Dismissals to Begin in Days as NHS Vaccine Mandate Deadline Looms

The NHS will begin sacking staff who have not had a Covid vaccine in just 16 days as the deadline to receive the first jab approaches on February 3rd, new guidance reveals. The Telegraph has more.

All frontline staff are required to have had two jabs by April 1, meaning the first dose must have been administered by Feb 3rd. More than 80,000 – 6% of the workforce – remain unvaccinated despite repeated efforts to boost take-up.

Last week, the Royal College of Nursing (RCN) and the Royal College of Midwives (RCM) urged ministers to delay the rules, saying they could have a “catastrophic” impact on the delivery of services.

NHS guidance to employers says all frontline staff who have not been vaccinated should start being called into formal meetings from Feb 4th and warned that they face dismissal. Dismissal notices will start being issued from that day, with the notice period ending on March 31st.

Roles covered by the rules include porters, receptionists and ward clerks as well as doctors and nurses.

NHS managers have been told they can redeploy frontline staff who will not be vaccinated into backroom roles that do not involve direct patient contact. But the guidance says they do not have to be concerned with finding “suitable alternative employment”, nor will redundancy payments be made to those who are dismissed.

Separate local guidance for GPs suggests creating different entrances and exits for unvaccinated staff to avoid them crossing paths with patients. The advice, from the Cambridgeshire local medical committee, says this would be a “pragmatic” approach.

The NHS guidance says organisations should warn regulators if they identify areas likely to be hit by staffing shortages that could threaten patient safety.

Workers will be asked to show Covid passes to prove they have had their jabs, or for evidence to show that they are exempt.

The Government’s own impact assessment says 73,000 NHS staff in England could be lost because of the rules. There are currently vacancies for almost 100,000 NHS jobs, including 40,000 nursing posts.

Last week Sajid Javid, the Health Secretary, told the Commons the Government remained committed to plans to introduce compulsory jabs for all NHS frontline staff from April.

He said those who failed to get vaccinated were “standing on the shoulders” of others who had taken steps to help protect the population, adding that, since consultation began, take-up of jabs by NHS workers had risen from 92% to 94%.

There it is in black-and-white: they’re not being sacked because they’re deemed unsafe, but because others have been vaccinated and they’re perceived as free riders. It’s not about patient safety (how much difference will the last 6% really make to transmission, even if you assume the vaccines are highly effective against Omicron, which they’re not) but about vindictive, self-defeating politics that will only worsen the NHS staffing crisis and mistreat thousands of hard-working people who were heroes until last week. The Government needs to U-turn on this now before it makes yet another unforced error and further undermines its authority and support.

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DoctorCOxford
DoctorCOxford
4 years ago

I want to scream. I want a national debate on this between Javid and the doctor who already explained this. I want someone to explain how this will reduce wait times and the 6m procedure backlog lockdown created.

The government will be looking for an off-ramp very quickly from this policy. But they can’t do it now due to booster pushing (which is essentially worthless). But they will climb down.

That said, I agree that it’s time to fire some people. Just they live at No 10 or work in his cabinet.

Lockdown Sceptic
4 years ago
Reply to  DoctorCOxford

COVID Shots Make Omicron Worse, Bombshell Research  
https://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2022/01/18/omicron-vaccine.aspx
With the spread of Omicron, there’s no longer any doubt the government mandates are irrational, legally indefensible and contrary to the public interest. Yet that’s exactly what’s happening – despite the fact COVID shots can increase infection
Pfizer to Roll Out Omicron Shot in March
Analysis by Dr. Joseph Mercola

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BS665
BS665
4 years ago
Reply to  DoctorCOxford

Being unjabbed was so serious a risk for 2 years that these people were tolerated. Now it is so risky they must be fired.

Quo vadis National Hypocrisy Service?

Annie
4 years ago
Reply to  BS665

Ad infernum. In a handcart.

John Dee
4 years ago
Reply to  Annie

I was thinking more of a tumbrel than a handcart, but will settle for either.

Dobba
4 years ago
Reply to  BS665

It’s about compliance. What this creates is an NHS of staff that will comply to whatever they’re told. You won’t have staff, doctors or nurses that question why something is being done – you’ll get a bunch of mindless sheep that are told this is best for you and to bend over and take it or else.

That sets a very very dangerous precedense for our ‘Health’ service which is only concerned with remedies and not cures because it’s better to keep people locked into the system on drugs than it is to have healthy people that don’t require your subscription.

BS665
BS665
4 years ago
Reply to  Dobba

Yes. By the same token, it creates a cadre of doctors and nurses implacably opposed to covidianism. These will be on our side from now on.

Politicising healthcare will lead to open medical experimentation and probably use of sectioning to silence opposition. Health blackmail will start to increase. The camps are not too far away either.

Banjones
Banjones
4 years ago
Reply to  BS665

And a goodly pool of young men awaiting employment.

cornubian
4 years ago
Reply to  Dobba

The regime is punishing those who will not conform to their New Normal, pseudo-medical ideology. Resistors are to be hounded out of employment and then starved into submission.

TheRightToArmBears
TheRightToArmBears
4 years ago
Reply to  Dobba

And if they comply then they will have no compunction about administering poison to the public, just like their brethren in Buckenvald.

Hester
Hester
4 years ago
Reply to  BS665

And they get to work through the worst months of the winter before they are kicked out, What a truly good man is Javid and his group of friends in the cabinet. I bet not one of them or anyone in their families has to wait to be treated, no get to the back of the queue for them.

X - In Search of Space
X - In Search of Space
4 years ago
Reply to  Hester

And they get to work through the worst months of the winter before they are kicked out

Yes, blatantly taken advantage of and tolerated when it suits – then cast aside without so much as a second thought. Absolutely despicable. None of this is forgivable. Ever.

Backlash
Backlash
4 years ago

To be replaced with tens of thousands of immigrants. Anybody who cannot see that we are being displaced in our own country does not have their eyes open

cornubian
4 years ago
Reply to  Backlash

Shhh…….people dont want to be reminded of The Great Replacement – brought to you by the same people who gave us the climate scam and the covid hoax.

DevonBlueBoy
DevonBlueBoy
4 years ago

But it’s a very good way of ensuring our sainted NHS is always under pressure thus keeping restrictions in place

Hugh
Hugh
4 years ago
Reply to  Hester

I see it now. They will use the Summer months to try and make up the shortfall with doctors from places like Kenya, having previously pursued policies which led to hunger there.

sophie123
4 years ago
Reply to  BS665

Or they can keep their job if they get a vaccine for a virus that is now extinct. Yup. That makes sense.

Vxi7
Vxi7
4 years ago
Reply to  BS665

In my job I was ordered back to work immediately. No lockdown and no protection in the beginning (first 6months, not that I care) but now working through 2 years they are discussing vaccine mandates? Seriously?

Andy R
Andy R
4 years ago
Reply to  BS665

Very well put!

Dobba
4 years ago
Reply to  DoctorCOxford

I want to scream. 

I want Javid and his ilk to hang.

186NO
186NO
4 years ago
Reply to  Dobba

So Mr/Mrs/Ms Downtick, do you prefer a firing squad?

VAX FREE IanC
4 years ago
Reply to  186NO

Missed the drawn & quartered” bit

ComeTheRevolution
ComeTheRevolution
4 years ago
Reply to  DoctorCOxford

The kakistocracy are moving East – their protection racket is being moved to Russia and China away from the West, now that theyve transferred all the stolen US weapons and tech property to the East which has been in process for decades. They got the US to do the dirty work in the Middle East, now they are no longer useful and are being brought down and disposed of like used toilet roll. So they are weakening the West by destroying it. And the controlled masses are falling for it. And the treasonous governments, political parties and treasonous institutions are making it a reality.

cornubian
4 years ago

They own Russia and China too.

186NO
186NO
4 years ago
Reply to  DoctorCOxford

I completely agree; as if the madness of CV19 restrictions wasn’t bad enough, especially the mindless, ill thought out lockdowns which have put so much pressure, far greater than patients admitted WITH CV19 symptoms, on NHS staff, causing officially sanctioned absenteeism, senior, experienced medics retiring early and/or reducing their hours because they can “retire early and return”, NOW they want to reduce clinician head count because of their inalienable right ( before anti human rights legislation was enacted) to dictate what happens to their bodies and irrespective if they are CV10 recovered?

If that is not one definition of Corporate Insanity, what is? Or am I missing something in plain sight?

186NO
186NO
4 years ago
Reply to  186NO

or even CV19…

Prester John
Prester John
4 years ago

The ‘reason’ for dismissal, which for staff over 2 years service is required by law to make a dismissal ‘fair’ (as opposed to ‘unfair’) would be that it would not be possible to continue in employment without contravening a prohibition imposed by or under an enactment, i.e. the regulations requiring staff to be so vaccinated. This is a ‘bright line’ as lawyers put it, you are either one side of it or another. See section 98 (2) (d) of the Employment Rights Act 1996 https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1996/18/section/98 The only hope is to challenge the regulations as void, undermining the enactment, which an Employment Tribunal cannot do.

another armstrong
4 years ago
Reply to  Prester John

Well found, I was about to enquire of a Union Official friend of mine as to how it could be lawful. Whilst a tribunal may not be able to challenge the regulation, an Appeal Court will be able to and it is likely to be pursued all the way to the Supreme Court.
Also, assuming the dismissal is fair, that does not preclude actions under unlawful deduction of wages due to the notice period being curtailed, which may well include challenging the decision not to pay out Redundancy which is a sanction only appropriate under misconduct proceedings. Unless the formal/ written/ final written warning procedures have been followed to the letter for each individual it is difficult to see how it is lawful to refuse the compensatory payment.
However, only applying the restriction to customer facing roles is also discriminatory and would require justification. Many non customer facing roles will have some contact – receptionists etc which can be referenced to support individual cases. It will be difficult to justify applying the ruling to one section of the NHS and not the others.

DevonBlueBoy
DevonBlueBoy
4 years ago

Yes, why are the Unions conspicuously quiet in the protection of their members rights?

another armstrong
4 years ago
Reply to  DevonBlueBoy

A bit hard to change tack when your members have demanded all these protections in the name of safety. I don’t imagine it will help membership levels in the long term.

186NO
186NO
4 years ago
Reply to  Prester John

So a judicial review/High Court > Supreme Court case is the remaining option(s)?

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cornubian
4 years ago

Johnson has murdered tens of thousands of UK citizens- yet he will still get voted back in!

Prester John
Prester John
4 years ago

That only ‘front-line’ staff are affected speaks volumes about how much the monstrous NHS bureaucracy has to do with the places they actually run, they can safely work unvaccinated (in the government’s own eyes) since they do not have any meaningful contact with the hospitals (speaks volumes).

Sceptical Steve
Sceptical Steve
4 years ago
Reply to  Prester John

It’s not just the “monstrous bureaucracy”. There’s also a huge grey area of NHS clinical staff who are, even now, still being encouraged to work from home. It’s just about plausible that some specialities can, at a pinch, deliver consultations etc. by phone or video link. However, their physical absence from the hospital makes it virtually impossible for the management to redeploy them to support other areas that are struggling and where their expertise could be usefully deployed.

Ironically, in the middle of the current staffing crisis, the Trust where my wife works has announced that all staff will be granted an additional day’s holiday and a £50 shopping voucher, regardless of whether they have actually attended work.

huxleypiggles
4 years ago

FFS! For what?

Sceptical Steve
Sceptical Steve
4 years ago
Reply to  huxleypiggles

The official line is, “No matter how tired we all are both professionally and personally by the impact of the pandemic, the Trust Board have nevertheless witnessed extraordinary efforts from staff: incredible hard work; responding to the need to make changes in almost impossible time frames; flexibility and willingness to work differently or in a different area, and most of all looking out for and supporting each other. This demonstration of the Trust’s behaviours and values cannot help but make us extremely optimistic for the future of the Trust, however difficult circumstances have and continue to be.”

A cynic might suggest that the NHS is currently being flooded with money and this is predictably leading to the usual public service response, i.e. “use it or lose it”!

DevonBlueBoy
DevonBlueBoy
4 years ago

Wow, £50?? Don’t spend it all at once

thefoostybadger
thefoostybadger
4 years ago

My neighbour is an Ambulance Driver…..WFH answering telephone calls!! Work that one out.

186NO
186NO
4 years ago

and where TOH works, a temporary Covid facility is being built “on campus”; no patients, no staff and unwanted by the Trust, foisted on them by central government…cost, for what is a “tent”, is eye watering but I cannot say more for fear of identifying me and then her (and this info is direct via very senior medic who knows the numbers)

lorrinet
lorrinet
4 years ago
Reply to  186NO

You couldn’t write this in a work of fiction. It’s too far beyond the realms of possibility. Unless it was Science Fiction, possibly, even then it would require a leap into suspension of reality.

Dobba
4 years ago
Reply to  Prester John

Ironically, and I say this as ex-NHS myself so I’ve seen the fuckwits that run it first hand, the NHS bureaucrats – the ones that earn all the money and do fuck all – are usually the fat unhealthy ones that look like shit telling everyone how to run their health, while seemingly never looking in a mirror at themselves and seeing the hypocrisy seeping out of every sweaty pore.

186NO
186NO
4 years ago
Reply to  Dobba

Been there and wear the T shirt…

lorrinet
lorrinet
4 years ago
Reply to  Dobba

The hospital where my brother once nursed has nine members of the board plus the Chief Executive and Deputy Chief Executive, plus all their secretaries and other associated clerical staff. This is where the money is creamed off. Several board members are, or were, medical people, the others are nothing to do with health.

This colossal waste of resources is inevitable where you have socialised medicine; everything costs twice as much, outside contractors up their rates for anything to do with the NHS (because it’s a bottomless pit). The simple purchase of a new washing-machine has to pass through so many ‘proccurement’ procedures, that by the time the actual appliance appears the cost has multiplied several times over. The example told to me was a £230 washing machine for which the NHS eventually paid around £1500.

The NHS was doomed to failure from the start, though seemed to work well enough until the pen-pushers and managers began to appear in ever-increasing numbers.

Henry2
Henry2
4 years ago

This is the canary in the coal mine. If successful, goes ahead, this will be rolled out to the rest of us who’ve”had a free ride” to regain ‘freedoms’. Look forward to the separate entrance into the supermarket for the undesirables, pragmatic indeed

Hugh
Hugh
4 years ago
Reply to  Henry2

And the buses?

Henry2
Henry2
4 years ago
Reply to  Hugh

Boris is working on a follow up to his ‘bendy bus’ with all London buses being replaced with open top tour guide buses. There’ll be a rope ladder for the undesirables to scale.

However, Michael Gove has suggested that this won’t be necessary and “vaccinated” passengers can enter by the driver and “unvaccinated” can use the entrance in the middle of the bus. Both will able to use the same card scanners to tap in and out.

lorrinet
lorrinet
4 years ago
Reply to  Henry2

Gove??? God help us, he’ll be in line for PM. It makes me want to campaign to keep Boris in no 10, despite Carrie.

when will the world wake up
when will the world wake up
4 years ago

Can anyone explain why the mandate doesn’t require 3 doses? I thought we were all told that 2 doses was useless against Omicron so we had to have 3. Is it because only 60 percent of NHS staff have had 3 doses?

Margaret
4 years ago

This is something that I can’t understand either. We were told a few weeks ago that two doses of the AZ jab, which I believe was given to over 50% of the population in the first half of last year, is useless against Omicron. It is a viral vector jab. Therefore any third jab ( I refuse to call them boosters) would have to be Pfizer or Moderna.

At the same time, we have also been told that two Pfizer mRNA jabs are not good enough to act against Omicron so a third jab is required. No-one can answer my question as to whether those first in receipt of the AZ jabs will now require three mRNA jabs in order to be “safe” from Omicron.

cornubian
4 years ago
Reply to  Margaret

All the injections have zero ARR efficacy.

X - In Search of Space
X - In Search of Space
4 years ago

Ahh, I see the reason for your confusion — you thought about it. Think not, and be not confused.

Our beneficent leaders are unburdened by the trappings of thought/reason – thus they are able to act swiftly in caring for us.

HelenaHancart
HelenaHancart
4 years ago

It really isn’t about health, which is why none of it makes sense. It about a control mechanism to get as many people stamped, approved, and tracked as quickly as possible now. Time is running out for them.

mishmash
4 years ago

Stop making sense god dammit!

186NO
186NO
4 years ago
Reply to  mishmash

Exactly

Titania
Titania
4 years ago

It’ll start at two, then they’ll increase it to one a year, or two. Sadly my vaxed up colleagues don’t know what the requirement will be. They may find they’re not very happy about it once they do. I think you’re right, in my hospital the booster dose uptake displayed as a big injection needle on our intranet has sat at 84% for three weeks. That is a lot of people. Interestingly the letter I received on Monday from my hospital informing me that they had no record of my vax status and to update them was also sent to many fully vaxed and boosted colleagues! These people were vaxed by the hospital! It would seem they don’t know! I have long suspected that the uptake statistics are grossly inaccurate.

186NO
186NO
4 years ago

Far too smart for your own good !!

Susan
4 years ago

“Double double, toil and trouble; Fire burn and cauldron bubble!”
Pfizer chemists mixing Omicron batch

maggie may
4 years ago

Have to laugh at the overweight nurse giving injection. Not untypical in the NHS. Let’s hope that if they do carry out these ludicrous and disastrous sackings, there are many who will be happy to blow the whistle on what’s been going on, as John O’Looney said recently.

John001
John001
4 years ago
Reply to  maggie may

That could be what the govt fears, too many whistleblowers for comfort

I therefore think the govt may be bluffing to get from say 90% to 91%.

BJs Brain is Missing
4 years ago

Disgusting. Hang your heads in shame NHS. Hang your heads in shame Johnson and Javid.

As a shareholder in the NHS (National Insurance payer) I disapprove of this action in the strongest terms.

olaffreya
olaffreya
4 years ago

I have two family members who will be among those being dismissed. I already know of many that have already left the NHS and will continue to do so. My daughter has now decided to change her career plans and will NOT be pursuing a career in health and social care.

A Government that sinks lower and lower, destroying our society through their repugnant actions and policies. Loathsome.

RTSC
RTSC
4 years ago
Reply to  olaffreya

A GP friend tells me that she and her un-jabbed colleagues are actively planning to set up a private practice. This is an affluent area, so they’ll do OK. It’s the poorer people who will suffer. I predict healthcare will go the same way NHS dentistry did ….. first there will be growth in private “GPs” …. then you won’t be able to get one unless you pay.

Titania
Titania
4 years ago
Reply to  RTSC

It won’t matter if they create their own practice. They will need to be regulated by the CQC and therefore the vax will be a requirement. It won’t be possible to see patients face to face and remain unvaxed. Their only hope is online consultations only. Who would pay for that? They can get that shit in the NHS. I would love this to be possible,but there are no loop holes.

Twig
Twig
4 years ago
Reply to  Titania

I simply don’t understand how this can be happening! I myself am about to lose my job because I decline to show a negative lateral flow test result every day to go into my workplace.
The UNESCO Declaration on Bioethics and Human Rights, which the UK became a signatory to in 2005, states in Article 6.1 (consent):
“Any preventive, diagnostic and therapeutic medical intervention is only to be carried out with the prior, free and informed consent of the person concerned, based on adequate information. The consent should, where appropriate, be express and may be withdrawn by the person concerned at any time and for any reason WITHOUT DISADVANTAGE OR PREJUDICE.” (my capitals)
We’ve all just got to keep saying no, no, NO.

Infinite Ecologist
Infinite Ecologist
4 years ago
Reply to  Twig

Actually, the UK did NOT sign the Bioethics Declaration. Too damned inconvenient. That’s been a major blockage to blocking the water fluoridation fanatics’ repeated attempts to force this other form of unpopular mass medication on us all for the past 70 years. The SPI-B psychologists have undoubtedly learned a great deal from that prolonged campaign, which has served as a blueprint for the present Covidian Cult’s mind-bending strategy. Proof? Check out just how deeply fluoridation is embedded in the recent legislation on public health. It’s a central theme in the 2012 Health and Social Care Act, and now a sneeky part of the Health ‘Security’ Mafia’s ‘public health policy’.

186NO
186NO
4 years ago
Reply to  olaffreya

Tip of a large iceberg; more third word countries will be plundered for replacements instead of ramping up training for indigenous health wannabes…and the NHS has form as far as reducing training regimes is concerned to my certain knowledge.

DanClarke
DanClarke
4 years ago

The dinghies are bringing in more Care workers and Medical staff apparently, said the rogue government

X - In Search of Space
X - In Search of Space
4 years ago
Reply to  DanClarke

Let us hasten to the shores. Let us light the torches, and welcome our saviours to the sound of trumpet and saucepan. Rejoice, REJOICE!

BS665
BS665
4 years ago

SS requires members to give Hitler salute.

No, partygate was not the beginning of the end.

And if they sack them all, that will be the ‘final demand’?

Liberty
4 years ago

Clapping to sacking in under 2 years. It reminds me of when Jesus rode into Jerusalem on Palm Sunday to a cheering crowd and just 5 days later died at the hands of the same crowd now jeering and baying for his blood. People haven’t changed, it’s why Jesus called us sheep.

BS665
BS665
4 years ago
Reply to  Liberty

Many more are goats than we ever suspected…

X - In Search of Space
X - In Search of Space
4 years ago
Reply to  Liberty

People haven’t changed

The crushing truth.

X - In Search of Space
X - In Search of Space
4 years ago

Lunacy! Absolutely, undeniably lunatic.

I recently learned here about the cull of sparrows in China. What an awful, short-sighted, no-brain, steam-roller ‘fix’ that was. Catastrophic? In the end, words utterly fail.

The beneficient steam-rollers are running amok again. Full-steam ahead and no hand-signals.

Annie
4 years ago

And when a zombie gets cancer, he will be sooooo pleased to discover that the specialist has been sacked and the zombie can die in agony to his heart’s content, covid-free.

RW
RW
4 years ago
Reply to  Annie

Cancer is not (known to be) contagious. Hence, the virus paranoics, unselfish as they are, don’t care about it.

DanClarke
DanClarke
4 years ago

After decades of denouncing countries for their segregation policies, here we are setting one up in the UK. For a jab which does not give immunity is not a vaccine, but crucially makes money for shareholders.

BS665
BS665
4 years ago
Reply to  DanClarke

To fortify their position, the Big Lie must be reconfirmed. Even though they know it is a lie, and they know we know they know… etc.

DanClarke
DanClarke
4 years ago

On Gov.UK ‘Coercion and Bullying is illegal’, isin’t this what they are doing

John Dee
4 years ago
Reply to  DanClarke

Apparently, it’s not bullying when ‘it’s for your own good’.

huxleypiggles
4 years ago
Reply to  DanClarke

Oh, coercion and bullying was illegal in the Civil Service but I suffered more than my share of it.

If your face doesn’t fit…

HelenaHancart
HelenaHancart
4 years ago
Reply to  huxleypiggles

Exactly. In most companies there are so-called “anti-bullying” procedures in place. Funny how that rule doesn’t apply when they suddenly don’t want you anymore. As you say your face really does need to fit.

NonCompliant
4 years ago

Patients next?

RTSC
RTSC
4 years ago

I guess the Government will allow the illegal migrants to nurse; deliver babies; carry out operations and replace Consultants.

BeBopRockSteady
4 years ago

I returned from a protest yesterday and explained to my parents what it was about. They, triple dosed, had no idea this was even a thing that was happening.

John Dee
4 years ago

General public ignorance (or incuriosity) is what the lizards rely on. They have all the media outlets that reach large numbers.

HelenaHancart
HelenaHancart
4 years ago

Most people we talk to in town at our event’s are utterly clueless as to what is going on outside their cosy MSM sphere. When you explain things to them their jaws just hang open. They then either want more info…or they give you their educated response of calling you “cnut”, “w-nker”, pr-ck” and walk off. One got so abusive and angry at just our signs – we hadn’t spoken to him at that point – he walked out into on-coming traffic, and nearly got himself killed.

186NO
186NO
4 years ago
Reply to  HelenaHancart

Fear, pure and simple; I reckon if you present a severe “shock” to people’s self esteem – i.e. their “innate beliefs – which causes them to suddenly realise what they thought, believed in and lead their lives by, is a monumental sham, it is a “Colonel Nicholson” type moment just before the “bridge” is destroyed; they can then only attack the messenger as you describe.

Hester
Hester
4 years ago

Here is a question. If a Consultant sets up a private practice, and works for a private hospital do they need to be injected? or does the private employer have the choice to decide?
If the answers are yes. Then the Government has by sleight of hand begun to dismantle the NHS and to turn it into a basic, provider of last resort. Many of those who can afford to take out private medical insurance will be able to use the private provider,or even pay as they go.
Job done the NHS monolith is over, reduced to a basic put you back together no frills operation

Dr Y
Dr Y
4 years ago
Reply to  Hester

All cqc regulated premises – which includes private hospitals and clinics require staff to be vaccinated.
It is not just front line staff – it includes anyone who could pass a patient in a corridor.

John Dee
4 years ago
Reply to  Dr Y

You’d think they’d be more concerned about having patients in corridors…

PartyTime
4 years ago
Reply to  Hester

They would have to move to Wales or Scotland, where there is (for now) no mandate.

186NO
186NO
4 years ago
Reply to  PartyTime

And the race to remove restrictions, all from a wholly health pov off course and NOTHING to do with politics, wash your mouth out for thinking that, is on in Scotlandistan who have nominated the 24th Jan as “Government Humiliation Day”…Herr DrakenFurt is next with the 22nd perhaps….”any advance, I will take two days…”

GlassHalfFull
4 years ago

I would rather be treated by an unjabbed medic than a jabbed one.

At least the unjabbed medic understands health and moral issues better than the jabbed “I was only following orders”.

John Dee
4 years ago
Reply to  GlassHalfFull

Never mind the moral issues. What about the logical sort?
‘I was only following orders when I got double-jabbed with something that I don’t understand and hasn’t done what they said it would. And here I go with the booster.’

8bit
8bit
4 years ago
Reply to  GlassHalfFull

I would rather be treated by an unjabbed medic than a jabbed one.

I couldn’t give a damn if the medic was unjabbed or jabbed. Of no consequence whatsoever. If that were the national attitude, the coup would be toast this evening.

ImpObs
4 years ago

Are they going to double down until March when the Mk II clotshot is ready?

Madness, utter madness.

Dr Y
Dr Y
4 years ago

Many of us are managing to “hold the line” – aided by the fact that we truly believe it isn’t safe.
People are terrified though – majority of nhs workers have done this for many years and they don’t feel trained for anything else.
Some are in dire financial straits and will get jabbed to save their job. Others, like me, are exploring legal action.

DanClarke
DanClarke
4 years ago
Reply to  Dr Y

It may become a moot point when the NHS is dismantled because they don’t want the numbers or the pensions to come.

huxleypiggles
4 years ago
Reply to  Dr Y

I do feel sorry for you. I cannot pretend to understand what you are going through.

Best wishes.

HelenaHancart
HelenaHancart
4 years ago
Reply to  Dr Y

Thank you for standing up to this tyranny. Stay strong, you have so many of us behind you.

Chris_uk
4 years ago
Reply to  Dr Y

If there is any justice left in the world, all those fired should eventually get their jobs back, with backpay, interest, and compensation.

Epi
Epi
4 years ago
Reply to  Dr Y

Thank you, thank you, thank you you’re a good and brave person.

186NO
186NO
4 years ago
Reply to  Dr Y

May I wish you success – a very brave and principled position; you have no hope of becoming a politician with that attitude…

huxleypiggles
4 years ago

Just an initial comment, based on the picture put out by the government:

Proof if proof were needed that this is not about protecting the nation’s health, (it never was) because what right-minded, humane government would sack medical workers in the middle of a health crisis?

Unless of course they don’t want to admit that said crisis is over.

However, as we all know, it’s not about what they say it’s about.

I could cry for those being put through this.

186NO
186NO
4 years ago
Reply to  huxleypiggles

I want to see every MP who has voted for this rubbish to put their jab QR codes online, immediately, and if they don’t do so by Feb 1 , they are summarily sacked, no compensation.

Utopia maybe, equitable nature justice, definitely – so it ain’t gonna happen.

robwallser
robwallser
4 years ago

So who will we clap next ? Fucking disgusting use of moronic psychology to tell poor people the thing they didnt have to worry about migt be taken away .Unfortunately most people believed it and anyone who disagreed was dismissed and derided.So now ,have a think about that Thursday night clap thing and drown in your own shame for being so gullible.This Covid scam is at an end now but thisdisgusting behaviour by the NHS is utter discrimination on a mass level with no room for smart arse vaccine apologists saying it was their own fault .Your body is your own that can never be changed

huxleypiggles
4 years ago

How many of us on here would be bothered if we were told we would only be treated by non-injected staff?

Personally, I would think “great, somebody who does some research, somebody who THINKS.”

I would trust non-injected staff over the injected every time.

186NO
186NO
4 years ago
Reply to  huxleypiggles

And if they – including Care Home staff for very obvious reasons – are CV recovered what the fuck anyway…!!!!?

Titania
Titania
4 years ago

I am one of those staff unfortunately. I feel angry today, very. What is making me angry, aside from the obvious meaningless of this mandate is that none of the management have any answers. I need my dismissal in writing, but I can’t even get verbal confirmation. I need to hand over my work to a colleague. My notice period is two months, will I get it or will the 3rd of Feb pass and we’ll be left waiting. It’s the not knowing that is doing us in. The staffing crisis is real, made much worse by the current swabbing system, many of my colleagues are off with Omricon, all fully vaxxed, most asymptomatic. It is galling having to cover their work knowing I’m out in a couple of months. Also listening to Priti Patel talk about mass overseas recruitment to replace us is sad. We aren’t numbers, we represent experience, committment and often specialised skills that cannot be replaced overnight. It takes at least a year to get an overseas nurse through basic training; a mandatory requirement to transition onto the NMC register, I know this because I am responsible for them as a Clinical Nurse Educator. I wish… Read more »

disgruntled246
disgruntled246
4 years ago
Reply to  Titania

I don’t have any advice I’m afraid but just lots of sympathy, I don’t know if that helps at all.

186NO
186NO
4 years ago
Reply to  disgruntled246

Agree 100%: TOH works in the NHS as career (35 yrs+) non clinical but has daily contact with your clinical colleagues – heard this every day for years – know how “broken” clinical NHS bods like yourself feel, have felt since 2020 but in reality long before that.
All good wishes you get through this; what I find disgracefully amoral, having met some Trust management, is the lack of public kickback from these people – you know better than me that some of these people oppose this 100% but are too self interested to do anything about it.

FrankFisher
4 years ago
Reply to  Titania

Stick with it, make the bastards fire you, hold your head high.

PartyTime
4 years ago
Reply to  Titania

There’s also a massive drop in marginal impact on health (slightly reduced no doubt by this hamfisted sacking policy) when medical staff are brought from low-income countries to high-income countries, just because the need in low-income countries is so much greater. The policy will indirectly kill a lot of people in low-income countries.

CynicalRealist
4 years ago
Reply to  PartyTime

The fascists driving this won’t give a shit about that – just like they haven’t cared about the impact of their policies on the poor (domestically and abroad) so far.

Titania
Titania
4 years ago
Reply to  PartyTime

Quite, I was reading yesterday about Nigeria raising the alarm in regards to the strain on their own health system caused by emmigration to the UK. Maybe I’ll go there. I can still nurse until my registration expires. Could do with a bit of sun and malaria.

Hugh
Hugh
4 years ago
Reply to  PartyTime

Ah yes, black lives apparently don’t matter after all.

HelenaHancart
HelenaHancart
4 years ago
Reply to  Titania

Thank you for your courage. All I can say is stay in your sovereignty, and hold your head up with pride. You’re not on your own, this is a fight we are all part of. We’re right behind you.

Titania
Titania
4 years ago
Reply to  HelenaHancart

Thank you. It has been very hard to hold out, not because I worry for my income, a nurse is not well paid, but I feel guilty for abandoning my duty. Then I have to remind myself I am not walking away, I’m being chucked out and that defending my own bodily autonomy may help defend other peoples too. I still feel guilty.

Hypatia
Hypatia
4 years ago
Reply to  Titania

Don’t feel guilty. You have done nothing wrong. You would continue to work, but the powers that be won’t let you.

Leave with pride and dignity. Those that are doing this to you should be the ones to hang their heads in shame.

Titania
Titania
4 years ago
Reply to  Hypatia

Thank you, you give me courage.

JaneDoeNL
JaneDoeNL
4 years ago
Reply to  Titania

Agree with Hypathia, do not feel guilty!

You have done absolutely nothing wrong, it is the out-of-control political leaders and the moronic, brain-dead MPs that allow them to get away with their scandalous behaviour.

In the short term people may lose out on care (as they have been doing for 2 years), but in the longer term standing up for all our rights is more important. If they can get away with making people inject an experimental, useless, unsafe drug, what else will they try to get away with?

The Netherlands is short of medical staff and at this point has said no mandates for medical staff or care home staff, precisely because they can’t afford to lose any. They’ve been actively recruiting from next-door Belgium, which has also imposed a mandate. Why don’t you look if there are any opportunities over here?

Titania
Titania
4 years ago
Reply to  JaneDoeNL

I think you’re right. I will turn my eye overseas. It may be a wonderful thing in the end. When I have done the right thing in the past it hasn’t been easy but I’ve never regretted it in the long run. Thanks for your kindness, it’s appreciated.

RickH
4 years ago
Reply to  Titania

The staffing crisis is real, made much worse by the current swabbing system, many of my colleagues are off with Omricon, all fully vaxxed, most asymptomatic.

Yes. It’s been clear for some time that absences have been running at high levels because of the testdemic.

Only an aim to destroy healthcare can explain these policies, coming from a group of very sinister people.

Titania
Titania
4 years ago
Reply to  RickH

I would say much of everything has been to do with the testing. Screening a population for an endemic respiratory virus in winter and then sending anyone that is “positive” home is madness. If all routine testing stopped so would Covid. This mitigation system they’ve created to ‘ beat the virus’, itself an impossibility is the pandemic. I can tell you first hand, the measures put in place have caused great harm far outweighing the risk of C19. Oh, don’t get me started!

186NO
186NO
4 years ago
Reply to  Titania

if it is cathartic for you, DO GET STARTED. As mentioned above , I hear this daily but “we” need to hear from the trenches. I implore you to vent your soul if only to take some pressure off your shoulders – just tell the “truth’ and let other non NHS people know what is really going on from your experience.

Good luck and be brave.

Teddy Edward
4 years ago
Reply to  Titania

Why didn’t you protest 2 years ago like I did?.I could see this was a psychological operation using Mass Formation to get the juice in your arm.Redbranded flu with Weaponised words and No I don’t want to hear how many people you Nursed died of Cough 19. I Did though watch mass extinction in the Care Home Sector.

Titania
Titania
4 years ago
Reply to  Teddy Edward

I have been, Teddy. As much as everyone else. I go on the marches in London. I have written to my MP, senior management, the PM,my kids school etc. I have also repeatedly called out the actions of my colleagues when their C19 hysteria has compromised our patients care,including the terrible decision to discharge the elderly into care homes in preparation for the surge that never came. I have tried to be the voice of reason and rationalism which has frequently put me at odds with my colleagues. What else should I have done? How about lose my job and ultimately my registration? Not enough yet? This agenda has swept us all along,I haven’t the power to do much else. We have all been made powerless by this, I’m no different. Your anger is totally justified, I feel the same but don’t aim it at me.

maverick999
maverick999
4 years ago

They surely must row back on this decision. I can’t see how Johnson could survive such action. I feel the public mood has changed since the crazies announced the policy.

scaredmama
scaredmama
4 years ago

I feel that I will want to be sitting like a Tricoteuse at the foot of the guillotine. I have been reading the #theysayitsrare thread on twitter.

Titania
Titania
4 years ago
Reply to  scaredmama

The people you want “executed” are keeping their jobs. You’re cheering the removal of those that would respect your autonomy and be the voice of rationalism and balance. Enjoy the entertainment.

scaredmama
scaredmama
4 years ago
Reply to  Titania

I fear you have entirely misunderstood my point. I should have been more clear. I can assure you that the heads I would be grateful to see roll are those who created this insanity, not those who are being fired for it. Believe me when I say that I consider firing unjabbed health care workers to be the most insane thing I have heard, other than forcing children to take unsafe genetic modifications.