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Mark
4 years ago

We used scientific modelling to map the pandemic, but it seems that it painted a grimmer picture than what actually materialised

Good grief, talk about English understatement!

Hugh
Hugh
4 years ago
Reply to  Mark

Here’s some more: Anyone who backed lockdowns after all cause mortality questions from places like Belarus, Sweden and South Dakota started to emerge has questions to answer.

Hugh
Hugh
4 years ago
Reply to  Hugh

Should read “all cause mortality from places like Belarus”, not “all cause mortality questions”!

Moist Von Lipwig
4 years ago
Reply to  Mark

We used innumerate gibbering fantasies extrapolated from false assumptions by the Piltdown Man hoaxer…

Hugh
Hugh
4 years ago

“Carrie’s momentary lapse in hugging friend”.

The wider point is that it was always a complete nonsense to expect people to follow these inhuman rules. Indefinitely. And all too often without notice.

(By the way, hugging is one of the healthiest things you can do, good for body and soul).

HelenaHancart
HelenaHancart
4 years ago
Reply to  Hugh

It was never illegal, not was there an enforceable ban on hugging another person in private or public. It was how the “rules” were interepreted. I shocked people and still do, hugging others in public.

Hugh
Hugh
4 years ago
Reply to  HelenaHancart

Guidance, perhaps. How much of this nonsense could actually be enforced in a court of law?

Wasn’t there one time that a “rule” change was announced late at night – so that if you’d gone to stay with someone, you’d be “illegal” when you got up in the morning?

Actually, I know some people who did go for a holiday in late 2020. The rules were changed after they’d set off for their new year’s holiday so they were allowed to stay on when they arrived. They were the only ones at the hotel. All that food wasted – just one of the many crimes of the past two years.

karenovirus
4 years ago
Reply to  Hugh

Christmas 2020 which bozo suddenly reduced to 24 hours visiting other households.
If you set off to stay with mum & dad by train on Xmas Eve (24/12) there would be no way of getting back until after Boxing Day (27/12) because trains shut down for two days.

JeremyP99
4 years ago
Reply to  HelenaHancart

Thousands were fined for lockdown breaches. No action against those in power who did so. Starting with Ferguson. We await the class action.

karenovirus
4 years ago
Reply to  JeremyP99

But nobody has been taken to Court using Covid ‘laws’ because the CPS don’t want to know.

Some victims have just paid up for a quiet life, more fool them.

Others have been persecuted indirectly by Councils using pre-existing Licensing regulations or health & safety. Those responsible need action taken against them.

Hugh
Hugh
4 years ago

“MPs back legal challenge to masks in classrooms”.

Good old Graham Brady. Wouldn’t I be surprised if he becomes PM!

Hugh
Hugh
4 years ago

“Dismissing nursing staff during crisis is self-sabotage”. (RCN).

It is a crime against humanity. No understatement this time!

Lilacblue
Lilacblue
4 years ago
Reply to  Hugh

Or at any time.

Mark
4 years ago

‘I felt like a criminal’: Renata Voracova on being kicked out of Australia” – The Czech doubles player, whose visa was cancelled for being unvaccinated despite having an exemption, said she was made to undress during questioning”

This kind of procedural abuse, clearly done in order to make the process a punishment in itself, should be a dismissal and punishable offence on the part of any state functionary in any civilised country, though it’s to be expected in a primitive and thuggishly authoritarian state such as Australia They should be required to specifically justify every such search action before a hostile and genuinely independent tribunal.

Same applies to the increasingly commonplace abusive US-style police arrest processes. The norm for any alleged crime without a clear risk of flight or destruction of evidence should be a polite request to attend the police station. No handcuffs. No disrespectful treatment.

This is the essence of policing a supposed free citizenry by consent, with the presumption of innocence.

Too many of our police and state functionaries have watched too many American films and TV shows.

Phil Shannon
4 years ago
Reply to  Mark

Now, let’s see. A highly successful, elite sportswoman doubling as a drug mule whilst she travels the world? Because searching for drugs is the only reason for undertaking strip-searches and x-rays of travellers forcibly-stripped at Customs. Didn’t Maradona do drugs, after all? It’s obvious, now, what Vorocova was up to. Can’t be anything to do with ritual, sexual humiliation by Australia’s border guards against something far worse than a drug-dealer – an unvaccinated person daring to set foot in Australia where 92.5% of good little citizens are fully jabbed. The unjabbed who haven’t got with the program must be shamed and coerced into seeing the light and that means not allowing high profile international sports stars who could set an alternative unjabbed example to be treated as normal people. Renata Voracova, despite doing nothing wrong according to ‘the rules’ (she obtained a legitimate medical exemption to the vaxx because of an actual Covid infection that precluded getting vaxxed, on medical grounds (twice signed off by panels of doctors from Tennis Australia and from the Victorian government) within the appropriate timeframe for the Australian Open, and despite her professions of loyalty to the regime (she says she will get her second jab as soon as she… Read more »

karenovirus
4 years ago
Reply to  Mark

Police forcibly gang wrestling innocuous members of the public to the ground was commonplace in the UK during lockdown one.

As you say, using the arrest process itself as a form of punishment. For all those that featured on the news and YouTube there will be many many more that did not.

Hugh
Hugh
4 years ago

“Gove on leadership manoeuvres”.

Can’t the Tories get a sensible leader just for once?

Mark
4 years ago
Reply to  Hugh

Pretty much all Blairites at the top levels.

Hugh
Hugh
4 years ago
Reply to  Mark

What would actually have to happen for Brady, McVey, Bone, Redwood etc. to have a chance?

Mark
4 years ago
Reply to  Hugh

There would have to be a real and terminal collapse of the panicker narrative, with a full discrediting both in the wider population and within the “Conservative” Party of all those associated with it, to sweep away the established old guard and force them to look for people with no cabinet responsibility for it and at least some credibility as opponents.

From our perspective that kind of collapse and utter discrediting is what has happened, but our perspective is not the one that matters in this.

Hugh
Hugh
4 years ago

“26 NY firehouses forced to close”.

Beijing Bidden fiddles while New York burns…

Hugh
Hugh
4 years ago

“Exempt Renata Voracova kicked out of Oz, made to undress”.

So they’re deviants as well as nut jobs. Never forget.

Mark
4 years ago

“Our acceptance of a mass lock-in is more dangerous than any party” – How did this extraordinary transformation of our values occur so swiftly and with so little examination, asks Janet Daley in the Telegraph. I couldn’t remember what Janet Daley’s attitudes were to covid early on (I think I have a tendency to confuse her with Melanie Phillips), so I did a quick search. Looks like she’s been pretty solid. But one result that came up was this piece from Psychology Today, March 19th 2020 – right when our government and elites were being browbeaten into dropping the broadly sensible approach to covid that they originally adopted, by infantile and hysterical accusations of it being uncaring, rightwing, putting money ahead of lives, etc. It’s a useful reminder of what was going on at the time, from one of the (many) original panickers: A Health Crisis and Herd Immunity Lessons from Britain’s disastrous coronavirus response. “Until earlier this week, when Boris Johnson’s administration in the UK made an abrupt U-turn on its approach to managing COVID-19, Britain was an outlier among OECD countries in rejecting efforts to contain and suppress the virus. The Johnson administration ruled out mass testing, waived restrictions and… Read more »

Gregoryno6
4 years ago

Dismissing nursing staff during crisis is ‘self-sabotage’
I’ll make a bold prediction now: the most popular phrase on the internet for 2022 will be
Who would have guessed?

Annie
4 years ago

Which is more wicked a d evil: to hold a party, or to keep a husband away from his wife when their baby twins die?

JeremyP99
4 years ago
  • ““Looking back at lockdown: how we got it wrong” – We used scientific modelling to map the pandemic, but it seems that it painted a grimmer picture than what actually materialised, writes Sarah Knapton in the Telegraph.”

Ferguson and co. state that they were asked to model the worst case scenario. Rather then a simulation of reality. Hence lockdown. How many deaths on his conscience (none, I suspect. Man’s a sociopath) as a result of the resultant lockdown?

JeremyP99
4 years ago
Reply to  JeremyP99

ps. At least they are consistent with the climate modellers. Even Gavin Schmidt, who has just left Giss after some years, stated publicly that they knew the models run too hot.

Yet we still base “policy” on models we know are tuned to produce junk.

Catee
4 years ago

The Education secretary with conservative party members in Leicester on Saturday – not a mask in sight, but if it were in a secondary school all the children would be wearing them on his command.

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Hypatia
Hypatia
4 years ago
Reply to  Catee

Is it just me, or do others think that Zahawi look like Ming the Merciless from the 1980’s (?) Flash Gordon film? Sorry to be trivial, but that’s what I always think when I see him.

davews
4 years ago

Anybody else who cannot access ‘today’s update’. sits there trying to load and nothing appears.

Nearhorburian
Nearhorburian
4 years ago
Reply to  davews

Same for me

Amtrup
4 years ago
Reply to  Nearhorburian

Me too. I get “there has been a critical error” notice after a while.

bagpusskitty
4 years ago
Reply to  davews

Yep nothing, after a while a critical error message appears hope they’ve not done away with it as its by far the most up to date comments and best source of information.

ImpObs
4 years ago

Amino Acid fingerprints from Moderna Patents: The chance of SARS COV-2 being natural zoonosis = 4 Unvigintillion to One (that’s a 4 with 66 zeros to 1)

https://twitter.com/EthicalSkeptic/status/1482430893478322179/photo/1

loopDloop
loopDloop
4 years ago
Reply to  ImpObs

Thanks for teaching me a new word. Unvigintillion. I was convinced you must have made up a nonsense word until I looked it up. Great word.

stewart
4 years ago

The really interesting one is Austria.

It feels as if the government is playing a game of chicken with the unjabbed population and is willing to drive the car over the cliff and plunge headlong into full on totalitarianism before giving in.

This, just as the world wakes up to the fact that jabs are completely ineffective and that the latest version of the coronavirus (if that is what is actually what is making so many people have colds) is so mild it’s less dangerous than a flu.

It really is a rerun of the 1930s but without the military action. Just the ideological battle between totalitarian, technocratic rule and a free, liberal way of life.

The similarities are astonishing. Germany, Austria and Italy leading the way. The French, who mostly collaborated back then, once again with the totalitarians. And the US and UK relative beacons of sanity.

A few changes. Spain seems to be more sensible this time around. As does Japan. On the other hand, we’ve lost the Anglo colonies (Australia, New Zealand and Canada). And of course, China is the new Japan.

Scary stuff.

FrankiiB
4 years ago

Lost in the midst of all this is the fact that the government are leaking to the media that face masks for shops and public transport are to STAY – how on earth can this possibly be anything other than a victory for lockdowners who will come out of Omicron having made permanent one of their cherished policies?

The idea that our case is winning is academic. Boris is still not listening and only timidly allowing Javid to scrap classroom masks – and only then just before the court case will certainly force him to anyway.

What’s happened to the resistance?

JayBee
4 years ago
Reply to  FrankiiB

Exactly. That phrase should and must read ‘there is insufficient evidence to support people wearing masks’ not just pupils.

Moist Von Lipwig
4 years ago

It is irrelevant that Carrie Antoinette hugged her friend, it’s only relevant her husband outlawed it, the great fat communist fraud.

Gregoryno6
4 years ago

Me: I’d rather forget the week just gone.
Also me: This week ought never be forgotten.
https://gregoryno6.wordpress.com/2022/01/16/a-week-of-blunder-in-lockdownunder/

J4mes
4 years ago

Boris Johnson’s Omicron victory should not be forgotten

No, it should not be misjudged. Partygate stopped him implementing the demands of the corrupt scientists.

The ‘victory’ was for the rest of us.

Just look at the corrupt Van Tam jumping ship. The BBC et al, are working their socks off trying to hold on to the narrative while reality barges it’s way back into the psych of its viewers.

Anti_socialist
4 years ago

Even the lockdown sceptics are cowardly it seems, wanting to keep a clown dictator in fear of what may replace him.

That’s not the way to live people, don’t accept the lesser of two evils, just say no to evil!

All these conservative pundits who bleat about the poor quality of MPs, need to step forward & fight for what they believe in, stand for election, let’s see the end of career politicians.

dearieme
dearieme
4 years ago

“regrets the momentary lapse in judgment”: does that mean that she’s confident that there are no photos of her continuing to breach the regulations?

dearieme
dearieme
4 years ago

“how we got it wrong”: who’s this “we” then? Broadly speaking I got it right, which is pretty good going for someone who knew bugger all about virology when this began.