Does the Oxford Study on Post-Vaccine Myocarditis Underestimate the Risk?

There follows a guest post by Daily Sceptic reader ‘Amanuensis’, as he’s known in the comments section, who is an ex-academic and senior Government researcher/scientist with experience in the field (find his blog here). He has taken a closer look at the recent papers from Oxford University on post-vaccine myocarditis risk and has some concerns about the methodology they have used which he suspects may underestimate the risk.

A few days ago the Daily Sceptic published an article on the risks of post-vaccination myocarditis, taking data from a recent paper by Julia Hippisley-Cox of Oxford University. This is a hot topic as myocarditis appears to have become the poster-child of vaccine side effects in the young, and any scientific papers that attempt to quantify the risk of myocarditis seem to get rather a lot of attention. Hippisley-Cox’s recent paper is no different.

Unfortunately, Hippisley-Cox et al appears to have used its method of choice, the Self-Controlled Case Series (SCCS), inappropriately. This is a bit of a grand statement given that Julia Hippisley-Cox’s papers are published in Nature Medicine, a very reputable journal – I’ll explain why the method has been used inappropriately and perhaps you might agree with me.

The self-controlled case series experimental design is quite simple in concept – there’s always a risk in experiments that your experimental group (the ones that we did things to) are different from the control group (the ones that were left alone), so in SCCS you simply use the same people for the experiment group and control group. In this particular example the magic happens by allocating a time for the vaccine side effects and stating that outside of this time the vaccine risk was zero – thus each experimental participant automatically sits in both the control group and experimental group.

There’s a nuance in the way SCCS is done for the Covid vaccine trials, in that there’ll often be a period before each treatment that is set aside and not used in the data analysis – the stated reason for this is because ill people are less likely to get vaccinated. I’ll come back to this point later, but for now just remember that there’s a pre-vaccine period that is separated out from the other data.

So, just to get up to speed on the sort of thing that you’d see with SCCS, I’ve made up a ‘perfect example’ of how SCCS might be used. In the following graph the number of side effects are indicated by little red dots – there are a low level of side effects before vaccination which then increase during the week after vaccination and then a gradual return to the baseline:

It is important to remember that in the summary data that you’ll be presented in the scientific paper all you would see is the data represented by the black lines – the baseline, the pre-vaccine period and the post-vaccine period. Thus it is difficult to spot the actual distribution of the data within each time period. Sometimes you get some additional data within the side-effect period – I’ve indicated these additional data in the graph above with the green horizontal lines.

The other important point to remember about the above graph is that the baseline data is made up of both of the baseline periods – it isn’t given separately. Luckily, in the above example we can see that the time period for side effects looks to be about right, and thus the baseline appears to be accurate.

To summarise so far, I’ve invented some data that shows a side effect rate after a vaccine of about 25 events per day in the 21 days after vaccination, compared with a rate of about 7.5 events per day in the baseline and in the pre-vaccine period, resulting in an Incidence Risk Ratio (IRR) in the 21 days after vaccination of about 25/75, or 3.3 (shown on the right hand scale).

I’m sure that many can already see the complication with the SCCS methodology – it is vitally important that the study side-effect period is selected so that it is at least as long as the actual period in which you find the side effects. The impact of having too short a side-effect period is that you’ll get side effects bleeding into the baseline data. I’ve modified the first example data to show this effect:

In this example some of the parameters are the same – the baseline data before vaccination is about 7.5 events per day, as is that of the pre-vaccine period, and there’s an average of 25 events per day in the 21 days after vaccination. So far so good. The only difference this time is that the side effects continue into the baseline period after the 21 days allocated for the side effects to be identified; these later side effects have a pronounced impact on the baseline data.

In the above example, the bleeding of side effects into the post-vaccine baseline period increases the baseline to 15 from 7.5 – so, even though the actual number of side effects after the vaccine remains the same at about 25 events per day, the estimated IRR changes from about 3.3 (25/7.5) to about 1.7 (25/15). And all because we chose a too-short time period for the side-effects to occur.

Note that there are actually two impacts of this too-short a time period:

  • The baseline is artificially higher, thus the risk appears lower than it should be
  • Only some of the side effects are counted – any side effects occurring after the side effect period are ignored; this further lowers the estimate of side effect risk.

Of course, everyone should now be shouting ‘but that’s just because you deliberately chose a side-effect period of only 21 days’ – and you’d be absolutely right. Indeed, I made up this entire example just to illustrate the problem. Of course, science isn’t as simple as this – if you’re undertaking a trial to identify side effects, how would you know what side effect period to use before you’ve worked out that the side effects even exist? Really I should have first shown what is called a sensitivity analysis, where my assumptions were checked against the data – this would have highlighted that I’d made a mistake in my choice of side-effect window and made me rethink my assumptions.

Remember, in the scientific paper the only information you would get are the data for each of the black lines; you wouldn’t be able to see any of the underlying data (i.e., the red dots in the above examples). However, there are a few clues indicating that the side effects might be bleeding into the baseline:

  • The first is that pre-vaccine period – this is included based on the assumption that people that have recently had a medical condition that’s the same as one of the vaccine’s known serious side-effects are less likely to be vaccinated. Thus the fact that there is a pre-vaccine difference isn’t quite a smoking gun – but nevertheless the presence of such a large difference in the pre-vaccine treatment period might raise suspicions.
  • The second is any supplementary information on the change in risk during the side-effect period. I indicated these additional data in green in the graphs above. What you want to see is the risk declining to near the baseline during the latter part of the side effect period (as in example one above); suspicions would be raised if you had risk remaining flat during the side effect period; and alarm bells should ring if the risk appeared to increase during the side effect period (as in example two above).

That’s enough theory – what about the actual data?

I’m going to choose some data from the paper by Hippisley-Cox et al published on December 14th 2021 – “Risks of myocarditis, pericarditis, and cardiac arrhythmias associated with COVID-19 vaccination or SARS-CoV-2 infection“. Specifically, the risk to women from myocarditis after vaccination with the first dose of the Pfizer Covid vaccine:

Note that there’s no underlying data to help us see what is going on; all we have is the calculated IRR, and remember that the average for the baseline period includes both periods before and after the vaccine was given. So, the question is: does the graph above look more like the ‘good use of SCCS’ graph given at the start of this article, or more like the ‘poor use of self-controlled study design’ graph.

I think this data looks more like the ‘poor use of self-controlled study design’ graph – the inference is that there are side effects that continue into the second baseline period, resulting in the baseline being too high. The result of this would then flow through all of their subsequent analysis, making the vaccines look safer than they are.

What I’d really like to see is the sensitivity analysis of the choice of side effect period, so that we can see if it has introduced a problem – but this isn’t given in their paper. I believe that the ‘28 day period’ is arbitrary; they’ve simply used this time period in all of their vaccine side effect papers, presumably after deciding that it was ‘about right’. Alternatively, they could present the baseline data for before the first vaccine dose and all subsequent baseline data separately – this would immediately identify if there were side effect events bleeding into the baseline periods. Unfortunately the authors do neither.

Now, I picked a ‘good example’ in the above graph, so I’ll give another example that’s less clear – the risk of myocarditis in women under 40 after vaccination with the Pfizer vaccine, taken from the pre-print submitted by Hippisley-Cox et al on December 25th 2021, “Risk of myocarditis following sequential COVID-19 vaccinations by age and sex“. A few points before presenting the data. Firstly, the data covers a period from December 1st 2020 to November 15th 2021 and three vaccinations (and thus three pre-vaccination periods and three post vaccination baseline periods). The actual vaccination points will be variable within that period, so I’ll show their published data against a ‘typical vaccination schedule’ just for illustrative purposes. It is also important to note that Hippisley-Cox averaged all the pre-vaccine period data together, as well as all the baseline data.

Maybe not so clear now, but that’s the nature of experimental trials – sometimes the data aren’t obvious. However, I certainly wouldn’t like to say that the risks of post-vaccination myocarditis were definitely contained within the 28 days after each vaccine and looking at the above I’d think hard about my choice of experimental method.

I suggest that the recent papers by Hippisley-Cox et al on the risks of myocarditis are flawed in that they assume too short a period after each vaccination for side effects to occur, and that this incorrect assumption coupled with the use of the self-controlled study design is resulting in a significant underestimation of vaccine risk.

I also note that Hippisley-Cox et al have used this approach in previous analyses of risks of clot-related and neurological side-effects; analysis of their supplementary data suggests that for both of these papers the period allowed for vaccine related side effects was also likely to be too short, and probably also resulted in a significant underestimation of vaccine risk.

What disturbs isn’t that they’ve made a mistake – these things happen. What disturbs me is that this wasn’t picked up by the peer reviewers and that there’s been no discussion of these papers’ failings now that they’re published.

It also disturbs how difficult it appears to be to publish any trials and/or analysis that appear to show the vaccines in a bad light. For example, compare the negative press about the numerous trials into the use of Ivermectin, compared with the single trial supporting Pfizer’s Covid treatment Paxlovid which resulted in emergency authorisation being granted for its use by the NHS.

Finally, it also disturbs me that Hippisley-Cox’s two recent papers will now be taken as proof that myocarditis is rare and that anyone disputing this isn’t following the science. Science is different from religious dogma; challenge is part of its fundamental nature.

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PhantomOfLiberty
PhantomOfLiberty
4 years ago

In the first year of Covid vaccination in the U.K. there were 1,852 fatal yellow card reports – MHRA estimates only 10% of serious reactions get reported

https://www.bmj.com/content/375/bmj.n3152/rr-1

RickH
4 years ago

The frequency of less serious side effects alone should have rung alarm bells.

realarthurdent
4 years ago
Reply to  RickH

There was a Yellow Card raised for 1 in every 128 people vaccinated in the UK, last time I checked. And 1 death reported via Yellow Card for every 28,000 people vaccinated in the UK.

OliveTrees
4 years ago
Reply to  realarthurdent

It’s like a National Lottery for Death. The National Clottery.

bOrgkilLaH1of7
4 years ago
Reply to  OliveTrees

Which isn’t funny at all if you have sons of Uni age requiring jabs for entrance and on-site learning

https://alexberenson.substack.com/p/more-bad-news-on-covid-vaccines-and/comments

BillRiceJr
BillRiceJr
4 years ago
Reply to  bOrgkilLaH1of7

Alex Berenson’s substack page is great. Highly recommended like The Daily Skeptic. These substack pages seem to be where all the great skeptical and smart analysis is coming from.

Vxi7
Vxi7
4 years ago
Reply to  BillRiceJr

Worldedge, eugyppius, igorchudov, theagingviking etc. Substack is the next goldmine.

JeremyP99
4 years ago
Reply to  Vxi7

My humble thorn in their side…

https://jeremypoynton.substack.com/

and substackers I follow… substack is where it’s at. Man 🙂

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JeremyP99
4 years ago
Reply to  bOrgkilLaH1of7

Given that Uni is a total waste of time and a fab way of amassing a huge debt, skip it. Our four children all went straight into work from school after a year off (working abroad, not gap yahing), and by graduation age were self-supporting and debt free.

David Beaton
David Beaton
4 years ago
Reply to  RickH

The bells have been muffled ( orders from above).

amanuensis
4 years ago

Quite.

I note that in one of Hippisley-Cox’s previous papers (the one on clot-related disorders, referenced in the text in the article) they quoted the incidence found in hospitalisation data. The Yellow Card data for AZ was about 30% of the hospitalisations, for Pfizer less than 10%. I note that ‘everyone knows’ that AZ is worse for clots — is the Yellow Card system merely reflecting the concerns society has about a given side effect, rather than collecting unbiased data?

Oh, and the actual comparative rates? Pfizer’s clot related hospitalisations were slightly higher (per 100,000 doses) than AZ. Funny how it works.

JeremyP99
4 years ago
Reply to  amanuensis
marebobowl
marebobowl
4 years ago

Steve Kirsch and MIT trained engineer, inventor of the optical mouse and a fairly smart guy has shown an underreporting factor factor of 41 for the cdc VAERS. Steve can be found on substack with so many other extremely bright researchers, data analysts, doctors. Avoid msm, sadly they have all been bought.

MrTea
MrTea
4 years ago

Reiner Fulmich referencing the recent analysis of VAERS showing that 1 in every 200 batches of the Pfizer vaccine is absolutely lethal where the other 199 batches are essentially inert.
Clear proof of pharma’s criminality.

This Shows Intent: It’s Deliberate
https://www.bitchute.com/video/GNUZPESP3rKL/

lordsnooty
4 years ago
Reply to  MrTea

they are making the classic Newbie error of putting blind faith in a database they do not understand and hence jump to false conclusions.

MrTea
MrTea
4 years ago
Reply to  lordsnooty

Why is the conclusion that 1 in 200 batches of Pfizer causes massive amounts of injury and death when the VAERS database is showing that 1 in 200 batches of the Pfizer vaccine causes massive amounts of injury and death?

lordsnooty
4 years ago
Reply to  MrTea

the smoking gun is thast the lot id for all 300 batches is the word NONE, which is generated by VAERS when a user puts in erroneous data, hence there are disastrous data entry error in the DB. The data has no integrity.

MrTea
MrTea
4 years ago
Reply to  lordsnooty

Thank you for the clarification.

lordsnooty
4 years ago
Reply to  MrTea

you are quite welcome.

cornubian
4 years ago
Reply to  MrTea

lordsnooty is a shill. VAERS records vaccine lots, and thats where the data comes from. Any VAERS report that did not contain lot numbers, or were typed in wrong, were removed from the study.

lordsnooty
4 years ago
Reply to  cornubian

cornubian is lying. vaccine lots field is frequently NONE, due to poor data entry, VAERS is full of rubbish:see this 222,000 records none, check for yourself.

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cornubian
4 years ago
Reply to  lordsnooty

@lordsnooty, you are getting desperate, angry and making mistakes. Take a look at this link, it explains how the researcher USED LOT NUMBERS FROM VAERS to reach his conclusion that a small number of lots are responsible for a large number of deaths and injuries. https://celiafarber.substack.com/p/uk-scientist-reveals-bombshell-data

Judy Watson
Judy Watson
4 years ago
Reply to  cornubian

If I remember correctly it was Mike Yeadon who first identified this

lordsnooty
4 years ago
Reply to  cornubian

unfortunately in this system, no check is made that the lot id is valid,hence invalid reports are input for invalid lots,it is not easy to identify the invalid reports to remove or correct them, it is a poor system.

lordsnooty
4 years ago
Reply to  MrTea

the computer industry has millions of examples of how poor data integrity have caused false conclusions to be drawn.In this, when a user enters a batch id for a new adverse reaction, if the batch id does not already exist, the system makes a new id from the erroneous input, when two people make the same error, adverse events and accumulated against the false batch id. It is not a good system.

BeBopRockSteady
4 years ago
Reply to  lordsnooty

Failing to point out that the trend identified is still significant when the NONE categories are removed from the data set seems a bit of a poor attempt to deflect the argument being made.

lordsnooty
4 years ago

It is not good enough to delete NONE records. With their ‘conclusions’ from the fact that 95% of the batches or lot numbers have very few adverse events reported against them on the VAERS system and that only 5% of the batches or lot numbers have the majority of adverse events reported against them.

The VAERS data entry system has no look-up system to screen out typo errors. And thus when typo error occurs when entering a lot number.
 
Eg using a o instead of a 0 or z instead of a 2 etc
 
It effectively creates a new batch or lot with adverse event(s) recorded against it as the lot number data entry is infrequently repeated.

realarthurdent
4 years ago
Reply to  lordsnooty

I just downloaded the 2021 vax data from the VAERS database and in Excel filtered the VAX_NAME to list only the adverse reports for the COVID vaccines, resulting in 728611 records.
I then filtered the VAX_LOT field to show those entries which contained NONE or something similar, and there were 244 such records.
244 out of 728611 records. 0.03% of them.
So there are some data integrity errors, yes, but not on the scale you suggest. You are clearly just trying to blow smoke here to distract people.

And this does not detract from the discovery the analysts made, which was that a very small subset of the lot numbers which ARE defined and valid, contribute the overwhelming majority of the most serious reported adverse effects.

lordsnooty
4 years ago
Reply to  realarthurdent

THE PERILS of a newbie using excel are well known: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-54423988

lordsnooty
4 years ago
Reply to  realarthurdent

It is not good enough to ignore or delete NONE records. With their ‘conclusions’ from the fact that 95% of the batches or lot numbers have very few adverse events reported against them on the VAERS system and that only 5% of the batches or lot numbers have the majority of adverse events reported against them.
The VAERS data entry system has no look-up system to screen out typo errors. And thus when typo error occurs when entering a lot number.
 
Eg using a o instead of a 0 or z instead of a 2 etc
 
It effectively creates a new batch or lot with adverse event(s) recorded against it as the lot number data entry is infrequently repeated.

lordsnooty
4 years ago
Reply to  realarthurdent

re: are some data integrity errors … that’s what I told you.if you can get past the errors say how, or quit wastuinhg our time. The integrity is poor as you said,.


lordsnooty
4 years ago
Reply to  MrTea

go to https://vaers.hhs.gov/data.html
chose ASearch cdc data
and Vaers Data search.
Group Results by vaccine Lot
chose e.g Arizona
chose vaccine product covid19 vaccines.

as manufacturer, chose e.g. Moderna
click send button
use arrow to sort result.
In this example,
Top vaccine lot is NONE, 30% OF TOTAL
many other vaccine lot keys are bogus/fake/useless.
most of the lot have max 1 event.
If you get the vaers id, you can find out more data on individual people.

But in a random set of searches the most common lot in alway NONE, which is suspicious.
have a look and check it out,.

cornubian
4 years ago
Reply to  lordsnooty

@lordsnooty, calm down and take a deep breath. If NONE as a category is referring to the times when people fail to input a lot number, or make a mistake on entering the lot number, then NONE will most surely be the most prominent single category. If 30% of the entries are NONE, then 70% of the categories refer to actual lot numbers which can be analysed -and that is what the researcher did..https://celiafarber.substack.com/p/uk-scientist-reveals-bombshell-data

cornubian
4 years ago
Reply to  lordsnooty

All that says is some lot numbers are currupted YAWN.

lordsnooty
4 years ago
Reply to  cornubian

corrupt data, garbage in garbage out.

lordsnooty
4 years ago
Reply to  cornubian

It is not good enough to ignore or delete NONE records. With their ‘conclusions’ from the fact that 95% of the batches or lot numbers have very few adverse events reported against them on the VAERS system and that only 5% of the batches or lot numbers have the majority of adverse events reported against them.
The VAERS data entry system has no look-up system to screen out typo errors. And thus when typo error occurs when entering a lot number.
 
Eg using a o instead of a 0 or z instead of a 2 etc
 
It effectively creates a new batch or lot with adverse event(s) recorded against it as the lot number data entry is infrequently repeated.

realarthurdent
4 years ago
Reply to  lordsnooty

Nothing you have said about the missing or invalid lot numbers invalidates the research, which shows that the overwhelming majority of adverse effect reports relate to a very small number of specific lot numbers.

Nor does it affect the fact that adverse reactions reported in VAERS for the COVID vaccines (regardless of lot numbers) dwarf anything seen with previous vaccines, in particular the influenza vaccine.

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lordsnooty
4 years ago
Reply to  MrTea

IN THE TROAL DATABASE i FOUND ces 320,395 rows, where the lot id is NONE, I have very little faith in the intgrity of this data.

cornubian
4 years ago
Reply to  lordsnooty

There are over a million ‘covid’ entries in VAERS. If 320,000 are void, that leaves over 700,000 lot numbers to be analysed. https://celiafarber.substack.com/p/uk-scientist-reveals-bombshell-data

lordsnooty
4 years ago
Reply to  cornubian

Data integrity is more important than you think.I only scratched surface and found rotten data right away.
if you do not trust me, try this
https://ocla.ca/ocla-statement-on-analysis-of-batch-specific-toxicity-of-covid-19-vaccine-products-using-vaers-data/

cornubian
4 years ago
Reply to  lordsnooty

Ive already dealt with this junk.

lordsnooty
4 years ago
Reply to  cornubian

you dealt with it incorrectly since It is not good enough to ignore or delete NONE records. With their ‘conclusions’ from the fact that 95% of the batches or lot numbers have very few adverse events reported against them on the VAERS system and that only 5% of the batches or lot numbers have the majority of adverse events reported against them.
The VAERS data entry system has no look-up system to screen out typo errors. And thus when typo error occurs when entering a lot number.
 
Eg using a o instead of a 0 or z instead of a 2 etc
 
It effectively creates a new batch or lot with adverse event(s) recorded against it as the lot number data entry is infrequently repeated.

JeremyP99
4 years ago
Reply to  lordsnooty

Some rotten data does not mean all rotten data. Show me ANY huge database that doesn’t have crap in it. Especially if its a government one.

GlassHalfFull
4 years ago
Reply to  lordsnooty

As far as Covid experimental jabs are concerned a statistician who enjoys debunking “conspiracy theorists” was shocked when they trawled through the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS) data to find that 95% to 96% of batches of Pfizer and Moderna vaccines had zero death reports made against them meaning all the 5,431 reported deaths at that time were associated with just 4% to 5% of specific batches of their vaccines.
https://www.theburningplatform.com/2021/11/02/uh-thats-not-a-conspiracy-theory/

cornubian
4 years ago
Reply to  GlassHalfFull

Exactly right. Makes you wonder why lordsnooty is desperately trying to discredit this valuable, and potentially life saving, this information.

lordsnooty
4 years ago
Reply to  cornubian

garbage in garbage out

Judy Watson
Judy Watson
4 years ago
Reply to  lordsnooty

Tell you this
WHY DON’T YOU JUST FOXTROT UNFORM CHARLIE KILO OFF!!!

lordsnooty
4 years ago
Reply to  cornubian

let me know when you have data that has integrity, until then, it’s hogwash.

cornubian
4 years ago
Reply to  lordsnooty

OCLA YAWN

lordsnooty
4 years ago
Reply to  MrTea

A story from earlier in the crisis about how incorrect conclusions were drawn from a system with poor integrity https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/oct/05/how-excel-may-have-caused-loss-of-16000-covid-tests-in-england

RickH
4 years ago

Well analysed. Thank you.

Taking a broader context, the general suppression of balanced critical debate that scientific enquiry needs in order to function has resulted in a situation whereby the requirement to establish a hypothesis has been turned on its head. Thus – lack of evidence to contradict an assertion is taken as confirmation, which lands us in the contradictory position whereby the abolition of proper trial procedure (and consequent data) is taken as affirmation of acceptable safety for the ‘vaccines’.

amanuensis
4 years ago
Reply to  RickH

Absolutely. It is a dreadful state of affairs.

MrTea
MrTea
4 years ago
Reply to  RickH

The interesting reality is that the covid ‘vaccines’ have had the most extensive testing any vaccine has ever undergone before being unleashed on the public.

This is because vaccines normally undergo next to no safety testing before being released, it is just that most people simply don’t know this about previous vaccines.

sophie123
4 years ago
Reply to  MrTea

To my great shame, I did not realise this until recently either. And I was a senior exec at a vaccine manufacturer. They sure never mentioned that. Or that there have been NO studies on the flu vaccine in pregnant women, despite pregnant women being recommended to have one.

MrTea
MrTea
4 years ago
Reply to  sophie123

Have you read the book ‘Dissolving Illusions by Dr Susan Humphries.
She sets out an incredibly compelling case proving that improvements in sanitation, waste disposal, clean water and food account for the massive improvements in public health and that vaccines have played no discerable part (because they came so late) in this?

twinkytwonk
4 years ago
Reply to  MrTea

Clean water has saved more lives and extended life expectancy more than anything else

JeremyP99
4 years ago
Reply to  twinkytwonk

And indeed, had the money pissed away on “climate change” been put to better use, much of the 3rd world could have clean water and
cheap energy. 2 million die from the effects of wood smoke annually

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-17775211

Scientists say the notoriously dry continent of Africa is sitting on a vast reservoir of groundwater.
They argue that the total volume of water in aquifers underground is 100 times the amount found on the surface.
The team have produced the most detailed map yet of the scale and potential of this hidden resource.”

sophie123
4 years ago
Reply to  MrTea

I haven’t (yet), but I am aware of the argument and have always quietly concurred with it. I’m not completely sure on some of them (eg polio, TB), but always thought most vaccines were overkill but essentially harmless.

I honestly did not realise they didn’t get the same level of safety scrutiny as regular drugs. Vaccine regulators are stuck in the 1950s, assuming all vaccines are still attenuated viruses.

JohnK
4 years ago
Reply to  sophie123

Which may be why they have tweaked definitions to be able to call it a “vaccine”, otherwise they’d be stuck in the process for developing a new “regular drug”. Money talks in the trade, after all.

ChristineJ58
ChristineJ58
4 years ago
Reply to  MrTea

The author’s first name is Suzanne (not Susan).

JeremyP99
4 years ago
Reply to  MrTea

Friend of my wife had a severe anaphylactic reaction to the whooping cough jab in her childhood. Hasn’t had a jab since. Nor is she registered with a GP. Which given what has happened the past two years, might be a wise move, if they are refusing exemptions to people with a record of anaphylaxis. I’ve exempted myself as I am a human being and not a guinea pig.

ElSabio
4 years ago
Reply to  MrTea

The interesting reality is that the covid ‘vaccines’ have had the most extensive testing any vaccine has ever undergone before after being unleashed on the public… and those vaccines have been found wanting… seriously wanting.

MrTea
MrTea
4 years ago
Reply to  ElSabio

No, before.
This is because previous vaccines had significantly less testing than the covid muck.

Judy Watson
Judy Watson
4 years ago
Reply to  MrTea

Yet another tosser on this site

amanuensis
4 years ago
Reply to  MrTea

There’s normally safety testing in the trials themselves.

And then there’s extended pharmacovigilance for those that took part in the trials — ie, if a person in the phase 1 trial developed a weird disease a couple of years later then the trial sponsor would be notified.

Because the normal route to approval of a medical product is many years, this will identify some longer term risks (but probably not rare risks).

Then, when the product is finally approved, it’ll be used first in a sub-population that is most at risk from the disease/condition. There will also be pharmacovigilance in this community to pick up rare side effects.

Eventually the product will be released into the general population according to need.

To release a medical product into the general public where there is little risk from the disease a mere 6 months after phase I trials (first-in-man) is unheard of.

Will there be consequences of this haste? I don’t know, and neither does anyone else. If we do get few longer term effects from these vaccines it’ll be by luck rather than judgement.

ElSabio
4 years ago
Reply to  amanuensis

To release a medical product into the general public where there is little risk from the disease a mere 6 months after phase I trials (first-in-man) is unheard of.

Agree 100%.

MrTea
MrTea
4 years ago
Reply to  amanuensis

You are reerring to the development of medications, there are special rules of vaccines, the safety testing for numerous vaccines often lasts only days and involves a handful of test subjects.
This sounds ridiculous, it is reidiculous, it is also true.

Bungle
4 years ago
Reply to  MrTea

mRNA is not a vaccine

sophie123
4 years ago
Reply to  Bungle

Unfortunately though, this is how the regulators have decided to treat it. Which means no carcinogenicity testing, no genotoxicity testing and abbreviated everything else.

SAGE LIARS
4 years ago
Reply to  sophie123

” this is how the regulators have decided to treat it’….slight correction…the is how corrupt to core, useless, evil parasites like June Raine from the MHRA were paid to treat it!! She is yet another of the ‘experts’ who should be fired immediately, in fact she should never have got the job in the first place!! Just another Bill Gates plant

Judy Watson
Judy Watson
4 years ago
Reply to  MrTea

Piss off. Can’t bear to read any more of your crap

cornubian
4 years ago
Reply to  amanuensis

Because the manufacturers have been made exempt from all claims of liability, they have no need to conduct safety tests – hence the phase three trials being destroyed. Just launch it on the public and tough luck to anyone that kops it.

artfelix
4 years ago
Reply to  MrTea

The important caveat being that other vaccines are based on exceptionally well understood technology with very long timeline of extensive use. Not so the gene therapy currently being used.

Its rather like saying “my new flying car has had more crash tests than the Ford Fiesta, why are you worried about flying it.”

Or rather it’s like saying that after 30,000 just died flying your new cars.

MrTea
MrTea
4 years ago
Reply to  artfelix

You are incorrect (because you have been lied to) regarding earlier vaccines.
All the old school vaccines have had piss poor safety testing, even worse than the covid muck.

You might like to watch this 2019 WHO meeting regarding vaccine hesitancy, you will be amazed at what the WHO admits to regarding vaccines.

https://www.bitchute.com/video/wOXtTS4djENX/

artfelix
4 years ago
Reply to  MrTea

Not really. I have no doubt that many vaccines are released with little to no testing – this is fairly well known. However vaccine technology is as old as the hills and has been tested not just in labs but in the real world for longer than most of us have been alive. The point I’m making is that the Covid jab is not a vaccine and so there is no body of general public data about the technology being used in the same way as there is for even a brand new vaccine that went through no testing. We know how vaccines work in practice and we don’t know how the Covid jab works – certainly in anything other than the very short term. And so far even that suggest the answer is that they don’t work.

Libertarianist
4 years ago
Reply to  artfelix

Agree.
It’s akin to safety testing a new model of car, then changing the colour and trim and trying to claim that because this new variant is not tested, we haven’t really tested this new one

sophie123
4 years ago
Reply to  Libertarianist

No it’s not! It’s like safety testing a new car (minimally), then building a spaceship and saying this new variant doesn’t need any more testing than the new car that was barely scrutinised but didn’t actually blow up killing millions of people, just a few here and there.

While the spaceship is starting to explode a lot more frequently so people are paying more attention.

JeremyP99
4 years ago
Reply to  artfelix

Indeed. I gather the average lapse time from the start of clinical trials to full authorisation of a new form of medical treatment – which this is, is 10 to 12.5 years.

To state that this is fully tested is criminal

Susan
4 years ago
Reply to  MrTea

What?

Vxi7
Vxi7
4 years ago
Reply to  MrTea

Please take care. You clearly drink too much.

eastender53
4 years ago
Reply to  MrTea

Utter, unmitigated drivel. A novel vaccine traditionally takes 10-12 years of tests and trials before being approved.

https://www.ifpma.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/07/IFPMA-ComplexJourney-2019_FINAL.pdf

sophie123
4 years ago

Given that presumably the updated paper is still in preprint, do you (Amanuensis) have the opportunity to comment ? sometimes you can comment underneath.

Excellent analysis and explanation by the way.

ElSabio
4 years ago

Someone gets a dose of gippy tummy from a tin of chopped ham and a million cans of chopped ham are pulled from the shelves in an instant; thousands die from an untested vaccine and… ooh look! A squirrel!

MrTea
MrTea
4 years ago
Reply to  ElSabio

Bayer offer £10bn to compensate cancer victims of glyphosate yet glyphosate is still on sale all over the world and used by most farmers.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/24/business/roundup-settlement-lawsuits.html

ElSabio
4 years ago
Reply to  MrTea

Now Bayer is moving to put those troubles behind it, agreeing to pay more than $10 billion to settle tens of thousands of claims while continuing to sell the product without adding warning labels about its safety. (My bold)

It makes you wonder how much they paid the man in order to keep selling the stuff….

TSull
TSull
4 years ago
Reply to  ElSabio

They probably count many of the self-styled “elites” among their major shareholders. That alone is enough to convince “the man”.

NonCompliant
4 years ago

How hard would it be to obtain the data these people worked with to provide an independent assessment I wonder? FOIA ?

twinkytwonk
4 years ago
Reply to  NonCompliant

Email them and request the raw data. Then highlight an issue on pubpeer. If enough interest is generated then the pubpeer system is enough for a journal to revoke a paper.

I had to repeat 6 months worth of work because some Numpty reckoned my paper was fraudulent. Still got the same results!

rtaylor
4 years ago

One way is to track health insurance premiums. I hear OneAmerica has deaths increase by 40% in Indiana. A few Actuaries going over those who have survived but had to take out policies may be illuminating.

cornubian
4 years ago

The reports authors are up to their neck in SAGE, NERVTAG, JCVI, ASTRA/ZENECA and used corrupt data from NHS and PHE to come up with a deadly whitewash.
A report in the Daily Mail dated 30 December 2020 exposed how Oxford University is set to make hundreds of millions of pounds flogging the bioweapon, with some individual professors set to become millionaires.
Asking vaccine profiteers like Oxford University, and government stooges like SAGE/NERVTAG and JCVI to investigate injection injuries is like asking the police to investigate the police.
But you can bet your botton dollar that its this pseudo-academic bog roll that will be used by the captured media and corporate ‘factcheckers to downplay injection-related deaths and severe injuries.
They should all be jailed for conspiracy to commit murder/GBH.

cornubian
4 years ago
Reply to  cornubian

This….

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ElSabio
4 years ago

Hmm… funny, that, isn’t it?

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JeremyP99
4 years ago
Reply to  ElSabio

And now there are adverts saying “Children have strokes too”. Well, yes, but until recently, so rare as to be not worth counting.

lordsnooty
4 years ago
Reply to  JeremyP99

not as rare as you think Sophie Strong is worth counting: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCyJ26Pokn3-v1puK5ADyyzA

MrTea
MrTea
4 years ago

I saw a Youtube advert today.
The British Heart Foundation were asking for donations to look into young people dying of heart disease.
The advert showed a young school age girl running around playing football suddenly collapsing.

Because as we all know kids collapsing with heart disease has always been super common.

JaneDoeNL
JaneDoeNL
4 years ago
Reply to  MrTea

Snap. I saw the same ad on ITV last night. I remember thinking how strange to show a young person and why, in particular, was she playing football? Trying to make it appear normal that fit young people collapsing on a football field has been happening since forever and if there is a match where someone does not keel over clutching their chest, then you know something is wrong? Sneaky bastards.

TheyLiveAndWeLockdown
4 years ago
Reply to  JaneDoeNL

Isn’t there some film out They Something or other where the adverts are not REALLY for the product…

Whatever could the screenwriter mean?!?

TSull
TSull
4 years ago

John Carpenter’s “They Live”?

Susan
4 years ago

Does the Oxford Study…Underestimate the Risk?

Allow me to hazard a guess. Yes.

MrTea
MrTea
4 years ago

You might like to watch this 2019 WHO meeting regarding vaccine hesitancy, you will be amazed at what the WHO admits to regarding vaccines.
They actually admit that many of the ‘anti-vaxxer’ criticisms are true and that the safety testing and monitoring of vaccines is woefully poor.
They admit so much it is almost like they forgot they were being filmed.

https://www.bitchute.com/video/wOXtTS4djENX/

GlassHalfFull
4 years ago

A Hippisley-Cox paper was recently cited by The Daily Sceptic ……

Major Oxford Study into Vaccine Side-Effects Finds Myocarditis Risk in Younger Males Up to 14 Times Higher After Vaccination Than After Infection”.

https://staging.dailysceptic.org/2021/12/31/major-oxford-study-into-vaccine-side-effects-finds-myocarditis-risk-in-younger-males-up-to-14-times-higher-after-vaccination-than-after-infection/

Is that wrong as well?

cornubian
4 years ago
Reply to  GlassHalfFull

That report concluded that the risk of myocarditis from the bioweapon was bugger all, so you better damn well get the shot.

amanuensis
4 years ago
Reply to  GlassHalfFull

The first sentence of this article is a reference that that earlier article. Did you not read it?

You’re clearly too busy to have time to read the article, so I’ll summarise — as bad as that article said it was, it is probably worse.

GlassHalfFull
4 years ago
Reply to  amanuensis

Of course I read the article all the way through but I didn’t hit every link in it.

If you had done what I had done and actually added or referred to the title ““Major Oxford Study into Vaccine Side-Effects Finds Myocarditis Risk in Younger Males Up to 14 Times Higher After Vaccination Than After Infection” then there would have been no confusion.

Good article though and we are all thankful for your efforts.

MTF
MTF
4 years ago

Excellent article – clear and informative. Thanks.

I suspect that if you asked Hippisley-Cox why they chose 28 days they would say that is long enough to be confident of including the vast majority of vaccine related myocarditis events based on other research. I browsed a few papers on myocarditis and Covid-19 vaccines and they all seemed to conclude that if it happens then it happens less than a week after vaccination.

amanuensis
4 years ago
Reply to  MTF

Their words are (from their first myocarditis paper):

We defined the exposure risk intervals as the following prespecified time periods: 0, 1-7, 7-14, 15-21 and 22-28 days after each exposure date, under the assumption that the adverse events under consideration are unlikely to be related to exposure later than 28 days postexposure.

The whole point of statistical analysis is that you get to test your assumptions. Maybe they’re right — but the correct approach is to test your assumptions using a sensitivity analysis.

I find it extraordinary than in their Neurological problems paper they actually did this sensitivity analysis (it table 7b in their data supplement) and it clearly shows that for several side effects the rate is maintained beyond the 28 day period — yet they decided to ignore this crucial information and stick to 28 days anyway.

MTF
MTF
4 years ago
Reply to  amanuensis

Yes it was that paragraph which made me think there may some background to the assumption which they would think obvious but we would not.

I am really uncertain about this – you make some good points but:

  • It’s obviously good to test your assumptions but you can’t test them all. You have to decide which ones matter.
  • There may be medical or other background knowledge which is common knowledge among the expert community and makes 28 days obviously enough.
  • If they calculate the base line by including the time before vaccination as well as after that is quite a lot of time and will tend to dilute any bleeding from the post vaccine effects
  • As you say, they did test this assumption when researching neurological problems which makes me think they may have good reason not to think it worth testing the assumption in the case of myocarditis.

I would like to hear their response to your points – but I doubt we ever will.

MTF
MTF
4 years ago
Reply to  amanuensis

Overnight I had another thought about this. The other assumption that needs justifying is the two weeks prevaccination period. It seems absolutely plausible that anyone who has a myocarditis events two weeks before they are due to be vaccinated would be likely to put off the vaccination. But surely this applies more than two weeks in advance? In other words the prevaccine two weeks may “bleed” into the prior base period just as the post-vaccine four weeks may bleed into the post base period – but with the opposite effect.

John001
John001
4 years ago

Statement from John O’Looney who recently had COVID

https://tapnewswire.com/2021/12/john-olooney-talks-from-his-hospital-bed/

Somewhat shocking description of the bad atmosphere among people working in M.Keynes hospital.

I’m sorry he ever had to go near a hospital, aged only 50. He should have listened to sensible medics. like Malcolm Kendrick who agree there’s a virus but just advise how to preserve one’s own health.

Star
4 years ago
Reply to  John001

Honesty, lack of stuckup-ness, and keenness to report his experiences come across very clearly in John’s account.

Get well soon, John!

Star
4 years ago

Evening Standard:

“The requirement to self-isolate on arrival (in Britain) until receipt of a negative PCR test will also be scrapped, (Boris Johnson) told the House of Commons.”

Great news!

Mophead, Mophead, he’s our boy!

And the devolved administrations ought damned well to follow suit!

Indeed this is essentially an immigration rule (or absence of one) and should come under the Home Office.

MTF
MTF
4 years ago

The “bad” example is a preprint so we don’t know if any problems will be picked up by peer reviewers.

amanuensis
4 years ago
Reply to  MTF

They have three accepted papers on covid vaccine risk that have been accepted — all show this problem to one extent or another, ie, the reviewers didn’t pick up on it.

Victory Gin
4 years ago

A website worth sharing with as many people as possible …

They Say Its Rare

Most social media platforms are labelling peoples vaccine side effects as ‘misinformation’ so a forum has been set up for those experiencing side-effects or serious injury after the C19 jab and wanting to discuss what has happened to them since the jab.

https://www.theysayitsrare.com/forum

Steven Robinson
Steven Robinson
4 years ago

Remember, in the scientific paper the only information you would get are the data for each of the black lines; you wouldn’t be able to see any of the underlying data.

This apparent acceptance of ‘scientific’ convention really surprises me. In my field, geochemistry, you are certainly expected to made all data available (in a spreadsheet accompanying the paper).

Pfizer will not consider releasing its trial data until 2025 (Moderna: late 2022). Peter Doshi (editor of the BMJ) rightly says that claims without access to the data are not scientific claims. He has published in the BMJ on this point – Johnson, Doshi & Healy 2020, ‘Should doctors recommend treatments and vaccines when full data are not publicly available?’

Steven Robinson
Steven Robinson
4 years ago

I certainly wouldn’t like to say that the risks of post-vaccination myocarditis were definitely contained within the 28 days after each vaccine.

I would have thought there is an ample quantity of individuals who have been diagnosed with myocarditis following vaccination outside the H-C trial, who have reported the time following vaccination when the symptoms came on. Enough to get a good idea whether 28 days is ‘about right’.

BoJo The Great
BoJo The Great
4 years ago

I don’t watch soaps, honest. However, I have just caught the first two minutes of Coronation Street….it’s worth a watch. Utter propaganda in my opinion….regarding heart attacks being common and it can happen to even healthy people….nothing like sowing the seeds for the brains of the masses.
“My heart attacks must have been random, like that bloke off the telly”.
Love it.

Susan
4 years ago
Reply to  BoJo The Great

Advertisements for heart Health Care are popping up everywhere here in the States. Flyers from hospital systems come in the mail, broad graphics plaster the sides of public transport, I’m told tv is running them. They know! And they knew!

Richard Austin
Richard Austin
4 years ago

We are starting to win.

ElSabio
4 years ago
Reply to  Richard Austin

And you’ll know when we’ve won…

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Victory Gin
4 years ago

If had had the jabs after being told by the government that it was completely safe and totally effective I would be seriously pissed off at the moment knowing that there is a potential ticking time bomb inside me that could go off at any minute – whether its blood clots, sudden cardiac arrest, myocarditus or whatever – i would be completely livid that my health or even my life could be in danger due to government misinformation whether this was through incompetence or deliberate deceit.

I sincerely hope I am wrong here because every single one of my family have all had the three jabs so far with only myself and one other family member having refused all the jabs so far – but as this begins to unfolds over the next few years I think this has the potential to possibly be the greatest man made disaster ever in human history.

This is why consent is so very important before any medical procedure and vaccine jabs of any kind should be voluntary and never mandatory.

The old bat
4 years ago
Reply to  Victory Gin

I so agree with you. I was diagnosed with a heart condition in 2020. If I had then known that the ‘vaccines’ could also cause heart problems I would have had real cause for thought before being jabbed twice with Pfizer in 2021. I believed what I was told, that they were safe and would solve the covid problem for good. I feel duped and stupid, but overwhelmingly I feel angry. I am now terrified that my life has been shortened by the effing government. Actually, angry doesn’t really cover it, you know. Bastards.

LonePatriot
LonePatriot
4 years ago

Our healthcare system is about to experience a tsunami! Potential side effects of jabs include chronic inflammation, because the vaccine continuously stimulates the immune system to produce antibodies. Other concerns include the possible integration of plasmid DNA into the body’s host genome, resulting in mutations, problems with DNA replication, triggering of autoimmune responses, and activation of cancer-causing genes. Alternative COVID cures EXIST. Ivermectin is one of them. While Ivermectin is very effective curing COVID symptoms, it has also been shown to eliminate certain cancers. Do not get the poison jab. Get your Ivermectin today while you still can! https://ivmpharmacy.com

Anonymous
Anonymous
4 years ago

Sometimes the government will inadvertently let us have information it would rather keep secret.   Take a look at this grotesque advertisement the British Heart Foundation (BHF) has recently started showing. The gif below gives an indication of what it’s like.   All reasonable and educated people that support and donate to the BHF are well aware of the pain and distress which heart attacks and heart diseases cause to individuals and families. So, there’s no need for the BHF to advertise their charitable services using the distressing image of a fit young female athlete dropping dead on a sports pitch.   In fact, I’d bet my right arm that this advertisement will alienate BHF’s supporters and donors. And I’d bet my other arm that the BHF is aware that it will do exactly this. But they know that when the Establishment makes a demand, they must obey.   A lot of people pushed back against the BHF running this advertisement, here and here. Why then did the BHF run this distressing advertisement?   This is being put out there by the BHF, as a stooge of the Cabal, to normalise in people’s minds that fit and healthy young athletes… Read more »

dearieme
dearieme
4 years ago

Baffling. Surely you write your program so that it successively tries 3 weeks, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, … and when the results have steadied you know your period is long enough.

BillRiceJr
BillRiceJr
4 years ago

Thanks to the author for this article and thanks to The Daily Skeptic for publishing his thoughts on this topic. Apparently no one else will do this – which is also a giant “tell.”

Nearhorburian
Nearhorburian
4 years ago

It’s nearly 2 years since the government abandoned the established response to a pandemic on the basis of no evidence whatsoever that the replacement policy would be better at reducing pandemic deaths and without carrying out a cost-benefit analysis. It then proceeded to try to terrify everybody by pretending the disease was a couple of orders of magnitude more deadly than it actually is and told people that exercise in the sunshine and fresh air was dangerous.

Anybody with a few functional brain cells and an ounce of intellectual honesty realised at that point that this is the same sort of scam as the global warming/climate change crap.

What on earth is the point of this sort of article, other than to support the lie that this is all about well-meaning incompetents?

Anonymous
Anonymous
4 years ago
Reply to  Nearhorburian

The problem is that 30 to 35 percent of the population does not have functioning brain cells. The government gives these people a hypnotic point (COVID-19) to focus on, and they’ll focus on it for all they are worth.   Another 30 to 35 percent have working brain cells and they kick back against the lunacy.   Then there’s the other percentage. They just want to get on with life, keep their jobs and pay mortgages and go on holidays. It boils down to what percentage of this percentage wakes up and joins us lot that have working brain cells, and how many of them throw in the towel, thinking their lives will go back to normal, if they join the shower that unquestionably follows the hypnotic point.   The majority of government propaganda is aimed at these latter people. The more of these that get onside with the Cabal, the more outnumbered us resistors become. Until eventually it will be hardly noticed when we are dragged away to “quarantine” camps.   That’s why it is very important to share as much information as possible about the criminality that’s going on. A majority needs to kick-back, therefore we must stiffen… Read more »

BillRiceJr
BillRiceJr
4 years ago
Reply to  Anonymous

In other words, don’t give up. I agree. It really could take just one story or expose to make many of these brain zombies wake up and question what they have been led to believe is infallible.

I keep thinking the death of one prominent athlete on national television – conclusively linked to vaccines – might due the trick. Now a respected “News source” would have to report this (which is a giant “if”) … but if this happened, the public might conclude: These people have been lying to us all along … and then ask: what else have they been lying about? The answer, they might soon realize, is “everything.”

This said, most people don’t want to be proven to have been wrong, and will avoid any evidence that shows they might have been spectacularly wrong on such an important topic/decision.

So you’d have to hold out for the 20 to 25 percent that could still be convinced. But if “our side” is 25 percent – that would get us to a majority.

BoJo The Great
BoJo The Great
4 years ago
Reply to  BillRiceJr

There has already been a death of a famous sportsman on telly, during Euro 2020. Fortunately they managed to bring him back to life. It is not a conspiracy theory to say that footballer (who shall not be named to avoid botwarfare) had two doses of the finest “vaccine” profession sport could offer….whilst at his training camp, pre-tournament. If this were not the case, the player and all medical doctors associated to the sport would have been screaming it from the rooftops and would have raised concerns about heart attacks for footballers…instead, they waited until more heart attacks happened and then said “something’s going on??”.
It happened, on live telly, whilst I was watching and it was horrifying. That was the moment, that was the opportunity (sounds rather unsympathetic) to strike the pro-vaxers.

BillRiceJr
BillRiceJr
4 years ago

The public health experts and authorities also say that the risk of dying from COVID are much greater than the risk of dying from a vaccine complication. This is brazen balderdash. The risk a healthy child will die FROM COVID is literally 0.0001 percent (about 1 in 2 million).

This is about as close to zero percent as you can mathematically get.

In the U.S., I continually read stories including quotes saying that COVID is/was the “8th largest killer of children.” Or sometimes the “10th largest killer” of children.

I did an analysis of deaths from COVID in my state and concluded that, at the most, only three children in Alabama had died FROM COVID in a 12-month period (more likely, zero deaths).

How is three deaths in 12 months for an age cohort that includes more than 1 million children the No. 8 killer of children? What’s No. 7? Four deaths?

BillRiceJr
BillRiceJr
4 years ago
Reply to  BillRiceJr

Here’s how I came up with a 0.0001 percent mortality risk. It’s based on the findings of a comprehensive study in the UK.

I just extrapolated the number of “healthy” children who had died in 12 months (six out of approximately 12 million children).

https://uncoverdc.com/2021/07/30/for-majority-of-uk-children-covid-mortality-is-0-000/