The One Thing That Might Persuade Me to Get Jabbed
In my most recent Spectator column, I describe my recent bout of Covid and why it has almost – almost – persuaded me to get vaccinated.
While I was ill I read the following sentence in an article by Ed West, which put the wind up me: “An unvaccinated man in his fifties has about a one-in-150 chance of dying if he catches Covid, and is much more likely still to be hospitalised, put in ICU and left prematurely aged.” He didn’t give a source for the one in 150 figure, but that was on the high side, surely? Concerned, I commissioned a professor of epidemiology to calculate Omicron’s infection fatality rate for my Daily Sceptic website and he came up with 0.04 per cent, or one in 2,500, a figure that includes the vaccinated. Slightly higher for men in their fifties no doubt, but not one in 150.
However, the second part of Ed’s sentence – that the unvaccinated are more likely to end up in ICU than the vaccinated – is probably right. Was that where I was headed? I know, I know. My chances of being hospitalised, let alone put on a ventilator, were low, assuming it was Omicron. But what if it wasn’t? Or what if it was and I just got unlucky? I could picture the newspaper headline: “Unvaccinated lockdown sceptic in intensive care with severe Covid.” It wouldn’t be long before the BBC’s Clive Myrie was standing at the end of my bed, microphone in hand, asking me how I felt about not being jabbed.
This, for me, is the best argument against remaining unvaccinated. Not the risk of being in ICU and left ‘prematurely aged’ or worse, but the absolute certainty that if that happened I would be ridiculed mercilessly by my enemies. Totally undeserved, of course. I’m dubious about the effectiveness and durability of the Covid vaccines and concerned about the lack of medium- and long-term safety data, but I think of myself as a ‘vaccine sceptic’ rather than an ‘anti-vaxxer’ – and even that is over-stating it, as I’ve got nothing against the MMR. Nevertheless, you can bet your bottom dollar that if I was hospitalised with the virus I would be branded a “leading anti-vaxxer” and pilloried accordingly. In the eyes of the vaccine enthusiasts, anyone who expresses the slightest smidgen of doubt is a science-denying ‘conspiracy theorist’ and if they’re laid low by COVID-19 that’s divine justice.
Worth reading in full, obviously.
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or thinking vaxxer
I did my own risk calculation – I’m 51. It turned out to be zero. Lo and behold – I had a tickly throat for a few days with delta. I was right
You have to be careful with averages – the average will include 40 stone 51 year old diabetics who smoke 80 a day and have never been near a vegetable.
I imagine your risk is the same as mine – zero. How did it turn out? Did you live?
a long time ago I did the BHF risk calculator. For my age and heath profile I apparently have a 1in 1200 chance of hospitalisation and a 1 in 7000 chance of death if I get covid. Not zero, but chances I would take against the risks of a vaccine that isn’t full tested..
This is exactly the point. The average risk factors simply don’t give any indication of the risk for people in decent health. And for me that was just one more reason to be “hesitant”.
The unvaxxed have done the right thing so far, so best to keep it that way. Many tens of thousands of the jabbed though, are already long gone and most of those poor souls never even made it to the ICU.
The future for the jabbed is bleak and likely short. Never mind the mRNA and the viral vector DNA, what about the graphene microtechnology that has been found in samples of all of these heavily tainted products.
Here is a link to the “Orwell City” archive which provides an English language version of some of the findings made by “La Quinta Columna” which first broke the vaccine graphene content story early last summer. The video for the 19th January 2022 is particularly vivid. https://www.orwell.city/p/archivo.html
How does Toby know he had covid?
Indeed and how does anybody know?
They get the flu, are told its covid – and they believe it!
^^^^ This 100%.
A cough, sneeze and a positive test is all you need to believe you “have” Covid.
Or you catch it from someone who was confirmed to have it. It’s not a cold, trust me.
it has other symptoms, which can include nausea, vomiting, diarrhoea, headache, raised temperature, loss of smell, *very* sore throat.
None of my family had cold-like symptoms, i.e. a bit of a sore throat, then sneezing and stuffed nose which goes after a couple of days. We were all much more unwell than that, and MOH ended up in hospital for a week.
So the test to see if you definately had it is to be around someone who says they definately had it. Uhhhh…..
Which variant? Everyone I know who has had omicron had a cold.
Spike protein causes all of these symptoms, I have experienced this effect myself twice last year after being around recently jabbed in very confined work spaces during their ‘shedding’ phase. I now likely have antibodies to those particular ‘variants’ of spike protein, which the experts fraudulently claim are Wuhan and Delta variants of a virus they have never adequately proven to exist.
How could you forget Covid Toe aka chilblains. And schizophrenia. And paranoia generally. All symptoms of Convid. What about all the OCD it has created, what with all the sheeple and their muzzles in the cars and fresh air. All Convid.
Hiccups, tinnitus and stammering are bizarre signs of Covid too, say doctors – as it becomes clear the virus can affect the body from head to toe
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-9154783/Hiccups-tinnitus-stammering-bizarre-signs-Covid-say-doctors.html
Can attest to Tinnitus from ( for me, a very painful and obvious ear) infection that only affected one ear- recall the event vividly c 25 years ago
Twenty five years BC not AC. New Normal BC and AC.
I did a test to what my chances of being murdered in the UK are. It came out at 0.2%. I the did the Oxford covid test and it came out at 0.021 of dying of covid, I’m a very fit 51 year old. So, based on the current thinking, i should lock myself away in the house and never venture out again. I’m far, far, far more likely to be murdered than catch covid.
I think I’ll take my chances though😁.
About two years ago we estimated that according to “the government” it was safer to be a passenger on the Diamond Princess than on the streets of London. That was one of clinchers that led us to be an Early Doubter.
You have somewhat missed the point. His concern wasn’t dying. It was being in an embarrassing situation. Apparently, that’s much worse than dying.
“the unvaccinated are more likely to end up in ICU than the vaccinated – is probably right. Was that where I was headed? I know, I know. My chances of being hospitalised, let alone put on a ventilator, were low, assuming it was Omicron. But what if it wasn’t? Or what if it was and I just got unlucky?”
Couldn’t Will just carry on without you?
“This, for me, is the best argument against remaining unvaccinated … that if that happened I would be ridiculed mercilessly by my enemies.”
Best get yourself ‘vaccinated’ then – by ‘vaccines’ that aren’t.
Yes – what are you waiting for. Go and make yourself SAFE with your never ending programme of spike protein injections.
The other side of the coin is that if you get vaxxed you leave yourself open to accusations of hypocrisy if you then question mass vaccinations.
That and 15minutes after the vax he has a massive stroke.
One of COVID’s double standards is that if you end up in hospital as a result of the Vax, there isn’t the same level of pillorying
No pillorying, just embarrassed silence.
Many people see no connection between the vax and getting Covid. They make no connection at all between them. My friend’s daughter had her booster, then got Covid very quickly afterwards and is now deaf in one ear with appointments with a neurosurgeon to ‘find out’ what has happened. The daughter is 40.
Of course, you could ‘take one for the team’, get seriously ill or worse just to see the look on Clive’s sanctimonious face.
Or you could just tell Clive to get lost and mind his own business
These “vaccines” are not vaccines, they are gene modifying injections. There is no short, medium and long term trial data and won’t be.
The government push to be injected is enough on its own to convince me these injections are not in my best interest.
Billy Gates is involved. Tony Fauci is involved and hundreds of other disreputable people.
Agenda 21 / 30
Charlie and the rest of the Windsors
The US Democrats.
I’m satisfied these injections are bio weapons designed to kill and maim.
Bodily integrity.
I could go on.
And I forgot the real biggy – there’s no going back.
The injections cannot be undone.
precisely – whereas there is a shed load of stuff you can do, which doesn’t involve a needle and some dodgy chemicals, to boost your immune system and stay healthy.
Indeed HP. One would almost be forgiven for thinking that TY doesn’t read the comments people place at the foot of the articles he writes.
Has he learned nothing from what we have written???
Im interested in finding out how Toby knows he had ‘covid’?
Flipped a coin?
Yes and as the MHRA have confirmed https://www.fluoridefreepeel.ca/email-exchange-with-uk-mhra-exposing-the-genomic-sequence-of-sarscov2/ , the genetic code being injected was formulated in a computer, so these injections force the body to produce a toxic synthetic protein that is found nowhere in nature. The idea that this process immunises anyone against anything is laughable. But here we are and the very people who have written articles showing how the classification of who and who isnt injected is completely fraudulent – like everything convid related – those people are still tempted.
EMAIL EXCHANGE WITH UK MHRA – Exposing the genomic sequence of SARSCov2
https://hive.blog/worldnews/@francesleader/email-exchange-with-uk-mhra-exposing-the-genomic-sequence-of-sarscov2
WITHOUT A PURIFIED SAMPLE VIRUS UK MHRA CONFESSES THAT THE PFIZER VACCINE mRNA ELEMENT IS A COMPUTER GENERATED GENOMIC SEQUENCE AMPLIFIED FROM A RNA FRAGMENT FOUND IN ONE EXPERIMENTAL STUDY FROM WUHAN (Feb 2020).
NO SIMILAR VIRUS HAS BEEN ISOLATED ANYWHERE IN THE WORLD SINCE.
THE VACCINES ARE CREATED USING A COMPUTER MODEL!
AFTER NEIL FERGUSON’S CATASTROPHIC COMPUTER MODEL TOOK THE WORLD INTO A SPIRAL OF LOCKDOWNS, MASKS & ABJECT FEAR – HOW MUCH FAITH HAVE YOU GOT IN A COMPUTER CREATED “VIRAL” SPIKE PROTEIN BEING INJECTED INTO YOUR BLOODSTREAM?
Hmm. So I take it you didn’t squirrel away a supply of Ivermectin and HCQ along with the battery of vitamins, C, D and Zinc?
That would be odd after all this time.
I would have sent you some. My family used it along with me (51).
It was 2 days of feeling low and 6 days of low energy. That’s all.
No big deal for those who are prepared to properly self medicate.
Yes, I take HCQ and VitD3 daily for RA. I’m regarded as “extremely vulnerable” apparently as my immunity is reduced due to other meds I take for RA. But…I got all the Covid symptoms two years ago (before it was recognised as such) and although I was pretty rough I was over the worst with a week. And nothing since!
Congrats!
If one is “vaccine sceptical” but Covid-fearful, not to have these drugs on hand by now seems nuts after all the studies showing they work very well.
And pine needle tea, (shikemic acid), zinc, and quercetin (lots of lovely dark fruits, plus apples), and Peter McCullough, bless him, has a really good protocol, divided into three for different stages of the virus.
I assume you mean shikimic acid?
“Shikimic acid side effects
Almost every Shikimic acid review that you come across highlights its benefits only. However, this acid has ingredients that can cause blisters, scaling and swelling when applied on the skin. It can also cause problems of the nervous system such as seizures when taken in wrong doses.
How to avoid shikimic acid side effects
These side effects can be avoided by taking shikimic acid according to the physician’s or manufacturer’s instructions. Also consult your doctor before taking the acid as a treatment for any medical condition.
Warnings
Breastfeeding and pregnant women should not take shikimic acid because there is no adequate, reliable information about its safety on them. Infants should also not be given shikimic acid because it can cause irritability, seizures and vomiting.”
But every food is toxic in overdose, including sugar, salt, wheat, and so on. Food can cause irritability, seizures, and vomiting. So is every drink toxic in overdose: whisky, wine, coffee, tea, even water.
Had I spoken of a chocolate with whisky in before bed would you feel the need to warn of what happens when you drink too much whisky? Or should doctors be micromanaging every aspect of our food intake? We are adults who can buy OTC drugs like aspirin, paracetamol, and antihistamines. which are all potentially dangerous.
I think one of the dangers of the NHS is that introducing a third party, the government, into the payment structure can make health officials forget that they are paid by people to provide a service, and start acting as if they are a health army not a health service and the public should obey orders.
Just gave that same recipe to a chap I know who got a very nasty dose of covid-something after he got his booster. Would imagine he will laugh at it and dump it in his trash folder.
But that same recipe has kept me well and functioning very nicely thank you the whole way through the last 2 years.
My 80 year old mum is unvaxxed snd on a weekly ivermectin as prophylaxis. It’s been working a treat.
I suggest TY watches the Canadian Covid Care Alliance presentation or Dr Aseem Malhotra’s 1 min. interview on GB News. As they explain, the injection appears to *increase* all-cause mortality.
It’s surely rather naive to consider taking something which raises your overall risk of dying. The medical profession used to try to reduce the risk of death but seems to have been taken over by a gang of spivs and crooks (aka pharmaceutical companies). Why rob a bank when you can rob a country?
Does TY take vitamin D? It’s essential at this latitude, although people seem to take from 1,000 to 10,000 IU per day, I take 3,000.
If in doubt, watch the Youtube interview some time ago with David Davis MP. He has a degree in biochemistry and molecular biology so knows far more about the subject than Javid or Hancock.
Also it’s very easy to buy some ivermectin tablets via Indiamart. Keep them in stock just in case.
Oh Toby, why would you take a state-pushed injectable into your body, when all the well researched information on this site alone has found more than enough evidence to show it has potentially detrimental effects for many sectors of society? Just to keep the jeering comments from the likes of bloody Clive Myrie at bay? When, at any time in your life, or say, if this debacle had never hapoened, would you have thought this? You’d just had flu and got over it. Not pondering whether taking an experimental “medication” would have kept you out of hospital or not!
Look at it another way, given that Toby is a thorn in the butt of the multi-billion vaccine industry, something bad might happen to him and they might then frame it as “chief corona denier succumbs to a fatal covid infection”.
If Mr. P can put novichok in his political opponent’s tea, do you think international Big Pharma conglomerate does not have the means?
I’m pretty sure that many anti-vaxxers succumbing in hospitals were not accidental and not due to covid.
That’s why if I would be Toby I wouldn’t take any vaccine but also I would avoid hospitals like a plague. (I am not him but I will also avoid hospital like plague and if covid is really taking my life it will be taken at home in my bed)
There are reports of paranoid people exactly like you succumbing to covid by refusing medical help. It can happen within a day if your oxygen values drop dangerously.
Translation: TY is scared shitless and finding ways to rationalize doing the obvious against his prior silly convictions.
At least he doesn’t have to be scared shitless of completely unknown and unknowable long term effects.
I always wondered what was meant by the phrase ‘ticking time bomb’. Now I know.
Please just ignore this troll.
Silly boy again rayc, time you were off duty.
The other factor to consider is the treatments one can take to prevent or mitigate the impact of Covid, other than a vaccine. I have been taking numerous high dose vitamins and supplements for well over 18 months now, including, amongst other things, Vit D3, Vit K2, Magnesium, Zinc, Quercetin, Vit C, Nigela Sativa oil and NAC. I am overweight and just passed 60yrs old and so could consider myself highish risk. I had Covid before Christmas and the upshot was I had what was just like a bad heavy cold for under 2 days (I had no fever or a temperature), which following taking ivermectin reduced by about 80% overnight. The effect was staggering. I was never ill enough to be consigned to bed and just took one day where I rested fully. For me at least, following a prophalaxis and early treatment protocol such as that from The FLCCC has given me considerable confidence not have another vaccine ( I had the first one and had a blood clot) and have no fear of Covid. I should also say that I follow the science very closely with regards these protocols and the beneficial effects of the above vitamins… Read more »
I am pro-vaccine and anti-vaxxine. I have in front of me my genuine pre-covid vaccination card. One of the vaccines I have taken has a 10 year ‘booster’ period. The vaccine did not cause me to catch the disease, enable me to pass it on to others, or make the disease worse for me than an unvaccinated person. The vaxxines have a ‘3 month and falling’ booster period. They do not prevent the vaxxinated from catching the disease or prevent them from passing it on to others. One of the most common adverse reactions is to make the disease worse in the vaxxinated than in the unvaxxinated. And now the pathogen has mutated to its essentially non-fatal form making another variant of the common cold. So remind me, what’s the selling point for these vaxxines? These drugs are cynically called vaccines by the makers to exploit an approval loophole that requires less evidence of efficacy with lower regulatory oversight, and to exploit the public’s perception that vaccines are good per se. The 2009 swine flu vaccine gave a substantial number of children permanent brain damage. Is that good? The drug industry may think so, but lord knows what the parents… Read more »
Your third para is worth emphasising. If the manufacturers had used a proper term (say ‘prophylactic drug’), it would have been a brand new drug which would have to go through an expensive, long term, trial before being authorised for general use. But money talks, and they got away with it (for now). It is an “approval loophole” for sure.
Without having read the original article I’m a bit disappointed in Ed West.
The vaccines are a crime. There. That’s why Toby shouldn’t take any. The trials were a crime, the coercion is a crime, the claims made by shills for Big Pharma are a crime, the injecting of children is a crime. The pretence that they are needed is a crime. Every government advert, every BBC News report about efficacy, every celebrity promoting them, every action taken by regulators in connection with them, every adverse reaction, every ‘safe and effective’, every poster, every government minister, every school, every doctor’s surgery, every mandate, every certification scheme, are all crimes. And very soon, they will be publicly discredited and regarded as a crime. Now is not the time to buckle.
Super post.
every long term harm to health they might cause which is not yet known [because the whole thing is a giant global experiment] is a crime
Yes the crimes will continue to mount. And they will hide behind their indemnity, which was itself a crime.
I suspect they actually know what the long term effects will be and that’s why Bill Gates, a long time global depopulator, is also the biggest pusher of these sinister gene based products.
Now is not the time to buckle.
Absolutely – well said.
“the unvaccinated are more likely to end up in ICU than the vaccinated – is probably right.”
Toby Young still has a lot to learn.
That’s why this piece and TY is controlled opposition
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I commissioned a professor of epidemiology to calculate Omicron’s infection fatality rate for my Daily Sceptic website”
Really??…. Not
Even if it was 1 in 150 over 50s, not all over 50s are created equally, in fact it’s likely 30-50% of them are overweight, some of them will have heart disease, diabetes, smoke and not exercise (besides changing from Sly to the BBC to see who they can slander tomorrow at work).
You’ve had the Rona so now you are immune, why get jabbed? Asking for trouble.
Did he not read the article posted on his own site earlier on today where CDC announced NI is a thing – like we didn’t know all along for the last 2 years?
Maybe someone has whispered in his ear that you don’t get a gong if you are unjabbed.
But sorry to hear TY has been ill of course. Get well soon Tobes.
Yes, I read the intro with disbelief. Got Covid … well done … and then though about having an unlicensed medical product? Has his temperature affected his brain?
Can I just have some Ivermectin!
Naughty corner for you, my boy.
after a recent ski trip i developed ‘symptoms’ a couple of days after returning home – a croaky voice and feeling a bit dizzy now and then. The person sat next to me on the plane was coughing and spluttering into his mask and probably vaxxed so not pre flight tested. My 2 day test was negative and I assumed I was just a bit worn out after my trip. The ‘devastating’ symptoms continued and this morning my 5 day release test returned a positive result. What a pathetic deadly virus – Sajibjabby is full of shit – the omicon is not mild because of his amazing booster death shot program – its just fcukin mild!
i wont be having a jab for this mild irritation, should be out isolation in 2/3 days once I get a couple of negative lfts – what a bullshit virus
You have confirmed there is no need for a Major Panic :-).
Why are you ‘in isolation’ in the first place? And it’s PCR tests for ‘the unvaccinated’. One for Day 2, and one for Day 8. You can pay for another one if you want to ‘get out early’.
If the PCR for the ‘5 day release’ comes up as a ‘positive’, that means quarantine starts all over again – 10 days. And a PCR at the end, not “a couple of LFTs”.
I thought people just ignored the quarantine these days, stuck two fingers up to Test & Trace. Maybe it’s all talk and no trousers.
Oh boy, why do you keep spouting off when you are so obviously limited in your knowledge – every time the EF moron gobs off…. reality… I have to quarantine on return from abroad. As I explained to you on saturday I had ordered 2,5 & 8 day pcr tests before returning as the reference numbers are required for the passenger locator form. i appreciate you are quite simple so here goes.. I was testing each morning from sunday with LFT because I had very very mild symptoms. The LFT tests were negative sunday to tuesday so i assumed the symptoms were simply tired ness. Yesterday I did an LFT test before doing my 5 day early release PCR – the LFT was positive so i did another LFT which was also positive. I still did the early release 5 day PCR that was sent off and the result arrived in my email this morning positive. Sometime after a polite chap from T&T phoned and after answering his questions he explained that as my symptoms started on Sunday I could start doing LFTs 5 days later (ie tomorrow) and if I got a negative LFT followed by a negative LFT… Read more »
Why test with LFTs? Unless you were worried you had ‘Covid’? Is that not the sort of thing ‘dim’ and ‘simply stupid’ people would do?
As people say on this site, it’s the constant testing that is keeping The Covid Show going.
You do the first PCR test before the 2nd Day (or on the 2nd day) anyway, and send that off. Wouldn’t that suffice?
You don’t mention the result from the Day 2 PCR. Perhaps you have ‘some sort of memory issue’?
From the UK Gov site:
“If the Test to Release or day 8 test is positive, you need to quarantine for a further 10 days. Count the 10 days starting from the day after you took the test, or from when you first had symptoms if that is earlier.
People you live with in the UK, or people you are staying with, should also quarantine for 10 days from the date of your positive test.
If your Test to Release test is positive, you do not need to take the day 8 test.”
Bottom line is – few days on ski-ing trip, 1-16 days quarantine on return.
at it again retard…
My 2 day test was negative and I assumed I was just a bit worn out after my trip
its all explained above thicko – it was the 5 day pcr that was positive – can you not concentrate
it is T&T that told me I am released from isolation 5 days after symptoms and after 2 negative LFTs on consecutive days, they confirmed this with an email.
none of you’re nonsense has substance saddo, you simply have nothing of value to say
Two interesting things here, for me. One is that we now all know Toby’s vax status, if we didn’t before – hurrah for Toby (unless you are rayc ;-))! The second is that this almost, almost made me take out a Spectator subscription with the free first month just to obviously read in full, and give said mag my bank details, because I did find the above funny. But I came to my sense before all was lost. Anyway, I think Toby is right – many people who are sceptical of the jabs have indeed taking them just because they don’t want to be ridiculed if they by some chance did get really ill from the lurgy.
And it’s true isn’t it that The Guardian have been actively seeking relatives of unvaccinated covid victims so they can proselytise for their Big Pharma sugar daddies. 🤢
Its funny how they don’t hunt down the relatives of the vaxxed who have died of the dreaded coof to ask if they think the vax was a complete waste of time and effort.
Or the relatives of the vaccine injured perhaps?
‘I’ve got nothing against the MMR.’
£50 says you have never looked into the sceptics case against it.
If the survival rate for my age group and health status was far far lower than 99.8% – then of course I would have considered having the jab – I have nothing against vaccines at all and have had them in the past – but the fact is that the risk was so low for me personally that at 99.8% I never felt in any real danger and would have probably had a higher chance of being hospitalised because of some serious side-effect related to the jab than being hospitalised with covid.
For me personally the threat of covid has been on par with the threat of seasonal flu and I’ve never even had the flu jab because I’ve never felt at risk from the flu virus and have never taken anything stronger than Lemips when I got it
When the jab rollouts were first announced for my age group I took the decision to take Mike Yeadon’s advice and wait for a few moths to see what happens first – I’m glad I did because the longer this goes on the more I’m convinced I made the right decision to refuse the jab.
Thank you Mr Yeadon.
The government and it’s advisors have everybody classed as weak and vulnerable as soon as they hit 50. The reality is there are huge differences between the weakest and strongest at late middle age. Toby and his mate Delly both look in good shape, more chance Toby of coming to harm by being struck by lightning, or drowning as by the CCP Virus.
If you want a regular injection of fear, it is still just as easy to find as March 2020.
The government and it’s advisors have everybody classed as weak and vulnerable as soon as they hit 50. The reality is there are huge differences between the weakest and strongest at late middle age.
This is so very true.
I know 60-70 year old cyclists who can clock up hundreds of miles on their bikes a week – they really are super fit for their age and take very good care of themselves – and yet i know of twenty-somethings who can’t even walk down to the corner shop without getting out of breath and needing a cigarette – its all down to a poor lifestyle … usually a bad diet leading to being overweight due to sitting in front of computer gaming machines all day long.
Don’t get me wrong – I would be last person to lecture anyone on how to live their lives – if thats how you choose to live you life then fair enough – thats your choice.
Live and let live I say.
“I know 60-70 year old cyclists who can clock up hundreds of miles on their bikes a week – they really are super fit for their age and take very good care of themselves – and yet i know of twenty-somethings who can’t even walk down to the corner shop without getting out of breath and needing a cigarette – its all down to a poor lifestyle … usually a bad diet leading to being overweight due to sitting in front of computer gaming machines all day long.” Interestingly, both are probably suboptimal, if long life and good general health is your only objective. “People are well aware of the heart protective effects of exercise, and recommendations that people increase exercise quantity and intensity are common. But as I’ve written about previously, evidence from observational studies suggests that the sweet spot is reached at just 35 minutes of intense exercise per day (or two hours of moderately intense exercise), after which exercise confers no additional health benefit. After an hour of intense exercise, you are actively harming your health. There are plenty of examples of people who were thought to be supremely healthy up to the point they dropped dead… Read more »
According to DrMK, short sharp exercise is very beneficial for T2 Diabetes….?
The One Thing That Might Persuade Me to Get Jabbed… I stopped reading there….
I’m just recovering from a nasty bout of Covid, age 60+, serious heart disease.
I’m also unvaxxed and could give a you list as long as my arm why I refuse, but readers of LS know them all anyway.
Did I for a minute think I should have complied? No. Never.
As a professional trainer in the risk management of large defence projects I understand how to balance the severity of the risk with the cost of the mitigation.
They’re not on the same page. And the good news, my natural immunity is boosted with no short, medium or long term complications.
PS missus treated me with high doses of Vit C, Zinc, Vit D, antihistamine, antibiotics, paracetamol and loads of fluids..
Hmm, the one thing that might persuade me to get vaccinated?? Tricky one. I know, of course – a revolver pointed at my skull!
Well, these data are an eye-opener! I think I’m more likely to die from falling off a ladder than from covid, according to the minuscule number of people for whom covid was identified as the sole cause of death between feb 2020 and dec 2021. You won’t see this on the BBC!
https://www.ons.gov.uk/aboutus/transparencyandgovernance/freedomofinformationfoi/covid19deathsandautopsiesfeb2020todec2021
but you will on GB News!!!
“I think of myself as a ‘vaccine sceptic’ rather than an ‘anti-vaxxer’ “
I’m another “unvaccinated man in his fifties”, and I am the same – “vaccine sceptic” rather than “antivax”, though it would be more accurate to say medication sceptic, because I’ve always felt intrusive treatment of any kind needs to be explicitly and strongly justified in every case, not just enacted thoughtlessly or “just in case”.
My view is that the risks of covid are not sufficient to go out of my way for, and nor are the likely risks of the covid “vaccines” (I would probably take a different view for young people,where the potential for long term consequences is obviously far more relevant).
For me, it’s a moral issue, because of the fearmongering and lies the whole panic is based upon. To take the “vaccine” would be to cave in to pressure, and worse, would be to abandon those who were by my side in resisting the lockdowns and who are opposed to the “vaccines”.
I’m not afraid of it, but I won’t do it.
And I’ll add that the experience of the past two years has moved me quite sharply in the direction of the general antivax positions.
This is my stance too, but I also had it and it was meh so I see no reason to put myself through that.
The way we have been treated is unforgivable and I am just damn angry. So I will endure the slings and arrows simply out of bloody mindedness. Unless it comes to actual slings and arrows, then I might reconsider.
Bloody mindedness is often underrated imo.
Why did you choose to quote this relatively insignificant part of Young’s piece? The aspect you chose to focus on has been widely discussed. It’s been done. Can you explain the ‘thought process’ behind you focusing on this rather than the heavily pregnant elephant in the room which brings into focus this fraud’s ostensible scepticism?
I’m calling you out because you claim to be a conservative. Any conservative worth their salt would have picked up on the more urgent aspect of Young’s piece, which I highlight in my post. Why are you avoiding this?
Not clear to me what you are getting at here. Your post covers several points. I didn’t read Toby’s piece because I don’t have a Spectator subscription, only the extract above.
Didn’t seem to me that it was a particularly heavy duty piece – more a bit of light hearted discussion.
By the way, Toby Young absolutely is obsessed with society and social position – it runs through pretty much all his work. But he’s at least reasonably self-aware about it and has a degree of humility, so that it isn’t as obnoxious as the trait can be. However, imo this site would never have achieved a fraction of what it did without Toby Young’s drive, experience and most importantly his establishment social and work connections. They allowed him to get away with just the right balance of dissent and residual respectability, to attract the right contributors and prevent them being wholly dismissed as fringe.
He was the right man in the right place at the right time, imo.
‘Not clear to me what you are getting at here. Your post covers several points. I didn’t read Toby’s piece because I don’t have a Spectator subscription, only the extract above.’ 1. You chose to focus on this: ‘I think of myself as a ‘vaccine sceptic’ rather than an ‘anti-vaxxer’’ while ignoring the surrounding context, which is Young worrying about being ‘ridiculed mercilessly by [his] enemies’. I’m asking why. I know you’re supportive of Young for what he has done, and I understand this, but ultimately he should continue to be judged by his actions/words, and we ought not suspend judgement based on his past good work. He doesn’t get a free pass because he did good work in the past. 2. Strangely enough, the Spectator has condescended to allow us to read the article. It’s a nauseating piece. Here’s the crux of the matter, with added bold: ‘However, the second part of Ed’s sentence — that the unvaccinated are more likely to end up in ICU than the vaccinated — is probably right. Was that where I was headed? I know, I know. My chances of being hospitalised, let alone put on a ventilator, were low, assuming it was… Read more »
It’s his job. He’s a journalist and a pundit. He’s not worried about social credibility here, it’s not the Duke on the phone, it’s the battle of pundits.
That’s muddle-headed. You’re not interacting with my argument at all.
Toby has just confessed to the sin of “human respect,” to considering the opinions of men rather than God to be of utmost importance.
If he keeps abreast of all the rich scientific material linked here btl, he needn’t waste a minute calculating his personal risk. He should have complete confidence he’s made the right choice, moral and medical.