Spotify Backs Joe Rogan and Removes Neil Young’s Music After Young Said it Must Choose Between Them Over Rogan’s ‘Vaccine Misinformation’
Wrinkly rocker Neil Young told Spotify to choose between him and hit podcast host Joe Rogan over alleged Covid misinformation – and the streaming service has chosen Rogan, saying it has a responsibility to balance safety and freedom. The Guardian has more.
The music streaming platform Spotify is in the process of removing Neil Young’s music after the company refused to take down Joe Rogan’s podcast amid the musician’s objections that it spread vaccine misinformation.
Rogan has been described by the New York Times as “one of the most consumed media products on the planet”. His podcast, The Joe Rogan Experience, is Spotify’s most popular. In 2020, Rogan signed a $100m deal that gave the streaming company exclusive rights to the show.
But this week, Young posted an open letter to his manager and record label that was later taken down in which he said: “With an estimated 11 million listeners per episode, [The Joe Rogan Experience], which is hosted exclusively on Spotify, is the world’s largest podcast and has tremendous influence. Spotify has a responsibility to mitigate the spread of misinformation on its platform, though the company presently has no misinformation policy.”
The musician added: “I want you to let Spotify know immediately TODAY that I want all my music off their platform … They can have Rogan or Young. Not both.”
A Spotify spokesperson confirmed to the Hollywood Reporter on Wednesday that the platform was taking down Young’s music.
“We want all the world’s music and audio content to be available to Spotify users. With that comes great responsibility in balancing both safety for listeners and freedom for creators. We have detailed content policies in place and we’ve removed over 20,000 podcast episodes related to Covid since the start of the pandemic. We regret Neil’s decision to remove his music from Spotify, but hope to welcome him back soon,” the spokesperson said.
Since the pandemic, Rogan, who has legions of devoted followers, has repeatedly spread misleading and false claims. This month, 270 doctors, scientists, healthcare professionals and professors wrote an open letter to Spotify, expressing concern about medical misinformation on Rogan’s podcast.
The letter highlighted a highly controversial episode from December that features Robert Malone, a virologist who was involved in the mRNA vaccine technology that led to some of the leading COVID-19 vaccines but has since been criticised for spreading vaccine misinformation.
“This is not only a scientific or medical concern; it is a sociological issue of devastating proportions and Spotify is responsible for allowing this activity to thrive on its platform,” the letter read.
In the wake of the catalogue deletion announcement, Young posted a new message on his website further castigating Spotify as “the home of life-threatening Covid misinformation. Selling lies for money.”
He said he made the decision because of worries that young Spotify users were “impressionable and easy to swing to the wrong side of the truth. These people believe Spotify would never present grossly unfactual information. They unfortunately are wrong. I knew I had to try to point that out.”
Young said the decision – which is supported by his Warner Bros-owned record label, which controls his music – would cost him 60% of his worldwide streaming income.
All that in order to get a fellow entertainer sacked over disagreeing with some of his guests’ views.
The specific allegations against Rogan are somewhat obscure. The only one mentioned in the Guardian article above is that he hosted Dr. Robert Malone in December – an eminent scientist with a background in mRNA technology who happens to be sceptical about these particular vaccines, not least because he himself almost died of a reaction to his second jab. What a truly odd thing to take a costly stand over.
The Guardian‘s unqualified statement that Rogan “has repeatedly spread misleading and false claims” would also seem libellous. If you follow the link supposedly backing up this smear it takes you to a December 2020 Guardian article which cites as its first example that “one of Rogan’s guests suggested the virus may have been ‘enhanced’ and escaped from a lab”. Fancy that. That example didn’t age well. The only other piece of pandemic-related ‘misinformation’ cited is Elon Musk’s claim on Rogan’s show in May 2020 that hospitals were over-counting Covid hospital patients and deaths and had a financial incentive to do so. Given this issue is now widely recognised it’s hard to see it as ‘misinformation’ worth going to the stake over. Why take such drastic action on such a flimsy charge sheet?
Refreshing to see a corporation resisting pressure to cancel someone regarded as out of step with the mainstream. Let’s hope the boycott fizzles out now and doesn’t escalate and make life difficult for Spotify.
In related news, the left-wing rag the Washington Post is trying to make trouble for Substack for hosting people the newspaper labels “anti-vaxxers”. Substack CEO Chris Best, apparently responding, wrote in a blog post a defence of the importance of free speech and tolerance that Neil Young and others reaching for the cancel button would do well to heed:
While we have content guidelines that allow us to protect the platform at the extremes, we will always view censorship as a last resort, because we believe open discourse is better for writers and better for society.
This position has some uncomfortable consequences. It means we allow writers to publish what they want and readers to decide for themselves what to read, even when that content is wrong or offensive, and even when it means putting up with the presence of writers with whom we strongly disagree. But we believe this approach is a necessary precondition for building trust in the information ecosystem as a whole. The more that powerful institutions attempt to control what can and cannot be said in public, the more people there will be who are ready to create alternative narratives about what’s ‘true’, spurred by a belief that there’s a conspiracy to suppress important information. When you look at the data, it is clear that these effects are already in full force in society.
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I expect he’ll be back soon! I give it a month
Taylor Swift didn’t last long before going back to them.
She was very swift.
I refuse to swallow that……
Well, Young is being a bit of a tit.
After the gold thrush is a great song though…
Paul David Heaton gets it.
I hope he fades into oblivion. He’s a hypocrite of the first order, he drives around in a 1960’s three ton American land yacht whilst preaching to his audience about climate change. good riddance a****
Whatever happened to the Needle and the Damage Done?
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please dont take this the wrong way but i find your posts very annoying – you know sometimes less is more? perhaps you could put your announcements in a dedicated forum thread where readers can opt in?
60% of his worldwide streaming income gone. Couldn’t have happened to a more deserving fellow. If he’d had his finger on the pulse, Young never would have given that ultimatum.
Just another selfish old fart, demanding the whole world take a useless and dangerous vaccine, in order to give him a notional sense of protection.
Sick of these people.
He is Canadian, so may have caught a bad dose of Troodough.
LOL. No doubt. Here is a nurse commenting on Trudeau’s dubious “vaccination” status:
https://rumble.com/vtenjm-nurse-expresses-doubt-on-authenticity-of-trudeaus-vaccine-jab.html?mref=6zof&mrefc=17
Young got OLD.
Happens to the best of us, despite lyrics sung to the contrary.
A post about some of the unquantifiable “collateral damage” of COVID mandates …Neil Young, famous for great songs like “Keep rocking in the free world,” is actually a fierce advocate for rockers to NOT be allowed to keep rocking in the “free” world. He doesn’t want these people to have the freedom he had when he was trying to build his own career, and he certainly doesn’t want viewers to have the chance to make up their own minds about what is or isn’t “disinformation.” It would be fairly easy to quantify the economic devastation the lockdowns created in the music industry. Just add up all the tens of thousands of people who make income from music who were not allowed to perform music or work in the live music business for almost two years. But some of this “harm” is much more difficult to quantify … which I try to do with this little thought exercise …. I doubt Neil Young has thought about this, or if he has, he doesn’t care about it … Pick any rock and roll act who “hit it big” – and examine how they actually “hit it big.” What these acts did is work… Read more »
All of this appetite for shutting down others’ opinions makes me think that the agitator for shutdown is worried that the rest of us are a bit thick and easily misled, so he/she would like to protect us. It’s ‘considerate’ but in a deeply condescending way.
From Michael Wendling of the BBC Disinformation Unit, responding to my contention that BBC coverage of an early anti-lockdown protest was biased. They think they know better than us thickoes.
“Of course those who believe in conspiracy theories are not going to call their beliefs conspiracy theories, and are going to call themselves mainstream, moderate people.
We viewed footage of the speakers and spoke to people who were there.
We have no obligation to give a platform to erroneous ideas. We don’t, to take an extreme example, broadcast the manifestos of mass murderers alongside police statements so that people can “make up their own minds”.
I’m not saying the people there were violent. Some of them were (as the story reflected) were drawn by legitimate concerns. But the speakers (Mr Icke and others) were not expressing mainstream views that would benefit from airing and debate.“
Early on in the pandemic, I wrote a guest op-ed that I submitted to al.com – the biggest news organization in my state (the website of the newspapers The B’ham News, Huntsville Times and Mobile Press Register). My main point was that more students at The University of Alabama had been “sick” in a recent flu season than UA students had been “sick” from COVID. In my piece, I included a link to a TV station report that stated that (two years prior) about 1,000 UA students had been treated for the flu at the University’s infirmary in just two or three weeks. This was just the University infirmary. We don’t know how many students who were sick with the flu never went to the doctor or went to a private doctor. I then presented links that showed that virtually no UA student had been treated at local hospitals or doctors office due to COVID symptoms. I included a quote from the University dean of health who said that almost all cases of COVID had been “asymptomatic.” The flu had caused many more UA students to become “sick” than COVID. I documented this. Well, the site wouldn’t run my submission.… Read more »
Several thousand Canadian and US truckers descending on Ontario today is pretty mainstream news, but not in the BBC’s opinion.
Nor are their drivers ‘erroneous’ in their belief in bodily autonomy and the right for someone to freely choose for themselves what they do to themselves.
The right to risk ones life by skydiving or scuba diving isn’t mainstream, but it’s somehow not silenced by the BBC.
Meanwhile, the BBC ignores the worlds most published Cardiologist, Dr. Peter McCulloch, on the subject of covid ‘vaccination’ adverse reactions to, in particular, the youth of the world. They also deem it appropriate to ignore the opinions of Dr. Malone, the inventor of mRNA ‘vaccine’ technology on the same subject.
Nor can I comprehend how this ties in with the usual left wing excess of the BBC as neither of these men seem to express political opinions, simply factual, scientific evidence.
On that basis alone the BBC should not be allowed to continue as a functional organisation.
A publicly funded (by a tax enforced by law) broadcaster has an extra duty to remain bias-free, but I tend to think it’s impossible for any news organisation to do so, hence the BBC has to be cut off from the state completely.
Questioning the covid narrative is expressing a political opinion because it is a political pandemic and has been from the start.
Let’s not forget the BBC created the TNI, the trusted news initiative, at the start of the covid circus. They are the media wing of the establishment. Their job is to mould opinion using the traditional news format to make it more palatable for the masses.
Anything less than their destruction is dangerous.
I absolutely agree.
I have written and emailed them pointing this out, but have yet to receive a coherent response.
I continue to be mystified as to why they keep ignoring me.
I can’t believe they would do this deliberately and if this carries on I will begin to think that they may be a little biased.
It is a very long time since Auntie has been bias free.
If the truckers were there in SUPPORT of vaccine mandates, you can bet the bbc would cover that approvingly.
And cover it full time. Ad nauseam.
Who are the BBC to decide what is “mainstream” and what is not?
Two years ago it was “mainstream” to believe that SARS-COV-2 was a naturally occurring virus which developed in bats, and skipped species to humans (possibly via pangolins) and spread from a wet market in Wuhan. And anyone suggesting something else was a conspiracy theorist (even though the people who were suggesting something else were actual scientists).
Now we know that the virus was almost certainly developed in a lab and the only question remaining is whether it was released deliberately or accidentally.
The BBC still believes its role is to decide the boundaries of the Overton window.
Down with this sort of thing. That went out with Lord Reith.
Thanks for the introduction to the Overton window
‘We have no obligation to give a platform to erroneous ideas.’
The irony of that comment emanating from a BBC stooge!
He’s following the example of Bono, thinking that his fame in one minor area of life makes him an expert on anything else in the real world.
I was going to say “misinformation” is another one for the new speak handbook, but actually come to think of it, “liberal” is a much better example
“Robert Malone, a virologist who was involved in the mRNA vaccine technology that led to some of the leading COVID-19 vaccines”. That might be a clue right there. Or at least a prompt to do some further investigation.
little behind the curve again Grauniad (and Will)
ZeroHedge had this up 3 days ago…..
Do keep up.
No, the Daily Skeptic is way ahead of ZH. I read both several times a day. I wish ZH would publish half the important Covid stories that TDS does. And ZH also does post some of these stories – days after The Daily Skeptic did.
Still, ZH is the one Internet site with a very large audience that does publish contrarian content … so I hope they don’t “go wobbly.”
I also bet that The Daily Skeptic is one of the leading websites in the world in the metric of reader growth. This tells me there is a huge demand for “skeptical” journalism and commentary.
Well, he can keep on rocking in the free world.
Given how much money the Pharmas have made from Covid, I think ‘After The Goldrush’ is more apposite.
Song lyrics for today:
Who is Neil Young?
an irrelevant old stoner who had some half decent songs out once
Never heard of the dude before.
Never heard of Crosby, Stills, Nash and Young?
Never – is this some ancient UK band?
Nah, he’s Canadian, quite big in the 60’s in a bunch of bands, and part of the infamous Laural Canyon scene (some would say Laural Canyon mind controlled music scene, designed to usurp the anti-vietnam war movement) He was also a friend of Charles Manson, it’s a bit of a rabbit hole. If you’re into that kinda thingit’s worth reading David McGowans book for a bit of an eyebrow raiser
http://www.darknessisfalling.com/uploads/2/3/7/0/23701544/weird_scenes_inside_the_canyon_-_laurel_canyon_covert_ops___the_dark_heart_of_the_hippie_dream__2014__by_david_mcgowan___nick_bryant.pdf
I gave Neil Young a spliff on stage in Manchester during the 90’s, gig was a disapointment he only played his new “!Indian Influenced” stuff, which is a bit crap tbh.
They rightfully put his name last as he kept coming and going, he was that reliable.
A Canuck entertainer who never fails to make me think of what Wolverine (another Canuck, albeit fictional) would look like if he didn’t have Adamantium claws, a Healing Factor, and had been left in the bath for several years.
He’s the best at what he does, and what he does ain’t pretty…good heavens, it certainly ain’t pretty.
As predicted in that excellent article about the witchhunts published here over a year ago, cancel culture will also stop when it’s no longer profitable.
In sofar, this could be a watershed event.
Just a reminder,nfolks.mIf you feel miffed with clown covid world, trot along to
https://www.reddit.com/r/LockdownSceptics/
where you can swear and cuss to your heart’s content – or almost. We understand that bad language is sometimes ‘like the snorting of a horse that smells bad hay’ (1984).
Is this from the butt hurt snow flake who started blanking out swear words last week. Can’t remember his admin handle
Cussin’ Jake, I think?
Whats with the new commenting rules. Has somebody’s feelings got hurt. FFS!
How embarrassing. This is a watershed moment and the tide is turning.
Incredible really – to think that Neil Young and many other artists of his calibre were once upon a time standard bearers for free speech everywhere – but since covid they seem to have all shown their true colours – yes, free speech … but only if hold the correct opinions and appropriate views – wanting people banned for holding different opposing views to yourself is very disappointing to say the least.
Another one coming off my play list.
Very few people actually believe in freedom of speech. Probably the BTL commenters here and our ilk are among the few. If you ask most people “do you believe in freedom of speech” they will say yes of course I do, then ask them if it’s OK to allow racist, homophobic, mysoginistic etc. comments on social media or whatever and see how many then start to backpedal.
Any speech that is deemed “potentially harmful” is now censorable. And the “fact checkers” and content “reviewers” are also “certified” … so we definitely know we can trust their censorship decisions.
BTW, I do my own fact-checking all the time. How do I get “certified?”
I wouldn’t say it is backpedaling. More like a flat out NO.
Whenever I’ve wandered into the territory of discussing free speech I’ve been reminded most people lack any capacity to think independently about most subjects. They regurgitate something they’ve heard, nothing else.
A bit of a sweeping generalization of course. But if the Covid circus has taught me anything it is that many people would rather inject gene therapy than stop and think for themselves. I strongly suspect the urge to be right, and obedient, overrides any curiosity for truth.
Just seen the mustn’t be rude notice at the top above … I expect everyone has already commented on it, but it seems completely out of place. No incitement to kill, sure (just remove the comments) but no swearing or being very rude? What is this, kindergarten?
He didn’t realise freedom of speech could be used to disagree with him?
Or maybe he did – which is why he wants Joe Rogan’s podcast shut down.
EC learned his lesson the hard way.
A typical liberal luvvie – incredibly intolerant.
Excellent. This does appear to be an anti-establishment move by Spotify. That… eek, I need to be careful of the new rules here… ‘rotter’ Young has got his just desserts. I hope more…. ‘cads’ like him reap what they sow. Phew, think I’m safe!
Spotify have previous with standing up to demands. They usually end up winning. In this case, it’s a good thing, as it’s made Neil Young look like the twat he is.
Can I say twat?
That depends. Can you purse your lips? If so, yes.
If in doubt, Shakespearean insults are always at hand. For example…
I’ll repeat a phrase that i first heard at the end of 2020…
“I’ve lost many hero’s this year, but none of them have died” Most of Young’s back catalogue, certainly his most famous compositions, are about civil rights, evil government and rapacious globalism….i know, coz I’ve got most of it! I’m staggered at the CRETINOUS hypocrisy of Young and the majority of the music industry’s sanctamonious, scientifically moronic, who would appear to have morphed into Neo-nazis!
Well done Spotify (they’ve obviously done the maths). Dear Neil…”The needle and the damage done” seems appropriate…
Right, you’re banned for swearing!
Naughty, naughty, naughty.
Can we still be very rude to Toby? He’s not a commentator. And very very rude about the invigilator who thought up this quite extraordinarily stupid rule.
Indeed, one of the many joys of this site was the lack of a po faced censor
I can remember listening to Everybody Knows This Is Nowhere for the first time and thinking it was the most exciting album ever. It still sounds brilliant now. How can the humane, sensitive and righteous writer of After the Goldrush, Powderfinger, Cortez the Killer etc etc be fronting up so freely for Fauci and Pfizer? Perhaps this is the job he has been waiting to carry out all his life, all the acclaim and fortune that preceded it an advance reward for his craven shilling at the end of his career.
I really like his music/passion, but I felt quite let down by his ‘Let’s Roll’ (about the 9/11 Shanksville flight). I was disappointed because as far as I was concerned Neil was conned (as now).
A lot of these rock and pop artists are pretty gullible, or maybe just compromised. They are not very smart politically. At least Neil Young hasn’t done a coffee table book with Barack Obama like that stand-up man of the people Bruce (vaccinated audiences only) Springsteen.
I would note that in their press release announcing that they are now divorced from Neil Young, Spotify proudly mentioned that they have banned at least “20,000” podcasts about COVID that included “misinformation.”
So Spotify is playing ball with Big Brother too.
Yes, not exactly a ringing endorsement of free speech. More like a calculated move to get some free advertising.
I see this comment has been “modified” after my earlier joky comment.
F word removed.
Money talks.
‘The Needle And The Damage Done’
Neil Young (1972)
He probably got the placebo (with a little cocaine added) version. I would suggest that the batch number investigation see if there is a connection between certain batches and the ‘great and the good’, because I’m getting very suspicious that it’s only the poor dopes that are getting the bad reactions.
Great advertising to lure people towards the Joe Rogan show who then might hear the truth.
Neil Young, The Guardian etc. have shot themselves in the foot.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Streisand_effect
Ha, ha, ha. Serves him right! You are on the wrong side Neil (not so) Young.
Neil Old.
…Neil ANCIENT.
Neil was always the most ‘difficult’ member of CSNY. The difference seems to be that once he only acted like a cantankerous old git; now he even looks like one.
I’ll stick to my habit of liking someone’s music (if I do) despite whatever wonkery or behavioural problems the artist might display in real life.
So where’s the misinformation?
Does anyone actually buy their crap?
Most peoples reaction to this guy
The statement that the Gruarniad “has repeatedly spread misleading and false claims” would be unsurprising to anyone with a history online.
The grauniad is the fakest of fakenews.
Am I allowed to put “too many “ARSES” – phonetic reference – in Gruarniad ?
This from the man who wrote “The needle and the damage done”
He looks like he should be writing about brand new combine harvesters.
Choose your tribe…
Blimey Neil Olds fans will be distraught. All 10 of them.
My Neil Young collection is now in the bin.
Should have sold it to covidians and donated proceeds to DS.
“Selling lies for money”….
Now, For What It’s Worth, in the last 22 months I can think of much more deserving recipients of that accolade than Spotify.
Good for Spotify! Neil Young, I regret buying ‘Heart of Gold’ at 14. It jumped all the time anyway.
Admit it, you bought cans of lager along with the record, invited round your friends and got drunk and fell on the record player and smashed it and scratched the record.
It’s possible.
After the Gold Rush – now I wonder what that’s all about, ummmm? – (infinitely better) version by Prelude always available for those who have taken NY off their Xmas card list….
Part 1 of 2 Covid misinformation? Here’s some more Covid misinformation! Or might the fact-checkers call it disinformation? Most fact-checkers would be too dumb to know, but the former is simply someone putting out erroneous information, whilst the latter is someone putting out propaganda. So, the BBC and Guardian don’t do misinformation, instead, they do disinformation – Stalin himself coined this term, so it fits very nicely with these two lying Marxist outfits. It was good in a nearby article to see that Danish Health Minister Magnus Heunicke has said it was the “vaccines” which have lessened the virulence of the COVID-19 variants. At least it’s a start that one health minister in Europe is practically admitting that these so-called variants are just the normal seasonal flus under a different name. I think, though, that this start is a false one. I don’t believe the Cabal is going to settle for SARS‑CoV‑2 and its mutations being downgraded to head colds and seasonal flus? I suspect they have more tricks up their sleeves? Two new antivirals, supposedly designed to protect against COVID-19, have been in the news recently. One is ritonavir, and the other molnupiravir. Ritonavir has been… Read more »
Part 2 of 2 So, basically, June Raine, the CEO of the MHRA, came out and said that molnupiravir was safe to use without there having been any testing or trialling done on the safety of this drug. According to William A. Haseltine, molnupiravir could well be a drug you’d read about in the darkest Science Fiction novel. Yet the UK’s Medicines and Healthcare products Regulatory Agency said it was willing to dish it out untested. With friends like June Raine and the MHRA, the UK does not need Russia as an enemy. What’s pertinent about June Raine’s criminally sly attempt to have this untested drug dished out, is the evidence that it can supercharge mutations in SARS‑CoV‑2, which, if it did, would unleash far deadlier variants of this virus upon the world. More virulent variants would suit the Cabal and Big Pharma, and lead to a bigger and more permanent and more eager market for their gene serums. It seems, if you scare the sheep, they’ll disregard all evidence of toxicity and swallow whatever you throw at them. The government have backtracked on this statement by June Raine; they have now decided to… Read more »
We must Raine on her parade, and on all of the other propagandists!
Alexa….Who the f@ck is Neil Young.