMtchll
4 years ago
Reply to  Amtrup

should be GoFudgeMe or something similar.

Cecil B
Cecil B
4 years ago

DeFundMe

PoshPanic
4 years ago
Reply to  Cecil B

I hope the markets do just that when they reopen

LMS2
4 years ago
Reply to  PoshPanic

They’ve done that to Farcebook. Zuckerberg was close to tears, apparently. Couldn’t happen to a more worthy person.

Milo
Milo
4 years ago
Reply to  LMS2

Well you’d be miserable too if you lost 31billion dollars overnight and unable to fund your next yacht or helicopter purchase or trip to space.

Meta not working out quite so well for him then…

Emerald Fox
4 years ago
Reply to  Milo

Mark Zuckerberg’s Metaverse:

https://youtu.be/Ibm3WhfLk08

Amtrup
4 years ago
Reply to  Cecil B

Also good! 🙂 lol

Mark
4 years ago

When you understand just how corrupt the leftist, collectivist, globalist and politically correct elites in government and in big business are, and how duped the masses are by their ideological lies, the only solution is to look for principled groups outside the leftist consensus. They are only ones you can trust to at least try to resist the dictats of power.

People motivated by principles that make them resistant to elite pressure, whether government or business.Some Christian groups are appropriate, in the current zeitgeist.

Alter Ego
Alter Ego
4 years ago
Reply to  Mark

Don’t let the “right” off the hook by pretending that they are really “left” (if those terms mean anything any more).

Mark
4 years ago
Reply to  Alter Ego

They certainly have meaning, as discussed here at length on occasion. But I see no significant forces in the state or in big business that are effectively opposing the almost universally dominant Blairite leftism (globalism, collectivism, political correctness, wokism in general, hatred of anything that tends to be conservative – family, religion, patriotism) at the moment.

You are likely to be sacked, harassed or imprisoned for expressing conservative or traditionalist points of view, or have your business shut down by big corporate power if you are explicitly conservative, but not if you are leftist.

Alter Ego
Alter Ego
4 years ago
Reply to  Mark

Once upon a time, not so long ago, the leftists were the ones opposing the greed of big corporate power. At some point, those who regarded themselves as their leaders turned “leftism” into absurd jiggery-pokery wokery, and decided that what used to be called the working classes were unworthy fools.

Mark
4 years ago
Reply to  Alter Ego

The leftists were always what they are now – people who arrogantly believe they know how best to build the world better, and are willing to smash any resistance to radical change because their cause is just. The right were always what they are now – the various people and institutions who resisted the left. At various times, leftists have had more or less justice in the particular reforms they we pursuing, and that was generally the basis of political debate. At the present time, the left (in its Blairite, woke form) is utterly dominant, with our political, academic, business, social, and cultural elites all by and large pushing the leftist agendas to a greater or lesser degree There might have been times when siding with the left was the right thing to do. Now is not one of those times. “not so long ago, the leftists were the ones opposing the greed of big corporate power” And mostly pushing, as the alternative, brute, crushing state and union power, whether knowingly or not. But even when not, they were actively trying to destroy any institutions that resisted the radical changes they were determined to push through. That is their definitional… Read more »

Alter Ego
Alter Ego
4 years ago
Reply to  Mark

Most of the leftists I knew (admittedly in the last century) were neither arrogant nor stupid. They fought for freedom of speech and opposed brute power of any kind.
The ones I still know, with some exceptions, are vehemently opposed to the lockdowns and mandates, and give upticks to you and many others on this site (including, when he was here, “Anti-Socialist”). People are more complicated than any label.

LMS2
4 years ago
Reply to  Alter Ego

The leftists you know probably have more in common nowadays with the classic conservative right, which is why the likes of Dave Rubin, Russell Brand have now found favour on the right.
Many ordinary people on the Left in the sixties and seventies were in favour of free speech and defending human rights. The Left have morphed into an intolerant coalition of power-hungry authoritarians. They no longer defend free speech or anyone’s rights bar their own. But maybe that’s how it always ends up, e.g. Soviet Russia, the Eastern communist block, North Korea, China, etc.

Mark
4 years ago
Reply to  LMS2

Many ordinary people on the Left in the sixties and seventies were in favour of free speech and defending human rights.

On free speech you can argue coherently that in the sixtiers and seventies the conservatives were against free speech and the leftists were pushing for it, because they saw breaking the controls on blasphemy and pornography as a way to destroy structures they felt were in their way.

When the left became the establishment those who were merely pushing free speech as an instrument turned on a sixpence and now see controls on supposed “hate speech” as a way to suppress dissent from their agendas, and are now confident the state and big business jackboots will never descend on them.

Anyone truly in favour of free speech as a priority would, as you suggest, be with the anti-woke right, today.

cornubian
4 years ago
Reply to  Mark

In 1968, when students in Paris revolted, they tore the city apart carrying banners that read “Marx/Mao/Marcuse.” In 1965 Marcuse developed the concept of ‘Repressive Tolerance’, which is the ideology underpinning the drive to silence, by any means possible, any and all opposition to their cultural Marxist agenda.

Mark
4 years ago
Reply to  cornubian

Your point being that even as far back as the 1960s there were authoritarian leftists fighting to suppress free speech? Fair enough. Though my recollection of the wider UK political divide in the 1969s and 1970s, when I became aware of it, is as I described previously, nevertheless.

Mark
4 years ago
Reply to  Alter Ego

People are more complicated than any label.”

Of course they are (as much those on the right as on the left). But that doesn’t mean you can’t make meaningful comments about the forces at work in the world.

If you support freedom of speech and oppose brute power in the US today and you don’t support the Republican Party, then you are probably doing your cause harm without understanding how. That’s because the way the issues align at this moment, they are pushing back against the main threats to freedom of speech and to basic political liberty, which come form the Democrat aligned elites. In this country you have no mainstream party to support, because they all push woke globalist panics and collectivist state power, so it’s necessary to look amongst the fringe parties if you want political representation.

There were times in the past when that wasn’t true. and doubtless there will be times in the future when it again won’t be true. But that’s how it is today.

Alter Ego
Alter Ego
4 years ago
Reply to  Mark

In general, I agree. I prefer to see the enemy as authoritarianism, rather than the “left” or “right” (at any time), in the interests of building as broad a coalition as possible.
Authoritarianism comes from all directions and it’s always dangerous. Very interesting things happen to those who become “the establishment”.

Mark
4 years ago
Reply to  Alter Ego

That’s fair enough, and resisting authoritarianism is usually a good thing. But a deeper understanding of politics is beneficial I think, otherwise there’s a likelihood of falling for manipulative nonsense like the idea that the Blairites were “not left wing”, that so many fell for. Their rival faction on the left liked it because they thought it would help them to recapture the institutions of the left that they’d lost to the Blairites and the Blairites themselves understood that pretending to be the “moderate centre”, between the old left and the “Conservative” supposed right, was the route to power. It worked, and with the final submission of the “Conservative” Party hierarchy after 2005, we’ve had Blairites in office pretty much continuously since 1997.

Especially there’s a need for old lefties to understand it. They struggle to raise their heads out of the Marxist class-based, ownership is all tripe that they were indoctrinated to think was the be all and end all of politics. Too many of them could never see past that, which played a big part in their repeated utter routs by the Blairites.

Gigavaxxed
Gigavaxxed
4 years ago
Reply to  Alter Ego

The name Anti-Socialist can only mean that they’re a fascist. And that doesn’t have anything to do with the left even though they might call it on wikipedia national socialism it has nothing to do with socialism.

X - In Search of Space
X - In Search of Space
4 years ago
Reply to  Mark

The leftists were always what they are now – people who arrogantly believe they know how best to build the world better, and are willing to smash any resistance to radical change because their cause is just.

100%

Cecil B
Cecil B
4 years ago

Rumours circulating that Mr T and his family fled to Australia when the troops refused to fire on the freedom fighters

ElSabio
4 years ago
Reply to  Cecil B

Link?

ElSabio
4 years ago
Reply to  ElSabio

LOL Two down-votes for asking for a link?!

stevie119
4 years ago
Reply to  ElSabio

Impolitely….

ElSabio
4 years ago
Reply to  stevie119

Oh please, please, pretty please can you please give me a link to prove that the rumour isn’t just a rumour drifting through the air like so much wishful thinking?

nbritt58
4 years ago
Reply to  Cecil B

Turdeau would feel at home in the world’s largest concentration camp.

Mark
4 years ago
Reply to  nbritt58

I hear he likes the uniform

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ElSabio
4 years ago
Reply to  Mark

He’ll never live all this down.

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Occams Pangolin Pie
4 years ago
Reply to  Mark

Macron’s Marauders?

X - In Search of Space
X - In Search of Space
4 years ago
Reply to  Mark

That technicolour swastika is right on.

Nessimmersion
4 years ago
Reply to  Cecil B

Nope he came down with the scariant below

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mwhite
4 years ago
Reply to  Cecil B

I had to

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ElSabio
4 years ago

That donation site seems to be having a few problems right now. Probably being hit by TPTB….

https://www.givesendgo.com/FreedomConvoy2022

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DodosArentDead
4 years ago
Reply to  ElSabio

Yes 100% will be a concerted effort.

LMS2
4 years ago
Reply to  DodosArentDead

Facebook fact checked the British Medical Journal and said it was spreading disinformation.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=vBpbV2TGbac
REPORT: Facebook Vs British Medical Journal Pfizer trial whistleblower article

Facebook has also lost around $200+billion in stock market value in one day, and is losing users.
What a shame, never mind.

X - In Search of Space
X - In Search of Space
4 years ago
Reply to  LMS2

Facebook has also lost around $200+billion in stock market value in one day, and is losing users.

Now that’s what I call good news.

X - In Search of Space
X - In Search of Space
4 years ago
Reply to  DodosArentDead

Never used FB or Twatter. Never will. A blight on society.

Occams Pangolin Pie
4 years ago
Reply to  ElSabio

I was reading an interesting article on Herr Schwab’s and his father’s connection with a Swiss German engineering company. Daddy Eugen (quite a suggestive name) seem to have run the factory in Ravensburg during WWII, and used labour that was very possibly less than keen to work there.

Thereafter, according to this lengthy article, young Klaus went on to work with the same august company, which was by then providing items for the South African nuclear arms industry.
Can anyone provide the link? It’s well worth a read if you can track it down.

rockoman
rockoman
4 years ago

delete

LMS2
4 years ago
Reply to  rockoman

Klaus Schwab strolling along a beach. Not for the faint hearted (or recently vaccinated).

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X - In Search of Space
X - In Search of Space
4 years ago
Reply to  LMS2

Eeeek!!!
What must any aliens think, observing us?

Occams Pangolin Pie
4 years ago
Reply to  rockoman

Not a member of the Free Speech Union then?

ElSabio
4 years ago
Reply to  rockoman

Ahem….

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Occams Pangolin Pie
4 years ago
Reply to  PartyTime

That’s the one. Looks legit to me, but maybe it’s not been Fact Checked enough by Klaus Schwab and Melinda and Tony?

Occams Pangolin Pie
4 years ago

Unlimited Hangout with Whitney Webb. The piece is by Johnny Vedmore.

Mark
4 years ago

“Double-standard?” 

Duh!

nbritt58
4 years ago

I regard this as theft. I donated for a specific purpose – to support the truckers, not for Canadian charities. I will never donate through GoFundMe again because I can never be sure where my money will actually go. #DefundGoFundMe

John Dee
4 years ago

I think GoFundMe may just have shat on its own doorstep.
In future, to be avoided like the Plague.

NonCompliant
4 years ago

I did think using GoFuckMe was a bad move so no surprise really. You can donate to them here now and these guys won’t pull it !

https://www.givesendgo.com/FreedomConvoy2022

Occams Pangolin Pie
4 years ago

Hey Go Fund Me!
Go Fund yourselves!

DodosArentDead
4 years ago

Latest updates on Freedom Convoy.
https://mobile.twitter.com/hashtag/nomorelockdowns

Milo
Milo
4 years ago
Reply to  DodosArentDead

Brilliant – the farmers joining in to reject the globalists plans – no wonder MSM is so quiet about it.

Are you watching GB News – start covering it before it is too late!

DodosArentDead
4 years ago
Reply to  Milo

Love GB News. Don’t always agree but refreshing to have all sides of an argument.

Paul B
4 years ago

Imagine my shock! It’ll come as a massive surprise to all here I’m sure but apparently they were using worthless/fraudulent 45 cycle thresholds in PCR tests. Never!!

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2022/02/04/shambolic-covid-pcr-testing-rules-meant-one-three-isolated-never/

CynicalRealist
4 years ago
Reply to  Paul B

How surprising!

Pro Heneghan is quoted in the article:

Accurately knowing who is infectious is incredibly important for people going about their daily lives, the economy, our social lives and our wellbeing.

Have to say that – unusually – I very much disagree with his point. It’s really not important, in the same way as we don’t obsess over people who may or may not have a cold or flu.

Paul B
4 years ago
Reply to  CynicalRealist

I’ve found him not to be that great throughout, he’s a bit too Julia Heartly Brewer for me, can’t resist throwing out a ‘our world beating vaccine roll-out’ every appearance.

Milo
Milo
4 years ago
Reply to  CynicalRealist

I will never forget the moment when I heard my normally level headed scientific sister say that it was important to know the number of cases of covid. When I asked why [thinking I didn’t need to explain in depth that the testing is fraudulent and a lot of the positive ‘cases’ were false] she said “so you know where it is spreading”.

That was the moment that I knew she was lost. And then she got jabbed.

Bella Donna
4 years ago
Reply to  Paul B

We knew the PCR test was fraudulent all the time but TPTB were happy to use it to prolong a pandemic that never was!

Milo
Milo
4 years ago
Reply to  Bella Donna

but quick to swop it out for LFTs everywhere when they wanted to control the “reopening” – for their purposes.

smithey
4 years ago

Surely that is theft?

Moist Von Lipwig
4 years ago

Not despite, because of the BLM riots.

They’re kindred looters in spirit.

BillRiceJr
BillRiceJr
4 years ago

More evidence the crooked Establishment is terrified of this trucker protest for freedom and wants to shut it down before it spreads.

Cristi.Neagu
4 years ago

This is blatant theft. I would maybe, kinda, sort of understand if they returned the money, but to take the money and do with it as they wish? Heck no, I would be suing them for theft.

Milo
Milo
4 years ago
Reply to  Cristi.Neagu

And making a big noise about doing so.

Hopeless - "TN,BN"
4 years ago

Apparently there’s been such a furore over this stealing by Gofundme that they have decided they will automatically refund donor money , rather than people have to ask for it back.

I’ve never used this outfit to donate, and they can take a running jump. Unfortunately that will affect people who deserve to receive donations, but as far as I can see, there’s not much difference between Gofundme and Organised Crime (or Governments!).

CynicalRealist
4 years ago

Is it actually because of the furore or the potential for a massive cost to them in bank chargeback fees?

Hopeless - "TN,BN"
4 years ago
Reply to  CynicalRealist

I rather think that it’s the former, as apparently the internet is lit up with people outraged by this action.

Hopeless - "TN,BN"
4 years ago

Part of an email from El Gato Malo about this is attached. I can’t get it all in legibly, a pity as his remarks on this episode are well worth reading.

gofundme-el gato malo.jpg
Mark
4 years ago

“GoFundMe also allowed numerous BLM-related fundraisers”

Ingraham: BLM under investigation

Let’s not forget that BLM is a thoroughly evil organisation based upon a lie, a modern blood libel, against the US police and US society in general, asserting contrary to clear statistical facts that they selectively murder black people for “racist” reasons.

That huge numbers of well intentioned or politically delusional people around the world fell for it is hardly surprising now, given the similar gullibility over the covid panic and the climate alarmist panic. It’s generally all about virtue signalling and wanting to align with the elite-approved, status indicating position.

John001
John001
4 years ago
Reply to  Mark

Always spread one’s bets. I hope the lorry drivers (NB the British term) can find two companies to accept further funds on their behalf. Then if one gives problems, they still have the second option.

Catherine Austin Fitts’s talks seem more and more relevant. Use local banks/credit unions if possible. Or in the UK, maybe use a mutual like Nationwide for the current account and not a ‘big four’ bank. If not Nationwide, use a small bank.

Aletheia of Oceania
Aletheia of Oceania
4 years ago
Reply to  John001

Nationwide are mutually woke.

Paul B
4 years ago
Reply to  Mark

Hey now! BLM has empowered many POCs into home ownership… It just happened to be mansions, and about 7 of them per person.

Julian
4 years ago

https://consult.justice.gov.uk/human-rights/human-rights-act-reform/

Just responding to the consultation for the “modern bill of rights” in the UK. Trying to emphasise individual freedom over collectivist “common good” stuff which is clearly dangerous, as we have seen. You have until the 8th March.

rayc
rayc
4 years ago

If Musk wanted to make a statement, he would simply drop $10M himself…

Milo
Milo
4 years ago
Reply to  rayc

and not miss it

rayc
rayc
4 years ago

The right question to ask is:

Why does donating money to someone today have to involve some fucking intermediary? Surely a bank account would do?

Mark
4 years ago
Reply to  rayc

The right question to ask is:
Why does donating money to someone today have to involve some fucking intermediary? Surely a bank account would do?

You need to know which bank account to drop it in though.

rayc
rayc
4 years ago
Reply to  Mark

Publish it through your own website? It’s not that hard, really.

Mark
4 years ago
Reply to  rayc

How does a typical wellwisher hundreds or even thousands of miles away know which seemingly worthy websites are more likely than not to be genuine and which not?

That’s the service funding platforms provide (to some degree, at least). There are no absolute guarantees, for sure.

rayc
rayc
4 years ago
Reply to  Mark

By checking the domain owner and/or SSL certificate? At least that’s what these things are for. Also, the bank account holder. The same due dilligence you do while shopping online, basically. Oh wait… most people don’t – and that’s why we have monopolies like Amazon/eBay. Pardon, I forgot.

Mark
4 years ago
Reply to  rayc

“Oh wait… most people don’t 

Indeed. The vast majority wouldn’t have a clue about that kind of thing (though nominal domain owner is only one small part of checking authenticity in this kind of thing, anyway). Hence, as I said, the demand for (admittedly largely imaginary) reassurance from companies like GoFundMe.

stewart
4 years ago
Reply to  rayc

Taxes? Banking restrictions?

Do you deal much with banks and tax authorities these days?

Setting up a company, charity or whatever takes time. Any individual who all of a sudden starts receiving “unusual” amounts of funds in their account will automatically have it blocked and would need to justify the source and purpose of funds.

Most people aren’t really aware of this, but long before covid, our freedom has been clamped down on big time by financial institutions – pushed by states and large corporations – under the pretence of stopping illegal activity.

Try doing anything unusual with your bank account. Or even not that unusual, just substantial. Financial freedom was lost long before we started losing our health freedom.

rayc
rayc
4 years ago
Reply to  stewart

None of the problems you mention are in any way eliminated by opting in to receive payments through some scammy Internet marketing company. If you have trouble sending your donation overseas, you could use PayPal. Or crypto (although that option obviously reduces the number of potential donors, so should be only used as extra).

Emerald Fox
4 years ago
Reply to  rayc

Why not just give the truckers food, accommodation, and pay to fill their trucks up with fuel? Get the money from the MPs!

stewart
4 years ago
Reply to  Emerald Fox

Ok. You make the list of truckers with their account details and organise the donations so they are distributed fairly. 🙂

stewart
4 years ago
Reply to  rayc

None of the problems you mention are in any way eliminated by opting in to receive payments through some scammy Internet marketing company.

Well, yeah. As we’ve all discovered. But prior to this episode, it was assumed it was a channel to raise funds without bumping into those problems.

In any case, you’ve answered your own question. They don’t send it directly to someone’s bank account because it doesn’t work.

rtaylor
4 years ago

Am not surprised. Please research getting your own at home bitcoin node on a Pi computer. Run your own lightning payment channel. 99.9% less transaction fee’s, sometimes zero if it is peer to peer.

The quicker we get off self serving market-makers the quicker more of your money will work for you. Stop using these evil woke platforms and I include Paypal, who won’t be long behind GoFundMeWhateverISay I suspect.

stewart
4 years ago
Reply to  rtaylor

Unfortunately the on and off ramps for bitcoin and other crypto are also highly regulated. And as a medium of exchange they are very limited. So you’re still under the same scrutiny and control.

Cash continues to be the freest form of money.

rtaylor
4 years ago
Reply to  stewart

https://getumbrel.com/

Once you have your crypto off the exchanges you are not controlled.