Barefaced Discrimination

Daily Sceptic reader Freddie Scovell discovered recently that some dentists don’t want the custom of the barefaced and wrote to tell us about it.

I thought you might be interested in events at my dentist recently. I have been a patient for 18 years of this practice and was booked in to have urgent treatment on a broken tooth. When I arrived, a lady jumped in front of me, squirted a gel on my hands and stuck a reader on my forehead. She then placed a box of masks in front of me and said “wear a mask”. I politely explained that I am exempt from wearing a mask. She asked me why. I said “medical reasons”. She then asked to see proof of my exemption. I explained that she should not be asking for such information and I was under no obligation to show any. She then told me to stay where I was and disappeared into an office.

Another lady then appeared and started to argue the point with me that as it was a private building, she could ask what she liked. I politely pointed out that that didn’t exempt her from discrimination law. As we were going round in circles and my tooth was hurting, I relented and showed her an exemption card I keep in my wallet. Just something I downloaded from the internet, nothing that carries any medical credibility.

I was then ushered through to the waiting room. Whilst on the phone I was approached by a man that looked about 12 calling out my name. I hung up the call and asked how I could help. He told me I must leave the practice. I enquired as to why and he said it was because I refused to wear a mask and he must keep his staff “safe”.

I was told I was not allowed ever to return and must seek medical treatment for my tooth elsewhere.

I told this story to Mike Graham live on TalkRadio last week.

Do you know a friendly dentist?

The lunacy is, of course, that it’s not possible to wear a face mask while undergoing dental treatment or examination.

If anyone knows of a friendly dentist free of such discriminatory impulses, ideally in the South East, email us here.

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Judy Watson
Judy Watson
4 years ago

The mind boggles

Mark
4 years ago

The time might be right for reference sources of non-discriminatory (aka sane) providers of all kinds of services.

There was always a question early on about the degree to which such lists might backfire, but the climate feels much better now for such action.

I remember there were a couple of projects being set up along these lines last year, but they seemed very limited at the time (very few substantive services willing to list) and I don’t recall now where they were.

Anyone able to point to such lists now?

Julian
4 years ago
Reply to  Mark

I’ve not seen anything, will keep a lookout. Some room for this to be hosted by existing anti-lockdown sites like this one. Regarding dentists, I use Malmin who are fine with mask exemptions, at least in the branch I used, and my actual dentist is robustly sceptical.

Mark
4 years ago
Reply to  Julian

There were a couple set up that I remember, one by the ex-BBC lady, whose name slips my memory for the moment, who did some very good antilockdown interviews and journalism early on (albeit a bit emotional for my personal liking, but effective and important nonetheless), and a rival one.

I followed them for a while but they didn’t seem to attract enough entries, certainly in my area, to be useful.

Julian
4 years ago
Reply to  Mark

Anna Brees?

Mark
4 years ago
Reply to  Julian

That’s the lady!

And a quick duckduckgo brings up:

Directory of Businesses Against Vaccine Passports
Which might be what I was recalling.

Julian
4 years ago
Reply to  Mark

This is the link: https://againstvaccinepassports.com/

A quick search in my covidian postcode brought up a fair number.

It’s a start.

Mark
4 years ago
Reply to  Julian

As you say, a start.

Myself, I’d prefer something more broadly against lockdown, masks and fearmongering generally, rather than just the no brainer of opposing vaccine mandates.

Dodderydude
Dodderydude
4 years ago
Reply to  Julian

I checked out the listings for my area (10 mile radius but search area can be expanded to 20 miles). A month ago there had been one entry (a kebab takeaway) but last week there were twenty entries. It is difficult for businesses to find out about this directory in order to register their details but the list seems to be growing quite quickly by word of mouth.

lorrinet
lorrinet
4 years ago
Reply to  Julian

I tried the link but it doesn’t work.

JohnK
4 years ago
Reply to  lorrinet

It worked a few minutes ago. Obviously a commercial opportunity. This is their list of “The Team”: https://againstvaccinepassports.com/meet-the-team/ The founder is fairly well known – not that I’m criticising her.

Lucan Grey
4 years ago
Reply to  Mark

It might be worth creating a list of people who would like such a service – to show the demand is there.

Remember these people operate in an echo chamber where everybody they talk to is an authoritarian nut job or an appeaser. Those keeping their heads down have no way of identifying others who would rather it all stopped.

However if we show the demand is there, then it will be profitable to provide that service and somebody will take the opportunity

Mark
4 years ago
Reply to  Lucan Grey

Definitely something that is needed imo, provided it won’t backfire by highlighting businesses for targeting by authorities or covid zealots. My feeling is that the latter are sufficiently on the back foot now that it might be a better time to do it.

As you say, the demand must surely be there for sensible sanity in service provision.

If there haven’t been any established successfully yet, then definitely something DS could usefully provide I think, if resources are available. I’m sure there’d be volunteers willing to help administer it once set up..

karenovirus
4 years ago
Reply to  Mark

Lockdownsceptics.org had a permanent and ever growing list of non compliant retail and food outlets during Lockdown One.

I found a few useful locations through it and they didn’t seem to come to any grief from lockdown enforcement nazis.

Banjones
Banjones
4 years ago
Reply to  Mark

There’s something called awakenedpages.co.uk

Annie
4 years ago

Disgusting brutes.
Sadly, as I understand it, a formal complaint probably wouldn’t succeed unless you could actually produce proof of medical exemption. Does anybody know if that js correct?

Julian
4 years ago
Reply to  Annie

I have always found the mask exemption business baffling. The list of reasons for exemption is explicitly stated as non-exhaustive so you can effectively cite any reason you want, “severe distress” is in the eye of the beholder, and while it says you don’t need to supply proof to people in shops or whatever it doesn’t say who you are obliged to supply proof or an explanation to – the police, a magistrate? How would a magistrate or judge determine whether your “exemption” was valid? There’s no standard or guideline anywhere that I have seen, and doctors are too busy to be looking into this for people.

Sandra Barwick
Sandra Barwick
4 years ago
Reply to  Julian

It’s deliberate smoke and mirrors.

Julian
4 years ago
Reply to  Sandra Barwick

Yes, not a law designed to be enforced, just the threat and peer pressure was enough, much easier than drafting something that holds up in court, like most of the covid regs.

TheyLiveAndWeLockdown
4 years ago
Reply to  Julian

The whole point of exemption is to guarantee that the zero utility of cloth face covering for viruses is never questioned as their real purpose is emotional manipulation.

CynicalRealist
4 years ago
Reply to  Julian

The trouble is that there are no penalties (or defined criminal actions) in the muzzle law for companies who flout them, so unless you can use the Equality Act (which will depend on whether your justification is one which falls under the remit of that) then it’s unclear what legal action can be taken against businesses who do this sort of thing.

I did raise this specific issue with my MP when the last muzzle mandate was brought in and asked whether it would include penalties for companies demanding ‘proof’ and the like. As expected he ignored the question, and the legislation was just the same as used previously and included no such penalties.

Atters
4 years ago
Reply to  CynicalRealist

A precedent has already been set, in late 2020 –
https://disabilityrights.org.uk/first-face-mask-discrimination-case-nets-7-000

JohnK
4 years ago
Reply to  Atters

Yes. I remembered the same case. Of course, the culprit settled outside court, which avoided the development of a legal precedent, as well as saving cash if they were found guilty in court.

rayc
rayc
4 years ago
Reply to  Julian

I think the “self-exemption” is a peculiarity which does exist anywhere else in the world besides of UK.

Julian
4 years ago
Reply to  rayc

That is in accordance with everything I’ve ever read or heard on the subject, yes

Mark
4 years ago
Reply to  rayc

My experience has been that it was a huge factor in encouraging people who were unwilling to just defy the law to refuse to wear masks.

JohnK
4 years ago
Reply to  Mark

I think so, however, it was always a recommendation, not a legal requirement. Blurring of the distinction between the two has long been part of the con, along with the way one’s rights were published by the civil service to discourage our use of them.

karenovirus
4 years ago
Reply to  Julian

Mask exemptions are still as deliberately vague as when they were first introduced to avoid the government getting sued in the case of someone suffering harm as a result of compulsion. A good resource remains lawnotfiction.com I downloaded a useful quasi legal document from there that outlined the obligations of employers, service providers and others to accept Exempt claims at face value. It also goes into the penalties for those who fail to do so largely on the basis of Disability Discrimination which is Primary Legislation and so far outweighs Secondary Statutary Instriments on which all mask mandates are based. Doctors are specifically instructed NOT to issue Exempt Certificates possibly to protect them from legal action or maybe to prevent them from making exorbitant charges. The Police might ask you to confirm your Exempt Claim for the sake of good order but are not allowed to ask for proof. As things stand any accusations of false Exempt claims ever reaching Court are highly unlikely and, as mentioned by Julian above, there are plenty of subjective claims “severe distress” to keep you out of trouble if they do. Anyone acting in contravention of the above is guilty of Disability Discrimination in… Read more »

Arfur Mo
Arfur Mo
4 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

Somebody who faced a grilling from an airline jobsworth over mask use took them to court for accumulated damages of about £100,000 (maybe humiliation, invasion of privacy, disability discrimination, harrassment by both employee and employer). I imagine that would focus minds quickly. The person settled for £12,000 I believe. This is civil law so the onus of proof is at a lower level than criminal cases. Maybe just a letter from a lawyer would have done the trick?

I wonder how Ferguson would deal with a mass of small court claims all around the country, each one for £100-£500 compensation for loss of 2 years of life? Could be doing for the lulz.

Atters
4 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

Apologies, went to hit reply and downvoted in error. A precedent was set with this in late 2020 – https://disabilityrights.org.uk/first-face-mask-discrimination-case-nets-7-000

karenovirus
4 years ago
Reply to  Atters

We’ve all done that, a couple of counter upticks usually resolves things.
Thanks for the link.

Rowan
Rowan
4 years ago
Reply to  Annie

The person who decides whether you are exempt is yourself. That’s fairly clear from the government guidelines. Doctors are in any event too busy supervising the “poison death shots” to be bothered about mask exemptions.

JohnK
4 years ago
Reply to  Rowan

It’s a good example of how things are being manipulated. Many try to make people believe that the concept of exemption is equivalent to a grant from someone else, or a licence. It can be declared unilaterally, in reality. No one has a right to demand why it’s been done, and they will put themselves at financial risk, either by loss of trade, or having to shell out for damages. Let them know that they can expect a letter from your solicitor.

RW
RW
4 years ago
Reply to  Annie

A formal complaint is of no use against a broken tooth.

Rowan
Rowan
4 years ago

I have attended my usual long term dentist (private only) twice in the last 12 months for routine checkups and cleaning. I didn’t wear wear a mask on either occasion and nor were any questions asked as to why. The hygienist was her normal self and the dentist subsequently examined my teeth without wearing a mask. He is by far the best dentist I have ever attended and his manual dexterity is almost legendary. In conversation early last year he told me that he had no intention being vaccinated and that most of his patients were of like mind. He is now over sixty and I will rue the day he retires. Regrettably for some, his state of the art practice is well north of Watford.

AN other lockdown sceptic
AN other lockdown sceptic
4 years ago

I had a similar ‘experience’ at the vets last autumn.

During said ‘experience’, I asked the vet what he thought the IFR was. He said 5%.

The practice manager phoned me afterwards, I thought to apologise. I explained the fact that they were actually breaking the law and should be aware of it (by asking for exemption proof). She noted that but then went on to tell me off for upsetting her staff and asked for a guarantee that I wouldn’t upset them again.

During this conversation, I asked this manager what she thought the IFR was. She said 15%.

This is what we’re up against, as I’m sure many of you already know.

We’ve changed vets.

sophie123
4 years ago

They are too stupid to treat your pets anyway.

Star
4 years ago
Reply to  sophie123

Worth mentioning that it is a legal requirement for pet dogs to be microchip-implanted in Britain and there are about 12 million of them.

For those who are planning the mass chipping of human beings, that provides a useful dataset. One big player in the field of canine microchipping is Bayer, the pharmaceutical company.

It is practically impossible to bring an unchipped pet dog into Britain (or more precisely the Common Travel Area, because the Irish border is no problem) unless you are prepared to take a huge gamble. If you got caught doing this, the state would murder your dog and portray you as a potential spreader of the rabies virus.

So we have a few themes coming together there that relate to developments in the management of humans…

TheyLiveAndWeLockdown
4 years ago

Don’t risk your animals with innumerate and wilfully medically malinformed staff!

Star
4 years ago

Vets have a long history of recommending unnecessary annual “booster” vaccinations for dogs.

Some even sell special pills for helping pet dogs cope with Bonfire Night. (Keeping the dog inside the house, comforting them when a firework goes “wheeee” outside, and maybe playing loud music if necessary, will almost certainly be sufficient – but that’s all common sense, and common sense doesn’t sell unnecessary harmful rubbish.)

Most pet vet clinics are controlled by one company: Hill’s.

Moderate Radical
4 years ago

It’s astonishing. One thinks the IFR is 5%, the other thinks it is 15%. They are utterly ignorant, they’re clearly guessing, and yet they appear to wear their ignorance as a badge of honour.

We have without doubt entered a period where ignorance is considered a virtue, and knowledge considered a sin. If you blindly go along with the arbitrary decrees of the regime, you’re a good citizen; if you question the arbitrary decrees of the regime using reason and data, you’re a bad citizen.

Tell me I’m wrong. Tell me this is not a true representation of the situation in which we find ourselves.

Annie
4 years ago

If, as in our pathetic practice, all the vets are muzzled and the all dogs are free-faced, there’s something wrong.

bresbo
bresbo
4 years ago

I visited my dentist (yes, South East) a couple of months ago. The usual rituals (ie Covid garlic waving) at reception and I was in to the waiting room. Masks are obligatory; I wore one – I’ve also got an exemption badge – but sometimes it’s best to choose one’s battles. And the waiting room was empty, so I sat down and took my mask off. The Receptionist came in to check something, no comment about my barefaced barefaced’ness. A few minutes later another patient arrived. She was masked. As she sat down – troublemaker that I am – I went over to her and asked if she would prefer it if I wore a mask. With a “Thank heavens, no”, she removed her mask.

When the revolution comes, I think there’ll be an awful lot of people on the side of sanity. All it needs is the right spark to light the fire.

sophie123
4 years ago
Reply to  bresbo

It’s so stupid anyway. You’re going to have to take the mask off for treatment. Do they think the covid particles just stop at that point?

Rowan
Rowan
4 years ago
Reply to  sophie123

Indeed, but remember how the tricky little virus would only do its dirty work in pubs and cafés if you were standing up. Anyway it seems the latest version doesn’t do height discrimination and whether that’s a good or bad thing remains to be seen.

Marcus Aurelius knew
4 years ago
Reply to  Rowan

The virus has been told not to discriminate against midgets; they need covid just as much as anyone.

No, wait a mo, I got a bit confused here… er, bear with me..

Arfur Mo
Arfur Mo
4 years ago

The homeless also seem quite immune – maybe because they have restricted access to the MSM and TV?

Lucan Grey
4 years ago
Reply to  bresbo

Somebody has to be Rosa Parks

Emerald Fox
4 years ago
Reply to  Lucan Grey

Everybody’s scared of going to prison.

CynicalRealist
4 years ago
Reply to  Emerald Fox

Maximum penalty under the muzzle law was a fine.

TheyLiveAndWeLockdown
4 years ago
Reply to  CynicalRealist

and all the challenged fines were thrown out of court.

Arfur Mo
Arfur Mo
4 years ago
Reply to  Emerald Fox

The offense are civil, so prison is not an option – unless you are Craig Murray exposing deep political shenanigans.

Beowulf
Beowulf
4 years ago

How I’d love to hear of someone refusing to remove their mask for dental treatment on the ground of ‘safety’. Surely. at that point, the absurdity of the mask protocols would, so to say, be unmasked.

Arfur Mo
Arfur Mo
4 years ago
Reply to  Beowulf

If the dentists are claiming H&S, their H&S risk assessment has to be based on evidence, not airy-fairy ‘someone might be upset’. There is no evidence of asymptomatic infection. There is no evidence for efficacy of mask use. There is evidence that poor mask hygience can result in bacterial pneumonia infections. H&S risk assessments are allowed to transfer risk from one group to another.

The old bat
4 years ago

I have had no problem at all with my dentist (I do have a genuine medical reason for mask exemption, but I don’t carry a printed off card or wear a lanyard). However, I did with my vets practice. In fact, it is the only time I have had an argument with any business at all. I told the vets receptionist they were discriminating against the disabled as they told me to leave the building. The irony is I have been a regular visitor to the vets and this had never happened before, so I can only assume it was down to a different receptionist. In the end I did nothing about it, but I am waiting to see what happens next time I go. If I have a problem again, I will pursue it. They are not allowed to do this.

The old bat
4 years ago
Reply to  The old bat

I should add that my dog is halfway through treatment which has been paid for, so I can’t change vets at the moment, or I would.

Proveritate
4 years ago

There is no evidence that would stand up that face coverings keep anyone ‘safe’, whether the wearer of others.

This behaviour is indicative of a malaise of enormous proportions. There is so much evidence that governments and the media are having a very damaging effect on the way people think, and what they think. They can get most people to believe almost anything about anything.

If the West carries on like this then it has no moral high ground to go lecturing those ‘regimes’ (itself a loaded term) who indulge in the mass formation of ideas by propaganda, brainwashing, censorship and intimidation.

Star
4 years ago
Reply to  Proveritate

Re. your last paragraph – when do you think the West ever had such moral high ground?

Proveritate
4 years ago
Reply to  Star

My point was that it claims a moral high ground to be able to lecture certain ‘regimes’, but it is increasingly difficult to justify that ground as higher when it indulges in the same evils.

Mark
4 years ago

“He told me I must leave the practice. I enquired as to why and he said it was because I refused to wear a mask and he must keep his staff “safe”.

I was told I was not allowed ever to return”

The very definition of authoritarian zealotry, to the point of irrationality.

Star
4 years ago
Reply to  Mark

An insurance contract may have played a contributory role. Vets, medics, solicitors – they all work on the basis of insurance.

Which is not to say that those who’ve never thought for themselves since they were about 18 months old and who enjoy most of all bossing other people about aren’t enjoying the first stage of the current fascist era like nobody’s business.

Mark
4 years ago
Reply to  Star

Yes, insurance “health and safety” tyranny has been a major problem for many years.

RickH
4 years ago

To be fair, I’m not sure that this sort of stupid and ignorant excess is typical. When my dentist was punting for trade a while ago, I enquired if masks were an issue, and they assumed that I was concerned about them not being worn, and assured me it was no problem.

WasSteph
WasSteph
4 years ago

I had a little bit of a run in with my private dentist about this. I thought I’d won the battle on the first visit and was treated without issue. However I saw a notice on my second visit asking the non masked to wait outside! I challenged this successfully and trust I will never be challenged again. In private conversation with the practice manager I learnt that they are being pushed by the BDA to be very strict but that the principal has well and truly had enough and fails to understand how all their decades of experience in infection control is not enough, especially as they have to treat gaping mouths anyway. We all just have to keep pushing back.
Also, my husband was point bank refused treatment at the GP and simply had to return home untreated. When he challenged this on a subsequent call to the practice manager they rowed back in double quick time. Again, we just have to keep pushing back.

Star
4 years ago
Reply to  WasSteph

pushed by the BDA to be very strict

^ This is important.

Lucan Grey
4 years ago

According to https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/face-coverings-when-to-wear-one-and-how-to-make-your-own/face-coverings-when-to-wear-one-and-how-to-make-your-own

And despite “The legal requirement to wear a face covering no longer applies.”

It says:

“Face coverings and face masks will continue to be required in health and care settings to comply with infection prevention and control (IPC) and adult social care guidance. This includes hospitals and primary or community care settings, such as GP surgeries. They must also be worn by everyone accessing or visiting care homes.

You are required to wear a face covering on entering these healthcare settings and must keep it on until you leave unless you are exempt or have a reasonable excuse for removing it. Examples of what would usually be a reasonable excuse are listed in the ‘If you are not able to wear a face covering’ section below.”

What’s the legal basis for this in England?

Sandra Barwick
Sandra Barwick
4 years ago
Reply to  Lucan Grey

And the examples of reasonable excuse include causing great distress? So you just say you’re exempt.

The old bat
4 years ago
Reply to  Lucan Grey

The PM specifically said the face masks would not longer be required “in ALL settings”. I wonder if what you read just hasn’t been updated since face masks were last dispensed with in July 2021 (irreversibly, ha ha).

Aleajactaest
4 years ago

you have of course, started proceedings against said practice for breaking the law?

Up to a £9k fine and up to £7k in personal compensation. They haven’t got a leg to stand on.

Arfur Mo
Arfur Mo
4 years ago
Reply to  Aleajactaest

It would be a lot worse if their rejection is based on misuse of H&S legislation. H&S risk assessments have to be based on evidence. I would love to see their evidence for asymptomatic transmission, and for mask efficacy, not to mention prevention bacterial transmission arising from poor mask hygiene.

rtaylor
4 years ago

Most dentists are self deluded con artists who are in it for the money and letters. As soon as people realise the food pyramid is sugar promoting, the faster they will go out of business and diabetes will fall.

The old bat
4 years ago
Reply to  rtaylor

Sorry, but I can’t agree with this.

Rogerborg
4 years ago

If you do have a qualifying disability, feel free to invite them to call the police. When they show up, report that offences are being actively committed under the Disability Act 1995 and the Equality Act 2010. Then feel free to sue the business as well.

If you don’t actually have a disability, if this is just your hurty fee-fees, perhaps stop acting like such a petulant child.

Please note carefully that I don’t say “wear a muzzle”.

But don’t whinge and wave silly little cards around either.

Because every time you try to pull this stunt and your bluff gets called, you embolden tyranny against the actually disabled.

You’re not heroically standing up for them: you’re trying to hide behind them.

DanClarke
DanClarke
4 years ago
Reply to  Rogerborg

How do you prove you have a fear of masks, which is a ‘disability’ ?

DanClarke
DanClarke
4 years ago

If masks are so imperative, why are they sacking thousands of health care workers. Why don’t they just wear a mask?

Moderate Radical
4 years ago

The lack of logic and rationality is frightening. And these lunatics wonder why we call them bedwetters.

I still can’t see my doctor. I’m not worthy enough to be offered an appointment. I’m a lower-level citizen in the new hierarchical order. My doctor condescended to ring me up in a pre-booked phone appointment. I told him my troubles. He knows my troubles. Yet he couldn’t care less. I’m serious. He couldn’t wait to get me off the blower. He had zero interest in how the last two years has impacted on my health. None. I wanted to tell him what a bastard he is, smack him with data, medical ethics, etc.

How I controlled my tongue is anyone’s guess. And if I hadn’t controlled my tongue, you can bet your last pound note I’d no longer have a doctor. This whole situation is truly sick and twisted.

The old bat
4 years ago

Our doctors, too, are absent. I have given up on our surgery. The next time I need to see a gp I will pay and see a private one, which you can do within 24 hours. As the ambulance service is also so tardy, if we need emergency treatment, we will get there under our own steam. Really, it seems to me we essentially have virtually no accessible NHS treatment – unless you have covid of course.

TheyLiveAndWeLockdown
4 years ago
Reply to  The old bat

The N in NHS is Notional not National!

Arfur Mo
Arfur Mo
4 years ago

Given the Midazolam episode, and the coerced administration of experimental medical treatments for staff, I can think of a more approriate four letter word starting with N.

TheyLiveAndWeLockdown
4 years ago

If you want to get better (your health and medical service) you have to go private and not accept the ration of crap the NHS doles out.

TheBluePill
4 years ago

I have had private medical free through work for most of my working life. I’ve never used it and I always assumed I would use the NHS for everything except perhaps cancer etc. Now I consider it vital to have, and absolutely critical if you ever need mental health services. I also get a private GP service via an app which has proven invaluable thanks to the non existent NHS GP service for the last 5 years. You get an appointment within minutes, a prescription within 2 hours, and the quality of the GPs outclasses the lazy, greedy and incompetent crap GPs in my area. But why should I have these perks while the elderly cannot even get a GP appointment? When only the most astute know that the only chance of seeing a GP is calling them at 8:00:00AM precisely (the queue is full and all appointments gone literally two seconds later). I don’t object to getting a better class of service if you want to pay for it but everyone deserves more than this joke of a service. I would feel bad about using the private GP service but I try to justify it that at least one… Read more »

TheyLiveAndWeLockdown
4 years ago
Reply to  TheBluePill

It’s a sign of “public” “service” that demand exhausts supply rather than expands it.

Lucan Grey
4 years ago
Reply to  TheBluePill

 I would feel bad about using the private GP service but I try to justify it that at least one more person may get an NHS GP appointment. “

Unfortunately that can’t be the case in a supply limited system. All private provision in a supply limited system reduces the amount available for public provision.

The GPs treating you would otherwise be working in the NHS, which is suffering from a cascade collapse due to lack of staff at the moment.

The correct thing to do would be to ban private provision to free up resources for use in the public system, but that would require significant reform to the public processes first. People aren’t going to go back to serving the NHS until there is complete change in the way it is run.


TheyLiveAndWeLockdown
4 years ago
Reply to  Lucan Grey

wow you MMT types really are batshit insane..

Break the thing that works to fix the thing thats broken.

FrankFisher
4 years ago

This is rather like a proctologist insisting you keep your pants on.

Fingerache Philip
Fingerache Philip
4 years ago
Reply to  FrankFisher

Mrs FP unfortunately is suffering from a uterine prolapse (ongoing) and when she first went to the doctors, the doctor asked her “If she would mind if she examined her?”
We do wonder what the doctor’s reaction would have been if Mrs FP said NO?

FrankFisher
4 years ago

Those of us of a certain age can probably remember when dentists were among those wondering what should be done about HIV/AIDS, and then CJD actually. I do not recall an instant rush to banish potentially infected patients – rather a pragmatic and rational approach to infection control. None of that is present today. If the same logic had been in place for HIV as for covid, all gay clubs would have been shut down and gay sex criminalized.

Maggie didn’t do any of that, I wonder when we can expect to see the Guardian praising her?

rayc
rayc
4 years ago

This again reminded me of yesterday’s German parliament debate – after every boring speech a masked attendant rushed to the podium to wipe it off with some sort of disinfectant…

Fingerache Philip
Fingerache Philip
4 years ago
Reply to  rayc

Tutonic efficiency?
More like Tutonic stupidity.

TheyLiveAndWeLockdown
4 years ago

Spit on ze prisoners unjabbed!

/Blackadder

John Dee
4 years ago
Reply to  rayc

That would have been das Schnitzelweiper. It’s traditional, like Lederhosen and dirndls.

ImpObs
4 years ago

He was lucky to get a Dentist appointment in the first place!

Half my face swelled up with a tooth infection, almost closing my eye. I called NHS 101 at 5 am, they said I required emergency treatment within 12 hours.

After spending the whole day calling the numbers given me by NHS 101 service, then calling them back to explain I couldn’t get an emergency appointment, only to be given another useless list, time eventually ran out and nowhere was open.

By 10pm I gave up, I resorted to pliers, pulled the offending tooth myself. That was 4 weeks ago, I’ve still not managed to secure a Dentist appointment! (Unless I go private)

My experience is that all Dental practices are trying to limit their NHS lists, a lot I know are only doing cosmetic dentistry now (at over £1k per tooth!) it mite be wise to pick your battles regarding dentistry to avoid being completely sidelined.

Richard Austin
Richard Austin
4 years ago

I must admit it would be extremely uncomfortable to have your teeth drilled through your anus, ear or nose since that is the only way the Dentist could access your teeth. It’s rather like insisting people eat a steak with a nice glass of wine with a mask on. All I can say is that I would be worried as to whether the Dentist actually knows where teeth are situated.

sophie123
4 years ago
Reply to  Richard Austin

You must wear your mask OVER your nose. Only ear or anus will suffice for masked dentistry access.

John Dee
4 years ago
Reply to  Richard Austin

Does a steak on its own constitute a sufficient meal? Doesn’t it have to include a sausage roll, or similar?

jamesegan
jamesegan
4 years ago

How about naming and shaming this awful dental practice?? Get it shared far and wide on social media.

bluemonkey
bluemonkey
4 years ago

I haven’t been to the dentist since covid – because I can’t face this lunacy. Won’t wear a mask, sit in the car waiting for an appointment, etc.

TheBluePill
4 years ago
Reply to  bluemonkey

The dentists and support staff at my private surgery are all COVID sceptics. I actually enjoy going to chat about the latest nonsense. It’s actually pretty cheap too for routine stuff. I think they are unusual though as I know of another private practice that still won’t use a drill because of the virus!

Arfur Mo
Arfur Mo
4 years ago
Reply to  TheBluePill

My understanding is that selected practices have been permitted to use the drill in an attempt to provide some minimal form of emergency cover.

John Dee
4 years ago
Reply to  bluemonkey

I was fortunate, last year, to be in Portugal when I needed some urgent dental attention, since my own NHS dentist had been AWOL (except, I think, for extractions) for over 18 months by then. The Iberian dentistry wasn’t cheap, but at least I was able to be seen.

BJs Brain is Missing
4 years ago

Dreadful anti-human behaviour from so-called medical professionals.

Also, I would like to ask the question: If the virus is so deadly and masks stop the ingress and release of nanoparticles, why aren’t there any biohazard waste bins all over the place to dispense with masks safely, once they have discarded? At the moment they are being dumped here, there and everywhere…

HelenaHancart
HelenaHancart
4 years ago

In a local store they’ve provided a recycling(!) bin, which is currently stuffed to the brim with used, single use face nappies, that are hanging out of the top! All about health…..🤔🤦‍♀️🤡

John Dee
4 years ago
Reply to  HelenaHancart

I’m reminded of the doggerel that used to be seen in the occasional Gents lavatory:

‘It’s no use standing on the seat
The crabs in here can jump six feet!’

JayBee
4 years ago

It’s what happens when politicians decide to open the ‘businesses are above the law’ box of the Pandora again just because it suited their agenda once.

steve_z
4 years ago

“If you use swear words or say you think someone should be killed or are very rude to another commenter you will be banned.”

lol! a lot of that here is there?

I was just jumping on to comment about lockdown-loving, school-closing, vaxxcamp-installing Jeremy Vine. I think I’ll not bother now – don’t want to break house rules!

Moist Von Lipwig
4 years ago

This is mindless cultism in action.

DanClarke
DanClarke
4 years ago

The BBC appear to have totally ignored the fact that everyone attending the parties at No10 survived