Should the State Punish People for Their Health Choices?
Emmanuel Macron has caused some consternation by saying that he wants to “piss off” the unvaccinated. And you can understand why. Politicians – especially ones purporting to be liberal – don’t usually base their policies on the goal of “pissing off” a subset of the electorate.
Even Donald Trump chose his words more carefully. Perhaps Macron will call up his old friend to get some advice on the art of rhetoric.
Yet as Will Jones notes, Macron does deserve credit for being honest. Unlike other politicians who’ve dabbled in vaccine passports, he’s not claiming to be concerned about the ‘externality of transmission’. Rather, he wants to punish the unvaccinated until they make the ‘right’ choice.
Under proposed legislation, only the fully vaccinated (is that three or four jabs?) will qualify for the country’s new health pass. Those who present a negative test will not. Since a vaccinated person is far more likely to spread the virus than someone with a negative test, we know this law isn’t designed to stop transmission.
Of course, if it were designed to stop transmission, that wouldn’t make any more sense. The latest infection numbers show that vaccine passports have failed spectacularly in this regard.
After outlining his shrewd public health strategy of “pissing off” the unvaccinated, Macron added: “When my freedoms threaten those of others, I become someone irresponsible. Someone irresponsible is not a citizen.” Now the unvaccinated aren’t citizens? That escalated quickly…
The only justification I can imagine for Macron’s new policy is the one Andrew Neil gave in his op-ed for the Daily Mail. Since the unvaccinated are more likely to wind up in hospital, they place a greater burden on the national health service.
Yet, as I’ve pointed out before, this argument implies we should punish anyone who makes choices that lead to above-average hospital usage. For example, we could introduce obesity passports; or passports for skateboarders, rugby players or people who get drunk on a Friday night.
By Macron’s logic, obese people’s freedom to get fat threatens his freedom not to wait in line at the hospital. Are the obese also unworthy of citizenship?
More than 90% of French adults have already received the vaccine. And a lot of the rest have probably had Covid. Instead of threatening people with crass barroom talk, Macron might consider that quaint old tactic – persuasion.
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Should people with health choices punish the State?
More pertinently, WHEN?
Maintenant!
Know thine enemies who’ll negate freedom, justice and respect for bodily autonomies.
“Les banquiers centraux nous conduisent en enfer dans un véhicule sur lequel nous payons les acomptes”
Macron’s picture illustrates that the mask is off and the evil is showing through . Is there truth in the Lizard People conspiracy theory after all? Is Gates really a demented Frog? Fauci means ‘jaws’ in Italian……..
Gates means death and depopulation in English.
Guillotine!
Va te faire foutre Macron.
Actually, I find this article quite offensive – what about informed consent?
To be clear we have already spent a year being “persuaded” in very unpleasant and unreasonable ways that we must have these novel, largely un-trialled products which cause cardio-vascular disease, have caused unprecedented levels of adverse effects and that is if they even worked. https://www.bmj.com/content/375/bmj.n3152/rr-1Moreover, it lies outside the legal remit of even doctors to put psychological pressures on patients to undergo medical intervention. I am not sure what knowledge Noah Carl could impart which would change my view but he has not even begun.
https://www.bmj.com/content/375/bmj.n3152/rr-1 works better 🙂
Thanks – I tried to correct it but was blocked.
Informed consent is not possible. The information needed to give it, is being kept away from the public and in some cases is locked away for decades. Long term safety data is of course impossible at this stage and so all that is left is taking the jab on trust, which given the principal actors involved in the Covid scam is about as stupid as it gets.
Thank you 77th Brigade for voting me down, you make my point perfectly.
No, they should never have passed for use in their current state of development and there is a mountain of accumulating data against them including a 40% rise in non-Covid death rates since 2020 https://childrenshealthdefense.org/defender/insurance-companies-report-increase-premature-deaths/
Yes. Macron’s choice to get old means he could be clogging up a hospital bed. He should be terminated before we get to that point.
Let’s see, using the NICE’s own calc, he has no productive life years left, since no post-WW2 politician has ever been productive, so, he should be take to Sardinia and just sit around till he dies.
I think the way to kill these passports off is to do just that. When sponsored legislation comes forward point to obesity being the #2 biggest comorbidity after dementia, a leading factor in hospital usage, and make it a vaccine and obesity passport.
There is no argument that can be mustered in defense of passports that doesn’t apply to obesity or smoking or failure to get a flu shot or any number of other things. And given that there is evidence it increases infections due to overconfidence, perhaps more justification for an anti-obesity passport. Though as a perpetually skinny person, I really should shut up now.
But come on, what would be better than a battle between Big Pharma and Big Sugar/Carbs? Better than Kong vs
Godzilla.
Or two underwear models of the body positive disposition, they’re usually quite big.
If I was French and un-jabbed, I’d be investigating ways in which I could further piss off Macron.
Wouldn’t the better word be “on” not “off” Macron?
The French word translated here as ‘piss off’ actually means ‘smear with shit’.
We all know he is full of it.
That’s fine.
I just idly wondered what would happen if a million people popped their dog’s “doggie bag” in the post to Macron… Sort of voting though not with their feet…
I am half French half British. Half the unvaccinated part of me pisses off Macron the other half Boris. I am doing my bit.
The double Whammy.
He’s not the first, Jacinda Ardern made similar comments weeks ago. If it hasn’t got a compelling & essential public health reason, it violates human rights. As for praising Macron, guillotine under Eiffel Tower. Put everyone out of the misery he’s causing them, chop his head!
A question to you ans others that say this is against human rights.
Where is that law? I don’t mean anyone say the Court of human rights I asking about the act and artile number(s) of this famous law.
How does it apply to every country?
I ask beacuse I see it quaoted many times and have yet to find any specific law(s).
Montgomery v Lanarkshire [2015] is a landmark judgment affecting the surgeon/patient relationship. The Supreme Court held that patients have the right to exercise autonomy over their own bodies and over the treatment they undergo. When making treatment choices it is the surgeon’s duty to advise and the patient’s right to decide. This right of autonomy over treatment is a common law right. It does not come from the European Convention on Human Rights but has been created by British judges in cases beginning with Sidaway [1985]. In Montgomery the Supreme Court gave it a final and very decisive stamp of approval. The Court held: “An adult person of sound mind is entitled to decide which, if any, of the available forms of treatment to undergo … The doctor is therefore under a duty to take reasonable care to ensure that the patient is aware of any material risks involved in any recommended treatment, and of any reasonable alternative … The test of materiality is whether, in the circumstances of the particular case, a reasonable person in the patient’s position would be likely to attach significance to the risk, or the doctor is or should reasonably be aware that the particular… Read more »
But it could be removed by a law passed in Parliament. And currently it would pass a law enabling forced injections.
NO. Parliament make laws. Judges interpret (define) them. Judges (common law) have the last say
Looking at the Labour MPs we are clearly totally lost.
What do you call a sitting collection of Labour MPs ‘ a cowardly whimpering disgrace to democracy’ .
What do you call a sitting collection of Tory MPs ‘ a cowardly whimpering disgrace to democracy’ .
hey!!! thats against the law isnt it ???
> Common Law trumps everything.
try saying that to the judge.
So maybe, I say that after reading the replies to your post, covers England.
That however does not cover the majority of the world. Certainly not all of the GB and NI.
The “of sound mind” part will be used to undermine the law. How long till the unvaccinated are declared by “expert psychiatrists” as “not of sound mind”?
P.S. We’ve had exactly that happen when homosexuality was criminalized before.
Where is the Law?
“All taken care of ” as Don Corleone would say.
Look at the Nuremburg Code, and UNESCO Convention on Bioethics & Human Rights (article 6). These are international human rights laws & conventions that (AFAIK) supersede national laws.
Justin Trudeau made similar comments (in French) recently, accusing the unvaccinated of being misogynists and racists. More lockstep manoeuvring from the World Economic Forum it would appear
Latest Orders from the Bunker of Gates and Schwab!
Where is James Bond when you need him? ( Yes, him…not her!)
Just how big was that pharma contarct because they clearly havent made half of what they expected and these vaccines im sure are not on sale or return .
Weren’t Macron, Ardern and Trudeau all Young Global Leaders?
Truedope wasn’t. He’s just a useful idiot, I’ve heard said.
I think hman rights caught a virus and died .I havent seen or heard from them for a while
Yesterday the Mail ran a piece where Chris Whitty told us “‘How absolutely crazy it is, absolutely crazy, that there are two million slots this week for people to get vaccinated and yet the majority of people in ICU for Covid are not vaccinated – 61%,‘”.
This seemed a little high, so after a bit of pondering I found the so called smoking gun, the ICNARC report which he referred to. The specific chart is below:
The 61% referred to is not the current situation as he stated, it is 61% of all ICU patients since May 1st. Given patients are not fully vaccinated for two weeks, this means the 16th April when less than 10 million people were fully vaccinated.
Still feeling it was a touch excessive, despite the evidence pondering this I realised this chart was simply the covid dashboard Vaccination uptake by report date data compressed into proportions of a whole.
Should we not be able to trust our CMO to actually read the charts dropped in front of him? No wonder we are in such a mess.
Excellent work. It’s clear as day we are being lied to with carefully chosen statistics. This one is going under my MP’s nose for comment.
Wont make any difference. Agenda 21/30 – Great Reset communist agenda is set in stone.
But you can’t simply lie back and get **ed, can you?
Wasn’t Ed Milliband’s agenda set in stone?
Things aren’t over yet…
They just pass it up to the Johnson Stooges for a patronising drivelling reply – then wash their hands.
Boris said some lie about the unvaccinated – turns out he meant unboosted
This is not about ‘health choices’. This is about falling into line with the regimes pseudo-medical New Normal ideology, or resisting it. Every move they make to crush the remaining resistance HAS to be portrayed as being done for the nations ‘health and safety’ i.e. for the ‘greater good’. Every tyrannical regime in history has deployed that old chestnut.
In the most extreme example, the Nazi’s murder of Europe’s Jewish population was supposedly to preserve the “racial health” of the Germanic peoples.
Hitler followed the lead given by other eugenicists. The Fabian Society, of which Keir Starmer is a member, has a history riddled with such people.
Leftists like G.B. Shaw, M. Stopes, Leftist/ Fascists like H. G Wells (who coined the phrase Liberal Fascism . economist J M Keynes et al – all about how the Elites could to control the masses and stop them breeding ‘degenerates’ and overpopulating the planet with the ‘wrong type of people’ They talked about it at Fabian Society meetings – the Nazis put it all into practice!
Beware the Marxist Left of ‘the ends justify any means” – a Marxist mantra enthusiastically embraced by Hitler and Himmler!
It all fell apart before WW2 when the researchers announced that a falling population in the West was the real problem!
The “Big Issue” today has to be the expected on-going huge growth of populations in Africa and Asia, which were not in the picture in the 1930s.
“Wrong type of people ” that coould be any politician from where im standing
Yes 6 million…….health terror played a part …images of Jews alongside rats and plague warnings were very effective propaganda used to terrifiy the German population. There was an expression used by the Nazis : “Juderein” – ‘rein’ means ‘clean’ with connotations of cleaning out to become ‘healthy’ .
They are getting close!
Interesting that there is no way Britain’s immediate post -war population would have swallowed the mountain of lies being pushed out daily by the Johnson Cabal!
The British population fell for Churchills lies that led them into war, and they have fallen for every globalist lie since, particularly on the EEC and mass immigration..
You’ll also notice how often he resorts to the use of expressions beloved by advertising copy-writers when quoting statistics. My particular bug-bear in this regard is “up to”.
i think he meant unclean
Un-citizens
That is a vital piece of info for us to explain to those around us – it should be above the line.
And incidentally, if Noah thinks Macron’s attitude is about saving hospital pressure – “I can only imagine” – he lacks imagination. Clearly it is about much deeper politics than that.
What’s absolutely crazy is there’s no mention of the abysmal logical fallacy of this. Look at the two statements:
1. There are two million slots this week for people to get vaccinated.
2. The majority of people in ICU for Covid are not vaccinated.
So what? There is no causal connection between 1 & 2 whatsoever. If there is, let Whitty spell it out. Don’t hold your breath, because there is none. Here’s another one, just as true, and equally meaningless:
2. The majority of people in ICU for Covid are not stamp collectors, and do not support the LA Lakers – 99.9%.
No- this is simply not true anyway ‘not vaccinated’ now means “not boosted”! ie they have already had two doses of the mixture.
Most of those in hospital are vaccinated and just as those on the Cruise Ships now reporting mass outbreaks of “Covid” (symptoms?) are vaccinated – conclusion – the injection is responsible for the symptoms?
Vaccinated people ‘shed’ the spike proteins manufactured in their cells to others!
We are bombarded wit falsehood to keep the narrative alive!
You need to look at the graph, and try and fathom out what has happened, as I have done elswhere. Here is the link to the report whitty used. file:///C:/Users/CCUK/AppData/Local/Temp/ICNARC_COVID-19_Report_2021-12-31.pdf.pdf
According to the chart ~60% of ICU admissions in December 2021 were unvaccinated, so Whitty’s statement appears to be correct.
I don’t think you understand the sleight of hand here. The figures are cumulative counts (total) of all people who have entered ICU since the middle of April, not the current situation which Whitty implied. Back in mid April only 10 million were fully vaccinated, meaning 50 million were not, back then most ICU cases were unvaccinated and contributed more.
That’s not very clearly described on the chart. Does it explain further in the full report?
The link is in the original post, feel free to read the document and form your own opinion.
The link doesn’t work. It does to the dashboard, but not the INARC report.
Something isnt right here. Why, when potent viruses were doing the rounds, the amount of non vaxed ICU admission go down, but when a mild virus was doing the rounds in December, the non vaxed ICU admission suddenly increases. I suspect a covert administrative decision was made in late November in relation to the testing. Either test non vaxed but not vaxed, or raise CT value on vaxed and lower it on unvaxed. Something has been done for sure.
And the non vax admission rise times and correlates perfectly with the third dose, which is the same as the second dose – yet we see no stepped decline for that dose.
It stinks.
Because the higher infectiousness of the less potent virus compensates for its lack of potency.
I think the number is high and wonder whether the use of NIMs to define the population is skewing the figures. If there are more unvaccinated than we are led to believe this makes the numbers more proportionate Also the report does not break down total hospitalisations by vax status…are the vaccinated being hospitalised disproportionately higher in non covid definitions? Something does not feel right …
Does the chart not show 61% (or thereabouts) unvax critical care admissions for December? It’s weird how it’s gone up from October though. Very strange. Why would that be? it’s not the booster as they are reported separately.
Its like an administrative decision was taken in October to make sure the stats reflect the hype. Did they start to have different CT values for injeced and non injected? We dont know what they are doing in these labs. Its been done before.
Sir witless still lying is he?
I suppose I shouldn’t be surprised.
Whitty is a proven liar in that he has used, as have others, out of date data and “not the whole story” ( viz very partial data presented at Press briefings passim and subsequently shredded by others) to deliver what he might call “settled” science. He knows EXACTLY what he is doing (the bidding of his Big Pharma chums). Perhaps he agrees with his Lord and Master that the statements made by Gerd vd B, McCullough, AFLD ( see their recent email about their case against mandated jabs where they expose confirmations that these jabs are not vaccines, and therefore are treatments, from Fauci downwards, or upwards if you prefer ) Bhakdi and a load of other non aligned ( i.e. not bought off) scientists are “mumbo jumbo”
If ever there was a phrase that will bite back hard, this is surely it.
May I recommend this to all interested: it is as big a reveal of the acceptance that these jabs are not vaccines as I have found to date, with damnjing ( sic, refers to any situation with a link to Wuhan) admissions including those by Fauci and Big Pharma oiks in a total of 50 cited references – it has major implications in the US if the Judge upholds the case and if so, it will surely be a precedent to be referred to in any UK Court ( perhaps, not a Lawyer):
https://americasfrontlinedoctors.org/2/files/aflds-amicus-brief-in-support-of-emergency-applications-for-osha-ets-cases/
Don’t think it will be on Bozo’s weekend reading but I bet it will be monitored by the Nudge Unit/SAGE – would it not be great to get a journalist to put it to the liars at the next briefing….
Great link – chinks of light eh?
Expect to hear “citizenship” a lot more over the coming months, as the doom cult narrative switches from the Chinese Virus to social responsibility in order to entrench the credit score apps.
I don’t think Emperor Micron will be able to swing Vax for Votes this time around, but when Le Frogs inevitably vote him in again because (much like here) the opposition eats itself while squabbling for second place, there will be a push for that too.
social responsibility, or in other words collectivism another word for communism where the collective is more important than the individual and the individual must be sacrificed to protect the collective. I have heard it said by the young and the woke that this will be a new form of communism one that will be better because it will be different, Clearly they have read about Russia under Communism, and the Eastern block, undoubtedly North Korea, China etc. What they have failed to do is to understand why it failed and caused so much misery. In all these regimes the people at the top drove around in their fancy cars, lived in great houses, servants, did not queue for mouldy food, were not watched every hour of the day and reported on by their neighbour. However the ordinary people lived and still live under North Korea and China the worst of lives, controlled, their every move monitored and awarded with treats or liberties such as being able to travel on public transport taken away, just like a dog. Look at France, Italy, Austria, Australia and they are just the start a new order is being put in place and people are… Read more »
Aye. If you can’t look after yourself, how the hell can you look after anybody else?
Yeah, a little bit of Ayn Rand would not hurt to sort out what’s really going on.
Sadly I agree with that likely outcome.
Mattias Desmet mentions this as one of the ways in which mass formation is sustained by those who use it for nefarious purposes. The mass originally forms because a huge group of people whose lives are filled with anxiety but lacking in meaning or social contact get focused on one particular thing (in this case COVID-19) and are sustained by the new social bonds which being part of the group fighting the common “enemy” COVID-19 creates.
Those who are using the mass formation know that painting people who conform to the narrative as “good citizens” strengthens the pro-narrative group and increases animosity against the non-believers.
For now, this mainly applies to the divide between the vaccinated and unvaccinated but it will no doubt be extended to other issues like being a good environmental citizen, or by not eating meat, or whatever the cause du jour happens to be.
The name change of “Public Health England” to the “UK Health Security Agency” tells you all you need to know
If you were serious about creating a Security Agency would you really put it in the hands of somoreone quite as useless as Dame Jenny Harries? (To answer my own question, you’d probably only do so if the only other name on the shortlist was Dido Harding!)
Its not an IQ test. These people are order-followers. Thats why they are there.
A real health security agency would have assassinated Fauci and his cronies about 10 years ago. We wouldn’t be in this mess then.
Even if clogging up the health system was a valid reason for “punishing” unjabbed people, is there actually any reliable evidence that vaccines really do reduce risk? The data this last week from Germany and Denmark would suggest not. Anyone know of any firm real world evidence the vaccines reduce risk?
Are not the adverse reactions to the never ending death jabs and unknown long term side effects also likely to be a burden on the NHS?
If that occurs it is all according to plan.
For governments implementing Agenda 2030 a collapsing health service is perfect – more misery, illness and death. And it is the perfect rinse and repeat. Hospitals at the point of collapse = lockdown and off we go again.
NOTHING, absolutely NOTHING implemented by this government will have the good health of its people at its heart.
I’ve been asking this question every time a writer of a DS article states that the jabs help the old and vulnerable.
No reply as yet.
I consider myself reasonably well read on the subject of injections. I have not read a single report which confirms their alleged efficacy.
The line usually trotted out is:
“helps to reduce severity of illness if you become infected.” Wholly non verifiable of course. Otherwise the injections simply poison you.
Why do you think it’s “wholly non verifiable”? You have groups with/without an intervention, and you have measurable effects, so what is non-verifiable about that?
To be honest he can say what he wants.
It is parliament who pass laws to make life comfortable or not. At the moment it is the latter. It is likely to stay that way for some time. I persoanlly can not see any laws related to health passports being dropped in the near future.
Is he being honest, very much doubt it, more like electioneering. Plus as its still in the experimental stage and still no liability from anyone, they can hardly blame people refusing it on moral grounds
Like his stance on fishing.
May be he will send the unvaxxed in boats to the UK.
He is simply trying to assure his loyal followers that they will not be victimized by his regime. Of course, given the character of the regime, this is a complete lie. That our Dr. Jones is falling for it and assuming “honesty” from a politician illustrates that Macaron is indeed an adept liar.
“Unvaccinated student, 22, spends five days in a coma with Covid-19 and loses her hair after she refused the jab because ‘I thought being young I was safe’
Randomly saw this while doing other stuff (there truly is no escape from this garbage), did some checking and found about 1000 identical stories from media outlets: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10369017/Unvaccinated-student-22-spends-five-days-coma-Covid-19-loses-hair.html
Just Google Ffion Barnett to see the identical ‘independent’ news outlets running the exact same story ad-nauseam.
Another yawn.
I would be very interested to know if hospitals are systematically treating the vaccinated and unvaccinated differently in terms of treatments.
While there is an (albeit very poor, given its transmissability and relative mildness) argument for segregating those who test positive for COVID and those who test negative, there is NO justification for giving unvaccinated people inferior treatment.
Lots of different categories. No injections. An injection given within the last two weeks. Two injections. Two injections, but one in last two weeks and then three jabs, with the final one being pre two weeks and post two weeks. Which ones are considered ‘vaccinated’?
That’s how the media works. Most stories you read in papers and see on the TV are not sourced by their reporters. They come from trusted agencies like Reuters and PA and AP, the media pays them for news. So put a story into an agency and it will be widely reported.
Is the ‘covid victim’ another actor?
Lots of crisis actors busy playing covid patients – its a growth industry.https://ugetube.com/watch/shocking-crisis-actor-admits-playing-the-part-of-a-patient-struggling-with-covid-19_AuHWr4mvrqRaXe6.html?__cf_chl_jschl_tk__=gV6I1VgZwOaXlusIjytBrRc2NVN4tdUX1RsbG2qLTlM-1641466806-0-gaNycGzNCFE
Perhaps Macmoron knows that no amount of persuasion will induce a sane human being to take a dose of useless snake oil.
I can’t help feeling that this is racism, given the nature of the ethnic groups who are currently reluctant to have vaccinations
I expect in France he’s having a go at the Arabs and wants to strip them of their nationality and this is his excuse
Yes, it’s funny how all the caring sharing diversity and inclusiveness talk goes out the window when ethnic minorities get in the way of something the globalists want.
It’s funny watching the Guardian writers tying themselves in knots while on the one hand pushing the vaccines fanatically but on the other pointing out that it’s predominantly poorer and more ethnic “communities” – the people they supposedly speak on behalf of – who are refusing them.
No moral problem whatsoever, it’s the same scheme as how the Holy Inquisition saved the sinners by burning them alive at the stake. The key words are “for their own good”, as long as these are memorized, your conscience does not play a role.
Always on a winner with the race card. Dianne never leaves home without it.
now Italy has made the injection mandatory for the over 50’s, its a product that is a failure, we all know it, as we should all now realise vaccinated or not this is not about health this is about control and limiting liberty of the people of the world by other people who were elected by us to serve us, instead they are serving the billionaire boys club who see us as a host they can parasitically live off. When will these bas—-s be dragged out of office
mandatory is not law.
If they say they will fine, jail or otherwise persecute you if you dont comply – semantics dont matter.
Being honest?
Will Jones continues the general mainstream media trend of taking us for fools.
The EU have had digital “health” passport on the agenda since at least 2015. The tech platform has ‘digital wallet’ built into the platform backbone already, confirming the general globalist plan to introduce CBDC digital money, to replace debased currency that they themselves have debased, and will contine to pilfer, until the whole fucking global system comes down, in order to bring in digital slavery by the back door.
Honest? Fuck off.
This article was by Noah Carl, not Will Jones, but I agree with your comment otherwise.
From the article:
It was indeed Will Jones who said this, and Noah Carl agreed with him.
Will said at least he was being honest in admitting he was doing it only to pressurise the purebloods, not to protect the health of the vaxxed in their cafes etc.
It wasn’t wider than that.
And it still a lie.
By pretending such “honesty” he is trying to divert attention of his future loyal slaves from what he is going to do to them.
“Instead of threatening people with crass barroom talk, Macron might consider that quaint old tactic – persuasion.”. Hmmm, I think the author misses the point slightly; people are making an informed decision to remain unvaccinated. Much of that informed decision being based on articles like Noah has published. The unvaccinated are people that have done their own risk assessment (like we all used to do before the world went mad) and decided that the benefit does not outweigh the risk, and that gaining natural immunity is a safer, longer lasting, and more robust solution. Personally, I’ve had enough ‘persuasion’ to last a lifetime. The answer is the same – no thanks.
I heard that Nadal this morning said ‘the only way to end the pandemic is through vaccinations’
not really keeping up with the science is he. the vaccines may or may not reduce serious illness and death – but they will do nothing to stop the spread (as everyone knows, just some people pretend they don’t)
Many sportsmen and sportswomen, whilst they may be very good at, and highly paid, for kicking or hitting balls, or whatever their speciality may involve, are not necessarily the brainiest of people, when it comes to analysis and judgement of non-sporting stuff.
I suppose that it is apt for Nadal to talk balls.
The Company he keeps might explain it
Someone else posted another pic of this same crew [is that Trevor Noah on the left????] so this shower must have been together on more than one occasion. Look at the total dweeb on the far right.
Noah, this is the second objectionable article you have written in the last two days. There is no justification for enforcing jabs that are only being used under emergency conditions, especially ones with such a poor record and incur illness and deaths unimaginably high compared to other jabs. The argument used about health services has not been made. The data about exactly the age and comorbidity status of unjabbed ( or is that unboosted) in ICUs has not been made public, certainly not in France. Given the continuing age profile of deaths recorded as ‘covid’ it seems reasonable to assume the vast majority of unjabbed in ICUs are elderly with comorbidities. Probably people who have never had a ‘vaccine’ in their lives. But until that data is made available, we just dont know, and its suppression suggests it does not support any argument that Macron could use to justify his attitude to anyone under say 80yrs who has decided for good reason not to either get jabbed at all or not take a third one. This is just crass, gutter electioneering , pandering to his supporter base. Given the ‘natural immunity’ offered by omicron, it also smacks of a last… Read more »
The bioweapon is experimental too – so Nuremberg Code applies
just theoretically – say for example that Omicron has mutated into a form that is as dangerous as any other cold. How would we know?
People would still die ‘within 28 days’ of testing for it – likewise hospital admissions. Very old people would die of/with it as they do every winter (excess winter deaths are 40k every year and due to colds killing old people)
Do we have to carry on this farce until the spring, look back and say excess deaths were no different than any other year?
If we are to be hit with the anticipated masive increases in LHP costs, food costs, taxes both local and national, then I suggest it is fair to assume that, yet again, there will be excess deaths. I don’t think these will necessarily be confined to “old” people (whatever that may be). The consequences of government decisions on finance, lockdowns, health and the absurd “green” stuff will be something else, especially if the winter weather is harsh, but, of course, it’ll be yet more “blame Covid” nonsense, assiduously promoted by the media and especially the appalling BBC.
a decent recession takes 3 months off everyone’s life on average – 15 million QALYs for the UK (at least). More QALYs than covid could ever take in the most pessimistic scenarios. But they will come over 20 years I think. I expect this winter to be well within historic bounds (as was last winter and even the winter before – just was funny timing to happen in spring)
Yes, next winter even more old people will be heating only one room, as my parents did.
My friend is already doing this just her bedroom but she does live in sub standard housing that neither the landlord or council will address.
It feels a little bit like 1939, or thereabouts. Germany is going the Full Adolf, France is once again Petainist, Austria is post-Anschluss, Italy is still as rotten as a pear, but the new Mussolini is concentrating on enforced medical treatment, rather than fixing the economy. Greece has forgotten past history, and no doubt a new Francoist Spain and Salazar Portugal are in the offing. There are other countries, but the list is too long to publish here.
Bar room talk? If I saw Macron in a bar, I would smash his fucking face in
I would hold your pint while you did it
And I’d hold your jacket 🙂
‘Oh my god – 3 people are beating up Macron – aren’t you going to help?’
‘I think 3 is enough’
And I would buy all three of you a pint for your efforts.
And I would hypnotise any potential eyewitnesses by holding up a graph of regionalised R values.
Chris Whitty? What are you doing here?
things to feel positive about (and it doesn’t excuse anything that has been done to now)
1 – we are waiting 3 weeks before more restrictions – by which time it will be coming down anyway – should have done for the 1st wave but there we are
2 – we can laugh at fascist continental europeans and their funny ways
3 – Omicron is barely a runny nose – this thing is over (and was over april 2020 in reality) – no-one can keep this going for such a benign virus
4 – we actually have an opposition in the conservative backbenchers
5 – even the guardian is printing articles questioning lockdowns
6 – we are around cold season peak now anyway
7 – more people not having boosters – more people saying ‘Im not doing this every 6 months for life’
8 – Tony Blair, Macron, Trudeau – whatever they say – the opposite is true and moral
9 – Ferguson – seems to keep switching between 6000 deaths a day and ‘this may be over’ – he’s just wondering which way to jump
“5 – even the guardian is printing articles questioning lockdowns”
Yes and as a participant in the comments below the line, I can see that more sceptical comments are a) being allowed through by the moderators and b) getting more and more upticks these days.
you brave man!
Prof Desmet says it’s important that the non-hynotised keep opposing vocally because the moment the opposition is silenced is when the totalitarianism really starts.
you are right. I go to the guardian to find sane comments. sometimes its a struggle but its great when the sane comments get the highest rating
3) Omicron is a benign virus.
Delta was more severe.
Alpha was more severe than Delta,
I had Alpha and it was no worse than a bad cold for me but I was lucky.
John O’Looney the favourite undertaker of “conspiracy theorists” has Delta and was hospitalised and has now changed his mind that the virus is real and was created as a bio-weapon along with the killer shot jabs.
I love this – thank you. (Sometimes a ‘like’ isn’t enough.)
Thank you, Steve.
9 – Ferguson – seems to keep switching between 6000 deaths a day and ‘this may be over’ – he’s just wondering which way to jump
Over the edge of a bloody cliff, ideally.
Macron is playing the oldest trick in the book: scapegoat the innocent for his own failings.
By his own twisted logic, those who have not taken the ‘vaccine’ are being blamed for the ‘vaccine’s’ failure.
The man continues to put a rope around his own neck.
Personal health choices are nothing to do with the state. Particularly when the state-mandated injectable is experimental and no reliable safety data is available (not for 75 years anyway). In this scenario the precautionary principle is entirely valid and rational.
“Since the unvaccinated are more likely to wind up in hospital, they place a greater burden on the national health service.”
Would be good to see the data justifying that statement, in particular who is being counted as “unvaccinated” and over what period the data was collected. Does this mean “never vaccinated”, for example?
Like all lefties hes having a tantrum because people wont do as theyre told. I can almost see him with his face screwed up, tears rolling down his cheeks and banging his fist on the table.
Because as we all know lefties know better than the rest of us, and they know that they know better, and so why would anyone not want to do what they tell us because they know better…..
No need to a coherent argument or logical reasoning….they just know!
Obviously it gets tricky when people are denied a state provided service and they then question why they should pay for something they dont receive……..
They actually own the moral high ground!
The Daily Sceptic in acknowledging that this is not about stopping infection needs to take the next step and ask what is it really about?
Most of us made that step 2 years ago.
I don’t need or expect The Daily Sceptic to tell me what to think. The DS, like TCW post articles and essays and leave readers to form their own conclusions as good journalism should.
As Brian Gerrish might say over at UK Column – “don’t take our word for it. Do your own research and make your own judgements.”
Even the higher hospitalisation rate is no argument for punishment or mandating.
First, the data on that is mostly wrong, misstated and heavily manipulated.
Second, the vaccination related hospitalisations would have to be deducted from them for a net figure, and those VRHs would have to be assessed honestly in the first place.
And that leaves all the other correct general objections many mentioned here aside.
The vaccination programme began on 8 December 2020 with people receiving the vaccine developed by Pfizer/BioNTech. People began receiving the Oxford University/AstraZeneca vaccine from 4 January 2021, and the Moderna vaccine from 7 April 2021. All 3 vaccines are given as 2 doses, at least 21 days apart, for a full vaccination course. How many people have had informed consent that they are the Trials for all varieties of vaccine.