Israel Covid ICU Admissions Hit Record Level Despite High Vaccination Rates and Early Booster Campaign
Covid ICU admissions in Israel hit record levels this week, reaching 130.5 per million on January 26th 2022, topping a previous peak of 127.1 per million on January 19th 2021. Why is this, when Omicron is milder and most of the country is now vaccinated whereas last winter almost none of it was?
At the previous peak only 6% of the country were double-vaccinated. Now 65% are, plus 46% are triple-vaccinated and around 8% are quadruple vaccinated. Israel was also first out the block with its booster campaigns. If the purpose of the vaccination programme was to relieve pressure on the health service – and recall it was supposed to be a two-dose vaccine, not three or four doses – it’s hard to see how it has helped much.
Having said that, the number of patients in ICU is still only around two thirds of the peak level, suggesting the stays may be shorter.
Also, deaths are currently less than half the peak – though as Dr. Noah Carl points out, this is higher than you would expect from 95% effective vaccines.
It’s also noteworthy that Israel has not seen any obvious reduction in all-cause mortality since the vaccines were rolled out.
It’s not just Israel. Highly vaccinated U.S. states in the North, West and East are also seeing record Covid hospital admissions.
True, many of these will be incidental admissions. But deaths are also high in many of those states.
Taken together, the picture is not exactly what those who saw vaccines as the solution to the pandemic will have expected. There is also the outstanding question of why non-Covid excess mortality in Europe and elsewhere has been so high since the summer.
Further investigation is needed.
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“The jabs don’t really do much”……2,000 dead and 1,400,000 adverse reactions in the UK alone …probably underestimated by a factor of ten…….. so not much really I suppose. Just more than any other experimental vaccination programme in history and obviously a ‘green light’ indication that its time to extend the jab to small children – Fauci wants the babies next! ( see his own reported comments).
lower all-caused mortality in the placebo group should mean no mass rollout
Beggars belief they’re still pushing this poison.
Not when you realise it is on instruction from their controllers at the UN and WEF.
Clearly, when your mask has failed, you put on two masks. And when your vaccine has failed, you inject more vaccines.
Weren’t you always telling us to get vaccinated? I am pleased you now realise they don’t work.
They do work, temporarily. Which only means they make sense for old and vulnerable people – and nobody else.
The “vaccines” cause immune system collapse for the first two or three weeks after jabbing. That will be a one way ticket to oblivion for many of those old and vulnerable people.
Yes exactly, time to treat Covid as we do influenza.
Blood clots strokes and myocarditis don’t ‘make sense’ for anyone – neither does the strong possibility of an immune system destroyed by rampaging spike proteins and developing cancers ( for all ages!)
Do we know that Natural Immunity can be achieved by a ‘jabbed’ person as the jab may have compromised their immunity system?
A good question. For quite a while the UKHSA virus surveillance reports would state that the N antibodies (indicating infection, as opposed to the S antibodies, which indicates vaxx-produced anti-spike protein antibodies) waned more quickly in people who had been double-vaxxed and they didn’t know what the significance of that was.
Virus surveillance report Week 4 dated 27 January 2022 now says
“(iii) recent observations from UK Health Security Agency (UKHSA) surveillance data that N antibody levels are lower in individuals who acquire infection following 2 doses of vaccination. These lower N antibody responses in individuals with breakthrough infections (post-vaccination) compared to primary infection likely reflect the shorter and milder infections in these patients. Patients with breakthrough infections do have significant increases in S antibody levels consistent with boosting of their antibody levels.”
So now they’ve come up with an explanation, but it strikes me as odd that the low level of N antibodies means the infection was mild, but nevertheless the S antibodies were increased. I would have thought that indicated that the immune system was focusing on the spike protein only and not the whole virus. Which would explain the break-through infections.
Obviously not if they have to have boosters every few months. The really sad thing about this if people stopped harming their own immune systems we’d be over this man made scamdemic a lot sooner.
I doubt that, because this is a scamdemic – designed to grab everyone and shake all the money out of their pockets.
I don’t think many still realise how serious the ‘Vaxx Passes’ are – my view is that they really have gained a foothold and are here to stay. So far there has been no sign of that control system being got rid of.
Vaccines and Covid may come and go in ‘waves’ – but like the scars from chickenpox, the Vaxx Passes will be permanent.
The Vaxx Pass system must be destroyed in its entirety. The Passes are the shackles for the slaves.
It will depend on whether this police investigation linked below, is undertaken in a proper manner. If it is, then the Vaxx passes will not happen and many of the main offenders will end up in jail. This case needs to be much more widely known and it is likely the complicit MSM will continue to ignore it. https://www.globalresearch.ca/u-k-vaccine-crime-investigation-metropolitan-police-and-international-criminal-court-icc/5768482
Why the use of despite when you mean because?
Quite. The data looks pretty clear on this, the shots are driving the pandemic. Without the vaxxed going round unknowingly spreading their illness over everyone, many of whom are now immune compromised, this would have been all over by now.
Vaccine-makers will always have an excuse. So here they will say that restrictions were tighter this time last year and the relaxing of restrictions now has led to higher rates etc. Yet the same people would be crafting a completely different narrative if rates/deaths/hospitalisations etc were now very low. “Oh the vaccines are working,” would be their response.
So they have their cake and eat it and most of the media are too thick to question them.
Essentially they are full of shit and making it up as they go along.
Should compare with India and South Africa.
Countries which didn’t follow or believe the advice and models and seem to have better outcomes than those that have mass injected the failed prophylactic.
Remember when the BBC and Guardian tried to convince us all half of India was going to die last summer and then … they didn’t. Wonder what happened.
Ivermectin happened
Yep, the buggers never follow up if it goes the other way. In fact, do any of them report good stuff?
It’s just sleaze, trivia or negativity.
Ivermectin happened.
The BBC and the Guardian lied – they always do- we have got used to it
News blackout .
The ‘Five Eyes’ and Western Europe seem to be particular victims of the structured and prepared insanity …just a “coincidence” of course…like the falling footballers and myocarditis suddenly appearing for the first time in children?
That BHF advert – young girl footballer collapsing – is disgusting!
It is literally obscene and ought to be pulled!
The low-life who produced it are despicable.
Cynical obfuscation.
Precisely.
“Media are too thick”? There are people like Oliver Wright at the Times (muppets) who have reported on big pharma corruption previously but won’t be asked to write similar pieces now. The msm don’t want to ask the difficult questions on things that would upset the narrative too much. They know which side their bread is buttered (for now). What was that story the other day about a piece in the Daily Mail paid for by the UK government to try and persuade the booster “hesitant”? Loadsa money. That’s a likelier explanation than being thick (though there may be a bit of that as well). Omerta.
This can all be explained by two things…
1) The vaccines are snake oil. They simply do not work. At best they have a placebo effect. At worst they have wholly negative efficacy and cause long term harm.
2) Any decrease in severity in terms of hospitalisation or death is wholly attributable to the natural mutation of all viruses into more benign forms.
Of course, the politicians went all in on vaccines so they are desperate to save face by trying to claim that decrease in severity is all because of their glorious drug experiment.
The so-called vaccines are more snake venom than snake oil.
I am surprised that you still feel so forgiving towards those who have clearly been planning all this under clearly orchestrated direction at a Global level for a very long time.
The mounting evidence from so many sources is simply incontrovertible.
Completely missing the point. The “vaccines” have been a great success for those pushing them: illness, deaths and looming mass infertility.
If this had been the clinical trial for EUA, and Israel allowed the rest of the world to test these out, would the people be rushing for theirs here now? Would the government be so amazed by this data that they’d be running forward to buy hundreds of millions of doses?
The failure is so stark I can only think it undermines the whole theoretical model of mRNA vaccines, if not vaccines as a solution to such problems in general.
And I think I am still being generous here. It could be that the jig is finally up for these Pharma companies
If the jig isn’t up, well it should be. Also those with big money, who are backing and pushing Big Pharma in this madness, need to be taken down and locked away for the rest of their natural lives. Hopefully the winds of change are now beginning to blow.
It’s like we’re living through a ‘live’ exercise where the great and the good are demonstrating to one another what not to do in such a scenario. Virtually everything they have done has been an unmitigated disaster.
There are no “great and good “any longer.
I’m using the term in the ironic sense.
And my comment was tinged with sadness and disillusion.
So you did not misunderstand the sense in which I was using the term? You just wanted to express your sadness that there is no longer a genuine ‘great and good’?
Okay 🙂
I think the term is ‘ironic by nature’ – the sadness is that human nature determines there never has been a ‘great and good’ – it only exists in the minds of optimists and the naive.
If only there were a “great and good” we would not be in this current dystopian situation and that is very sad.
But then “All’s for the best in the in the best of all possible worlds” Isn’t it?
I agree in that we can no longer claim to have distinguished and worthy leaders (which is how I understand ‘the great and the good’ in its unironic sense), and I certainly don’t see it as an invention of optimists or the naive. I think it is arguable that we once had such leaders.
I don’t agree that such a concept violates the Christian understanding of human nature and original sin. Historically, ‘the great and the good’ was not meant to communicate some inherent goodness in these ‘distinguished and worthy’ leaders. It’s not making a claim about human nature.
I don’t think that in the big scheme of things society’s bigwigs have ever been particularly great and good and that the current lot are especially worse than previous ones. I would say that every generation of “leaders” has abused the plebs and taken advantage of them as much as circumstances allowed. Just think what a hideous bunch of incompetents and psychopaths the leaders of the warring nations in WWI must have been to dispose of fellow humans the way they did, throwing wave after wave of humanity to be shredded by guns and canon. Simply insane. And antisemitism only became unacceptable after WWII when the horrors of the holocaust were discovered. In the run up to WWII, it’s not as if the persecution of jews was a big secret. Jews were discriminated everywhere, it’s just that the Germans took it to a whole new level. A bit like the persecution of those without a covid jab. It is frowned upon to be unjabbed pretty much everywhere. It’s only that the Germans (and their spiritual leaders the Austrians) have taken it to a whole other level. The problem is that society never learns. We continue to put our faith in… Read more »
Yes …the ‘inconvenient truth’ is that anti-semitism was rife in all European countries and the US from the late 19th century up to WW2 – it was never a specifically German problem – in fact on the contrary, German Jews fought with distinction in the Kaiser’s Army ( he himself was anti-semitic) and were some of the most integrated in Europe and so the Nazi Terror was a big shock to them.
Poland, Austria and France ( Dreyfus) were more antisemitic as was Pogram generating Russia – but then Hitler was an Austrian and his extreme anti-semitism was picked up on the streets of Vienna.
Interesting comments, I think some of us are now more than ever before starting to question long held existential beliefs.
It is a failure they are not going to admit, however. Whatever happens, assume no blame and no responsibility has been the common denominator of all the great and the good throughout the entire pandemic.
Does this give us a chance to guess at Vaccine induced death based on their own proposed efficacy rates? x%age effective against death would project x number of dead when we can work out the overspill from that?
Gates is on record as saying that a 15% global population reduction would be just fine .
Is this just the start we can work with? That’s around 10 million in UK terms.
Lol, would it be the worst thing to thin the heard of mindless sheep? I joke of course, but I think that would be the nail in the coffin for those on the fence. “Pfizer claim x% efficacy vs death, that would lead to y reduction… but what we’re seeing is z, so either the vaccines are killing people OR they are making covid worse for those that have taken it…” the way the media were going on you’d be hard pushed to believe there’s any vaccine free who are still left alive
Perhaps their big worry is that it is only the ‘vaccine free’ who will be left alive? ( Apart from themselves that is.)
A bit off topic but interesting and useful to demonstrate just how far apart the worlds of opinion are right now, this is a message I received this morning from an erstwhile rational human: I’m equally fed up. In my case of a deadly disease which could easily have been contained but at each stage the UK government did too little too late. Now they declare Covid is over with 100,000 cases a day and around 400 deaths. Nowhere else is abandoning masks. It is an easy protection to retain to get the levels down. Instead they are allowed to plateau at a very high level. ALSO, omicron is not mild. Hence the 400 deaths a day. All that aside, the real horror is that they moved 25,000 old people untested to care homes where, like plague blankets, they seeded them with infection. In that wave alone 45,000 pensioners died, terrified, alone and without even oxygen. they suffocated to death. It was eugenics implemented by the most extreme right wing, corrupt and incompetent government in modern British history. The tide will turn eventually. 5 million bereaved in the UK. Do you really think we’re going to let you get away… Read more »
obviously a unpleasantly deranged and definitely misinformed individual. One hopes you put them right or are they beyond help?
Mentioning Denmark, Norway, Sweden wrt masks….Florida, Texas, North/South Dakota, Mexico….or are all these places “extreme right wing” countries??
I didn’t – just commented on the extraordinary fact that we had arrived at diametrically and mutually incompatible conclusions by taking an interest in the subject in good faith.
Nothing extraordinary about it if the driving force in acquiring information for both parties is confirmation bias. (It can even be formally modelled using Bayesian probability updates.)
You’ve actually reached exactly the same conclusion – that the government must not be allowed to get away with it – but for diametrically opposite and mutually incompatible reasons 🙂
“disease which could easily have been
contained” Good Lord. So easy that lots of other countries also tried, with no apparent success.
Correct: can’t be contained BUT can be easily treated. They put all their focus on the impossible and utterly neglected the possible: early treatment.
They did not “neglect” the early treatment .
They deliberately banned it and then denied it even existed.
Sounds very much like ‘criminal conspiracy’ to me.
There is simply no such thing as early treatment. That is a conspiracy theory and has been completely debunked by a thing I half read being referred to on Twitter. It’s also right -wing to think that covid is treatable and it’s horse dewormer.
Oh, they will just refuse to look at Florida, Sweden, Belarus etc and do some handwaving about population density and apples and oranges or something.
Be afraid. Be very afraid.
Afraid of zealots who simply cannot let it go.
They really, really don’t want to let it go. According to Mattias Desmet this is because the pandemic has given them purpose and meaning and solved their free-floating anxiety. 😵💫
Well, I disagree with almost everything this person said and want to say “yes, but …” over and over, BUT their tone is respectful and urgent, they seem to believe what they say, and it’s actually really helpful to see how a decent (if deeply misled) human being articulates their concern. We’ve a VERY long way to go! Thanks for posting.
No worries, it’s helpful to get out of one’s echo chamber sometimes (but very bad for your mental health and blood pressure)!
Wow! 400 deaths a day? Where on earth is that person getting that figure from?
And the delusion that masks work?
17,000 people died in the UK from just Covid-19 with no pre-existing conditions over the two years of the ‘scamdemic’. ( Answer to FOI request from the ONS)
Not enough to be called a ‘pandemic’ – until they changed the definition of the term.
More people have died of the flu a bad flu season. 700,000 people die from all causes in the UK every year.
Ultimately, “the cause of death is life”. as David Hockney observed.
Unfortunately, their comeback for that one is that the ONS and BBC/MSM ALWAYS said most covid patients had co-morbidities, so this is not even new information and attempts to highlight it as proof of an overreaction are misinformation or just to prove a point 😵💫🤯
The public did of course not note the mumbled distinction …only the very high mortality figures.
The intention was clearly to hype up the death numbers, the fear and the panic.It worked a treat!
What a ruddy idiot.
Can I say “ruddy?”
No , because it is a euphemism for bl**dy – which presumably you cannot now say either.
Thanks David.
In the deeply Catholic communities where I grew up use of the expression ‘ruddy’ was always considered politely off but within the boundaries of acceptable. Acceptable to the extent that it was permitted in polite company, ladies present type scenarios.
Whoops, is that a bit anti-woke, not quite PC?
“By Our Lady” (B-lody)_ is truly medieval as is ‘swash buckling’ ‘Zounds’ ( God’s Wounds)
Good old English Blasphemy!
You bally well can.
Thanks CG.👍
He is half-way there in his anger at avoidable pensioner deaths mixed with general confusion although the definition of’ ‘extreme right wing’ needs work and his large mortality figures will need confirmation. The now worthless terms ‘left and right’ in politics should be abolished for good
Next stop for the waking sheep must be sudden recognition of the whole ‘scam pseudo-pandemic’ – for that we must await the inevitable trial of Dr Fauci, when his “powerful friends” throw him to the wolves to save their own skin .
The best career to take up now must surely be Clinical Psychiatry – we are going to need an army of them to manage the mental fall-out from he unexpectedly high casualty rate resulting from the SAGE “Psy-op Bomb” they exploded over the nation!
There will be no trials, one of the key Supreme Court judges was just “retired”.
Breyer is a “liberal” and retired early most likely to ensure that the Dems get to appoint his successor. Him and Thomas are way older than all the others. In theory there’s a conservative majority on the court though in practice Roberts votes more like a liberal. They voted 6-3 against federal vaxx mandates, sadly 5-4 in favour of allowing federal healthcare vaxx mandate – Roberts and one other “conservative” justice joined the liberals.
They have life tenure so can choose when to retire.
There is a ‘Roberts’ on the Epstein flight logs, apparently. It’s just a coincidence that a ‘right wing’ judge keeps voting with the Democrats, I’m sure.
A “Liberal” and a Democrat appointed by Clinton – so friend of Fauci and no loss.
They have destroyed their own case but are too stupid to realise it.
If 100,000 people are catching the disease each day and 400 are dying WITH (but not FROM) it, then that proves it’s NOT dangerous.
You can also calculate how long (in worst case scenario) until everybody is infected. But we all know that when addressing covidians, numbers have no effect.
As I said to my own mask loving daughter ‘Why am I considered a public health risk worthy of a mask, getting from the restaurant door to my table, but I’m not a public health hazard at all in the pub next door.? Like all good lefties, she’s refusing to speak to me unless I get the booster too.
Perhaps instead of belaboring the issue you should hint your daughter at the inherent value of agreeing to disagree for any civilized society, and explain the consequences of rejecting this part of social contract. Which seems to be the key problem that covidians/wokists are so easily “forgetting” (I don’t know how old your daughter is, but usually it’s something that you teach to your children at a young age; which may mean that you are reaping the fruits of your own failure on that front).
That’s awful I’m sorry to hear that. Similar familial disputes have happened in my world, and I’m sure across most families. The fault lines run through every household.
I’m kicking myself for missing a golden photo opportunity last month that perfectly captured the lunacy of it all.
Two establishments side by side at night. A local Spar shop, sterile white and empty except for a single little, forlorn lady trapped behind the tills and a mask.
Next door a bar, golden and vibrant with several dozen people crammed together enjoying themselves, no masks.
That photo could have won awards…..
This is not from a rational human. At best, it’s from an extremely gullible fool who’ll swallow even the most outrageous nonsense. At worst, it’s from someone who has some material interest in continued Covidinism. To address two points:
COVID is so easily contained that even the seriously extreme measure which are being taken in China or New Zealand have failed to do so.
The reason why pensioners died alone in care homes is because the would-be containers of COVID had decreed that nobody was allowed to visit them. But they didn’t suffocate to death, that’s a Corona propaganda lie. Pneumonia has a historical reputation as old man’s friend because it leads to the kind of death usually described as died peacefully in his sleep. There’s even a COVID term for that, happy hypoxia, ie, people claim that they feel somewhat weak but generally fine despite their oxygen levels are dangerously low. And then, they suddenly die.
That’s terrible. They must need another booster rollout.
‘There is also the outstanding question of why non-Covid excess mortality in Europe and elsewhere has been so high since the summer.’
if the rest of Europe is like the UK the explanation is that a terrified populace were too scared to visit hospitals; GPs all but shut up shop; vital work such as cancer scans and treatment was delayed often with fatal consequences; care home residents were imprisoned in solitary with no access to family, friends or proper medical attention.
Mystery solved?
Er……not quite…becausue then there are the experimental Gene Therapy mRNA ‘vaccines’ to consider of course.
So Mr. Young has now verified his “rules”.
Sounds very much like East Germany to me, I don’t like rules!
Goodbye
You’ll be sorely missed if you go. But I do understand your frustration with the fupping grassholes.
It’s the principle, if something isn’t illegal, then people should be free to express themselves as they please. I object to being infantilized & told what I’m (a 60 year old) is allowed to say or think.
There is no reason the internet should be any different to any other public space & if words are made illegal, then it’s the law that’s offensive, not the language!
If it was put as a request to be considerate & polite to others fine, but being threatened if you do not comply is not acceptable, shame on you Mr. Young!
You need to resign from the free speech union, you don’t have the integrity required to be its leading head.
Apparently you are too thick to recognize that these “rules” are only there to protect the site owner from legal attacks by his enemies.
May I remind you that “hate speech” laws are the most effective censorship laws out there and they will be used to suppress free speech and hurt anyone who stands in their way by crazy, powerful people.
I think the motivation is probably something like that though not sure how swearing comes into it.
My theory is that it’s more to do with keeping the comments presentable, not frightening the newbies and maybe making it all look more mainstream, but it doesn’t make a lot of sense to me
I think it’s a mistake, but don’t suspect any dishonest motives
That’s easy, swearing causes rowdiness and aggression, which is more likely to trigger actual hate, at which point it becomes a concern for the operator.
Evidently, you don’t understand complying with oppression only strengthens the oppressors position, to be more oppressive.
You can’t fight tyranny by surrendering!
The most effective & dangerous form of censorship is self-censorship.
You must pick your battles. When the enemy has overwhelming force, walking into their ambush basically means suicide. And when you are dead, you cannot fight for freedom another day. Yes, we have arrived at that point.
But I thought we were the 99% ??
“Better to die once than forever live in fear” Julius Caesar.
Hate speech! You will be banned!
Yup, and I don’t care about getting banned. I’ve been banned elsewhere so many times before that I’m actually pretty surprised that this forum has not banned me yet (much to its credit, I must say).
rayc:
Apparently you are too thick….
Not swearing, granted. But clearly a bit rich, to then follow up with
That’s easy, swearing causes rowdiness and aggression, which is more likely to trigger actual hate, at which point it becomes a concern for the operator
Could have made his point without having to lead with thick.
There’s nothing illegal about using four letter words.
Personally I find it rather infantilising to be told that I can’t use certain words. For heavens sake, even the bbc has programmes littered with the f word and the c word, and no one turns a hair. Forums that allow the full range of wonderful expressive English are much more interesting to read.
Anyway, there doesn’t seem to be that much swearing on here, but the odd well placed f*** adds emphasis, or sometimes amusement.
Bring back fucking free speech, I say.
The bizarre thing is that people willing to comply with the spirit in which these rules have been asserted have clearly learnt nothing about authoritarian collectivism over the last 2 years.
You can not win a war by surrendering at every battle!
You’re A fucking right Old Bat. FREEDOM!
I don’t disagree… but my theory is the rules concerning swear words are not going to be enforced, they are there as as sort of window dressing and also as a sort of polite discouragement to make the site appear more “respectable” (than it really is).
Called ‘doing a Prince Andrew’.
no need to be abusive, that could get you banned
My thoughts too.
There is something deeply concerning about the leader of The Free Speech Union (FSU) banning erm, Free Speech. I am a paid up member but this instruction is causing me to reconsider the point of my membership. If this site was a school classroom full of under 18’s the instruction might have validity but it is not, it is primarily a site for adults. I am a paid subscriber to this site but the instruction to watch my p’s and q’s is very disturbing. The last two years have seen daily announcements from government toe rags (is that allowed?) dictating what we can and cannot do and which I have purposefully ignored. Now an Internet site which I pay to subscribe to takes it upon itself to seek to control my very utterances. For now I will see how this pans out, which is why I did not comment on the new LAWS yesterday – I was effing livid. If I subsequently get barred the subscription here goes and so too my membership of the FSU. I know my few pounds will matter little in the scheme of things but as far as I am concerned Toby Young has seriously… Read more »
I think you are speaking for many. It is very sad – has Toby been ‘spoken to’ I wonder?
Yes, most likely spoken to by attorneys.
My thoughts exactly.
There are no laws against “profanity” or “swear words” in this country. Not yet, at least.
Or by the men in black balaclavas. Dragged out of bed at 3am, bundled into the van, and round the block a few times. No need to even say anything. A half mile to walk home in your pyjamas and bare feet, trying to avoid the broken glass and dog shit on the pavement.
Now it’s: “Profanity and abuse will be removed and may lead to a permanent ban.” In truth, it’s that didactic and authoritarian approach that I find concerning. My experience is that any interventionist rule for the control of speech will inevitably be abused to suppress opinions and exclude individuals that the moderators dislike. It doesn’t seem to me there is a problem with offensive speech on this site, but then aqain we haven’t had any formal feedback on how hard the moderators have been working in that regard. My impression has been that censorship has been sufficiently light touch that I’ve very rarely had the impression that posts are being removed. If it were my site, I would avoid authoritarian order-barking such as “x will be removed”, and simply remind people that the owners of a site by definition have the right and the power to remove stuff if they deem it appropriate. It is clear that there can be legal reasons for removing material, as well as insurance-related ones, though neither seems likely to justify the nannying obsession with “swear words” and “profanity”.. The less the moderators feel like petty authority figures and the more they feel like janitors,… Read more »
I broadly agree.
In East Germany thinking about using a “banned” word was banned -so that it yet to come.
Goodbye Anti_socialist. I don’t think you should leave though. Can I be deeply unpopular amongst all my sceptical comrades and say that I (kind of) agree with the new rules – I do like to drop the occasional f-bomb, and probably will continue to, but I think we need to view it in the context of how does it look to outside potential sceptics or people who are asking questions for the first time. There are some extraordinary regular BTL commenters with amazing insight, experience, and scientific/technical backgrounds. I’d rather read that kind of content than really coarse stuff that appears from time to time. Sorry, but that’s what I think. And the’ve downgraded the censoriousness to house rules, rather than deplatforming, which is a much better look I think.
So if you agree with the ‘rules’ what is the dividing line between ‘rude’ and “very rude” and who decides?
Are those “black balled” allowed to appeal – if so to whom? Is banning “for life” Will there be sittings of the ‘Banning Panel’ and has the chair the casting vote?
Does saying someone ” should be treated to a rope necktie” constitute a banning offence?
Well, yes. These are totally valid questions and get to the heart of the problem with censorship. I passionately believe in free speech, I’m just saying that if I had a counter narrative website that was in danger of being written off (by morons) as rabid paranoid right-wing tin foil hat wearing nonsense etc etc, I’d want to encourage high quality content, even BTL.
That’s a contradiction & or an outright hypocrisy, after you have just asserted your acquiescence to censorship.
It is not only cowardly to surrender to your opponents on the fear they may sanction you for your values & principle, it’s entirely self-defeating!
I absolutely respect your position. I suppose what I’m arguing for is selective strategic self-censorship. Hell, the things we say when we’re not swearing are outrageous enough in normie world.
I don’t disagree with you in a general sense CG, but people who come up with coarse stuff and nothing further to say would soon leave, as no one would engage. Plenty of people make one- or two-line jokes and although not rude or the like, one could argue they don’t add to the debate, but we like the jokes and banter, it’s part of the appeal of a good comments board – and some times people get heated in the discouse. So I see your point but it is a slippery slope. I am glad they changed the wording, the first really was condescending and inappropriate. I find the trolls far worse than coarse language, they are only out to wind people up and disrupt the debate – the fact that they are usually quite careful in their language does not change their malintent. TBH, the only rule that makes some sense is the one about killing, as they could face legal claims regarding incitement of violence or some such. Having said that, I agree with Anti-Soc above, I don’t wish death upon anyone. But if I were to find out some overreaching politician or some corrupt scientist or… Read more »
Dr Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus of the World Health Organisation made a very weird slip of the tongue a while back, which implied he was aware the “vaccines” caused injuries and death in children.
He said:
Check the video via this link and jump forward to the 17 second mark, and you will clearly hear him say this. It was very clearly a Freudian Slip.
The likes of Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus is thuggish and bullyish, but all these types are inherent cowards. Tedros has probably become aware that purposeful harm is being done with these so-called vaccines, and he’s scared there may be consequences. Thus, the nervous slip of the tongue.
Perhaps this was a hidden” ‘off’ agenda| item at one
of his ‘Conspiracy Sessions’ – under the title: ‘What do we do about the children’?
Presumably the answer was something like : “All taken care of by the boosters!”
“Ich habe nicht erwartet, dass sie den Job für mich erledigen!”
Is that Schwab Senior in the background?
Well spotted. 😀
Every single one of my family are triple vaccinated with two teens having had their booster shots – every single one of them are now coming down with heavy colds including the two teens who are now off school with heavy colds.
I’m unvaccinated and so far I have not come down with a single thing.
I can only conclude that it must be the vaccines.
So…. 2 +2 = 4…. is at last coming back into fashion!
Well of course it’s the vaxx. Didn’t you know, feeling unwell, having adverse reactions, even getting corona are all proof the vaxx works? Haven’t you been following the science? 😉
Sad to report I’ve watched a series of 13 year old children leave my classroom today for their second ‘covid vaccine’ ; all returned with a slightly flushed sweaty appearance and did seem absent minded. Perhaps I was looking too hard for that. I am struck with a heavy sense of sadness and responsibility but what to do…
Serve a cease & desist notice on the school via an enlightened friend?
I am beginning to doubt my own sanity.
Is this really about no more than greed?
Planned global incompetence, something we humans excel at (no offense intended) followed by what, a incompetent virus and a matching vaccine (no offense to viruses intended, I believe none were harmed in this experiment).
What next, exactly? Dodgy health passports? Why not just drop the word Human altogether and replace with Dodgy?
None were harmed? How ever do you arrive there?
Referring to viruses.
Are we playing the game of patients in icu ‘because’, or patients in icu ‘with’…?
Thanks for publishing this. When one of the most vaccinated (and boosted) countries in the world is having record number of ICU admissions, this tells all but the brain dead that the vaccines are NOT effective …. even against “severe” or serious cases.
And surely by now nobody is saying that these vaccines prevent infections. Those that are vaccinated now seem to be more likely to test positive.
Uhhh… 65% hardly sounds like most vaccinated. But Israel was first in the “race”, so their vaccinations have long stopped working.
Which vaxx stopped working? Vaxx 1, 2, 3 or 4?
Last figures I saw in the Jerusalem Post had about 55% of the people in serious condition in hospital being triple-vaxxed.
It looks like ‘the Great Shakedown’ is coming in Israel – how are they ever going to handle it?
By saying “we’ve tried, but now we must make the vaccination mandatory”. Pretty predictable.
The early ones, of course. And on top add to it the 35% that have not been vaccinated at all.
I think about 95 percent of the population of Israel has received at least two jabs by now. Certainly 95 percent when you look at the population over, say, age 55.
Actually, yesterday on Dutch TV there was a new government ad filled with doctors and scientists urging us to get the boost – one of the reasons was ‘you were much less likely to get infected’. The lastest public health figure showed 11% of last week’s positive ‘cases’ were triple-vaxxed and they only started boosting at the end of November. Speaking of spreading misinformation about the virus and the vaxx..
Whatever has happened to LIbertarian Holland of the 1980s?
It wasn’t libertarian, it was libertine. NL in the 1980s was a frontrunner on political correctness, wokeness, i.e. hypocritical moralising by people who are in their hearts fascists but love having found a way to let their inner fascists out while being lauded for their good intent. You really weren’t allowed to say anything or you’d get told off. Happy to say it’s calmed down a bit. What is happening now is a small-ish country in the EU being told what to do by Brussels and particularly Berlin. Rutte decided to side with France and Germany against the UK when it came to Brexit, rather than trying to keep the UK in the EU. The UK was a much better and more reliable friend to NL than the other 2 have ever been. Just heard Rutte announcing on the news that NL would provide the Ukraine with arms if needed – after Germany said it wouldn’t. NL is renowned for its weapons industry – not. Once again NL will be the bagman for Germany’s dirty dealings, just like it got to be the whipping boy bullying the southern countries over the euro. NL has no plans for a vaxx mandate,… Read more »
It’s as though the political class is running a preconceived agenda based on pharmaceuticals that simply don’t do what they were promised by Big Pharma that they would. It’s extraordinary to watch. They will increasingly look like communist dictators of old, utterly separated from reality in some parallel dimension. One reassuring thing that Mattias Desmet said in his excellent interview with RFK recently is that because of technological advancements the whole totalitarian process could be over much sooner than past regimes, let’s hope that’s true!
I don’t know – it seems to me the longer this goes on, beliefs about the ‘marvellous vaccine’ become more entrenched. I have been quite shocked to discover that most people don’t look beyond msm for information, and are actually very surprised if you, for example, mention the (official) figures about vaccine deaths. You just know you have just been labelled and are therefore an untrustworthy source of information.
Totally depressed about how many were still wearing masks at the supermarket this morning – and those useless visors, or both. I wish the information here was published in the mainstream and I wish all these people would just wake up! Do you think it will ever happen?
I’m afraid I am equally pessimistic. We live in two parallel universes: one where we look at data and can understand broadly what is going on (I am suggesting we have a perfect understanding) and the other where people mop up the propaganda from the MSM, think vaccines are a marvelous invention and are completely ‘safe and effective’ and that facemasks and lockdowns have prevented armageddon. A few people have woken up to this but I keep expecting the dam to burst, and it doesn’t happen. Whether that is just cognitive dissonance, as they have taken the gene jab and don’t want to admit they have compromised their health, or just the fact that they are completely unaware of what is going on due to the censorship is hard to say. I don’t see it changing any time soon though.
Post hoc rationalization and especially refusal to admit having been fooled is a very powerful motivator. Ask any professional conman.
This has been an MSM /PCR test sh*t show ( German term!) from the outset – subtract these elements and life becomes instantly ‘normal’ again.
For us getting our craven MPs to block the ‘State of Emergency ‘planned perpetual renewal used to give Johnson Dictator powers must be a priority.
There is now (never was) a “state of emergency” – so watch them create a new one!
Yes, it was like a kick in the guts for me this morning at the shops 🙁
Some will just be fanatics. I guess for the others it will be a slower process than we might have hoped.
It’ll probably take a couple of weeks (longer for Waitrose and M&S customers) for mask wearing to drop by 50%. Then they’ll be a gradual decrease, but I reckon 10-20% will continue to wear them for the rest of their lives.
Oh no, we have an updated message:
‘Profanity and abuse will be removed and may lead to a permanent ban.’
Whoever is writing this nonsense needs to understand that the Free Specch Union largely exists to combat the arbitrariness employed in restricting others’ rights to free speech. ‘Abuse’ is an ambiguous term in this context and different people will have different ideas about what constitutes abuse. Such a ‘policy’ puts us all at the mercy of the personal whims of whoever is spouting this garbage.
This is exactly the kind of ill-defined garbage which leads to the type of arbitrariness the Free Speech Union claims to oppose. So who is serving up this nonsense? I think the readership here deserves answers.
Yeah, the least TY could do is write an article about who is forcing him to publish the disclaimers.
You can email them at lockdownsceptics@gmail.com
Presumably “I break wind in your general direction ” (Monty Python) _if addressed to a named individual would led to a life-time ban then?
What’s all this guff about a ‘Free Speech Unon’?
Oh and can we a have a list of ‘mild’ terms of acceptable abuse to choose from as well? ( perhaps ‘cad’, ‘ bounder’, ‘rotter’, ‘spiv’ and ‘scallywag’ could make a comeback?)
How would advocating the legitimate debating society argument for a return of Capital Punishment for named crimes and the individuals responsible go down?
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Can anyone tell me when they announced approval of the clotshots for 5-11 year olds?
My friend has received an NHS notification to book an appt for her 8 year old.
Bring on the tumbrils – and that’s not abuse it’s wishful thinking.
Do they care about ‘approval’ anyway? Whitty will just ignore the advice and say – Yes, I hear but it’s all OK by me!
Pfizer have screwed up the trials by compromising the control group – so it looks lie a rubber stamp for authorised use world wide will follow!
There are no ‘Control Agencies’ protecting the public worthy of the name any longer. If they say go ahead – the wise would be advised to run a mile in the opposite direction.
I don’t believe they have taken the Goyim Juice.
Can you expand on that point?
Do we know that Natural Immunity can be achieved by a ‘jabbed’ person as the jab may have compromised their immunity system?
Original antigenic sin.
“Profanity and abuse will be removed and may lead to a permanent ban.”
Toby. How about something along the lines of
“Try only to be respectful and truthful in your comments – only this way can we show the world we mean business.”
Vaccine injuries in the DOD and the attempted cover-up
Further analysis of Thomas Renz’s claims to the congress committee chaired by senator Ron Johnson.
Warning – ominous background music.
https://trmlx.com/vaccine-injuries-in-the-dod-and-the-attempted-cover-up/
Pfizer have published plans to study the effect of the vax on military personnel with the agreement and co-operation of the Department of Defense.
The DoD is mandating the use of the original EUA authorised vax, even though this must be illegal.
The cominarty vax had its license granted and withdrawn on the same day 23 Aug 2021. And yet army personnel who refused the illegally mandated vax were illegally removed from services.
Secretary of Defense owns over 29 thousand shares in a company that made a vast amount of money in Pfizers vax.
So he’s a lucky chappie isn’t he then! No clouds without a ‘silver’ lining!
https://tcp.art.blog/2022/01/23/covid-the-strange-death-of-medicine/
If there was any good left in the doctor’s role, it was as a benevolent arbiter for the patient, heavily armed with the shields of medical ethics: physician independence, patient choice, patient confidentiality, informed consent, bodily autonomy, beneficence, justice and primary non-maleficence…….. Today, in a tryst with evil, we indulge in the reverse. We peddle fear and connive with exploitative drug barons to push their dangerous, experimental and unnecessary genetic potions. Covid is the friend of Pharma. The people are the enemy, the fodder of the corporate biosecurity state.
The main point of The Canadian Truckers for freedom is that they should not be subjected to “vaccine mandates.”
So let’s talk a little more about vaccine mandates.
If 12 months ago, vaccine boosters had said, “once we get the vast majority of the world vaccinated we will have …. record numbers of confirmed Covid cases ….,” people would have said, “What the hell?”
If, in Israel, vaccine boosters had said, “Once we get 95 percent of our population fully vaccinated, we will have … record numbers of Israel citizens being treated in ICU’s for COVID,” people would have said, “What the hell?”
If I had said these things in my social media post I would have been attacked as a heretic and a fool and probably banned from every posting again.
And, yet, this is exactly what has happened. Any person who might have made such bizarre predictions would have been 100-percent accurate and prescient.
Really, all these truckers are trying to say is don’t trust the experts and authorities … And, here’s the kicker, this simple message is (finally) resonating with millions of people.
You’re absolutely right. It’s a slow drift to madness. And we can be guilty of it too. Over a year ago my attitude towards children being injected with this bullshit would have been “over my dead body” and yet I’ve been literally excusing them from class all day for exactly that. Such is the creeping, insidious evil of this period.
Has anyone else seen news about the ICLCJ Court issuing arrest warrants for Big Pharma, Government, Church Leaders etc? I can’t tell if there’s any truth to it or not. There’s nothing on the official ICLCJ website. Apparently its why the UK have scrapped Plan B?
Do you mean this?
ICLCJ Verdict and Sentence – Common Law
Hadn’t heard of it until you posted.
Yep. There’s this too – http://murderbydecree.com/2022/01/25/breaking-news-january-25-britain-cancels-covid-measures-after-iclcj-arrest-warrants-issued-against-pharma-ceo-and-anglican-archbishop/
Just seems a bit too good to be true.
I’ve forwarded the links to a group which includes a number of lawyers. Be interesting to see what they know or think about it all.
Thank you 🙂
It’s all a scam by a Canadian who runs his ‘Court’ from his motor home….
Are they rotating the rules now on a cycle of page refreshes, or refining as we go? ROFL
We just have to settle for the drip drip drip of information even if it seems frustratingly slow. Some people have been naive to these issues until very recently which is fine. The intellectual or the warrior. It puts me in mind of a parable of disputed origin whereby a warrior was going about his daily duties and someone spat at him in the face. On the one hand it is impermissible for the warrior to act out out of anger and on the other hand this was an impossible affront. Apparently he went home, meditated for a couple of hours and achieved a great calmness and then went out and slit the miscreants throat thereby resolving the dilemma. It is quite an interesting story when you think about it.
So I know of no one personally that has died of/with covid, I know of 2 people dead from the jabs and 1 who’s life is destroyed, injections for life as a result of clots.
Good times…
The thing is were still learning about “The Virus”, and kids can get long covid and covid toe, so we have to be safe.