NHS Providers Chief Tells U.K. to Brace for “Tighter Restrictions”

Chris Hopson, the Chief Executive of NHS Providers, has said that the country should prepare for “tighter restrictions”, arguing that additional Covid measures may be needed to curb the spread of the Omicron variant in order to save the NHS from being overburdened by Covid patients. The Guardian has the story.

Boris Johnson must be ready to restrict social mixing to stop hospitals being overwhelmed by an Omicron-driven surge in Covid cases, a senior NHS leader has said.

The rapid spread of the new variant means the Prime Minister may have to introduce “tighter restrictions, at real speed” to reduce the number of people falling ill with Covid.

But any new curbs would take two weeks to cut the number of people needing hospital treatment, added Chris Hopson, the Chief Executive of NHS Providers.

His comments came as a leading scientist predicted that the sharp increase in Covid infections seen in recent days means that the NHS will be overwhelmed “quite quickly”.

Professor Peter Openshaw, a member of the New and Emerging Respiratory Virus Threats Advisory Group (NERVTAG), warned exposure to only “a whiff of infected breath” could lead to catching the Omicron variant.

He also said that mingling during New Year celebrations may well lead to a further increase in those testing positive.

Hopson said that hospital chiefs understood that the Government had set “a high threshold” for how much pressure the NHS would need to be under from Covid before it would tighten the rules.

“Trust leaders can see why the Government is arguing that, in the absence of a surge of a large number of seriously ill older people coming into hospital, that threshold has not yet been crossed,” Hopson told BBC Radio 4’s Today programme.

“But we still don’t know if that surge will come. Indeed, the NHS is preparing for it right now,” he added. Eight hospitals in England have begun creating their own “mini-Nightingale” on site to help care for patients at “super-surge” capacity.

Hopson added: “We are therefore in the same place we have been in for the last fortnight. The Government needs to be ready to introduce tighter restrictions, at real speed, should they be needed.”

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amanuensis
4 years ago

The NHS has been ‘overwhelmed’ every winter for as long as I can remember. The only difference this year is that they’re blaming Covid instead of influenza or it being a bit cold.

rtaylor
4 years ago
Reply to  amanuensis

Hopkin said the same thing to Marr on the BBC in 2016.

9 years at Granada (ITV), 6 years at HMRC, 2 years at Dept. of Education and 9 years at Chief Exec. of NHS Providers. Can you get any more deep state civil servant than that?

cornubian
4 years ago
Reply to  rtaylor

Its all planned as usual. They are all working themselves up to lock us up knowing full well that this week always has the highest mortality of the year. They will then claim, once again, that they saved us and the stupid public are too immersed in football, Corrie and Auld Lang Syne to understand what is going on – thats if they even really care.

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beancounter
beancounter
4 years ago
Reply to  rtaylor

You left off the 4 years at the SDP, apparently becoming Party Chief Executive.
6 years at HMRC – have any of you ever tried to get hold of anyone with a brain at HMRC since they were merged from the Inland Revenue and HM Customs? Absolutely useless; as Nickbowes mentioned these types are just parasites, producing nothing of value and then being promoted upwards as a consequence of the ineptitude.

huxleypiggles
4 years ago
Reply to  beancounter

Public Service always works on promoting the most useless. Good staff are put upon and thwarted all the time.

Hopeless
4 years ago
Reply to  beancounter

A nice earner was running the Post Office. All the opportunities for wrongful persecution and prosecutions, and a gong at the finish.

John001
John001
4 years ago
Reply to  Hopeless

See the blog ‘HMRC is Shite’ by Ken Frost (chartered accountant). The title is absolutely accurate.

Running a business, I had to deal with the bastards. People on PAYE don’t know how lucky they are.

beancounter
beancounter
4 years ago
Reply to  John001

As a fellow chartered accountant, working in industry for 40 years, I know exactly how Ken feels, and yourself.

J4mes
4 years ago
Reply to  John001

There’s a reason they don’t teach taxes in schools… Yet the system entirely depends on the individual to pay their taxes correctly – and don’t go thinking people on PAYE are lucky. It totally depends on their financial circumstances.

DevonBlueBoy
DevonBlueBoy
4 years ago
Reply to  beancounter

And all the while filling their pockets courtesy of taxpayers in the productive, wealth producing part of the economy

Adamb
4 years ago
Reply to  amanuensis

Yes, and a definition of ‘overwhelmed’ would also be helpful, given how frequently the word is bandied about.

cornubian
4 years ago
Reply to  Adamb

The definition of ‘overwhelmed’ is spending thirty years slowly cutting the bed capacity in half while the population grew by ten million.

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SimCS
4 years ago
Reply to  cornubian

I guess the key question is: has there been an aggregate improvement or deterioration in overall health across the population, and what changes in treatments requiring beds or not & length of stay have there been to determine the change in the number of beds needed?

BS665
BS665
4 years ago
Reply to  Adamb

Demanding private healthcare-style conditions and having militant unions to hold us to ransom are luxuries – they refuse to accept ‘not ideal’ Ts&Cs as standard tandoori, which most normal humans have to.

Overwhelmed is canting hypocrisy for normality.

SimCS
4 years ago
Reply to  amanuensis

Yep!

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happychappy
4 years ago
Reply to  amanuensis

With the massive booster campaign underway, I wonder how many of those being hospitalised with ‘Omicron are, in fact, presenting with adverse reactions to the jab.

Beowulf
Beowulf
4 years ago

“The Government needs to be ready to introduce tighter restrictions, at real speed, should they be needed.”

They won’t be, they never were.

cornubian
4 years ago
Reply to  Beowulf

Yes they will – just take a look at the range of symptoms……

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Annie
4 years ago
Reply to  cornubian

I’m proper terrified now! I’ve got all that, plus everything except housemaid’s knee.

refusenick
4 years ago
Reply to  Annie

That’s one benefit of vacuuming while hanging upside down

cornubian
4 years ago
Reply to  Annie

Dandruff and hairy ears also been added to list now.

huxleypiggles
4 years ago
Reply to  Annie

I’ve got housemaid knee, does that help?😀

Rowan
Rowan
4 years ago
Reply to  huxleypiggles

Yes it will help, but you will have to share a bed with Annie.

Dermot McClatchey
4 years ago
Reply to  Rowan

Well; I can handle that. And Annie says so can she.

Paul B
4 years ago

Half their staff are on a jolly ffs!

nickbowes
nickbowes
4 years ago

When these often useless nhs parasites forego their huge salaries with every day of restrictions maybe the people would listen, but that ship has sailed now thank God.

Spritof_GFawkes
4 years ago

Who the hell is Chris Hopson, Chief Executive of NHS Providers? Who voted for him and why should I value his opinion?

rtaylor
4 years ago
Reply to  rtaylor

And the 666 in the url is apt.

J4mes
4 years ago
Reply to  rtaylor

The masons and other occultists favourite, 333, is there too. Probably just a coincidence.

BorisPants
4 years ago
Reply to  rtaylor

I hear that if you hang upside down it even says 999 ! Apparently something happens if you dial this into you phone.

BorisPants
4 years ago
Reply to  rtaylor

So they’re a lobby group. What many people don’t seem to know that since 2017 people can no longer check who their donors are (ie, which pharma companies, etc). Something that needs to be bought back – Charities will not have to name donors, says SORP Committee (civilsociety.co.uk)

BS665
BS665
4 years ago

He’s an APE (Apparatchik Parasite Executive), 3rd class. Iron Kross, but only with bronze syringes as an honour clasp.

BS665
BS665
4 years ago

NERVTAG? Whiff of breath, eh? So we’re still at garlic and crucifix mentality stage are we?

Johnson is not in charge. He has created a Bullshit Behemoth, and is now incapable of wiping his own ass without guidance from SS Dentists.

Turning point, Toby? Either the people overthrow this Kraken State, or they accept being gang-raped for eternity.

MizakeTheMizan
4 years ago

Remember, we’re here for the benefit of the NHS (pbuh).

DanClarke
DanClarke
4 years ago

Once again, a health service with a country attached, they are not fit for purpose

rayc
rayc
4 years ago

One detail which has escaped me throughout the entire pandemic is why cannot people who are worried about falling ill from Covid just restrict themselves? Why do they need the government to give them an order to restrict themselves? And why is seemingly nobody asking such questions?

DanClarke
DanClarke
4 years ago
Reply to  rayc

Said it since the beginning, its pathetic. But still dont think they would trash the economy for a few people who think they are vulnerable.

huxleypiggles
4 years ago
Reply to  DanClarke

“trash the economy”

Agenda 2030 – “Build Back Better.”

Of course the economy will be trashed.

Rowan
Rowan
4 years ago
Reply to  huxleypiggles

And of course the elephant in the room, depopulation.

CrouplessCoup
CrouplessCoup
4 years ago
Reply to  Rowan
https://www.bitchute.com/video/Wv1bSsPiIcps/

"Dr. Sucharit Bhakdi - Organs Of Dead Vaccinated Proves Auto Immune Attack!"

Small sample but a succinct but apocalyptic vision.

brachiopod
4 years ago
Reply to  rayc

And, by now you would have thought that those ‘at risk’ might have been advised as to what symptoms to look out for so that they could call the medical authorities who would send round a team of trained medics to give out preventive medicines and a blood oximeter and instructions on what to do.
But we aren’t Uttar Pradesh, more is the pity.

JaneDoeNL
JaneDoeNL
4 years ago
Reply to  rayc

Because these people do not want to be restricted, they want to do everything that they normally do, they just want to feel ‘safe’ doing it – they believe everyone else should be restricted. The government did a bang-up job turning people against each other with the ‘you wear masks to protect others’, ‘assume everyone around you is infected’, ‘don’t be selfish and fall ill and make use of a universal health care service to which you are forced to contribute, as it is not there to treat just anybody, only those deemed worthy’. The number of times I heard people go into a city centre, or the woods for a walk, to the beach on a nice day and complain about the number of people there, did they not know to avoid crowded places, etc. They were perfectly happy to go there themselves, it was other people who were being selfish and not staying home. A friend told me her boss was discussing the possible introduction of 2g at work and asking how people felt. One woman said she was immunocompromised and couldn’t risk catching the lurgy, so she would feel safer if the unvaxxed stayed home. Huh? She’s… Read more »

refusenick
4 years ago
Reply to  JaneDoeNL

I live in a high-rise with a Club Level. I could see exactly how this shitshow was going to go when the old farts who manage the building immediately closed that level to everyone ‘to protect the vulnerable.’ “Why don’t the vulnerable just not use it?” I naively asked.

JaneDoeNL
JaneDoeNL
4 years ago
Reply to  refusenick

In March 2020 Spain went into a ridiculously strict lockdown for 3 months, people were not allowed out to even have a walk, if you took your dog out you could only go 150 metres from your home (they checked your address).

I remember reading in some Spanish paper that children in apartment buildings had been playing in either the inner courtyard (most Spanish city blocks have these) or on the terrace roof of an apartment building – and some tossers in the buildings called the police! Just because a couple of kids were getting fresh air, sunshine and stretching their legs. How selfish can you get.

refusenick
4 years ago
Reply to  JaneDoeNL

Selfish is bad enough, but selfish dressed up as sanctimonious self-righteousness is disgusting

mishmash
4 years ago
Reply to  JaneDoeNL

Lunacy 21 months ago, normalcy today.
We are being slowly boiled alive.

CovidiousAlbion
4 years ago
Reply to  JaneDoeNL

We can pack up and leave them to it, taking our share of this country with us.

https://ourdecisiontoo.com/Issue/there-s-nothing-left-to-do-but-go-our-separate-ways/320/

JustMe
JustMe
4 years ago

I do feel that its a great shame that none of these incompetents get fired. I could put up a list of reasons as to why they should be, but I can’t be bothered. Happy New Year to you all, and thank you for being here.

Sceptical Steve
Sceptical Steve
4 years ago
Reply to  JustMe

It’s far worse than that. They won’t get fired and there’s every likelihood that we’ll see their names included in the Queen’s New Years Honours list in the morning. After all, they’re only doing what the government has asked…

fractaltrader
fractaltrader
4 years ago

Omicron? It’s the common cold!

Fingerache Philip
Fingerache Philip
4 years ago
Reply to  fractaltrader

Not even that bad.

Laicey
Laicey
4 years ago

Just fuck off. I’m not giving up my mental health for you Mr NHS.

APC
APC
4 years ago
Reply to  cloud6

Oh FFS!!!! The article says they have both pathogens present – just like if were tested for every known pathogen I’d be carrying loads of them. Our bodies are reservoirs of the stuff all the time. This bat shit crazy approach to illness just shows how dumb most scientists, politicians and journo’s are. I’m going to leave Fraser Nelson out of it for now because at least he’s caught the even dumber Sage members off guard.

TheBluePill
4 years ago
Reply to  cloud6

Influenza and Rhinovirus both suppress coronavirus.

Even the BBC owned up to it: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-56483445

Hawkins_94
Hawkins_94
4 years ago

Absolutely desperate stuff. The DS is great but the recent piece on Bo Jo being pro liberty that came out a few days ago is naive at best. Fasten your seatbelts folks.

BS665
BS665
4 years ago
Reply to  Hawkins_94

Agreed. Toby jumped the gun (for a race that may only start in a few years). Bless him, we all get it wrong from time to time. And we will all be wrong in some ways for some time yet.

Star
4 years ago

It’s all lies. 1. Nobody who hasn’t got double pneumonia has got “Covid”. Saying you’re seriously ill when you’re not is a disgusting way to behave, as almost everybody used to agree, even only a few years ago. Thinking you may be seriously ill when the probability that you are is extremely small, and when there’s no good reason to think that you may be, is a mental problem. Those who think in that way deserve some sympathy, just as those who don’t know whether they’re male or female deserve some sympathy. But I’m f*cked if I’m going to take their illusions as reality. They do NOT have the right to expect the rest of us to do that. 2. Funny how the false positive rate is being kept quiet. There is no excuse for this. Tests are only licenced once false positive and false negative rates have been appraised. Test yourself enough times with a test that has even a 10% false positive rate and you will soon get a positive result even if you’re actually completely negative. Then you can hide indoors and get your family to pass food to you through your letter box, and by 5pm… Read more »

BS665
BS665
4 years ago
Reply to  Star

Star, you always have a lot of excellent detail. It’s but sand in the faces of covidian elephants.

I fear nothing rational can ever penetrate their tough, brainwashed, hides.

TheBluePill
4 years ago
Reply to  Star

From what I can see. The false positive rate for the LFT test is pretty low. It would actually be a good test for symptomatic people if SARS-CoV-2 was of high consequence, which it isn’t.

The PCR is another matter. I think it is hard to put a figure on the false positive rate because it is proportional to how busy the labs are, and also explodes as the number actual positive samples reach a critical mass in the labs (since the test is so sensitive and the labs so sloppy that a few genuine positive samples cause massive cross-contamination).

StoppingtoThink
StoppingtoThink
4 years ago

A couple of questions… where is the evidence that restrictions actually work, and what has the government been doing since last year to help the NHS be more capable (not just throwing money at it).

From what I read about lockdowns they do sod all to affect the path of the virus.

JaneDoeNL
JaneDoeNL
4 years ago

But the restrictions are excellent for destroying SME, demoralising the entire population, causing division and allowing so-called democratic governments to grab unprecedented powers based on what any fool could see are outright lies and utter nonsense – at least, the fools would see it if they hadn’t decided to tuck their brains up their backsides 2 years ago and to sit on them keeping them warm ever since.

huxleypiggles
4 years ago
Reply to  JaneDoeNL

Spot on.

CovidiousAlbion
4 years ago
Reply to  JaneDoeNL

The principal goal was getting people to accept the injections, either for reasons we’ll quite soon discover, or – and, in this case, they made a phenomenally bad choice of injectile – as the enabler for digital Id.

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DanClarke
DanClarke
4 years ago

Covid and its variants is a mental health condition

BS665
BS665
4 years ago
Reply to  DanClarke

Exactly. And there is no cure for many sufferers.

Jabby Mcstiff
Jabby Mcstiff
4 years ago

A couple of years before this started the Australian aborigines said that a change was coming and it would start with a run on toilet paper in the supermarkets. There would be a parting of the ways whereby one group of people would be transported to a really boring dull planet and the others would ascend to something higher. This will become more apparent I believe in the coming months.

CGL
CGL
4 years ago
Reply to  Jabby Mcstiff

Can we go there now please?

Jabby Mcstiff
Jabby Mcstiff
4 years ago
Reply to  CGL

The struggle is part of the ascension. We are as yet just beginning to perceive the shortcomings of our civilisation. The Chinese curse – may you live through interesting times – you have to grasp this with both hands and taste the whip. Our happy new planet will be nothing if it lacks intensity.

Anonymous
Anonymous
4 years ago
Reply to  CGL

Yes please: I’ve been trying all the wardrobes I can for two years now, but still no Narnia…

CovidiousAlbion
4 years ago
Reply to  CGL
OliveTrees
4 years ago
Reply to  Jabby Mcstiff

Ironically the parting of the ways turned out to be a covid camp.

Will O
Will O
4 years ago

Aaahhhh, we’re back to that dreaded “mingling” again.

Carrie Symonds
4 years ago

I’ve been modelling. Am I missing something but say 180,000 detected cases and say 10 x undetected – say 2m overall active cases – isn’t the NHS just pissing in the wind pretending that further measures can halt the spread of the deadly virus? Once we’ve all had the deadly virus and live happily ever after with heard immunity whatever are the ‘expurts’ going to say.

JaneDoeNL
JaneDoeNL
4 years ago
Reply to  Carrie Symonds

I remember so specifically in Feb/March 2020 Johnson, Merkel, Dutch PM Rutte saying quite clearly and unequivocally that the virus was all over the world and had spread in almost all countries and that everyone would eventually get it, the possibility of containment was no longer an option.

The initial restrictions were to ‘flatten the curve’ nothing more. Fortunately for them most people have the memories of goldfish and believe them when they now say they can ‘control / beat’ the virus, even as every expert going says it’s here to stay.

String
4 years ago
Reply to  JaneDoeNL

Yes, I remember that too. The vaccine makers also have claimed in interviews that the vaccines were developed in Jan 2020… yet throughout Feb 2020 the WHO were still attacking those who called for border controls, saying these would promote stigma and mean comments.

eon
eon
4 years ago

Scare the older generation who read the Guardian, so they repeat it to their children and guilt them into compliance, and so on down the generations.

It’s a really effective UK tactic thus far.

Sadly the children in professions which require you to be data literate, which there are many now, are able to see through it just by looking at the data. Ask my parents what a 95th percentile is and they wouldn’t have a clue.

This might give an indication of the direction we’re heading in the next few years:

Netherlands Announces Plan To Give People Up to Six Doses of COVID Vaccine

Annie
4 years ago

Omnicon isn’t the reason for tighter fascism. It’s the excuse.
Tell ’em to take a running jump.

Fingerache Philip
Fingerache Philip
4 years ago

WHY????????

huxleypiggles
4 years ago
CovidiousAlbion
4 years ago
Reply to  huxleypiggles

If we stay amongst the believers, I doubt we’ve very long before they’ll start forcibly “vaccinating” us, for their protection. We need to agree a civilised separation, before their boosted mortality rate instils sufficient fear to deprive them of their last vestiges of rationality.

Toby’s calming words, about the heroic, libertarian, Johnson, are not going to save us.

https://ourdecisiontoo.com/Issue/there-s-nothing-left-to-do-but-go-our-separate-ways/320/

Jabby Mcstiff
Jabby Mcstiff
4 years ago

Flailing about astonished that so many still hang on their every word. The reason that people do so is because it is easy. We are moving into a time where ideas like ease, luxury, a few relaxed years of retirement – these will be utterly laughable. You either learn now or get a very short sharp shock later on.

David101
4 years ago

If this was once a “politician’s logic”, I think we can now call this “clown logic”. If NHS trust hospitals are starting to feel any kind of strain, it’s because of the backlog of patients waiting for deferred treatment, undiagnosed conditions that have only got worse because of a lack of face-to-face GP appointments, staff shortages owing to an absurdly long isolation period for test-positives, unnecessarily high volumes of admin, too many managers and not enough doctors. Oh yes, and there’s the small matter of virtually nothing having been done during the easier summer period to prepare for the predictable winter surge!
IT IS NOT OMICRON (or Delta) that is potentially going to overwhelm the hospitals, especially since the number of hospitalizations due to Covid is grossly overestimated.

It just works as a convenient scapegoat for the NHS if it does fail, and once again an excuse for tighter restrictions.

Anonymous
Anonymous
4 years ago
Reply to  David101

Don’t make the mistake of describing this as “clown logic”.

This isn’t stupidity that’s happening. What’s happening is full-blown and very well-planned tyranny with a well published genocidal bent.

Ask the people in Australia who are at this moment confined in camps for close contact – non-COVID-19 infected. It wasn’t clowns that put them there. It was very intelligent psychopaths. 

CovidiousAlbion
4 years ago
Reply to  Anonymous

Break from the psychopaths and the believers, before it’s too late.

https://ourdecisiontoo.com/Issue/there-s-nothing-left-to-do-but-go-our-separate-ways/320/

Anonymous
Anonymous
4 years ago

“In the United States, the New York Senate is preparing to vote on a bill that would allow the forcible removal of Covid-positive individuals who are potentially dangerous to the public health.”

“New York lawmakers appear to now be pushing for quarantine camps for individuals who test positive for Covid-19.”

What’s described in both quotes have already happened in Australia. Oz has shown the US that throwing close contact people (non-COVID-19 infected) into camps will be accepted by the masses.

Just sit back and watch them do the same in US states. And, apart from objections in the alt-media, they’ll do it unopposed.

This tyranny is global. Anyone that thinks that this could never happen in the UK are very wrong. 

CovidiousAlbion
4 years ago
Reply to  Anonymous

The Coronavirus Act 2020 already enabled this here. It hasn’t been used yet, because the masses hadn’t quite been “nudged” to welcome the implementation, but, when they start dropping like flies, because of their boosters, that box will soon be ticked.

We won’t have the time to awaken enough of them. Those of us, who know what’s happening, must instigate a hard Covexit, immediately.

https://ourdecisiontoo.com/Issue/there-s-nothing-left-to-do-but-go-our-separate-ways/320/

stewart
4 years ago

The NHS needs to be dismantled and public healthcare reorganised.

It has become an all consuming behemoth that now expects the country to serve it, rather than it serve the country.

It happens with all bureaucracies to some extent, but the NHS is the mother of all bureaucracies – one of the 5 biggest employers in the entire world. It needs to go so that we can be taken out of our misery.

Johnny B Ad
4 years ago

Whilst everybody has been distracted by the scamdemic and the latest scariant, along with all the associated nonsense that sums up this self inflicted disaster, certain things have been going somewhat unnoticed by most…

The sale of petrol cars banned in 8 years time… from next year, new cars to be sold with speed controllers and covered in surveillance devices, and ultimately able to report where people go and how they drove (the way to extract tax from travel that does not involve purchasing petrol, and easily extract fines for misbehaviour), and a government minister recently having the nerve to talk about the need to move away from private vehicles.

One of the last bastions of freedom we still have and really brings the prospect of total, centralised control. All under a tory government. We are governed by pseudo religious nutters who believe there are too many people, that the end is nigh, and that white people, especially males, are vermin. And this is only the tip of the iceberg.

Ask yourself this: in history, what sort of action was required to deal with such scum?

CovidiousAlbion
4 years ago
Reply to  Johnny B Ad

There are two answers.

Either a sufficient majority recognises what’s going on, and robustly rejects it, or those, who do, separate. Both have historical precedence. However, we’ve been working to achieve the first, for almost two years, and still cannot be confident of succeeding in time. The second, accordingly, is now crying out for our attention.

https://ourdecisiontoo.com/Issue/there-s-nothing-left-to-do-but-go-our-separate-ways/320/

We cannot insure success, but we can deserve it.” – John Adams

HelzBelz
4 years ago

Random musings from my sick bed. What do we think of the assertion that is now being touted that ‘you don’t have a right to infect other people – therefore you must get tested before meeting up’?

It concerns me greatly that what used to be an accepted risk of being part of human society is no longer accepted or acceptable. Insisting on healthy people testing themselves before joining a night out smacks to me of mental illness.
Didn’t it used to be called Munchausen’s syndrome?

Being actually ill this week has meant that I have swerved one of these gatherings of the mentally infirm this evening!

stewart
4 years ago
Reply to  HelzBelz

That is one of many principles that have been flipped in the last 2 years.

Before, you used to be healthy unless it was demonstrated otherwise. Now you are sick unless you demonstrate otherwise.

Before, masks had no utility as a public health measure. Now, they are vital to containing the spread of disease.

Before, you chose if you had a medical treatment, Now, you can be forced and if not discriminated for not submitting to a medical treatment.

Before, you didn’t need to prove to anyone whether you were healthy or sick, it was your business. Now, you may be asked to prove you are healthy.

Before, even if you were sick you could carry on with your life if you so chose. Now, if you are sick the government can force you into house arrest.

These changes are essentially a shift from a free society to a totalitarian one. And it literally happened overnight, on 19th March 2020 when Johnson put the entire population under house arrest. From that moment onwards, anything they wanted to do with us was going to be accepted. And here we are.

CovidiousAlbion
4 years ago
Reply to  stewart

SPI-B has been steadily “nudging” a majority into the “new normal”.

As a (significant) minority, those of us, who still retain the previously common ideals of liberty, need to separate from the new majority, before this becomes any harder.

https://ourdecisiontoo.com/Issue/there-s-nothing-left-to-do-but-go-our-separate-ways/320/

refusenick
4 years ago
Reply to  HelzBelz

 ‘you don’t have a right to infect other people – therefore you must get tested before meeting up’?
it’s related to the evolution of so-called ‘hate-speech laws’ isn’t it?
All my life, it’s been a generally-accepted part of normal society to frown on people being offensive (or hateful) for the sake of it. The same for people who are knowingly contagious doing things that will likely infect others.
but for the crypto-fascists this was/is not enough. Moral opprobrium therefor makes way to having the state crush behavior it deems improper, and there is no good way for that to end.

String
4 years ago
Reply to  HelzBelz

What do we think of the assertion that is now being touted that ‘you don’t have a right to infect other people – therefore you must get tested before meeting up’?”

I have heard this recently from an acquaintance – I said if that was his logic, he best never, ever ever go near another human being again, after all, he might be killing somebody with asymptomatic tuberculosis, or asymptomatic norovirus.

I also pointed out – so on the one hand, we’re supposed to believe that ‘ICU’s are filling with covid patients… NHS on the verge of being overwhelmed… tsunami of unvaccinated covid patients fighting for their lives…’ while on the other hand, we’re also simultaneously supposed to believe that covid is so silent and nondescript that you won’t have the slightest idea you are on the verge of death with it, & therefore have to take a test every time you go more than 15 paces. well, which is it?

RW
RW
4 years ago
Reply to  String

That’s one of the very strange features of the illness called COVID-19: It’s the first illness on this planet which is extremely dangerous to everyone except those who get it.

huxleypiggles
4 years ago
Reply to  RW

Brilliant.

RW
RW
4 years ago
Reply to  HelzBelz

Like everything-corona, it’s inherently bullshit. People don’t infect people, viruses infect people and there’s nothing people can do about that. Their bodies become infected without their consent or knowledge. And viruses replicating in their bodies might infect others without them having any power to control it.

Someone who tests negative now could test positive the next second. There are no security guarantees associated with past test results. The only guaranteed effect is that a positive test result will contribute to driving the pandemic machinery.

Jabby Mcstiff
Jabby Mcstiff
4 years ago

Why is there never any consideration of anomalous data. For example some remote Antactic research station has an outbreak despite no contact with the outside world. Why were the initial major outbreaks in China and Italy and Iran on similar latitudes. The very fact that these things are occluded tells you that scientists really ought to study the philosophy of science as a prerequisite. In Norway a philosophy component forms part of the foundation of a degree course.