SAGE Gloomsters Admit They Were Wrong About Omicron

The scientific modellers who warned that Britain had little option but to impose severe restrictions or face tens of thousands of deaths from Omicron were last night in retreat – although they haven’t yet admitted they were wrong about every previous variant as well. MailOnline has more.

First, modellers who advise the Government said winter deaths from the highly transmissible variant would be “substantially” lower than they had originally believed, then Independent SAGE, a group of Left-leaning scientists who have pushed for lockdowns, distanced themselves from the need to impose further curbs.

Before Christmas, epidemiologists at the London School of Hygiene and Tropical Medicine produced a series of dire scenarios in which they warned Omicron could lead to between 25,000 and 75,000 deaths by the end of April.

Dr. Nick Davies said that he and his team were working on revised scenarios that will soon be presented to scientific advisers and senior civil servants.

Tory MP William Wragg, a member of the party’s Covid Recovery Group, said the U-turn provided evidence that many in the scientific community had been too gloomy about the threat from coronavirus.

“Once again, it appears that certain scientists and experts so quick to spread gloom and panic at the arrival of Omicron are having to come to terms with a reality that is far from the catastrophe they were predicting,” he said.

“It all shows that Boris Johnson and his Cabinet were right to avoid condemning us to another lockdown with the dismal effects on people’s livelihoods and liberties.”

The School of Hygiene’s team built its original models – published on December 11th – on the assumption that Omicron was as naturally lethal as the Delta strain, meaning it would kill the same proportion of unvaccinated people who had not been exposed to Covid before.

Dr. Davies argued that while South African doctors were already finding Omicron appeared to be less severe, the reports were “anecdotal” so the School of Hygiene’s supposition was “a reasonable assumption to make at the time”.

Over the past month, however, considerable evidence has built up that Omicron is less dangerous. This includes statistical studies by Imperial College London, Edinburgh University and the U.K. Health Security Agency, as well as research from South Africa and Denmark. Laboratory studies have also found Omicron is less adept at infecting the lungs.

Dr. Davies said the December model had assumed that once a patient ended up in hospital with Omicron, their chance of needing intensive care and dying was the same as with Delta – which has proved to be incorrect.

“We now know that doesn’t seem to be at all the case, as people are ending up in hospital with Omicron, but they are not requiring critical care [to the same extent as with Delta],” he said. “The deaths number will come down very substantially [compared with original estimates].”

Worth reading in full.

Stop Press: According to Gordon Rayner in the Telegraph, questions are now being asked about why SAGE’s modellers – and England’s Chief Medical Officer – were so dismissive of the evidence from South Africa three weeks ago showing Omicron was “very, very mild” and wouldn’t result in a big uptick in hospital admissions.

Stop Press 2: Daily Covid cases across Britain have fallen for the fourth day in a row and are down 6.7% compared to last Sunday. MailOnline has more.

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karenovirus
4 years ago

A couple of weeks ago Douglas Murray was congratulating Johnson for resisting additional Christmas restrictions in the face of such dire warnings because

“The experts had got it wrong this time”.

All well and good Douglass but, as Toby days in his introduction above, they have got it wrong every time both about Covid and many times previously.
Most notably with Ferguson over Foot & Mouth and who with Omnicon was predictedcting 5k deaths a month until very recently.

BS665
BS665
4 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

The answer is that both the political and scientific leaders were ignoramuses.

And we trust them with nukes?

Unless it was and is still a ‘plot’…

Quizzical
Quizzical
4 years ago
Reply to  BS665

and even worse, climate change

Banjones
Banjones
4 years ago
Reply to  Quizzical

OO! You captured TWO trolls that time! Well done you!

Dobba
4 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

The experts got it wrong – again, but still the damage was done without any compensation or financial help to those sectors that so desperately relied on the Christmas period for business.

crimsonpirate
4 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

the difference this time was the revelation of the twitter exchange between Graham Medley of LSTHM and Fraser Nelson of the Spectator where Medley admitted no positive outcome scenario was presented to the Govt. The Cabinet meeting that following Monday was decision between one of 3 options to further lockdown. The Govt chose none of them and, as it turns out. we didn’t get a million cases a day and 5,000 deaths

lorrinet
lorrinet
4 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

It would seem a logical position to take that if the ‘modelling’ always gets it wrong then STOP THE MODELLING!!!!! As for that creature Ferguson – the unspeakable cruelty to millions of helpless animals – new-born lambs beside their dying mothers trapped in the freezing mud with no one to help them, their anguished bleating as they died enough to break any farmer’s heart – but not Ferguson, a man with no self-doubt, no empathy, no conscience. Ferguson is very like the Blair creature in that all the suffering and loss caused directly by them is dismissable as collateral damage. Any decent human being would quietly retire from public life after mistakes of this magnitude, but this pair return like a pair of shitty boomerangs, ever-ready to committ the next mistake. In ferguson’s case, the tens of thousands who were supposed to die from Mad Cow Disease, once again necessitating the wholesale slaughter of entire herds, many of which were prize-winning and had been lovingly bred over generations by dedicated farmers, and who now lost everything. Ferguson didn’t lose anything though, not even his job. Even so,it takes a special kind of stupid to go on and on employing such… Read more »

Boomer Bloke
4 years ago

Interesting. I see there is a very nicely drawn graph with lots of data points and helpful colour coding. I would love to offer some erudite analysis to add to the debate, but instead I’m going to say that I despise those bastards in SAGE. It’s not very insightful I know, but I feel much better now, thank you for reading.

karenovirus
4 years ago
Reply to  Boomer Bloke

Vent away Boomer Bloke, it’s s been a truism since the start of Covid that everything that SAGE has to say is diametrically wrong. I had high hopes when first hearing of Independent(?) SAGE but they just get things even worse, not unlike the Labour party when it supports new Government Covid restrictions.

Arum
Arum
4 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

Independent SAGE are still apparently calling for online teaching?!

TheBluePill
4 years ago
Reply to  Arum

It clearly hasn’t occurred to these retards that the massive increase in positive test of teachers took place while the schools were closed. I know of two incidents of teachers spreading the sniffles between themselves while socialising over Christmas.

Arfur Mo
Arfur Mo
4 years ago
Reply to  TheBluePill

Citizen. You are showing disturbing signs of doubleplus ungood logical thought. Please report to your local re-education centre. You appointment has been booked Your attendance is expected.

186NO
186NO
4 years ago
Reply to  Arfur Mo

The BluePill – you are a reactionary element; you are sentenced to 5 years political reeducation in the Islington Gulag….

crisisgarden
4 years ago
Reply to  Arum

Your comment led me to look up independent SAGE for the first time. Un-fucking-believable. They want all 5-11 year olds to be ‘vaccinated’, and they want masks in the classroom. My sister, a covidiot with a PhD(!) told me at Christmas that she got most of her info from them (in an attempt to find a broader info than MSM). It explains a lot.

Arfur Mo
Arfur Mo
4 years ago
Reply to  crisisgarden

Independent SAGE is run by those who think SAGE is too soft. The Pol Pots in relation to the SAGE Bolsheviks.

CynicalRealist
4 years ago
Reply to  Arfur Mo
RW
RW
4 years ago
Reply to  CynicalRealist

This interview was the exact reason why I stopped wearing a face covering on the next day: Michie admitting that this was just a hobby-horse of hers and never really related to COVID. I still fondly remember standing in a slow-moving supermarket queue with the usual flashes of errant pain all over my body which go along with reduced oxygen intake and – also as usually – wondering whether I could stand this for yet another time instead of freaking out completely. I then remembered the interview and suddenly thought “Am I mad? Why am I self-harming just because this stupid, old cow wants this?” and pulled the damn thing off.

annepassman
annepassman
4 years ago
Reply to  crisisgarden

You don’t get info from Sage. You get bias, propaganda , lies and misinformation. You get real info from “the daily scepfic”- that’s why we read it. It’s theo ly thing that keeps us sane.

Bolloxed Britannia
Bolloxed Britannia
4 years ago
Reply to  Arum

I call for death by hanging of all member’s of indipendent SMERSH…sorry SAGE.

annepassman
annepassman
4 years ago

There has to be something more appropriate as punishment. Something that “would let the punishment fit the crime”. Suggestions???

No-one important
4 years ago
Reply to  Boomer Bloke

You speak for many, Boomer Bloke.

Marcus Aurelius knew
4 years ago
Reply to  Boomer Bloke

Your comment made me feel much better, Boomer. Cheers!

Milo
Milo
4 years ago
Reply to  Boomer Bloke

“questions are now being asked about why SAGE’s modellers – and England’s Chief Medical Officer – were so dismissive of the evidence from South Africa three weeks ago showing Omicron was “very, very mild” and wouldn’t result in a big uptick in hospital admissions.” If the SAGE scientists had watched the interviews – plural, nota bene – which GB News did with the South African doctor who discovered Omicron and had listened to what she had to say about her experience and observations of it then we would be in a totally different place right now. She said, and I quote almost verbatim here, that it was so mild that “patients” were presenting to her with no discernible symptoms and only found out they had it when they did a test. It was so mild that she could not even identify what the parameters would be to require her to refer someone to hospital with it, and out of something like in excess of 90 patients she had seen early on in the Omicron wave, none of them had been referred to hospital. Their arrogance and the fact, likely, that they are so drunk on their own power, as you… Read more »

FrankFisher
4 years ago
Reply to  Milo

They had no need to watch the interviews because none of this is anything to do with a virus.

186NO
186NO
4 years ago
Reply to  Milo

And to Neil Oliver for getting Mike Yeadon to explain in stark detail what SARS COV2 is all about…and to refuse to engage with ex Labour Sin (sic) Doctor for her anecdotal “evidence” – what does she not get about the oft made statement ( not least by Fauci FFS) that asymptomatic spreading does NOT drive the spread (NB, he does not say asymptomatic spreading does NOT exist – we all know how that can happen at the margins of increasing via load in an infected person). I had started to fear GBNews was morphing into ITV/SKY “Lite” – Farage, Oliver, Dolan and others have put a stop to that.

DevonBlueBoy
DevonBlueBoy
4 years ago
Reply to  Boomer Bloke

Does the throwaway line “left leaning” hide the real reason for their control freakery and Stalinist attitudes? God rot Michie and all her acolytes

Anti_socialist
4 years ago

Has bozo stopped listening to their mumbo jumbo?

Arfur Mo
Arfur Mo
4 years ago
Reply to  Anti_socialist

It is ironic that Boris ‘son of a eugenecist’ Johnson said “mumbo jumbo“:

“There might be thought to be more than a hint of racial stereotyping in use of this phrase today. The casually racist belief in the gullibility of the supposedly childlike fuzzy-wuzzies was widespread when this term was coined, and it hasn’t shaken that off.”

The English have the Johnsons, the Welsh the Drakefords, the Scots, the Sturgeons. What an amazing indicator of the state of UK politics.

jcd
jcd
4 years ago
Reply to  Arfur Mo

Johnson’s use of that phrase reminded me of the time when Wiltshire County Council banned a charity from all council owned property simply because someone from the charity used the expression ‘jungle drums’ in a discussion!
One black woman in the gallery complained that the phrase was racist!

Maybe we should complain and get Johnson banned!

Annie
4 years ago

Funny the so-called experts got it wrong.
Because we didn’t.
But I suppose we are experts – at detecting bullshit.

dommo
dommo
4 years ago
Reply to  Annie

exactly – that is our superpower!

crisisgarden
4 years ago
Reply to  dommo

One of my favourite placards at one of the London protests in the summer was ‘WE’RE THE ONES YOU FAILED TO FOOL”
Loved that.

Marcus Aurelius knew
4 years ago
Reply to  crisisgarden

My favourite placard in London at the end of April 2021 was:

“GOOD PEOPLE BREAK BAD RULES”

Milo
Milo
4 years ago
Reply to  crisisgarden

Sorry to bang on, but at times recently GB News has really sustained me, and at the end of his monologue last night Dolan said that mandating the jabs just isn’t defensible because “the virus isn’t bad enough and the jabs aren’t good enough”

crisisgarden
4 years ago
Reply to  Milo

A remarkable thing to hear. Emperors new clothes territory. And our OG gansta Dr Mike Yeadon was also on GB News yesterday from his hideout in Central America. Ultimately the tide is turning and profit motives will increasingly allow hitherto heretical views to seep in to mainstream discourse. My next worry (I mean, I’ve got be worried about something) is what they’ll do to distract everyone from the tsunami of fury that awaits those responsible. Anyway, I’ll bring the popcorn!

Victory Gin
4 years ago
Reply to  Annie

I find that there are some people who have extremely good bullshit detectors – they almost immediately smell bullshit when it emerges – then there are those for whom it takes little while but eventually they smell the bullshit too – but then there are those who wouldn’t see bullshit even if it walked up and slapped them hard in the face – they are usually very obedient types who will never question any amount of bullshit that is being fed to them even if the bullshit is so obvious and makes absolutely no sense at all they will still swallow the bullshit whole – you will usually find those with poor bullshit detectors queueing up outside an NHS drop-in centres for their umpteenth clotshot because the NHS app on their iPhone has told them them must.

Quizzical
Quizzical
4 years ago
Reply to  Victory Gin

I can always smell bullshit when it emerges – never made me very popular in my corporate career as many get to the level of their own incompetence entirely on bull shit (and amazingly a few beyond…)

A Sceptic
A Sceptic
4 years ago
Reply to  Quizzical

Agree, me too. I became known before I (gladly) left the corporate world (stuffed with idiots) for calling out the bullshit. They put it down to me being Northern, but really it is just because I have a brain and am not afraid to use it…

Marcus Aurelius knew
4 years ago
Reply to  Quizzical

Same story here, Quizzical. I’d be a lot richer and smell a lot shittier if I could keep my mouth shut.

CovidiotAntiMasker
CovidiotAntiMasker
4 years ago
Reply to  Victory Gin

Yes , the ones that “wouldn’t see bullshit if it walked up and slapped them hard in the face” are the same types that never get dry humour , a sarcastic joke or a play on words . It’s clown jokes only for these types hence the current circus.

Arum
Arum
4 years ago

‘Astrology’!
I note from the full article, the modelers are claiming they were making ‘scenarios’ not ‘predictions’ and their work was ‘used in the wrong way’

Arum
Arum
4 years ago
Reply to  Arum

Actually, checking my horoscope for today, Russell Grant tells me that ‘Getting back to the hobbies and sports you used to enjoy will boost your confidence and improve your health’ which is probably a lot more useful than most government advice…perhaps there is something in it after all?

Annie
4 years ago
Reply to  Arum

Astrologers have two rules: 1. be vague, (2)don’t tell people what they don’t want to hear.
If people no longer want to hear ‘Be very afraid, hide under the bed, stop living’, then the stars must be doing a good job.

Quizzical
Quizzical
4 years ago
Reply to  Annie

Have you read the Met office weather forecasts recently – they even have diametrically different written narrative from the pictures in the summary very often?

Marcus Aurelius knew
4 years ago
Reply to  Quizzical

Indeed. I took MET and BBC to task – here’s a little bit of research I penned back in 2013:

https://public-highway.blogspot.com/2013/01/rainmasterall-since-records-began.html

And several months later, the MET Office put out a very public statement that they will not release any data to anyone who does not have “the appropriate credentials”.

TheyLiveAndWeLockdown
4 years ago

appropriate credentials i.e. won’t show they tell massive lies

crimsonpirate
4 years ago

I dare say Piers Corbyn’s weather forecasts are more reliable. I understanding he was barred from the bidding process when the MET office lost the BBC contract

CynicalRealist
4 years ago
Reply to  Annie

I’d have said there was a third too – word it in such a way that it will be nearly impossible to say for sure whether it actually happened, to try to avoid being demonstrably wrong!

BS665
BS665
4 years ago
Reply to  Arum

Then why didn’t they point this out? If they did, but were ignored, they should have resigned rather than endanger life.

Marcus Aurelius knew
4 years ago
Reply to  Arum

Arse-covering 101

SimCS
4 years ago
Reply to  Arum

“we woz only following (govt) orders (to not create predictions scenarios that weren’t scary)” doesn’t wash any longer.

karenovirus
4 years ago

o/t. Attached is the top comment from yesterdays DS report of the Daily Mail article about Glasgows anti-lockdown/vaccine march.

The commenter is saying that the reason for recent mass protests in Kazakhstan is that their government was denying access to bank accounts without having a vax passport.

Any idea if this is true? Every report I read has said it was because domestic fuel prices were doubled overnight.

bOrgkilLaH1of7
4 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

This is a good overview Karen… and why Vlad cannot let the Kazakhstan unraveling continue…

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/why-kazakhstan-crisis-much-bigger-deal-western-media-letting

Interesting fact….note Russia celebrates Xmas on the 7th Jan…

bOrgkilLaH1of7
4 years ago
Reply to  bOrgkilLaH1of7

10% held for the BIG guy….

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karenovirus
4 years ago
Reply to  bOrgkilLaH1of7

Thanks for that interesting report but it does not address whether Kazakhstan’s unrest was sparked by Government denying people access to their own money without digital ID passport, the endgame of introducing vaxports in the UK and elsewhere.

bOrgkilLaH1of7
4 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

I’m not aware vaxx passports are a thing in Kazakhstan…

However almost 90% of vehicles in the western region run on LPG. That is a higher proportion than in many other parts of Kazakhstan… and a few weeks back prices doubled with no warning.

Though that is the zone where LPG is sourced… hence oil & gas workers went bat shit… as per usual tis geopols and ragging inequality…triggering mass angst.

https://www.wfdd.org/story/theres-chaos-kazakhstan-heres-what-you-need-know

Vlad will go in to stabilize assets located there that mother Russia depends on uranium and a key component of its rocket/ballistics program…

Its Muslim majority too needs to be kept in check….instability leaches unless nipped in the bud. Which is why any protests here will mimic Australia when the darker sanctions get fed in come summer.

Arfur Mo
Arfur Mo
4 years ago
Reply to  bOrgkilLaH1of7

Most (75%) of the mineral mining facilities are owned by western corporations, who export the profits as well as the minerals. That is why mineral rich Kazakhstan is deperately poor. The official leader of the protests is a fugitive banker and ex finance minister, currently residing in Ukraine. He probably had a hand in setting up the resource exploitation deals.

As for the muslim majority, they are no problem. The real problem lies with the radicalised ex-ISIS members shipped in from Syria (probably via Turkey which appears to have receive $10 billion ‘out of thin air’ saving its collapsing currency). These goons like to decapitate their victims.

Annie
4 years ago
Reply to  bOrgkilLaH1of7

Vlad the Injector?

karenovirus
4 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

Oops

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ImpObs
4 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

I got the impression it was about the sharp increase in LPG prices from twitter buzz,

the price of LPG (propane) in Kazakh was about 11 cents/liter in much of 2021, rose to 19 cents/l in Dec and in Jan to 27 cents.

Arfur Mo
Arfur Mo
4 years ago
Reply to  ImpObs

The gas prices vary from region to region and from use to use. The highest increase was a doubling of car gas in Almaty, the southern regional capital.

Arfur Mo
Arfur Mo
4 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

The Kazakhstan events were all planned and decribed in this 2019 RAND report. Kazakhstan is a standard CIA-run regime change operation, funded by the usual suspects, following the same playbook as in Venezuela, Ukraine, Libya, Syria, Belarus … hijack legitimate protests in the hope of getting a fully pro-western stooge in place. Kazakhstan should be wealthy as it has massive mineral resources, but the mining rights are largely (75%) held by outside corporations who export the profits as well as the minerals. The official leader of the protests is a fugitive banker and ex finance minister now in residing in Ukraine. He will be declared by the US to be the recognised leader of the country (cf Guaido and Venezuela). Any Kazkh gold held in the UK ‘for safe keeping’ will be passed on to this guy, less a suitable commission of course.

The UK government has also recently spent $1.3 billion trying to instigate similar events in Russia.

The third part of the leaked Foreign Office documents. Why did Britain invest $ 1.3 billion in Russia?

186NO
186NO
4 years ago
Reply to  Arfur Mo

Why did the UK invest in GAVI…..?

Don’t recall a Tory manifesto committing a future Tory administration to funding an unaccountable Swiss based organisation hell bent on world domination by vaccination…

huxleypiggles
4 years ago

If there is one lesson to be learned 🙂 from all this it is that ‘modelling’ is now wholly discredited as a planning tool. Presumably, the raft of climate modellers currently feasting on tax payers cash can now be given their P45’s.

Unlikely I know.

Arum
Arum
4 years ago
Reply to  huxleypiggles

But HOW unlikely, exactly? I’m sure we could construct a model for that (given sufficient funding)

karenovirus
4 years ago
Reply to  Arum

Funding allows the Met Office to renew its ‘biggest computer in Europe’ every two years.
As you approach their offices outside Exeter on the A30 there are two large white buildings in the new Science Park on the right. They contain much of the hard drive though most of it is underground.

The Met Office itself does not support, model or predict Climate Change, it merely provides the raw data that does.

jcd
jcd
4 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

Are you sure? This is directly from the Met Office site.

The climate is changing, and the UK needs to act. Part of this involves playing a leading role in global efforts to mitigate climate change by reducing emissions including implementing and delivering our own net zero target. Even given strenuous efforts to limit the cause of global warming, further climatic changes are inevitable in the future and the UK will need to manage the growing risks from climate change. To adapt and build resilience, up-to-date, credible and robust information on climate change and variability is needed to inform decision-making. UKCP18 is the latest generation of national climate projections for the United Kingdom and will provide users with the most recent scientific evidence on projected climate changes with which to plan.

Followed by 7 pages of predictions!

karenovirus
4 years ago
Reply to  jcd

They have clearly changed their mission statement since last I read it.
They used to claim to be Climate Chsnge neutral !

SimCS
4 years ago
Reply to  jcd

I would love to see the govt’s plan to stop the sun cycling between sunspot activity and quiet periods, a major influencer of our climate. Boris Canute??

BS665
BS665
4 years ago
Reply to  huxleypiggles

Maybe it’s time to allow “non-scientists” – educated people from “common sense” disciplines – to influence modelling?

In short: the sceptics, critical thinkers, and US (the general bloody public).

dommo
dommo
4 years ago

jesus wept! anyone could have told them as soon as they said it that they would be wrong – because THEY HAVE BEEN WRONG ABOUT EVERYTHING ELSE THEY’VE EVER SAID!!!

there must be serious consequences for such abject failure!

amanuensis
4 years ago
Reply to  dommo

The failure is that those in power listened to them.

This occurred because those in power surround themselves with ‘yes men’. Thus the people who make the mistake can advise the government that they had the very best possible advice and that the mistake was because ‘there are so many unknowns’. The advisers won’t tell government about the other models that don’t get things so terribly wrong.

Note that this is reflected across all scientific advice given to government, including advice on the importance of universal vaccination, vaccination of children, facemask effectiveness, vaccine effectiveness, the role of vitamin D, repurposed therapeutics, etc, etc.

However, politicians are too used to dealing in a land where there is only opinion, not verifiable facts — whether a given policy works or fails usually depends on how you look at it. Medical science, however, can be verified — eventually we will know the net impact of different covid mitigations.

BS665
BS665
4 years ago
Reply to  amanuensis

So we need political reform to encourage veracity in public life, the de-politicisation of science, and the separation of different spheres of endeavour to avoid conflation and multiplication of error.

JayBee
4 years ago
Reply to  amanuensis

Yes, plus Tucker/Sotomayor above: they regard us as machines.

186NO
186NO
4 years ago
Reply to  amanuensis

Doesn’t help one iota when the PM is in league with then married to a one eyed green monster who is so indispensable she has to attend working lunches, as part of her “without portfolio” brief, irrespective of the NPI’s she clearly doesn’t believe in when in private. A virtual signalling harriden before her “time”… .

Milo
Milo
4 years ago
Reply to  dommo

should whitty have the knighthood removed for being so wrong about Omicron? Wonder how many bars and restaurants shut down over Christmas never to re-open because they couldn’t afford to after that.

186NO
186NO
4 years ago
Reply to  Milo

No, but he should for the untruths he has uttered ( partial data as “whole” fact during Number 10 Press briefings, NHS advert statement) not least the bollocks he stated about missed Cancer etc treatments NOT being a facet of lockdowns ( ?”…..a reverse of the truth…?).

amanuensis
4 years ago

Their record is as bad as it can be.

Their models are wrong at a fundamental level; this has been clear since spring 2020 and I don’t know why anyone listens to them.

Boomer Bloke
4 years ago
Reply to  amanuensis

They are politically, intellectual and emotionally unable to grasp the concept of sunk costs. You can almost hear them sitting around the cabinet table saying, ‘we’ve spent/invested/wasted all this money on our covid policy/strategy/nudging, we have to keep going

Annie
4 years ago
Reply to  Boomer Bloke

We used to call sunk costs ‘money down the drain’.
And we used to say Don’t throw good money after bad.’

Milo
Milo
4 years ago
Reply to  Annie

where I come from we still do!

Arfur Mo
Arfur Mo
4 years ago
Reply to  Boomer Bloke

Why should they worry? They have been on 100% salary (plus expenses?) throughout making good political connections.

JayBee
4 years ago
Reply to  Boomer Bloke

I think they are very good at being susceptible to the sunk-cost fallacy, but genetically incapable to assess and incorporate collateral damage and as such net benefit/cost.

CynicalRealist
4 years ago
Reply to  JayBee

And it’s not their money, so why should they care!

When taxes rise to pay for it all the Covidians will doubtless be outraged because they didn’t see this coming a mile off…

CovidiotAntiMasker
CovidiotAntiMasker
4 years ago
Reply to  amanuensis

The reason the government listens to SAGE is because their sole task is to dream up worst case scenarios to justify government policy as exposed by Fraser Nelson’s twitter exchange with Prof Graham Medley.

186NO
186NO
4 years ago
Reply to  amanuensis

SAGE >Carrie>Bozo…

Adamb
4 years ago

What bothers me about all the talk of omicron being so mild, is that all the insane measures taken against the original “lethal” variants remain justified in the minds of most people.

bringbacksanity
bringbacksanity
4 years ago
Reply to  Adamb

If anything comes from Omicron, it is that the original over estimation of how quickly Covid spreads being a rationale for restrictions is now completely exposed as lies.

I also still think the first “wave” was from September 2019 and no one even noticed. It was only when they started looking that they found.

AN other lockdown sceptic
AN other lockdown sceptic
4 years ago
Reply to  Adamb

100% bang on

Milo
Milo
4 years ago
Reply to  Adamb

and correct me if I am wrong but wasn’t the modelling for the original “lethal” wuflu a bit on the wrong side too?

Moderate Radical
4 years ago

It seems to me that the ‘credit’ being given to Johnson for ‘resisting the doom-mongers’ calls for more restrictions’ is ludicrous and itself somewhat hysterical. Johnson was under clear pressure due to events within his own party. The revealing of Lord Frost’s resignation, combined with the revolt from around 100 Tory MPs, pretty much had the tyrant backed into a corner. I’d suggest that self-preservation, rather than a sense of what was morally and rationally correct, was behind Johnson’s decision not to impose harsher restrictions.

BS665
BS665
4 years ago

He has survived this long only due to the censorship and propaganda he has wielded, which shielded him from scrutiny. In normal conditions, the resistance would have won totally ages ago, owing to proper exposure in the MSM, political attacks from opposition and less politeness from our ‘rebels’, and input from the public.

He deserves no credit for his incompetence, lethargy, cruelty, arrogance and constant lies. His political project has failed and was always a cynical mirage.

AN other lockdown sceptic
AN other lockdown sceptic
4 years ago

Yep, my view exactly.

Bellingcat
4 years ago

How can Dr. Davies say reports that Omicron being less severe were ‘anecdotal’ when South Africa data as early as 25th Nov showed a divergence between exponential case growth and deaths / ICU admittance? This takes either a special type of stupidity or wilful bias.

Capecorona
Capecorona
4 years ago
Reply to  Bellingcat

By December 11th when this rubbish was published the data in SA was nailed down solid.
Do these people have no shame?

Arfur Mo
Arfur Mo
4 years ago
Reply to  Capecorona

There were media reports of a South African variant back in Feb 2021 … which seemed to disappear from the news … only to reappear at a politically convenient time in Decmber 2021. The UK regime needs some excuse every 3 weeks to keep the scam going (cf the 1984 Public Health Act on which all of this is pinned). Hence the recent extension of 3 weeks based on absolutely bugger all. ALl it does is give the mad modellers more time to come up with more BS.

The 1984 Act establishes the idea of a state of emergency in response to a ‘significant and imminent’ threat. This threat has to be reassessed every 3 weeks to allow the state of emergency to continue. How on earth something as vague as a ‘variant of concern’ can be considered ‘significant and imminent’ is beyond me, especially when their existence seems to be known months in advance time after time. Why on earth haven’t Sumption and the rest called the government out on this blatant abuse of power?

X - In Search of Space
X - In Search of Space
4 years ago
Reply to  Bellingcat

Yes, on reading ‘anecdotal’ my eyebrows went walkabout.

It’s great isn’t it? They can paint stuff any colour they like. They quite happily cite their ‘observational studies’ as a basis for restrictions in schools. On the other hand, the mass of observational/anecdotal evidence (Ivermectin, masks, etc, etc) ….

karenovirus
4 years ago

WHO was recently warning “don’t call Omnicon mild” that because of the sheer numbers of people catching highly contagious Omnicon health services worldwide were still being ‘ overwhelmed’.

Another interpretation would be that “despite huge numbers of people now contracting covid/Omnicon the variant is so mild that health services worldwide are facing no more pressure than usual for the time of year.
Additionally the vast majority of people who emerge unscathed will now have some level of protection from future infection which is itself a cause for celebration”

Fat chance.

GlassHalfFull
4 years ago

The government chooses it’s advisors and the remit to the modellers.

The government are listening to the wrong advisors and the wrong modellers.

The blame lays squarely with the government with their only saving grace being they could have made the situation even worse than they did already.

BS665
BS665
4 years ago
Reply to  GlassHalfFull

There’s still time to make it worse. More jabs are coming. Also, the ‘covid state’ will take years to dismantle. There needs to be separation between scientists and politicians to avoid this happening again. De-politicisation coupled with a plurality of voices in science must be the way to go. Maybe in future a committee of mixed-opinions should be placed above or alongside the PM to help plan and resolve a true crisis.

Arfur Mo
Arfur Mo
4 years ago
Reply to  BS665

There is a carefully contructed circle of denial of responsibility. The buck is passed round and round the circle ad infinitum.

Then there will be the inevitable Inquiry with a very narrow remit led by a safe pair of hands to announce that “Mistakes were made. Lessons have been learned. It is time to move on”.

TheBluePill
4 years ago
Reply to  BS665

We need a separation between scientists and big pharma money, a separation between governments and big pharma, and a separation between billionaires and governments. The system is utterly corrupted.

Milo
Milo
4 years ago
Reply to  TheBluePill

very well said

Cecil B
Cecil B
4 years ago

Not to fear

Right on cue ‘Deltacron’ arrives

Omicron-Delta ‘hybrid’ gets sinister name — RT World News

Oscarone
Oscarone
4 years ago

What doesn’t kill you makes you strong.

186NO
186NO
4 years ago
Reply to  Oscarone

The biggest load of homespun bollocks ever uttered; if you don’t know why, I suggest you shut up.

Big clue: ask. e.g, Afghanistan/Iraq veterans to explain….

Quizzical
Quizzical
4 years ago

May be the London School of Hygiene and Tropical Medicine should just stick to tropical medicine

Rogerborg
4 years ago

Why qualify it to just “about omicron”?

When have the Doom Priests been right about anything?

MrTea
MrTea
4 years ago

Given that the legislation approving of the vax passports was based on these bullshit predictions will they be reversing the imposition of this disgusting authoritarian abuse?

No need to answer.

Arfur Mo
Arfur Mo
4 years ago

Headline typo fixed:

“SAGE Gloomsters Admit They Were Wrong”
Can we now get round to suing the sh*t out of them for damage willfully caused?

Victory Gin
4 years ago

Best ever advice I took was when in an interview with Mike Yeadon just before (or just after) the jabs were being rolled out across the UK he encouraged people not to rush into getting the jab – don’t have the jab just so that you can go to the pub again or tavel abroad – be patient and wait a few months and see what happens before accepting the jab offer. Well, I waited and after a few months and reading about the side-effects and possibly even deaths linked to the vaccine and then witnessing those side-effects first-hand among family and friends I decided to refuse the offer and the longer this jabbing madness has gone on the more I’m convinced that I made the right decision thanks to Mike Yeadon.

Mike Yeadon 5min video interview with GB News worth watching before it gets taken down by Youtube.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PVGDZ2oowfU&t=82s

DanClarke
DanClarke
4 years ago
Reply to  Victory Gin

#me too

Barbara Baker
Barbara Baker
4 years ago
Reply to  Victory Gin

Don’t forget this is only half the interview- the vaccine bit is redacted, so view the whole thing on the complete show upload – scroll to 19.27 if you missed the live show 👍

John001
John001
4 years ago
Reply to  Barbara Baker

So GB News is self-censoring? A pity. I wish they’d let Youtube do any censoring, then loudly complain that YT can’t abide free speech whereas GB News believes in it.

Milo
Milo
4 years ago
Reply to  Victory Gin

didn’t see that last night so thanks for posting.

DanClarke
DanClarke
4 years ago

The Scientists have tried similar things with foot & mouth, where they did actually almost a destroy an industry, bird flu and then Aids, all to bring in funding. We need some stringent Rules, Laws, whatever, to stop governments allowing this to happen with impunity

JayBee
4 years ago

https://brownstone.org/articles/why-is-the-human-being-not-like-a-machine/
The deeper problem with the modelers and those who listen to them was exposed yesterday by Justice Sotomayor: they primarily regard us as being machines, not humans.

Hopeless
4 years ago

The “modellers” always over-egg the pudding, whatever the circumstances or what they may be modelling. I guess it’s in the nature of these people to predict Armageddon, and then bashfully admit they might have got it a bit wrong. Just arse-covering and theatrics, really.

Then, of course, we now know for a fact that they model scenarios either to order or to fulfil expectations of people who receive them e.g. dumb politicians, corrupt and ineffectual media bodies and the rest of the gallimaufry of “interested parties”. Cuddly, optimistic (realistic) models won’t put the fear of God into the huddled masses, so something a bit stiffer is called for.

If it weren’t serious, it would be a complete joke. Where are today’s Tom Sharpes and Kingsley Amises to put this farrago into enduring words?

Zionist
Zionist
4 years ago

Just got a phone call from the NHS, flogging off vaccines. At least they had the decency to wait till Shabbat had ended, but I still wasn’t buying.

Milo
Milo
4 years ago
Reply to  Zionist

were they offering you BOGOF

Bolloxed Britannia
Bolloxed Britannia
4 years ago

Any bell’s ringing in the hall’s of power yet?….is there fuck! Because it’s all planned, subjugation and Totalitarianism is the name of the game. Anybody still think it’s about a public health emergency?

Victory Gin
4 years ago

Police stand down to avoid confrontation with big protest crowds in Luxembourg.

https://twitter.com/thejuggernaut88/status/1479947849940946944?s=21

Barbara Baker
Barbara Baker
4 years ago
Reply to  Victory Gin

Good to see

Vxi7
Vxi7
4 years ago
Reply to  Victory Gin

They let it go because they saw they have no chance. Not because they want to cooperate. Unfortunately.

Barbara Baker
Barbara Baker
4 years ago

Is this not the point where we all simply laugh in their faces – Ceaucescu style? Then watch the bastards run like rats off a sinking ship…. it is beyond farce and they need to know they are fooling no-one who has any sense.
Maybe Neil Oliver could tee up an interview then as they start to spout their rubbish play the chorus from The Laughing Policeman🤪

Star
4 years ago
Reply to  Barbara Baker

Remember to block the Mall, because that’s where a light plane can land and take off.

Barbara Baker
Barbara Baker
4 years ago
Reply to  Star

Thanks – insider info always welcome 😁

Victory Gin
4 years ago

Love this ….

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