No, the NHS is Not Being Overwhelmed by the Unvaccinated

The amount of misinformation being put out by Government ministers and senior medics about the proportion of unvaccinated people in hospital with Covid is reaching a new level that is beginning to feel disturbingly sinister.

When lockdown sceptics are joining in with the condemnation, you know the problem has ratcheted up a notch or three.

The normally reliable Philip Johnston in the Telegraph points the finger at the unvaccinated for threatening the capacity of the health service, citing a number of misleading claims.

The panacea, we are told, is to get boosted. Yet by definition the refuseniks will not get a third jab when they have not been vaccinated in the first place. I understand if someone does not want to get jabbed. It is their body and they are entitled to say they do not want to be medicated. We cannot force them to. But if the consequence of that decision is to place others at risk then it cannot be allowed to pass by default. We all understand, too, that some people for a variety of medical reasons cannot have the vaccine.

In order to persuade a greater take-up of jabs, the Government wanted to bring in vaccine passports for certain settings but watered these down to include proof of a negative test, which rather defeats the object. Scores of Tory MPs voted against even this on the grounds that such a measure was illiberal.

But the Conservative Party has never been a libertarian movement. It is supposed to believe that with rights come responsibilities. Opponents of heavy-handed state action against the citizen often quote J S Mill’s famous dictum: “The only purpose for which power can rightfully be exercised over any member of a civilised society, against his will, is to prevent harm to others.” I agree with that. I don’t see why I should have restrictions placed on me when I am unlikely to cause harm to others.

But that is not necessarily true of the unvaccinated. According to Sajid Javid, the Health Secretary, nine in 10 Covid patients needing the most care are unjabbed. A similar point was made by Sadiq Khan, the London mayor, who said the “vast, vast majority” of seriously ill people were unjabbed, identifying “black Londoners, Muslim Londoners, Jewish Londoners and eastern European Londoners” as groups that are proving particularly resistant. Why is this?

In the absence of comprehensive official data, we are having to rely on anecdotal evidence, but I know several hospital consultants who tell of seriously ill patients being transferred to critical care units who are still unvaccinated, taking up emergency beds needed for other patients.

One told me that so far he had not seen anyone in intensive care who had been jabbed, suggesting that even if vaccinated people are getting sick, they’re not getting as sick. This should be good news, even with the onset of Omicron, and yet here we are again facing a lockdown to preserve the NHS from collapse.

The claims Johnston repeats here are, at best, highly misleading. Take Sajid Javid’s line that “nine in 10 Covid patients needing the most care are unjabbed”. This stat has been repeated often by the haters-of-the-unvaccinated in recent days, but their source is rarely stated. It appears to refer to the claim made by NHS England at the start of December that, as the Times reports, “between July and November more than nine in 10 patients receiving the most specialist care, in which artificial lungs were used to try to save their lives, were unvaccinated”.

That raw statistic may be true (it is not in the public domain), but any implication that it means the unvaccinated are adding considerable pressure to health service resources doesn’t withstand scrutiny since the numbers involved here are miniscule. As Dr Clare Craig points out, over recent weeks there have only been one or two new Covid admissions being put onto an ‘artificial lung’ ECMO machine each week.

What about Sadiq Khan’s claim that the “vast, vast majority” of seriously ill people are unjabbed? It is, once again, asserted without providing a source, and in this case it appears to be flatly contradicted by the published data.

According to the latest data published by the UKHSA, a minority of Covid hospital admissions in the month ending December 12th – 42.9% – were unvaccinated. According to the latest data from ICNARC, a minority of Covid ICU admissions in October – 46.7% – and a minority in the two-week period November 1st to 14th – 47.5% – were unvaccinated. ICNARC has not published any more recent data than that on the ratio of unvaccinated to vaccinated Covid patients in ICU. If it has changed dramatically since then, that data is not in the public domain.

A Telegraph editorial on Monday drew on the same set of myths and even followed it up with an implied threat.

We were assured that if we were vaccinated – and most of us answered the call – the Government would pursue a different policy, of learning to live with Covid. The main reason that this is being abandoned is not because the new strain is especially dangerous to most people but because hospitals risk being overwhelmed, mainly by people who have refused the jab. What is to be done about them?

Et tu, Telegraph?

In January, the Parliamentary Assembly of the Council of Europe (the organisation which includes the European Court of Human Rights), adopted a resolution urging member states and the European Union to ensure that “citizens are informed that the vaccination is not mandatory and that no one is under political, social or other pressure to be vaccinated if they do not wish to do so” and that “no one is discriminated against for not having been vaccinated, due to possible health risks or not wanting to be vaccinated”.

There are many reasons a person may choose not to be vaccinated, particularly if he or she is young, healthy, or has had Covid already, and is wary of the novel genetic technology and unusually high level of reported adverse events. This should be respected, without prejudice or discrimination. There should be no question of penalising him or her, anymore than, say, smokers, drinkers or motorcyclists should be penalised for making what is deemed by health authorities to be a higher risk choice.

Previously the haters-of-the-unvaccinated focused on infection rates and the claim that the unvaccinated spread the disease far more than the vaccinated. Once that claim collapsed they switched to hospital admissions. When the data there is lacking, they either make stuff up, use data from six months ago, or find obscure statistics involving tiny numbers of people to find something, anything, that sounds sufficiently scary to demonise the unvaccinated.

Apart from anything else, whatever happened to simply being a decent human being?

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Anti_socialist
4 years ago

I don’t like the sound of this.

Army to announce it has developed a single vaccine that protects from ALL variants of COVID and SARS

  • Walter Reed Army Institute of Research is set to announce the development of a vaccine that is effective against all COVID and SARS variants 
  • The Spike Ferritin Nanoparticle COVID-19 vaccine (SpFN) has so far been proven to protect against all existing and potential variants of the viruses 
BS665
BS665
4 years ago
Reply to  Anti_socialist

But it won’t work, as usual. Just adding bundles of sticks to their own pyre. And what a barbecue they will endure!

bOrgkilLaH1of7
4 years ago
Reply to  BS665

Indeed BS665

The paid for nudge unit psyop misinformation campaign demonizing the unvaxxed is being ramped-up, as is the Omnichronic bollox.

You see you simply cannot have 30% of the UK population running around willy-nilly as a non-jabbed control group. This is a BIG problem for the GPPP agenda, hence the hysterics for crushing us down into compliance.

The NHS has been in “crisis” every winter for fuck knows how long….

What’s new?

Ignore the fear porn… hold the line.

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J4mes
4 years ago
Reply to  bOrgkilLaH1of7

I think most of us here have no problem ignoring the fear porn, but I wish that were true of the rest of the population.

But rather than ignoring it, I believe we need to expose it and counter it. If we collectively raise complaints with the regulators in large enough numbers, they’ll be forced to take action one way or the other.

We know they’re breaking the journalistic code with their discrimination and hate speech. The regulators know they’re breaking the code. Let’s see how they respond.

neilhartley
neilhartley
4 years ago
Reply to  MickW

Anyone looking for a little hope should read these – particularly the Epoch Times one which is directly targeted at the whole Covid fraud.

twinkytwonk
4 years ago
Reply to  Anti_socialist

Of course it has. Ring me back when you’ve got a permanent cure for the common cold

ian j
ian j
4 years ago
Reply to  twinkytwonk

Wasn’t Porton down called ‘The Common cold research centre’back in the ’60’s when it had to advertise for volunteers to take experimental jabs?

TheyLiveAndWeLockdown
4 years ago
Reply to  ian j

https://www.google.co.uk/maps/place/Henley+Business+park,+Pirbright+Rd,+Normandy,+Guildford+GU3+2DX/

is where the PCR tests go.

go north east and find the Pirbright institute (which caused the foot and mouth outbreak) “conveniently” close by.

Lucan Grey
4 years ago
Reply to  Anti_socialist

Sounds promising to me, but let’s wait until the actual medical trials have completed and we have hard data from multiple double-blinded experiments with sufficient depth to provide a solid conclusion.

Something that has been sorely lacking in this whole sorry tale thus far.

Anti_socialist
4 years ago
Reply to  Lucan Grey

You can fill your veins with nano particles if you like, but count me out!

Lucan Grey
4 years ago
Reply to  Anti_socialist

Well that sort of depends whether you believe in the scientific method or not.

Personally I’m very much for the scientific method and against all forms of woo and medieval fear mongering – including the marketing and PR type that has created The Science(TM).

Anti_socialist
4 years ago
Reply to  Lucan Grey

Let me clarify something for you. I believe in nature. True science is the study (observation) of the natural world. Your “scientific vaccine method“, a.k.a. applied science, is a subjective emotive human abomination of nature.

Lucan Grey
4 years ago
Reply to  Anti_socialist

Well that’s up to you. Personally I look around me and see that the modern world is a result of human ingenuity and the application of the scientific method, not bowing before nature.

And I’d much rather live in a modern world thank you. Medieval living conditions are not much fun.

Paul B
4 years ago
Reply to  Lucan Grey

Modern ingenuity has given us microplastics in our water and foods that we cannot avoid, the food pyramid (and associated diabetic time bomb), genetically modified seeds that are 1 time use and now they are starting to think it’s a good idea to modify the weather and people’s immune systems…

When one of these trial drugs creates something that becomes contagious, or China block out the sun we are all f’ed.

Anti_socialist
4 years ago
Reply to  Lucan Grey

Medieval living conditions are not much fun.

That’s the thing about scientism worshippers, they always show themselves up with an emotional agenda. I presume you’re not a survivor of the medieval period, so what data set is forming your opinion on that era?

Archaeology? LOL.

zners
zners
4 years ago
Reply to  Lucan Grey

THis is true, but most of that ingenuity was accomplished in the early to mid 20th centuries. From the 90s to now I can comfortably say that humans have accomplished very little asides creating tools to amplify their vanity. Think about what the European Union has achieved since it’s founding for example? Nothing but excuses to push for political change to socialism away from Classic Liberalism, which through competition created amazing things in the 19th century. And in terms of health, we’ve accomplished amazing things in surgery and medication as it involves the mix of both art and science. The best doctors and physicians never go by the book.
But debate has never been allowed with vaccines, hence vaccines have seen zero progress. MRNA technology may be the breakthrough that was very much needed, but clearly it hasn’t been tested thoroughly, and clearly it’s benefits to the public is NOT the primary reason why it is being pushed.

RedhotScot
4 years ago
Reply to  Lucan Grey

Does that include a Gain of Function engineered bio weapon?

Does it also include drugs that dispense with the scientific method altogether?

Mark
4 years ago
Reply to  Lucan Grey

Well that sort of depends whether you believe in the scientific method or not.

Not really. It depends whether you are:

(i) Scared enough to feel the need for “protection” against such minor hazards of ordinary life

(ii) Naive enough to believe that the information and the regulatory systems are not serving the interests of the powerful and the wealthy.

Whatever your self-image might be, if you are scared enough of covid to seek prophylactic protection, you clearly aren’t resistant to “all forms of woo and medieval fear mongering – including the marketing and PR type that has created The Science(TM)”.

Norman
4 years ago
Reply to  Anti_socialist

You might count me in when they have tested it for as long as they usually test pharmaceutical products. I am 75 now so may not be around anyway by then.

TheyLiveAndWeLockdown
4 years ago
Reply to  Norman

I might try when they get around to publishing all the trial data so i assume I’ll wait 75 (+2 for the legalities of the FOI) years for full disclosure.

Norman
4 years ago
Reply to  Anti_socialist

Is it like cyanide? No-one catches anything after an injection of that.

Rogerborg
4 years ago
Reply to  Anti_socialist

Oh, super, then I’ll wait for that one then, after it’s been through full trials.

What rational person wouldn’t?

Smelly Melly
4 years ago
Reply to  Anti_socialist

Has it been in trial long as it typically takes 5 to 12 years to develop and trial a medication.

huxleypiggles
4 years ago
Reply to  Anti_socialist

Bullshit.

Any respectable virologist / epidemiologist will state that vaccines need at least ten years testing and trials. This is a bag of the fag packet brew.

Utter nonsense.

mishmash
4 years ago
Reply to  Anti_socialist

Whitty was touting this idea last week. A magical cure-all when they haven’t yet managed to cure the common cold or create an influenza version, but a new ‘novel virus’ that takes the world by storm? No problem, just give us a couple of years….
Fake treatment for a fake virus.

Lister of Smeg
Lister of Smeg
4 years ago
Reply to  Anti_socialist

The problem is they said the same with the similar ‘vaccines’ against the early strains of COVID and that no boosters would be needed. It’s all snake oil sales pitches to sucker everyone into vaccines every few months for life and untold $Bns of profit ad infinitum for the Pharma giants.

Notice how the report doesn’t mention whether any boosters wil need to be administered after thsi new ‘vaccine’ is given? Funny, that.

TheGreenAcres
4 years ago
Reply to  Anti_socialist

…and potential variants??

Does that mean the ones they have lined up but haven’t released yet?

Welshp
Welshp
4 years ago
Reply to  Anti_socialist

And the sheeple that have swallowed 3 or 4 so far will be flocking up for this also.

Absolutely sickening.

BS665
BS665
4 years ago

We are winning, and they are being overwhelmed by the fact there is nothing they can do to stab us.

A complete ‘reveal’ of their fraud to the general public is not too far off.

Rogerborg
4 years ago
Reply to  BS665

Sorry, that’s a comforting fiction. We[*] lost when social credit score apps were imposed. Everything after that is just mopping up the remaining resistance.

[*] In the general sense of anyone minded to do their own research and make up their own mind on any matter, rather than obeying the Action This Day war-diktats from their Telescreen.

BS665
BS665
4 years ago
Reply to  Rogerborg

They’ll need a tremendously large mop to catch us all.

I’m prepared to resist even if they forcibly jab me in 2 years time.

Why bother continuing if we ‘can’t win’?

Let’s see what happens.

cornubian
4 years ago
Reply to  Rogerborg

We are winning and the increasing numbers of people wising up and refusing to be further injected are testament to that.

HelenaHancart
HelenaHancart
4 years ago
Reply to  cornubian

Yep, We, the resistance, are mopping up those that have previously been jabbed and are now saying “no more!” This is a huge group who are slowly beginning to see the light. Many we speak to at our campaigning in town are jabbed but are now realising they will have to be oconstantly jabbed. They are worried about where this going now. Many have refused to get their kids jabbed. These are the people that could turn this around!

RedhotScot
4 years ago
Reply to  HelenaHancart

Thank you for your campaigning.

Hester
Hester
4 years ago
Reply to  BS665

I don’t disagree they are becoming more hysterical as they realise its not working anymore. Big Pharma and money is behind all of this, the Pharma Industry is now more powerful than the Gun lobby and the defence companies in terms of its influence and control of the American Government, and in Europe and the UK, Africa, India and the rest of the third world have largely come through this Pandemic because they have used Ivermectin and hydroxychloroquine, both of which have been withdrawn for the over the counter use in the USA, Europe and the UK.
We are in the final elements now, they are trying to turn the vaccinated against the unvaccinated, all as a distraction from their need to drive entire populations on to regualr injections in order to make billions for the Pharma Industry. Refuse to join in hate, take back control, they cannot make us do anything, and if we all refuse to obey, they lose their power and they are finished, and all this suffering created by them will be over.

Portnadler
4 years ago
Reply to  Hester

Brilliant!

BS665
BS665
4 years ago
Reply to  Hester

Yet their suffering may just be beginning.

Lucan Grey
4 years ago

The key phrase in the piece is

But if the consequence of that decision is to place others at risk then it cannot be allowed to pass by default. 

This is based entirely upon the mistaken belief that vaccination stops transmission, when the evidence is that it doesn’t do much to stop transmission. It’s the same argument as with masks.

Vaccination, if it does anything, reduces the severity of the infection for the person taking the vaccine and statistically that’s all it does. They were never designed to halt transmission. They were designed to reduce death and injury.

Even if we vaccinated 100% of people, the disease would still spread, and people will still end up in hospital. It’s that point we need to get across. It’s not magic juice. In fact it’s a pretty weak first generation prophylactic.

RickH
4 years ago
Reply to  Lucan Grey

They were designed to reduce death and injury.

… the incidence of which is very low, anyway.

Lucan Grey
4 years ago
Reply to  RickH

It is.

However if the harm projected is taking up medical resources, then why aren’t the same people demanding that the proles stop driving cars?

Dave Angel Eco Warrior
Dave Angel Eco Warrior
4 years ago
Reply to  RickH

Yes. You have to keep coming back to that very simple fact. Even without vaccines, death and injury was extremely unlikely.

Rogerborg
4 years ago
Reply to  RickH

And with an absolute reduction of under 1%. Taking into account vaccine injuries among the young, and increased infection in the double-dosed, I’d wonder if it’s now flipped to positive harm..

TheyLiveAndWeLockdown
4 years ago
Reply to  Rogerborg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3aZsn8jm7ZE

Link to explain your comment.

In fact ALL CAUSE mortality during the trial was lower for the placebo group tells you all you need to know (especially when this was covered up).

Anti_socialist
4 years ago
Reply to  Lucan Grey

Even if we vaccinated 100% of people

More importantly, it would still mutate, & quite possibly become more virulent because of vaccination. Thank the heavens (or evolution) for the sensible caution of the unvaccinated.

Lucan Grey
4 years ago
Reply to  Anti_socialist

It’s unlikely to become more virulent. Again when you apply science and look at it from the virus’s point of view, it just wants to live and replicate. The best way to do that is to become more transmissible and less deadly to hosts.

Which is what we are seeing with Omicron.

Ideally, if you’re a virus, you don’t want the host to notice they are infected. That way they won’t alter their behaviour and try and kill you.

Anti_socialist
4 years ago
Reply to  Lucan Grey

Yes, Omicron is less virulent, thanks to the poor vaccination rate in Africa.

Lucan Grey
4 years ago
Reply to  Anti_socialist

More likely the other way around – forcing the virus through vaccinated plasma and then accidentally dropping the vial.

As el gato malo and others have indicated, evidence is strong that Omicron circulates preferentially in the vaccinated. In all likelihood, it is the result of gain-of-function research, in which it was passaged repeatedly through convalescent or vaccinated plasma, in the hopes of helping the virus evade acquired immunity. 

https://eugyppius.substack.com/p/omicron-is-not-normal

Chris_uk
4 years ago
Reply to  Lucan Grey

Yes, that’s what viruses normally do. But what happens when the virus has a population that is artificially kept alive, even with mutations that would normally kill the host? Then the normal rules don’t apply any more, and we are in a dangerous experiment.

Lucan Grey
4 years ago
Reply to  Chris_uk

You can test that by pretending to be a virus. People who are kept artificially alive are kept like that by killing viruses, but they tend to kill the virulent ones – since that’s the ones that are noticed.

Therefore selection is for those that keep under the radar, and they propagate.

Mark
4 years ago
Reply to  Lucan Grey

No, it’s nothing to do with “noticing”, and it’s not to do with “killing the virulent ones”, it’s to do with where and how the viruses or their effects are addressed.

TheyLiveAndWeLockdown
4 years ago
Reply to  Lucan Grey

Now a jab that causes a viral infection to be more often asymptomatic yet still spread as much would cause what?

Mark
4 years ago
Reply to  Lucan Grey

That’s the whole point of the Marek’s disease observation – if you create a situation where “vaccination” protects against the worst consequences of a disease then you can drive evolution of forms that are tolerated by the vaccinated but deadly to the unvaccinated: “Over the past fifty years, Marek’s disease—an illness of fowl—has become fouler. Marek’s is caused by a highly contagious virus, related to those that cause herpes in humans. It spreads through the dust of contaminated chicken coops, and caused both paralysis and cancer. In the 1970s, new vaccines brought the disease the under control. But Marek’s didn’t go gently into that good night. Within ten years, it started evolving into more virulent strains, which now trigger more severe cancers and afflict chickens at earlier ages. Andrew Read from Pennsylvania State University thinks that the vaccines were responsible. The Marek’s vaccine is “imperfect” or “leaky.” That is, it protects chickens from developing disease, but doesn’t stop them from becoming infected or from spreading the virus. Inadvertently, this made it easier for the most virulent strains to survive. Such strains would normally kill their hosts so quickly that they’d die out. But in an immunised flock, they can persist… Read more »

Chris_uk
4 years ago
Reply to  Mark

This is what I was trying to say, but this is a much better way of explaining it.

Mark
4 years ago
Reply to  Chris_uk

Yes, I up-ticked your comment, but thought it would be useful to add some factual backup…

Though as I noted, I recall having discussed this specific point with Lucan before. For some reason he’s determined not to face up to reality on this point.

RedhotScot
4 years ago
Reply to  Mark

You’re correct in that your post demonstrates a particular phenomenon however, rarely does one size fit all.

Whilst I largely agree with you, it seems we may have an ally from an unexpected source.

A study has been done which claims the Delta variant has been attacked by the common cold virus and neutered it into Omicron.

Personally I think the rate of mutation of this virus (5 variants in the UK in 20 months) demonstrates it’s immature and meeting challenges it has not encountered.

In the normal course of events ‘wild’ virus, be it from bats, pigs, chickens or pangolins would have faced innumerable challenges which, had it survived, would have ensured its robustness.

Which suggests to me the theory of a lab produced virus is all the more credible as the challenges it would face would be nowhere near that of a wild version.

janvanruth
janvanruth
4 years ago
Reply to  RedhotScot

a virus being attacked by another virus?
that would be a first one…
5 variants in 20 months?
how about 50000 variants in 20 months?

cornubian
4 years ago
Reply to  Lucan Grey

“They were designed to reduce death and injury.” Why are you repeating regime propaganda as if it were true? Reports in the Lancet and BMJ demonstrate that the injections have zero efficacy. Statistics show that the curve of death always follows the curve of injection and leaked Pfizer trial papers show that 5 times as many people died from heart attacks in the juice group when compared to the control group.

Sforzesca
Sforzesca
4 years ago
Reply to  Lucan Grey

I may be wrong but didn’t Pfizer originally say on the tin – and in a blaze of publicity – that it was 90% efficient at preventing transmission ? (or maybe that really meant 90% efficient at hastening death).

Slightly off topic – I wish the MSM/BBC would stop using the highly misleading and inaccurate term “breakthrough infections” when in reality they are purely the result of “vaccine failures”.
It’s a complete mystery to me as to why the correct terminology has been changed…

PartyTime
4 years ago
Reply to  Sforzesca

I don’t know what basis Pfizer would have for saying anything like that – certainly not their own clinical trial, in which they didn’t even test for infection rates or viral load, they just tested a small subset of participants who showed symptoms.

JayBee
4 years ago
Reply to  Sforzesca

Pfizer, and the others, reported an efficiency of 95% in reducing infection, the relative risk reduction part of 140 vs 10 out of 22k each. That was the basis for its approval, but restated as ‘reducing mild symptoms or illnesses’, though sold as ‘preventing infection and transmission’ by almost everyone.
It’s trials also showed a 90% efficiency against severe illness, but on the basis of a statistically insignificant 9 vs1 out of 22k.
As we know now and many noticed previously, these trials were rigged and fraudulent in many instances and, most importantly, showed negative outcome with regard to ignored all cause mortality- no drug or vaccine would have been approved with that profile alone.

186NO
186NO
4 years ago
Reply to  JayBee

And the absolute risk reduction percentage from the original trials was….?

TheyLiveAndWeLockdown
4 years ago
Reply to  Lucan Grey

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fL00v2YjWKI

Boris agrees with you.

Those who risked the clot-shots catch and spread (and viral load same) as unjabbed. They’ll just ASLO risk covid and the jabs.

stewart
4 years ago
Reply to  Lucan Grey

They don’t care about the spread of a virus that hurts almost no one.

They are terrified of the control group that is necessary and essential to proving the atrocity they have committed with their vaccine roll. out.

They are trying to eliminate the control group.

twinkytwonk
4 years ago
Reply to  Lucan Grey

“They were designed to reduce death and injury.”

From the pfizer end point data the only statistical difference between the groups was in the placebo group where more people had covid type symptoms and then tested positive via pcr. We will never know if the vaccinated arm were infected but had lesser symptoms as they were never tested.

The pfizer vaccine was shown to neither reduce injury or death.

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DevonBlueBoy
DevonBlueBoy
4 years ago
Reply to  Lucan Grey

About as effective as a split condom in preventing pregnancy

Ruth Learner
Ruth Learner
4 years ago

This is now a ‘pandemic’ of the vaccinated – see latest Danish study covered by the best source of updated info: https://www.thelastamericanvagabond.com/danish-study-reveals-all-variants-mostly-infect-fully-vaccinated-pfizers-hidden-safety-data/

RickH
4 years ago

The proportions shown in the graph in the previous article shows incontrovertibly that the claim is patently false, given the small number of patients with ‘Covid’.

People like Sunak have lowered the bar for lying in the political class. Absolute scum.

DanClarke
DanClarke
4 years ago

The more I read of the Real Dr Fauci the worse the covid plot gets

186NO
186NO
4 years ago
Reply to  DanClarke

Its on order; please also read Dr David Martin’s “Fauci Dossier” if not already done so :
https/f.hubspotusercontent10.net/hubfs/8079569/The%20FauciCOVID-19%20Dossier

Norman
4 years ago

The unjabbed have survived the “onslaught” of the virus for 2 years without succumbing. It suggests that there is something in their lifestyle or physiology that resists Covid.

RTSC
RTSC
4 years ago
Reply to  Norman

Correct. I’m female, early 60s, slim, fit and healthy – I’ve carried on with life as close to normal as possible throughout and I’ve been perfectly healthy throughout. I take Vit C, D and Zinc. I think I had the bug before China ‘fessed up.

Norman
4 years ago
Reply to  RTSC

I’m mid 70s and overweight, but constantly active and eat a well balanced diet , including own vegetables. Like you I take recommended supplements.
However, I think being anti-social has helped – my friends are friends and I don’t do acquaintances.

HelenaHancart
HelenaHancart
4 years ago
Reply to  RTSC

Same here, although I’m in my mid-fifties, not so slim, but try to keep healthy. I have RA so classed as “vulnerable” due to my meds. But like you I had the coof two years ago, got over it (one of daily meds for RA is hydroxychloroquine!) and I’ve been taking VitD3 and VitC for years. I’ve been fine since, not even a cold. No masking, social distancing, overly hand sanitising and all the rest. Even though my immune system is somewhat suppressed, I have more faith in that than any so-called “vaccine” they want to shove into all of us right now.

Anti_socialist
4 years ago
Reply to  Norman

Yes i’m antivirus, they don’t like me either. It’s a symbiotic relationship, if they don’t kill me I won’t kill them. 😉

Suzyv
Suzyv
4 years ago
Reply to  Norman

It’s called not damaging your immune system with repeated vials full of poison and allowing it to work naturally and in which case it works much better and against all variants. Also the unjabbed are most likely not stuffing hydrogel graphene oxide ( found in the test swabs) up their noses just because they have sneezed.

annieob
annieob
4 years ago

There’s a clear shift to using lockdowns as a weapon against unvaccinated people. As the Telegraph is doing. Why? To stir up enough irrational panic, rage & hatred to succeed in mandating vaccines for all. This is what lies behind the manufactured omicron panic- particularly urgent given that omicron may turn out to be so mild that it’s difficult to manufacture panic, rage & hatred in future. Lockdown needs to be threatened now, while it still can be, in order to be used as a weapon. The gullible haters of the unvaccinated will fanatically support mandatory vaccines under the assumption this will be a one off measure for the dirty unclean. It won’t be, of course. It will be for everyone, 3 times a year, indefinitely. With all that that implies in terms of repeated exposure to still experimental vaccines with no long term safety data, and against a background where there will be a huge motivation for the government and the public health establishment to bury any signals of danger or lack of efficacy. It’s difficult to conceive of anything more dangerous. How to address someone like Philip Johnston? He’s not evil. He’s a frightened man who’s being used.… Read more »

NickR
4 years ago
Reply to  annieob

I suspect Johnstone, like so many journalists, is an arts graduate, I’d put money that he can’t calculate a percentage or look critically at data, as a consequence he’s incapable of producing a reasoned argument.
I know so many people like this, their critical faculties have deserted them, they’re panicked & looking to lash out. All rather sad.

Sandra Barwick
Sandra Barwick
4 years ago
Reply to  NickR

He’s a very able guy. Don’t know his degree, but he certainly can calculate a percentage and can look critically at data – if he couldn’t dissect it himself he knows how to interrogate those who can.
He’s following the paper’s line. That’s how he keeps his job.

sophie123
4 years ago
Reply to  Sandra Barwick

Is he completely unprincipled then?

cornubian
4 years ago
Reply to  annieob

“The gullible haters of the unvaccinated will fanatically support mandatory vaccines under the assumption this will be a one off measure for the dirty unclean“. Only partially true. The ‘vaccinated’ are privately terrified of what they volunteered for so want those who were smart enough to say no, and warned them not to take the regimes poison, to share their fate. In effect, they hate us for being right. So we have a pandemic alright. A pandemic of people who refuse to admit they were wrong so want to drag the rest of us down with them – ie make us all equally worse off in the same way that communism does.

Vxi7
Vxi7
4 years ago
Reply to  cornubian

I see also something else besides your excellent observations. When you say you are not feared of death they automatically become the cowards and it is difficult for the mind to accept you were the coward because all our culture and education put the ‘brave’ (I don’t feel one) as the prime example.

JayBee
4 years ago
Reply to  cornubian

I do not know what the real motives of the authorities are.
But for the vast majority of the guinea pigs this is now solely about establishing, ringfencing and officially getting a confirmation of the indication for their subjugation- the more they are zealous and totally convinced or they become doubtful and irritated or anxious about the now likely continued boostering, the more so.
They want to and must get an official stamp of approval that their decision was right, come what may.
That necessitates at least a privilege for them, ideally visible and to be exercised often and in the open, hence no masks for the vaxxed in the US and the concept of vaxx passports, arm bands etc. in ever more settings, but most ideally also an official punishment for those who did not subjugate.
Basically, they have lost their humanity and become animals again.

stewart
4 years ago
Reply to  annieob

Every government has rushed out covid vaccines without care for the terrible consequences.

They are now on a mission to eliminate any type of control group that could expose the atrocity.

The campaign against unjabbed is a cover up campaign.

Hugh
Hugh
4 years ago
Reply to  stewart

I still say it won’t work. I understand their long term goal is 70% of the world’s population. That’s still a lot of people who won’t take it.

Sandra Barwick
Sandra Barwick
4 years ago
Reply to  annieob

I worked with him. I observed him. He’s not frightened. And he perfectly understands the effect of his words.

jingleballix
4 years ago
Reply to  annieob

Daily Mail and Daily Telegraph condemning the unjabbed on the same day.

Clearly they want to ‘encourage’ people to get jabbed, but if my reading of the situation is correct, then they are also attempting to create a public mood that will allow the leeway to change the law and MANDATE jabbing.

That will be how the social credit system will operate – got to take a jab every 6 months, or else we will close down your life.

The jabs can be manipulated to end the lives of certain group or individuals they don’t like. Let’s say those with dementia……or those over-80……or those 60lbs over-weight…….or those who don’t buy climate change…….or those who protest about the government.

Don’t forget, if they can persuade people to demonise the unjabbed and approve of mandatory jabs – then they can persuade the same sheep to accept octogenarian euthanasia.

skeptron
skeptron
4 years ago

Okay so they are saying that 90% of patients needing serious hospital care are unvaccinated. The aim here is clear, to suggest that it is the unvaccinated alone who are ‘overwhelming’ the hospitals and it’s their fault we need another lockdown.

Even if this were true, it basically proves that there is no chance of hospitals being ‘overwhelmed’ (whatever that actually means). This is because we know that 80-90% of the vulnerable are double-jabbed. How can 10-20% of the vulnerable population overwhelm the hospitals, when last December the entire vulnerable population (as basically none were vaccinated until Jan/Feb) hardly managed it? They’d need to be hospitalised at a 5-10x greater rate than last winter to even have a chance at matching admissions.

Nobody2021
4 years ago

We’ve had 2 years of misrepresenting the data to “encourage” the right behaviour and anybody who questioned it was maligned or shut down.

Why would they stop now?

stewart
4 years ago
Reply to  Nobody2021

They’re not just stopping, their claims are becoming more and more outlandish. That seems to be the nature of confidence tricks and scams. You need ever bigger lies and tricks to cover up the previous ones.

TheyLiveAndWeLockdown
4 years ago
Reply to  Nobody2021

“misrepresenting” It’s telling pure lies.

know that what they say will be misinterpreted. Misleading statements are still a lie.

Half a Truth is a whole lie.

NeilofWatford
4 years ago

Once you learn to read between the lines, it’s obvious that this surge of misinformation (see today’s Daily Mail for example, its leader, plus views of Welby etc) is driven by government panic. I reckon very few have had their experimental gene booster so the ‘Big Fear’ is being deployed.
Stand firm folks, expose the lie.

Chris_uk
4 years ago
Reply to  NeilofWatford

I looked up some numbers this morning. In England 51 million got shot 1, 47 million shot 2, and 25 million shot 3. Still far too many not putting 2 and 2 together.

Mark
4 years ago
Reply to  Chris_uk

Not according to the UK COVID-19 vaccine weekly surveillance reports:

Vaccine coverage tells us about the proportion of the population that have received 1, 2 and 3 doses of COVID-19 vaccines. By 12 December 2021, the overall vaccine uptake in England for dose 1 was 67.9% and for dose 2 was 62.2%. Overall vaccine uptake in England in people with at least 3 doses was 31.4%. In line with the programme rollout, coverage is highest in the oldest age groups

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1041593/Vaccine-surveillance-report-week-50.pdf

cornubian
4 years ago
Reply to  Mark

Thats right. 15 million people in England who are eligible have not had a single jab. Add in the growing numbers of refuseniks and we are gettting might powerful.

Sandra Barwick
Sandra Barwick
4 years ago
Reply to  Chris_uk

Talked to a guy yesterday who said he had Covid four weeks ago – elderly, not well – he didn’t know he even had it. Just felt a bit tired. I asked where he was going: “To get my booster.”
Why, when you had it four weeks ago, and didn’t even notice it?
He looked very surprised at the question.
”They say you should.”

sophie123
4 years ago
Reply to  Sandra Barwick

OMG. I spoke with a friend (double jabbed) who was recovering from COVID (he had it quite bad) and a month or two later described himself as a shell of what he was then told me he was suffering further from a headache thanks to his booster the day prior.

This guy has a biochemistry degree from Oxford. First class.

I said to him “why would you do that? you know how immunity works!” and he just said “don’t start”

Mark
4 years ago
Reply to  sophie123

This guy has a biochemistry degree from Oxford. First class.
I said to him “why would you do that? you know how immunity works!” and he just said “don’t start””

We’ve been observing here since the beginning just how amazing it has been to see highly educated, intelligent people basically conforming with stuff they are perfectly capable of seeing through, but the sheer power of conformism and/or fear never ceases to amaze!

DevonBlueBoy
DevonBlueBoy
4 years ago
Reply to  Mark

The power of propaganda

stewart
4 years ago
Reply to  NeilofWatford

What they fear more than anything else is the control group.

The control group is what will prove their crimes.

Norman
4 years ago

Our Christmas has just been cancelled. One son who lives abroad won’t come back to UK in case Boris announces a lockdown, and the other son, who his hosting is partner’s sister just found out they she brought an “infection” (asymptomatic, of course) with her from Barcelona, so they are now in quarantine, despite negative tests so far.

Will
Will
4 years ago

Thank you for this Will. After Laura Duffel I will never again trust anything anecdotal that comes out of a medics mouth.

Sandra Barwick
Sandra Barwick
4 years ago
Reply to  Will

Yeah, those guys were making it up because they were talking to an influential journalist and they were spreading a line – and he wanted to hear it.

stewart
4 years ago

“The stock market looks strongest just before it’s about to collapse.”

I heard this phrase recently and remember it every day.

Norman
4 years ago
Reply to  stewart

I am forcibly reminded of it every day.

TheyLiveAndWeLockdown
4 years ago
Reply to  stewart

Don’t fight the fed, there’s not really a market any more.

The central committee credit pricing ensures bubbles do not pop (until they do)

sophie123
4 years ago
Reply to  stewart

I just sold off half my equity positions. I’m getting increasingly uneasy about the market.

186NO
186NO
4 years ago
Reply to  sophie123

IMHO not the thing to do; timing in and out is more difficult than plaiting fog.

Long term performance may be better with the index/indices not the stocks – let the market making herd creatures determine what constitutes the index of choice and ride the wave – less stressful, dead cat bounces don’t happen and market falls will not trouble you, and significantly less expensive.

Chisel
Chisel
4 years ago

Can these people not be held to account; particularly Sajid Javid for lying in public office? The DT needs to retract the Philip Johnson article at once!

sinope33
sinope33
4 years ago

Hear hear especially to the final paragraph.

DanClarke
DanClarke
4 years ago

Despite the raft of evidence of our so called leaders flaunting all of their own rules, G7, G20, ‘meetings’ even the media propaganda tv appearances where the reporters are seen to slap on the masks when Johnson appears and the camera’s start rolling, the gullible still can’t see it or don’t want to see it and admit they’ve been fooled ‘its easier to fool people than convince them they’ve been fooled’, we’re at that point now

Chris_uk
4 years ago

Very interesting that link to EU Resolution 2361 (2021):

https://pace.coe.int/en/files/29004/html

7.3.1 ensure that citizens are informed that the vaccination is not mandatory and that no one is under political, social or other pressure to be vaccinated if they do not wish to do so

7.3.2 ensure that no one is discriminated against for not having been vaccinated, due to possible health risks or not wanting to be vaccinated;

I realise that doesn’t apply here in the UK, but people in the EU can make good use of that.

DanClarke
DanClarke
4 years ago
Reply to  Chris_uk

On Gov.UK there is a paper that says ‘Bullying and Coercion is illegal’

Anti_socialist
4 years ago
Reply to  Chris_uk

Don’t let being in the EU be important criteria, it doesn’t seem to apply to France, Germany, Italy, Austria, etc either.

Paul B
4 years ago
Reply to  Chris_uk

Wasn’t that Japan?

JaneDoeNL
JaneDoeNL
4 years ago
Reply to  Chris_uk

It does apply in the UK.

It is not an EU regulation – somthing the EU itself is at pains to point out in an explanation of the apartheid app. Always banging on about human rights – except when it’s inconvenient.

The regulation was issued by the Council of Europe, home of the European Court of Human Rights, which has 47 member states, including the UK, a founding member.

PartyTime
4 years ago
Reply to  Chris_uk

I think that January ruling was effectively superseded by something else around April which acknowledged that vaccines could be made mandatory.

Lozboz
Lozboz
4 years ago

The latest ONS infection survey released 21/12 clearly shows that the unvaccinated are nearly FIVE times less likely to test positive for Omicron compared to those withe the booster.

It’s data collected to 12/12 and early days but repeats findings in Denmark with a much higher number of cases.

This is the ONS data.

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/healthandsocialcare/conditionsanddiseases/adhocs/14107coronaviruscovid19infectionsurveyukcharacteristicsrelatedtohavinganomicroncompatibleresultinthosewhotestpositiveforcovid19

DanClarke
DanClarke
4 years ago

Why is there an absence of comprehensive official data, they appear able to find the data they want when they want.

Anti_socialist
4 years ago

Forgive me, I don’t intend to sound disrespectful to DS, but what kind of journalists are you? Do you consider yourself journalists at all? Do you actually investigate anything?

Maybe an article on Dr. Shankara Chetty’s 8th day protocol, what is his treatment schedule, what drugs are used, is his 100% recovery (without oxygen) claim true?

That would be something worth reading about, do you have the balls?

Will
Will
4 years ago
Reply to  Anti_socialist

Maybe they haven’t heard about it? This article is a great piece of journalism.

Anti_socialist
4 years ago
Reply to  Will

There are so many articles about vilifying the unvaccinated. The truth is they the pro-vax zealots don’t care about the truth, trying to combat political lies with scientific fact, will never win the day. They know, we know they’re lying, blah blah blah.

Engaging in their narrative just legitimizes it, counter propaganda requires you empower yourself with your own narrative. If they haven’t heard of Dr Chetty they aren’t journalists.

Will
Will
4 years ago

Every time I read, or hear, “anecdotal” evidence from “medical professionals”, I am more convinced that patients’ treatment is predicated on vaccination status. I suspect many unvaccinated are more likely to be admitted to hospital, for no reason other than vaccination status. And once in the grips of the medics many unvaccinated are condemned to death, by being unnecessarily intubated, for the crime of being unvaccinated.

Hester
Hester
4 years ago

What a disgraceful and frankly disgusting article by the writer and the Telegraph editors for allowing it to be printed. It is now very clear the Government wants to segregate the unvaccinated and is encouraging through the press what I can only think is violence and threats towards the unvaccinated. It really has reached the time when the people of this nation need to take a long hard look at the press and the Government and see them for what they are, hate mongers and misanthropes. If there are any Telegraph subscribers might I suggest you terminate your subscription and let the Editors know the reason. Such a spreader of lies to incite hatred deserves to go out of business.

jingleballix
4 years ago

Philip Johnston seems to have changed his mind in the last 6 months.

Wonder why that is.

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Paul B
4 years ago
Reply to  jingleballix

The comments (for as long as they allow them) are rather uplifting!

Sandra Barwick
Sandra Barwick
4 years ago
Reply to  Paul B

The Telegraph has always had a strong caucus which despised its readers – to get advertising, they needed to get new, younger, free spending ones, and they assumed that whatever girly rubbish they forced onto the pages in a vain attempt to do that, their despised older readers would carry on reading and keep up the circulation out of force of habit.

Er, where is that circulation now?

TheyLiveAndWeLockdown
4 years ago
Reply to  jingleballix

Flights on Epstein’s replacement plane?

Paul B
4 years ago

Sort the comments by most voted on the Phillip Johnston article, sit back and enjoy the pounding.

‘Struggling to remember the last time a journalist nose dived their credibility into the ground with such gusto.’

alw
alw
4 years ago

Yes I’ve had this repeated to me twice in the last couple of days from medical sources. When I’ve quoted them the actual percentages of Covid cases in hospitals overall which has been 5% since August of this year they still are in denial and also told them that 45% of transmission is from patient to patient in hospital. They finally agree that the problem is hospital capacity and staff illness with all the testing and isolation requirements.

One of the sources who is my closest friend asked me if we were going to test ourselves before going to spend Christmas day with the family. You can imagine my response. She has become totally unhinged.

DanClarke
DanClarke
4 years ago

The majority of people who are admitted to hospital are elderly and vaccinated, if the reported vax figures are correct and not lies

alw
alw
4 years ago
Reply to  DanClarke

You can have gazillion antibodies but if your immune system is not up to scratch then vaccines won’t help you.

TheyLiveAndWeLockdown
4 years ago
Reply to  alw

If we’d spent more on researching involution of the thymus instead of wasting it on covid we’d be vastly heathier.

jingleballix
4 years ago

Last Sunday Sajid Javid launched a campaign to discriminate against the unjabbed.

Almost certainly it will be tightly coordinated – hence Johnston’s execrable piece today.

This piece is accompanied by a ‘paper’ from the ‘Tony Blair Institute’ that, inter alia recommends the establishment of a government task force to hunt down the unjabbed individually.

This will require careful identification of those unwilling to be vaccinated and bespoke plans to persuade them to get the jab.

There are lots of other charming measures that Blair wants to introduce – they all amount to the establishment of a bio-security state – the basis of which, we may strongly surmise, will be perpetual authoritarian control over our lives.

https://institute.global/policy/staying-ahead-covid-curve

It is a terrifyingly banal elicitation of what the globalists want our lives to look like.

There are clear indications of the direction of travel – look at Canada, Australia, New Zealand…….and Ireland, where Leo Varadkhar recently said, ‘We should allow periods of freedom to give people a break’.

https://www.spiked-online.com/2021/12/20/the-erasure-of-liberty/

TheyLiveAndWeLockdown
4 years ago
Reply to  jingleballix

Tony Blair HAS to be tried for treason.

Bluenorw
Bluenorw
4 years ago
Reply to  jingleballix

I see Blair is advocating the identification of the unvaccinated and “direct communication from the NHS” and an “in-person” visit. Anyone knocking on my door in this respect will get very short shrift. I can but wonder at the sheer arrogance of Blair. An odious individual for whom virtually no-one has any respect and yet he is so thick skinned as to think that his opinion is of any interest to anyone. The man is deluded.

Free Lemming
4 years ago

I’m pretty sure the rhetoric is being ramped up in preparation for more restrictions and measures in the new year – maybe almost immediately after Xmas. The psychology is simple, make the majority think that the minority are the source of all their problems. Instil a hatred for this minority and literally, as history proves, anything is possible. I anticipate more restrictions against the vaccinated (in order to increase the hatred of the reason for their restrictions – the unvaccinated), and even further restrictions on the unvaccinated. The latter being gleefully accepted because of the former. The next stage of this is just around the corner now, so I expect to start to see the unvaccinated being shut out of public life and formally made second class citizens. Peaceful protest will then no longer be an option.

MrTea
MrTea
4 years ago

‘The amount of misinformation being put out by Government ministers and senior medics about the proportion of unvaccinated people in hospital with Covid is reaching a new level that is beginning to feel disturbingly sinister.’

This whole shit show has been distrubingly sinister since Boris decided to ignore the established pandemic plan and impose CCP style lockdown.