Island Goes into First Lockdown as 36 Vaccinated Passengers on Flight Test Positive For Covid
Two years into the pandemic, the Pacific island nation of Kiribati has gone into its first lockdown, after 36 of 54 passengers on the first international flight into the country in 10 months tested positive for Covid. All the passengers were vaccinated. Despite that, the office of President Taneti Maamau said on Facebook: “The only way that we can fight this virus is through complete vaccination. The public is urged to complete their vaccination doses in order to protect themselves and families.” The BBC has the story.
Under the new measures, people have been told to stay at home and social gatherings are banned.
Some 36 people on the flight from Fiji have tested positive. Four people have caught the virus from community transmission.
Until last week, Kiribati had recorded just two Covid cases.
Kiribati is one of the most isolated islands in the world. It is some 5,000km (3,100 miles) from its nearest continent, North America.
On Tuesday, the government confirmed that 36 of the 54 passengers had tested positive. It said in a post on Facebook that all passengers are currently being monitored by health officials..
All of the passengers on the flight are fully vaccinated, the Government said.
However three members of the quarantine facility’s security team have since tested positive. Another person who does not work at the facility has also contracted the virus, the Government said.
The lockdown came into force on Saturday but it is not clear how long it will last.
People are not allowed to leave their homes unless for essential services. They can buy essential items from shops but only between 06:00 and 14:00.
Yet more evidence of the fantasy land public authorities are living in, where the fact that all the people infected were vaccinated does nothing at all to dent the push for universal vaccination as supposedly ending transmission. The purpose of the lockdown is also unclear, as are the criteria that would make it successful. Is the Government trying to delay the outbreak until enough of the population has had two or three vaccine doses? Even then, of course, the virus will still spread.
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Two years into the pandemic, the Pacific island nation of Kiribati has gone into its first lockdown, after 36 of 54 passengers on the first international flight into the country in 10 months tested positive for Covid. All the passengers were vaccinated. Despite that, the office of President Taneti Maamau said on Facebook: “The only way that we can fight this virus is through complete vaccination.”
My emphasis.
Surely the apex of stupidity/delusion/derangement/madness!
WTAF???
‘Surely the apex of stupidity/delusion/derangement/madness!’
Perhaps he should apply to become our new PM?
Care to explain what you find so stupid about this statement?
Because despite a very large body of evidence that vaccination does not sufficiently reduce transmission in any meaningful way, vaccination cannot therebefore be “the only way that we can fight this virus”. The strategy is fundamentally flawed. This example proves as a reminder, since indeed a plane of entirely vaccinated passengers can carry covid around. This is nothing new, we’ve seen the same with various cruise ships, most recently the Royal Caribbean Symphony.
He did not refer to stopping transmission, though. This is your own straw man (suggested to you by our dear Dr. Jones).
You tell me what he might mean by “The only way that we can fight this virus is through complete vaccination.”. Does he mean to eradicate it? Defeat it somehow? If not, then he ought to choose his words more carefully and be more precise. These vaccines certainly won’t help with either of those things, as demonstrated … <checks notes> … everywhere. Remember, he said “complete vaccination“, what does that tell you?
Complete vaccination means having the complete set of doses of the vaccine, which reduces the risk of getting seriously sick. “Fighting the virus” of course includes making people less sick of it.
What is a complete set?
According to current data, three doses.
JERUSALEM, Jan 18 (Reuters) – Israel will continue to offer a fourth COVID-19 vaccine shot despite preliminary findings that it is not enough to prevent Omicron infections, the Health Ministry said on Tuesday,
Or in Israel, 4
Dear Ray
I have 2 relatives with the “complete set” of 3 doses – double jabbed and boosted which you seem to misguidedly believe somehow “fights against” or offers protection from the disease being called covid 19.
Both of them have caught it for the second time.
They are not the only people I know in that situation.
Are you getting it yet?
Did they end up dead or in ICU ward?
99.7% of people don’t end up dead following an infection of Covid19 irrespective of ‘vaccination’ status, so what’s the point of your question “Did they end up dead or in ICU ward?” other than to assume that if they didn’t end up dead or in an ICU ward, it was because they were ‘vaccinated’, which would be an assumption you couldn’t prove?
And that the ave age of death from covid is 82.5, which is higher than the overall life expectancy (ONS).
So you are saying covid is actually good for you?
It very well could be (if it even exists), as it would give your immune system a kick. Otherwise it’s a bit like having a car that you never drive for 5 years – all rusty and seized up when you try to go somewhere after that amount of time.
Our immune systems need to be constantly tested and flexed.
And when you are testing and flexing and gasping for air, and the lungs are no longer working, what then?
23 months gone by and I haven’t seen anyone anywhere wheezing and gasping for breath.
I see supermarkets and garden centres full of people, and schools filled with children.
I see people driving their cars everywhere. There are people in pubs and restaurants.
This is all I need to show me there is no ‘pandemic’. I may be wrong, but based on what I have seen, I’d have just carried on as things were pre-2020, before people became victims of Government advertising campaigns and all hysterical about nothing.
you’re a fucking imbecile, just thought you should know that
It’s a cold mate. I know it. You know it. We all know it.
People, ignore this guy – he’s obviously drunk or hit his head on something hard recently. He probably breathes with his mouth open.
You mean like those poor souls who were already knocking on Death’s door with many other illnesses? The 0.03 per cent of people who contracted it?
I heard getting a vaccine also gives your immune system a little kick and allows you to test and flex it.
Excellent example of conflation….hardly rational.
Did you know that on average everyone is a millionaire?
But we do know what proportion of each group (vaccinated/unvaccinated) end up dead or seriously sick. And, unlucky for your pet theory, the unvaccinated are still overrepresented.
These ‘Covid vaccines’ are like the Tiger Stone you can keep in your pocket.
“Thank goodness I keep this Tiger Stone in my pocket, otherwise I could be attacked by tigers. Of course it works – do you see any tigers round here!!”
Be burning witches next. The ones with the toads as ‘familiars’ are the worst.
No, they’re not.
The ‘unvaccinated’ are still overrepresented in the proportion of each group who end up dead or seriously sick only because the ONS classifies ‘vaccinated’ as ‘unvaccinated’ for 14 days after vaccination. That, conveniently for TPTB, shifts the blame for deaths or adverse reactions to the vaccines into the unvaccinated.category. How convenient and how very Orwellian. As Orwell might have said:
‘War Is Peace. Freedom Is Slavery. Ignorance Is Strength. Vaccinated is Unvaccinated (for 14 days)’.
Come on then. Give us the percentage out of all the unjabbed in the UK that have gone on to die of (what they call) covid in the last 6 months and the percentage of jabbed.
When you’ve done your calculations you’ll see that they are both tiny little numbers. And then, if you’re in the mood to put things into perspective, rather than to just be argumentative and push people’s buttons, you’ll admit (if not to anyone else, at least to yourself) that you and the President of Kiribati are full of it when you talk about vaccinating everyone to “fight the virus”.
Our immune systems fight the virus. Always have, always will and jabs make a minuscule difference if any. I know it, you know it, we all know it.
They are both very ill. Still.
Your defensive and very unpleasant reply totally misses the point.
All those jabs they have had a) didn’t “protect them” from getting the virus or b) stop them from getting ill but have clearly done such a number on their immune system that they can’t mount an effective defence.
The jabs clearly don’t work and my overriding concern is that people in this situation will a) not see this and b) fall for any shill who advises them that they need “another one”
Oh, so they are “very ill” so the virus is not “just like a cold” then? Make up your mind, you can’t have it both ways.
I’ve had colds sometimes. I have never ended up in an intensive care ward or the cemetery because of them.
You are being melodramatic and have had your brain taken over by SAGE.
Non sequitur. Just because you played Russian roulette and survived to tell the tale does not imply that there was no bullet in the chamber.
It’s hard to play Russian Roulette when there is no gun.
Oh, but there is a gun, and a smoking one, all you need to do is take a peek at all those suffocating people in hospitals. But you won’t because you believe gun don’t exist. Can’t change that, can’t convert a believer.
In Russian Roulette a gun holds only one bullet, so I guess there’s only one patient in ICU and he’s there because he used some man-made technology to put a hole in his body.
Yes, I should like to burst into hospitals unannounced to see where these Covid patients are.
Yawn.
How many are suffocating in hospital? (As percentage of all the unjabbed in the population.)
‘all you need to do is take a peek at all those suffocating people in hospitals.’
rayc
Another case of attacking the straw man, Ray.
Sheep spend their entire lives being afraid of the wolf… but end up eaten by the shepherd. (African proverb)
There will never be a completion of jab updates… if you’ve been paying attention.
https://twitter.com/DavidRo27978421/status/1481602561132179468?s=20
These non-immunizing therapies are required for (a. more annual rolling infection wave variants… and (b. the updating of global digital ID bio-security panopticon systems – you can’t have one without the other.
https://thephilosophicalsalon.com/the-central-bankers-long-covid-emergency-noise-and-conspiracys-best-kept-secret/
Below the lie they need you to keep buying into… for the greater good.
If you mean balls – 2. rayc (or spud as he is better known) lacks balls.
How long is a piece of string?
Without producing company sales literature and government agency ‘modelling’ propaganda, what evidence do you have that injections with zero efficacy reduce the risk of people getting ‘seriously sick’?
At the last count some 50,000 people had been killed by the injections in Europe and the US, with millions more being seriously injured. And that is from a system of reporting that governments themselves acknowedge undercounts adverse events by at least a factor of ten.
Talk to people who run your local ICU.
You were asked for evidence,and replied “Talk to people who run your local ICU” so clearly you have no evidence. Just be honest about it rayc.
No, I will not do your homework for you. But I will give you this parting thought: “absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.”
Err…my homework? cornubian asked you for evidence, which you clearly don’t have, but it’s good to see that you now concede the fact that you have an absence of evidence. Here’s a parting thought for you: absence of evidence is precisely that.
Once again I will refer you to organizations whose task it is (and always has been) to monitor drug safety, using procedures well-established for this very task.
For example, you can find the latest PEI report here: https://www.pei.de/SharedDocs/Downloads/DE/newsroom/dossiers/sicherheitsberichte/sicherheitsbericht-27-12-20-bis-30-11-21.pdf?__blob=publicationFile&v=9
I don’t speak German and in any case you were asked by cornubian, not me. Please pay attention.
Oh man that’s so deep! And so original! It’s like we’ve never heard those words before! Clearly you’re a genius. You said “parting thought”, so you obviously know what your next action needs to be: please, take your unevidenced, crybaby mewlings, insert them in the place from which your cretinous opinions are emanating (I’m talking about your anus) and FUCK OFF.
No Need…. Daily Sceptic has an in-house doctor to write some dodgy articles on the subject.
‘Talk to people who run your local ICU.’
rayc
Wow.
Thanks, I have heard that conversation – it is not the number of sick people with CV19 symptoms, it is not the number of sick people in Hospital who acquire CV19 – neither are giving local Trust problems as seen in recent years – pre and post SARS COV2. The biggest issue is the number of isolating staff due to the monumentally stupid mass testing regime, added to those who have retired early, whether returned or not.
But then , this gets little press attention – “I wonder why?”
Have you ever done the calculation of how many people die within the relevant period, regardless of vaccination.
Instead of just accepting what you are fed, go and be sceptical ask questions, or do the sums.
It’s quite easy.. start with ~1% of people die each year, divide by 52 (number of weeks in a year, in case you didn’t know). Of course the anti-vaxx brigade attributes this to the vaccination they had a few days ago.
The anti-shoe brigade could make the same claim, because they wore shoes.
Have a big think.
Or, less sick from it.
But yes, we are all heartily sick of it.
Your mistake is using reasonable arguments against these people. They are impervious to such things.
Then …. why waste your time/talents? If it’s such a patently lost cause, then the sane thing for you to do is to not bother … and you are the sensible ones, right?
shame you included the word “talents”
I am quite sarcastic.
But then you’d have nobody to bitch about.
You don’t have the monopoly in that regard: When this site was conceived, it’s creators didn’t have you in mind I reckon.
That’s YOUR assumption. Or your straw man, as you put it.
You don’t actually know what he means by fight it. Maybe he means stop it spreading.
Oh we’re sick of it my friend! Perhaps you mean “from” or “with” it? People who can’t write the language properly don’t help.
Either you are the best spoofer, and the funniest wind up merchant on these blogs, or you are the most wilfully stupid one eyed jab zealot – competition for which nomination is fierce by some of the ill educated posts in recent times. Keep going, you induce a belly laugh each time so I am grateful for that.
As I said:
This is particularly important since the rest of the world is off the deep on this at the moment, with some countries attempting to make life so difficult for the unvaccinated so as to drive everyone to be vaccinated.
No, he does not mean “eradicate it”, but this is obviously what Will Jones wants you think that he said. See, that’s a nice example of how to do biased reporting in order to steer people’s thoughts (some would call it “propaganda”).
I should also say that the reason why you get worked up about statements like the quoted one, is that you have been primed for sensation, by content of this very site. I bet that most people outside of the echo chamber would not find anything particularly outrageous about that same statement – because they easily understand its meaning, rather than try very hard to misunderstand it.
What exactly is your motivation for visiting this site? You think you can liberate its contributors from their follies?
None. He has no motivation other than lies and ad hominem If it is who I think it is its spud, AKA Hindu Kushner and literally dozens of fake profiles to his name. Banned from other sites for his confrontational posts and condescending “I know better than you” rambles”. He has found another site to peddle his bullshit.
Is that the tosser on TCW?
The same.
The motivation is to understand the fallacies on both sides of the “debate”.
But the idea that you can ‘understand’ our fallacies is absurd. Isn’t it?
Why would it be? If I can predict your response in 90% of cases, it certainly seems like good understanding to me.
You must hate that this echo chamber doesn’t work perfectly for you.
Occasionally you will read something that’s actually correct. Some of you may actually think about it.
You’re just a nob, aren’t you?
What an inciteful comment..
Really supports your case.
The word is “insightful” or are you suggesting Mike Oxlong is offering incitement?
And you’re a bigger nob.
Oh Ray – desperately trying to back pedal now isn’t fooling anyone
“Complete”
If it does not reducing transmission , they would not lose anything by only giving this medication to those who are particularly vulnerable. As should routinely be the case with any medication, but especially a controversial experimental and apparently unusually dangerous one.
Are you ‘special’?
It would be much better for all the people be infected to get immunity, would it? You don’t care that being unvaccinated means a higher death toll????
You can’t get infected from an imaginary virus.
By all means vaccinate the very old and the immuno-compromised. Leave everyone else alone, if your innate authoritarianism will allow you to. Among the un-vulnerable, death from Omicron is as common as death from koala attack. Inhaling next to a brain-damaged Pfizer shill is more common.
“Do your homework” and get in touch with Peter McCullough – that is a discussion I would pay money to listen to. He’s only the most reviewed “working in the field” clinician so certain he would feel the benefit of your world class expertise.
How the heck do you make the leap to such an irrational conclusion as that?
There is a risk profile associated with this – you vaccinate those most at risk, which we see from global data right from the beginning to be those with comorbidities and the very old, but you wouldn’t with, say, a 14 year-old healthy male. We have well-tested historical precedents with such an approach too, e.g. influenza.
No. Why? I’m sure that you get what is implied.
My above comment was in response to this (I should have quoted it):
https://staging.dailysceptic.org/2022/01/22/island-goes-into-first-lockdown-as-36-vaccinated-passengers-on-flight-test-positive/#comment-707492
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Cheers!
Easy… If all the people are vaccinated, some will avoid catching it. Those that do catch it are much less likely to become seriously ill. Those that do catch it could get further broader immunity through infection.
Obviously this must be a bad thing, because all the people on this blog say so.
Reconsidering.. Having a good think and not listening to idiots is a good thing, as is vaccination.
Apparently this means I am also a raving communist……….
You supply your own epithets. This makes life much easier! The current batch of vaccines are irrelevant. At some point you have to get this. Vaccinate (if that’s the right word – oh, it’s not) the vulnerable – leave the others alone. Their chances of succumbing to a head cold are vanishingly small. You need to grow a pair; stop being frightened; do other things; define yourself as a multifaceted human being, not one obsessed by the fear of something that barely exists. Stop teaching children to be frightened of their own shadows. Go to Kiribati. Stay in Kiribati. Or maybe Mars. Piss off. Let the adults run things again.
Spain has the highest up take of vaccination in the EU. The figs include infants from age 5 up wards.It is said that around 90 to 95% of the population have had jabs and most of them are up to date with them i.e. where needed 3 jabs.
Still the rate of infection is increasing.
I think Israel is on it’s 4th jabbing circuit and there the infection figs are going up.
A friend of ours who had two vaccination was hospitalised for months. He was in and out of the intensive care. He was never well enough to receive his third jab. They tried to keep him alive. But it was all lost the machine he was on was turned of on Christmas day.
So no they do not work as well as we was first told.
Do you mean the question you have just posed?
You’re one of them conspiracy nuts, rayc. I’ve read about your sort on the BBC.
Australia’s policy has worked out quite well for them.
Hide until vaccinated. Hardly any deaths, compared to the likes of the UK, USA..
They paid a terrible cost in trampling over people’s freedom and making their country look like a total shithole, though.
Your point that what matters is the encroachment of the state and loss of personal freedom is not made any more valid by standing up for the efficacy of the jabs, especially when efficacy, in absolute terms and in the overall scheme of things, is basically insignificant. And even less so, when it might turn out that the jabs actually do more harm than good.
Australians in their own country did well: it was their compatriots whom they stranded abroad that paid the heaviest price.
Do you think there might possibly be something in it for them, like with Tuvalu and the Maldives over the climate scare?
That article confirms the majority of people are stupid! I shake my head in disbelief that no one appears to have learnt from the past 2 years, every country has ignored what happened on the Diamond Princess, instead they pushed ahead with the most ridiculous lockdowns and masks.
And injections, but we all know they are not what they say they are about.
But were they double masked and triple distanced?
triple wrapped in cling film might do the trick
Vaccination is never complete.
Thus freedom will never return.
This is an interesting piece looking at the statistical manipulations that are being used to make the vaccines look much better than they are.
It is possible that the vaccinated are more likely to catch covid, be hospitalised and die than the unvaxxed but they can cook the books to shift all these negative outcomes into the unvaxxed category.
I know this would involve pharma and the captured government agencies lying but just try to suspend any disbelief for a second and take a look.
[sarc mode dialed up to 11]
https://boriquagato.substack.com/p/alberta-gets-caught-palming-cards?token=eyJ1c2VyX2lkIjo0NTgxMjc5MywicG9zdF9pZCI6NDczODExODYsIl8iOiJpMk1wOCIsImlhdCI6MTY0Mjc5MDU2MywiZXhwIjoxNjQyNzk0MTYzLCJpc3MiOiJwdWItMzIzOTE0Iiwic3ViIjoicG9zdC1yZWFjdGlvbiJ9.3oXVI2r0-OlmWZPo7rWNHoLj6gqzm1nQQ2FS-A1DC-0
This is phenomenal – many thanks for the link.
yep, inflate covid deaths by throwing in anyone who’s tested positive within 28 days.
Ignore vaccine side-effects and deaths by claiming you’re not vaccinated until 14 days after your shot.
edit: actually it’s worse than that. by having the 14 day vaxxed but not vaxxed period you’re also lumping all those side-effects and deaths on the evil unvaxxed population thus skewing the figures even more.
I think it used to be called fraud. But that was according to pre-March 2020 definitions.
For crying out loud so what if they tested positive. The tests are flawed, they probably display hardly any symptoms and they will all survive. Why do they keep reporting this as though it is 100% fatal grrrrrrrrrr
Yes, it’s not as if the airliner had to be targeted by a mini-nuke warhead.
Or that, after landing, the whole consignment of stinking, putrid, maggot-infested bodies had to be napalmed.
“Or that, after landing, the whole consignment of stinking, putrid, maggot-infested bodies had to be napalmed.”
Don’t give them ideas. There are sadly plenty of deluded people out there now who think that is precisely what they should do.
“Why do they keep reporting this as though it is 100% fatal”
Pretty obvious by now – to keep people scared, and to keep the money-making scam going.
Well and truly through the looking glass.
Yes, truly absurd 🙁
What a marvellous vaccine this must be!
That’s a very high infection rate for one group of people. Plus they were quarantined for 2 weeks prior to departure and had been tested 3 times. it looks like thrust be some kind of malpractice at the Fiji end. Someone is hasn’t been doing what they’re supposed to.
Or dodgy dealings at the Kiribati end.
That is the most likely explanation – the Kiribati ‘Government’ have been bribed or threatened to keep the scam going.
Is there no limit to the stupidity of these people? 36 vaccinated people arrive with Covid, and the solution is vaccination? What?
Any perceived threat from the ‘disease’ pales into insignificance next to the threat posed by this facet of human behaviour. Strewth, we are the actual threat.
Ah, but were the passengers FULLY vaxxed? It wears off, so they need more shots. They’d probably forgotten to wear masks, which also protects, just ask Fauci.
Best wishes
Bill Gates
People may be ‘vaccinated’ but they are not inoculated.
People may be ‘dead’ but they are not deceased.
So 36 out of 54 travellers plus 3 workers at the testing centre looks more like an issue with the testing process (of which we have seen numerous examples here) not a case of virus transmission.
It is looking as though the vaccinated have become a reservoir of infection.
The question is whether they eventually fight off covid and become free (and risk free for others) or whether they remain a ‘covid Mary’ for the long term.
The same can be directed at people who have the flu vaccine as that neither prevents infection or contagiousness. Hope-Simpson suggests that flu virus may remain in some people and it is they that start flu epidemics.
By the way I’m not sure Typhoid Mary actually carried the typhoid pathogen. The symptoms of typhoid are not dissimilar to different food poisonings. Mary was a cook and it is feasible that the food she prepared became contaminated with any number of pathogens. However, that is a conspiracy theory for another day.
“Some 36 people on the flight from Fiji have tested positive. All of the passengers on the flight are fully vaccinated, the government said.” -why were the passengers tested, and presumably on arrival… it doesn’t say. Were they not tested before the flight departure? Were they all negative then? the article doesn’t say. How do they suddenly become positive? Ah – planes are infected these days, are they? Yes, that must be it… “However three members of the quarantine facility’s security team have since tested positive. Another person who does not work at the facility has also contracted the virus, the government said.” So how did 3 members of the ‘security’ team get to test positive? Are we to assume from the plane passengers? It doesn’t say. And why is the fourth person not identified? And how did they get ‘Covid’ if they don’t work at ‘the facility’ (what facility?)? “the office of President Taneti Maamau said on Facebook: “The only way that we can fight this virus is through complete vaccination.” – yes, seems to be working out well, doesn’t it? Kiribati will just have to be ‘nuked from Space’ – it’s the only thing that can get rid… Read more »
`“The only way that we can fight this virus is through complete vaccination.” – yes, seems to be working out well, doesn’t it?’
As long as the vaccinated don’t end up in hospital, yes, it’s working out quite well.
“As long as the vaccinated don’t end up in hospital, yes, it’s working out quite well.”
Yeah… but many do don’t they rayc, and not just from Covid?
No, actually hardly nobody does (get hospitalized as result of the vaccination). Unless you regard 1 in 10000 as “many” (compare this to the hospitalization rate from covid in order to get some perspective… I recall TY quoting something along 1:150).
What evidence do you have for claiming “No, actually hardly nobody does (get hospitalized as result of the vaccination).”?
The vaccine safety monitoring report of German PEI, for example. And every other country’s institution of the same sort. (But of course, your theory is that they all conspire together to hide the truth.)
These people are never going to look actual real data. They prefer to swallow lines from the anti-vaxx playbook.
About 1 in 5000 people die each week, through existing causes.
The ant-vaxx folk attribute all of these to the vaccine if it was taken close to the event. They think this is a reasoned argument. It is very worrying.
It just does not get into their thick skulls that the risk is determined by comparing to the background rate of each disease purportedly caused by the vaccine.
OTOH, I can understand this confusion because the authorities have done an exceptionally poor job of communicating how vaccine safety is actually determined.
Another post from Will Jones where he willfully (no pun intended) misunderstands what was said to advance his own agenda.
At no time did president of Kiribati claim that vaccination would “end transmission”. The phrase “fight the virus” simply refers to reducing risk of getting people hospitalized with severe sickness – and vaccination is the only known method of doing that (apart from complete contact avoidance with the infected).
You can disagree whether it’s necessary or appropriate to “fight the virus” at this stage, but you can hardly argue that vaccination does not help “fight the virus” by making people less likely to get severely ill.
Despite the down votes I can see where you’re coming from.
None of the vaccines against SARS-CoV-2 actually prevent infection or infectiousness, that is acknowledged. However, the same maybe directed at the influenza vaccine.
This is more about the ability/inability of the local healthcare facilities to handle serious acute cases of CoViD19.
A parallel can be drawn with the requirement for yellow fever vaccination in certain countries. This is not to prevent the person bringing in yellow fever as it is already endemic in that country, but it is to try and prevent the person from contracting the disease and to be an additional burden on the local healthcare facilities.
Yep, and everybody except the self-proclaimed “sceptics’ understands what is meant. Also, I would like to hear the sceptics’ alternative proposals of how to deal with the virus (which we know is potentially dangerous to old people) in a situation like this (a small island with limited healthcare resources to which infected tourists arrive from abroad). I’m waiting…
It’s no more ‘potentially dangerous to old people’ than most similar pathogens. See (again) The Diamond Princess.
Actually, it’s several times more deadly than flu, but you are sure welcome to cherry-pick data to prove otherwise.
What is potentially dangerous to old people is not being able to afford their heating bills. Rishi Sunak had another £20/week off them, didn’t he? No worries for Dishy Rishi and his £400,000 house extension.
I have a solution to this so called virus:
LET IT F*CK#NG RIP!
The best response to this pseudopandemic would have been not to respond.
If you want a few more million dead, yes.
Keep drinking the Kool-Aid.
Rishi’s seen to that by depriving the poorest families in the UK of £20/week Social Security.
You could apply that logic to rayc and rational.
“Self-proclaimed” sceptics? Are you doubting our scepticism?
If you want alternative proposals I refer you to the FLCCCA treatment protocols – ivermectin etc. are really cheap, which is ideal for an island with “limited healthcare resources”.
Your scepticism is actually very clearly missing.
If you were sceptical, you would be saying “I wonder if this is true” and ask further questions to find out.
This is not the behaviour on this site. You simply adopt a position and select what you read/watch to bolster your position.
I simply adopt a position? Why would I do that?
Confirmation bias is a human thing. It brings the sweet feeling of certainty and also of social belonging by being surrounded by people who think the same and fight for a “just cause”. Just look at all the MSM sheep. They just picked a different shepherd than you.
“This is not the behaviour on this site.”
I thought ‘Covid’ was a scam a year before I discovered this site. It was a pleasant surprise to find out I wasn’t alone is suspecting something wasn’t quite right.
Yes, I am doubting your scepticism, because the word “sceptic” does not actually mean “denier of reality”, but a person capable of critical thinking.
Then I suggest you prove your assertion that I am not capable of critical thinking, oh, and provide some evidence that you are.
Limited healthcare resources? 400 £billion squandered on face masks, Test & Trace, Serco and Deloitte consultants working for £500/day??
Acute Covid is rare.
I am using acute in its medical sense, a sudden onset of illness or injury, whereas chronic means an ongoing illness. Pneumonia is acute, whereas diabetes is chronic. It is possible to have acute on chronic, exacerbation of asthma would be acute on chronic. Although a serious acute case of CoViD19 has a low probability particularly in such a small sample, if one was to occur then could the local health care system manage? They’re unlikely to have ECMO for example.
The DTs don’t know what an ECMO machine does, evidently.
It’s just too easy isn’t it to keep pushing the approved narrative lie that only “vaccinations” are the way forward out of the never ending Covid waves they actually guarantee we encounter, meanwhile the more jabs that go into coerced arms – the more damage unfolds:
https://www.scivisionpub.com/pdfs/us-covid19-vaccines-proven-to-cause-more-harm-than-good-based-on-pivotal-clinical-trial-data-analyzed-using-the-proper-scientific–1811.pdf
There were always other good medical interventions available from the very start – the truth of which was systemically suppressed:
https://swprs.org/on-the-treatment-of-covid-19/
https://trialsitenews.com/groups/covid-19-early-treatments/forum/discussion/there-are-so-many-ways-to-stop-covid-19-and-variants-besides-mandated-vaccines/
Can you tell what it is yet?
“At no time did president of Kiribati claim that vaccination would “end transmission”. The phrase “fight the virus” simply refers to reducing risk of getting people hospitalised with severe sickness – and vaccination is the only known method of doing that (apart from complete contact avoidance with the infected).” Dont think you have clocked this have you ( amongst many other similar articles) ? Pfizer CEO admits current Vaccine offers zero protection against Covid-19 – The Expose So let me get this right: get vaccinated and you don’t get seriously infected so will not be hospitalised if you live on Kiribati. Meanwhile in the UK , vaccinated patients are known to be admitted to hospital with serious sickness – thats serious CV19 symptoms I gather. Must be the luck of the draw in jab batch number correlated to location. “..and vaccination is the only known method of doing that (apart from complete contact avoidance with the infected)” – once again please ring up Peter McCullough and ask him, as an example of an in the field treating physician among a load of others, who have , apparently because I have only watched him relate his experience and not had the… Read more »
President Taneti “Canute” Maamau
The only other way to fight the virus (apart from vaccination) would be to behead all passengers who tested positive promptly upon arrival.
Shooting and incinerating anyone who tests positive for ‘Covid’ would be one answer.
Now, who wants to test themselves? I have some free LFTs to hand out… no takers? Strange…
I had a conversation with someone yesterday who was telling me that after a christmas party, where most attendees were over 60, nearly all of them had caught Covid. “What?” I said. “They were all ill?” “Oh no” She said, “They all had positive tests which showed they had all caught Covid, but no, none of them were actually poorly.” However, this was spoken about in a hushed voice, as if something terrible had happened, and all these people were on their death beds, instead of feeling perfectly well and kicking their heels (more fool them for taking tests). All these people were apparently vaccinated. The relevance is that, yet again, people are equating a positive test with an actual live case of covid, which is probably what has happened to this plane load of people. It’s not covid unless they are clinically examined and are ill, although you would hope people would be able to tell if they have a bad cold, but these days I have my doubts. I mean, do people who produce a positive test, yet feel fine, REALLY think they have got covid and take to their bed/phone the doctor/drink lemsip?
Yup.
Antivirals?
Those seem to be 1) costly 2) come with far more side effects than the vaccines.
HAHAHAHAHA, only if you look at recently “approved” ones…
Care to clarify if you have deliberately excluded out of patent and repurposed drugs…?
Vitamin C, D, Zinc, hydroxychloroquine, exercise, diet and good mental health would help. Cheap too.
Ah, but you see, any evidence, figures or study along these lines are unreliable/wrong/unproven. On the other hand, everthing ‘supporting’ the ‘vaccines’, and other measures, are reliable/good/proven.
🙂
You really do write some bollocks.
Or is it a pair of bollocks doing the writing (rayc/rational)?
Really cuasing impact with your debating skills.
Anyone who needs to know what the term ‘cognitive dissonance’ means would do well to read this report. It’s a case study.
I suspect that the raison d’etre of this story is to bolster calls for a global ban on international flights.
It is, however, a perfect example of how useless the experimental jabs are at doing what we are told they are supposed to achieve.
It was always about restricting international travel – its just the majority of people haven’t realised it yet.
I don’t know how long it takes you to find some of these articles but they are funny, in a phythonesque sort of way.
The only funny thing is how easy it is to manipulate the naive readers of this site into attacking all the straw men you serve them.
And of course, the other types: those who keep their masks on while bathing in the sea; while alone in a car; wearing a mask when no one in the vicinity but promptly removing the mask on entering a busy cafe, etc, etc, etc. No maniupulation/naivety on that side of the fence then?
Nobody said that, but you’re welcome to assault another straw man.
‘So, how many people exactly are you willing to sacrifice?’
raye
and you accuse others of attacking the straw man.
Yes, I often think that. Ludicrous.
“The only way that we can fight this virus is through complete vaccination. Were the passengers sick? Why fight the virus if they weren’t and how do they know what symptoms you may have had? What are we protecting ourselves against, 2 years after for the UK and still ambiguous
Because they may get the local elderly (who may have no immunity because of the isolation) infected and killed. Difficult to grasp?
You’ve really bought into the Scary Fairy.
Actually there could be a genetic predisposition to contracting serious respiratory tract infections. Then there are epigenetic effects.
Caucasians do not develop sickle cell, but people living in areas with malaria do develop sickle cell as sickle cell is protective against the malarial parasite.
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Like when westerners first landed on strange islands?
Which is ironic if you think about it, as that’s what lockdowns are helping to create – your immune system not getting enough workout because you are isolating yourself from other people. So that when you go out and catch something, you could end up very poorly indeed.
As long as people are not dropping like flies then so what?
The entire cases driven lockdown approach has never made any sense since day one – read some of the Black Death diaries and journals to get some idea of what real deadly pandemic is like to live through – shutting down entire nations because some people have tested positive for a virus that for the vast majority of that population will have 99+% survival rate is completely baffling?
The world has gone completely mad.
So, how many people exactly are you willing to sacrifice? And what gives you the authority to decide that?
A lot less than the government has done!
How naive of you [/s].
Sacrifice? Some people love melodrama – you should go on the stage!
Tuberculosis kills 1 million every year.
In what way is this relevant?
Replying to rayc asking how many are you willing to sacrifice? There is a TB vaccine that used to be administered regularly to 14 year olds, I know because I had it and have the scar to prove it. This vaccine is no longer administered regularly as it was less than 50% effective, however it is still given to people who are at high risk in this country. Despite this there are still 1000000 deaths per year worldwide from TB, mainly in the Indian subcontinent, and it is still present in certain communities in certain cities like Leicester or Bradford. This is targeted vaccination, as a little protection is better than none at all. TB does not disappear, but can remain inactive and asymptomatic, in these circumstances the person is not infectious. Should the TB become active then they should wear a mask, which does reduce the spread through mucus. Certainly in hospital a person with active TB has to wear a surgical mask and are isolated.
Ya know, there is an effective vaccine against it, just not available in poor African countries.
Now you can fuck right off you cheeky sod! You dare talk about sacrifice?
I am fricken incandescent with anger.
Do you not realise what you have actually just said?
That accusation can not more appropriately be directed at an entirely different group altogether?
Actually no, it best fits the group which suggest that people should just ignore it and maybe die as a result. And yes, you are angry now because truth hurts. You will maybe get over it (but more likely your beliefs will just become reinforced, this phenomenon is well-researched and known as polarization).
The view is basically that of the Great Barrington Directive, briefly condensed to this principle.
“To hell with the vulnerable”
I think the GB guys did recommend to protect (i.e. vaccinate) the vulnerable.
77 going off script.
Sarg?.?.
Throughout all of this woeful episode we have had: consistently shit forecasting from consistently shit forecasters PCR tests used outside of their designed role – and extensively/routinely used at ridiculous thresholds Definitions changed for vaccines and immunity Within 28 days of a + ‘test’ equates to live virus, and a covid death (initially, even this 28 day period did not exist) 14 days post-vax is unvaxxed Admissions that mandating mask wearing was for political reasons (not just here) Politicians (not just here) and advisors flaunting their own rules (demonstrating that things are not as they would have us believe) Populations turned into gibbering, psychologically tormented wrecks Animosity between families, friends, associates Liberty, freedom of speech, science, each further trampled underfoot. Massively restricted access to GP’s, dentists, hospitals (with now 6m NHS waiting list).Untold preventable/treatable illness, death and misery resulting from lack of access The calamitous NHS purge to care homes Knowingly spun figures of ‘covid deaths’ here. Now in the region of 150,000 relentlessly pumped out (ONS FOI now blows this well and truly out of the water) The relentless attacks on anyone or anything which dares to question (or merley highlight) official claims/data Consistently being told ‘just a bit… Read more »
It isn’t necessary to come up with a figure.
The essential question is: which approach will result in the lowest loss of QALYs, the combination of lockdowns – with all of the deaths that will inevitably be caused by them – and repeated injections with experimental gunk whose long teem effects aren’t known or the established policy which was abandoned on the basis of no evidence whatsoever in March 2020.
The idea that we should only focus on deaths claimed to result from infection with a variant of this virus is absurd.
And then, even if it could be demonstrated that the current policy did reduce the loss of QALYs compared to the alternative, it would need to be shown that that reduction was big enough to justify the enormous cost.
I do not support lockdowns or other bs policies (like masks), and I agree that they have done more harm than good overall.
However, that’s not the argument here, the argument is whether you should vaccinate or not.
Whether one should get vaccinated or not depends a lot on whether it is indeed a vaccine. And the small matter of whether or not you WANT the “vaccine” administered to your person.
Was it a long flight? Perhaps the effectiveness waned during it. 😘
Woooohooo. Brilliant.
rayc, read Robert F Kennedy’s book ‘The Real Anthony Fauci’,
for the answers to your questions.
No, I’m not giving any money to your conspiracy nut shaman.
Yes, heaven forbid that Robert Kennedy’s evidence should get in the way.
But having paid your tribute to your shaman, you can quote all of his relevant “evidence” here, just don’t forget to fact-check beforehand.
Too much for you, rayc? At a stroke your arrogance and ignorance shows your opinions are worthless. Good luck with your jabs!
Such authors know their market and write books accordingly, … to get money from idiots.
Honestly, arguing on this forum often feels like giving a university lecture to a bunch of preschoolers. Or trying to get a point across to Yehova’s witnesses.
Jehovah’s. Good job you aren’t actually a lecturer.
Warning Pedant alert. Yehovah is closer to the original Hebrew name for God, Yahweh (if memory serves it should be written YHWH) than Jehovah is.
So you’ve not read his book then?
Of course not.
Of course I have not read his bollocks. Not reading books from president Trump and QAnon either.
Did you know the proportion of US citizens who believe in QAnon has dropped from 17% to 7%?
That means people can come to their senses. perhaps it will happen here.
I gave you the uptick as I know what you mean – there are many books which are pure made-up drivel and pseudo-science. Someone gave me a book last year called The Quantum Mind – how you can ‘change’ your mind using ‘quantum physics’. By… err… thinking about it. Apparently you can change your personality and become a better person by doing a bit of meditation.
American author, as per usual. Someone who has heard the term ‘quantum physics’ and thought he’d cash in on it from the gullible.
Sometimes you just have to use your own judgement to sniff out what’s real, and it easy to be fooled.
You know ‘Covid’ is a scam when they won’t let you just get on a plane and take the ‘risk’. Nobody would really bother with Vaxx Passes, and taking tests to enter buildings, if they didn’t have to.
How much did you pay for it?
I’m surprised at the number of posters here who seem to have blithely accepted that an inaccurate test for rogue RNA strands defines real illness. Doh!
Actually I don’t accept such a definition. A disease is diagnosed from signs and symptoms. A positive test does not a diagnosis make.
Or, used to be.
In my eyes it still is, but as I am now retired I cannot put that into practice. SARS-CoV-2/CoViD19 is still the only disease process that is self diagnosed based on a home test.
Yes, I know and appreciate that you still look at it that way.
There’s a new test for that…
I think they have eradicated the false-positive issue for that particular test.
If you want an idiot detector get a mirror.
The Chinese spit on every second LFT on the conveyor belt in the factory where they make ’em.
This is interesting but worrying for those with the same batch numbers.
Dr Mike Yeadon – “The findings that 100% of Covid-19 Vaccine Deaths have been caused by just 5% of the batches produced are unprecedented”
Extract from Daily Expose.
Based on extremely unreliable data dishonestly interpreted.
“are unprecedented” and also untrue.
Another example of the rampant madness and irrationality that has engulfed the planet.
I wonder how many of the four or six island residents who quickly caught the virus had also been vaccinated?
To ‘rayc’.My earlier remarks were too flippant but I’m not living on the island I’m living in the UK and have been putting up with virus BS for two+ years so please forgive me. I have now read the BBC article in full and will admit that I still may not have fully understood the narrative. It appears to suggest that by vaccinating everyone living on the island, the situation will be improved. We all know that the vaccines won’t kill the virus or stop transmission, even the manufacturers admit this. They may, based on all the evidence available, temporarily enhance the immune system thus making it a little less likely that a person will go on to contract a more serious illness such as pneumonia, but my understanding is that most people will survive without the vaccine. After the entire population are vaccinated they will subsequently need to participate in a life time of boosters which could have long term detrimental consequences to their health, I assume the President and his people are aware of this. I know it’s an isolated island but this virus has been with us for over two years, in one form or another. From what… Read more »
Nobody is really claiming at present that lifetime boosters would be necessary. That is just another scarecrow invented by the antivaxx crowd. The realistic assessment would be to do whatever can help the short-term situation and apart from that, wait and see, preparing just in case another wave strikes. If there isn’t another wave, do nothing. If it comes, use the tools at your disposal to, well, “fight the virus”. It does not have to be black and white, but you people sure do like your exaggerations. I suspect it’s for the same reason people like to read sensationalized tabloid press – makes the world so much more exciting than the boring reality. As for your assessment that the virus is “no worse than cold”, the numbers of deceased surely disagree with that. I do not recall colds killing millions of people and causing healthcare emergencies across the world. It is possible/likely that covid will become “no worse than cold”, and it may or may not have happened already. But having seen what havoc it can wreak, maybe it’s just reasonable to remain on “high alert” for just a little bit longer. Anyhow, assuming, for the sake of argument, that… Read more »
“As long as it’s not forced on anyone…”. Have you heard about a little country called Austria? Or Greece? Or Italy? Or the UK organization called the NHS (I think that stands for National Hypodermic Service)? I disagree with your solution which you seem to think is the final one.
Yes, and I am firmly against the obligatory vaccination, and will remain so.
Well that’s good of you. I heard there were many Good Germans who were against the persecution of the Jews.
We have no idea of the long term consequences of being injected with these gunks.Why is that so hard to understand?
A correction regarding lifelong medication, it’s not just the elderly. Type 1 diabetes, type 2 diabetes, rheumatoid arthritis, lupus, hypothyroidism, hyperthyroidism and asthma are examples of long term conditions that affect younger people and require lifetime medication. In fact hypertension and diabetes are likely to develop before a person is old enough to be classed as an older person (>= 65 years).
“Nobody is really claiming at present that lifetime boosters would be necessary. That is just another scarecrow invented by the antivaxx crowd.”
I was condemned as a ‘conspicacy nutter’ 9 months ago for suggesting there would be a SECOND jab. Now look where we are – FOURTH already being given. 20 spaces on some vaccination cards.
“just in case another wave strikes….. you people sure do like your exaggerations.”
Do you read what you write?
So 34 ‘vaccinated’ passengers arrive in Kiribati and are found to be infected with SARS CoV 2 and that’s a reason for the islanders to get ‘vaccinated’ against SARS CoV2? Am I missing something here or is the Government of Kiribati?