South Africa’s ‘SAGE’ Tells Government: End Contact Tracing and Self-Isolation for Covid Because It’s Not Worth It

South Africa’s Ministerial Advisory Committee (MAC) on Covid, a similar body to SAGE, has written to Health Minister Joe Phaahla recommending that all contact tracing and self-isolation of contacts for Covid be stopped because it is unnecessary and ineffective. South Africa is the original epicentre of the Omicron outbreak so this advice should be a strong signal to Boris Johnson and the rest of the world that the panic about Omicron is unwarranted.

The Committee’s experts write:

We propose that quarantining be discontinued with immediate effect for contacts of cases of Covid. This applies equally to vaccinated and non-vaccinated contacts. No testing for Covid is required irrespective of the exposure risk, unless the contact becomes symptomatic. We further propose that contact tracing be stopped.

They explain:

Crucially, it appears that efforts to eliminate and/or contain the virus are not likely to be successful. Therefore, it is critical that the role of containment efforts like quarantine and contact tracing is re-evaluated.

They add:

The inability of the current testing strategy to identify the bulk of cases is illustrated by the high SARS-CoV-2 seropositivity rates seen across multiple provinces in serosurveys, implying that only a fraction of cases (perhaps one in 10, or even less) are ever diagnosed.

It stands to reason that if the vast majority of cases are not diagnosed, then the vast majority of case contacts are also not diagnosed. This means that quarantining and contact tracing are of negligible public health benefit in the South African setting.

The Daily Sceptic has been sent a copy of the memo, which is reproduced in full below.

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Sandra Barwick
Sandra Barwick
4 years ago

So we can all try to move to Japan and South Africa now, if Florida won’t take us.

paul smith
4 years ago
Reply to  Sandra Barwick

Plenty of room, too – Africa’s a BIG place.
…Japan, not so much.

stewart
4 years ago
Reply to  Sandra Barwick

I would hold fire for now. Expect a move from the Gates-Davos HQ to bring pressure to South Africa. They haven’t shown themselves to be very tolerant of notable countries that step out of line.

crisisgarden
4 years ago
Reply to  Sandra Barwick

Happy to built the raft! 🛶

Milo
Milo
4 years ago
Reply to  crisisgarden

Rafts – we are going to need plenty of them!!!

Bart Simpson
4 years ago
Reply to  Sandra Barwick

Any dinghys that we can borrow?

That said, Japan won’t take us – to paraphrase the Good Book, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of the needle than it is for a foreigner to immigrate to Japan.

lorrinet
lorrinet
4 years ago
Reply to  Bart Simpson

How wonderful it must be to live in a country whose leaders care for the welfare and safety of the people and their culture, who put them and their interests before those of foreigners. No, I can’t imagine what that must be like, being English, and so often of less importance than the latest illegal immigrant who steps ashore and has been persuaded that he has reached Shangri-La.

I know Japan is not perfect, but it’s no accident that it is a relatively safe and stable country.

RW
RW
4 years ago
Reply to  Sandra Barwick

I think I have a better idea? Why was the practice of sending notoric malfeastants to the colonies ever discontinued? South Africa clearly has a dearth of reputable COVID experts. Let’s ship them there. As oarsmen on a galley.

crisisgarden
4 years ago
Reply to  RW

Ha ha! They’d never make it out if the port. Their weather and tidal predictions would make travel impossible forever..

RW
RW
4 years ago
Reply to  crisisgarden

Galley aren’t really seaworthy and can’t store many provisions, either. Hence, assuming they’d make it accross the channel alive (anything but certain), they’d have to hug the coast all the way south, making landfall each evening and then coaxing the means for continued survival out of the local population.

Somehow, I can’t help thinking that the skillset one would likely find in a group of exiled COVID experts wouldn’t be of much help for this.

🙂

Emerald Fox
4 years ago
Reply to  Sandra Barwick

‘Bye!

SMC
SMC
4 years ago

I’ve been tracking the UK Mortality stats on the Government’s ONS site: (https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/datasets/weeklyprovisionalfiguresondeathsregisteredinenglandandwales)
Below are the deaths for 2020 and 2021 for:

  • All-Cause Mortality of Babies under the age of 1 (I can’t find the Still-Born Deaths and Birth stats; nothing seems to have been published since April 2021 – very strange). Can anyone help find those stats or the relevant URL?
  • All-Cause Mortality for boys/males aged 10-39 years old (I’ve selected this cohort because a) boys seem more susceptible than girls to keeling over from the clot shot, b) this group has been jabbed, and c) this group don’t normally die of natural causes.

The latest weeks of 2021 are tracking materially higher than a) the same period in 2020 and b) at any time in the last 24 months.

Deaths Dec 21 2021.PNG
stewart
4 years ago
Reply to  SMC

It would be really good to see mortality in these age groups by year over the last 10 years.

That will really show whether something unusual has happened in 2021.

Rowan
Rowan
4 years ago
Reply to  stewart

Certainly something unusual has happened in 2021. The government has colluded with ill intentioned global players and has criminally used coercion to promote an experimental product for the purposes of killing and maiming a great many healthy people.

SMC
SMC
4 years ago
Reply to  stewart

Ok, I’ve added a 5 year average (and had to change the cohort from 10-39 year old males to 15-44 year old males). The older data split the data into different year groups.

It’s a pity, because the additional age group (of 40-45 year olds) start dying of natural causes. But the comparisons are still “Like-for-Like”.

My conclusions are now:

The latest weeks of 2021 are tracking materially higher than a) the same period in 2020; b) at any time in the last 24 months; and c) the 5 year average”.

Is something killing our babies? Is something killing our young men?

Deaths Dec 21 2021.PNG
Star
4 years ago
Reply to  SMC

The mean over the past 5 years is one thing, but to get a handle on how significant the divergence might be between the blue line and this mean we need a measure of the spread during that period. Graphically can you just show the lines for each of the past five years?

Think Harder
Think Harder
4 years ago
Reply to  stewart

“That will really show whether something unusual has happened”

Really? Are you thinking something unusual may not have happened? 😉

Think Harder
Think Harder
4 years ago
Reply to  SMC

A signal but no outrageous enough yet for the masses to notice.

RedhotScot
4 years ago

LOL.

The British Government being exposed as utterly incompetent, scientifically illiterate and socially moribund by the formerly Apartheid, southernmost African country.

How humiliating.

Julian
4 years ago
Reply to  RedhotScot

Africa has a reputation for corrupt governments that funnel cash to themselves and their mates. Most people in the UK probably think we’re above that sort of thing. Whatever the truth of that in pre-covid times, we (and almost all other rich world countries) have outdone them now.

RedhotScot
4 years ago
Reply to  Julian

There are no poor former UK Prime Ministers………..

Richard Austin
Richard Austin
4 years ago
Reply to  RedhotScot

There is a real irony here. No Prime Minister has ever done anything of real value; other people did it for them. Yet they all died rich. Schindler lost all his money doing one of the most selfless and majestically heroic things the world has ever seen. He died penniless. Thankfully Israel saw this and he moved to Israel and he was looked after until he died. I daresay many will say “Schindler who?”. Such is this messed up world.

Think Harder
Think Harder
4 years ago
Reply to  Richard Austin

I heard Jordan Peterson bemoaning that kids aren’t taught what happened in China and the Soviet Union and have this idea communism is fluffy and nice.

brachiopod
4 years ago
Reply to  Julian

You have missed the point, corrupt governments across the globe are largely corrupted by the US government, its murderous intelligence agencies, and it’s illegal military installations in over 80 countries.

Noumenon
4 years ago
Reply to  brachiopod

Imperial petro-dollar. Debt based control.

Julian
4 years ago
Reply to  brachiopod

I wasn’t really making a comment on whether African governments actually are more corrupt than rich country governments, nor or on any possible causes, just pointing out people’s perception and the contradictions that follow.

Star
4 years ago
Reply to  Julian

Britain has this culture where people are too scared to say the authorities and hierarchical figures generally are as corrupt as anything, because capdoffers mustn’t say things like that. Many really think the politicians (who they stupidly believe run stuff) care about them far more than government figures in other countries (such as Italy or Russia or China) care about “their” populations. BUT if points are made such as “No British government has ever dared upset the City of London”, or “Funny how whenever there’s a discussion of press freedom the royal family is always mentioned”, or “The BMA is the most powerful trade union in the country – medics act like a freemasonry, never willing to grass each other up, and raking in the money from the drug companies”, few would disagree. Maybe a few middle class people terrified of being seen as conspiracy theorists and therefore as no longer dinner party invitee material might baulk.

Think Harder
Think Harder
4 years ago
Reply to  Star

I was blind to it most of my life because I didn’t care. I’m not greedy, having excess wealth doesn’t matter enough to me to trample on people. Now I am not blind because it’s going beyond simple greed and it may kill us.

wantok87
4 years ago
Reply to  Star

Your assertion about the BMA being unionist is correct but not for all medics. It reflects views of GP’s mainly. Many hospital doctors are not members and disagree markedly with their self serving views. Any review of the individual members publications will give a more accurate assessment of the validity of their opinions.

Arfur Mo
Arfur Mo
4 years ago
Reply to  wantok87

Head positions of these organisations are given to people who go along with the system. The Head of British Medical Council are generally given knighthoods. One excellent surgeon/head of BMC didn’t because he opposed the piratisation of the NHS (at least a decade ago now). He left the country in disgust given the clear signs of the intended destruction.

186NO
186NO
4 years ago
Reply to  Star

Insightful but only introspectively; some ignorant prejudices in plain sight. Did you lift your first sentence from a pamphlet written by Moscow Centre?

And your comment about the “City of London” is belly laughable – look up MiFid and educate yourself – and that is just one example of many items of Red Tape (hahaha, geddit?) foisted on the City that is , ahem, OTT – and yes I know it originated behind closed doors in Brussels, but it still had to be ratified in Parliament.

Arfur Mo
Arfur Mo
4 years ago
Reply to  186NO

The City of London has a veto over UK legislation. The Bank of England is a private entity lending the UK government money at a profit. The UK Government is the only known minority sharholder in that Bank. The notes issed by the Bank of England are copyright that Bank, not Madge, though she probably gets a decent commission for the use of her monicker. The real central banksters at the Bank for International Settlements in Basel travel with diplomatic immunity. Large monopolies love red tape as it increases the cost of entry to any business sector.

186NO
186NO
4 years ago
Reply to  Arfur Mo

Oh dear – if the City of London including the Square Mile , has the veto you suggest, then the removal of large amounts of red tape – which the “City” don’t exactly appreciate, Mifid being one example only – would be unnecessary; they would have vetoed it .

The BoE is owned by the UK Government last time I studied it.

Arfur Mo
Arfur Mo
4 years ago
Reply to  Star

The muzzled are still too busy looking for Saddam Hussein’s WMD to worry about things like total authoritarianism being enabled in the UK. (/sarc)

Richard Austin
Richard Austin
4 years ago
Reply to  Julian

Above it as in $148.8 million to Pants Down Ferguson and “In the money” Vallance with his half million shares?

Think Harder
Think Harder
4 years ago
Reply to  Richard Austin

Can you provide more detail please?

Think Harder
Think Harder
4 years ago
Reply to  Julian

We’re just (slightly) more sophisticated how we do it.

Annie
4 years ago
Reply to  RedhotScot

Apartheid has left SA and settled in Fascist Europe.

Quizzical
Quizzical
4 years ago
Reply to  RedhotScot

A country in which the first heart transplant took place so some good medics there.

Milo
Milo
4 years ago
Reply to  Quizzical

A relative of mine lived in SA for about 4 years – health care FAR superior to that avail in UK

Star
4 years ago
Reply to  Milo

Cuba and Russia are also superior in terms of the level of medics’ ability.

Think Harder
Think Harder
4 years ago
Reply to  Star

NHS is crap. Some good people but not enough by a long way. It’s staffed by bureaucrats and run by bureaucrats. That’s why half the doctors just follow protocols from above. May as well have AI diagnosing.

186NO
186NO
4 years ago
Reply to  Think Harder

Far too sweeping and also denigrating legions of people who are doing a damned difficult job made far more difficult by inept managers, and people like Powis who demonstrably and provably lie to further put pressure on their staff. If you haven’t noticed, NHS clinicians are utterly “broken” and not just by the last 23 months of madness.
However, I agree 100% about protocol driven “healthcare”, where “BMI” is an example of world class, scientifically robust assessment techniques. In my experience, eg , GP’s are Big Pharma driven spreadsheet pill dispensers; it takes very little effort to demolish the NICE diktats and the fact that supposedly intelligent and “well qualified” people masquerading as Doctors do not question what they are told to do disqualifies them, as far as I am concerned after several potentially life changing consultations over many years, as “professional” people – they have forgotten “Do no harm”

stewart
4 years ago
Reply to  RedhotScot

Why humiliating? Why would South African scientists or doctors be prima facie any less competent that British ones?

Richard Austin
Richard Austin
4 years ago
Reply to  stewart

Apartheid is irrelevant. However, it is humiliating that all of the billions that go into NHS cannot produce as logical a statement as that from South Africa.

stewart
4 years ago
Reply to  Richard Austin

Interesting idea. I wouldn’t say that billions of pounds being thrown around is exactly conducive to clear, logical thinking in the public’s benefit.

Rowan
Rowan
4 years ago
Reply to  Richard Austin

SAGE tells the government exactly what it wants to hear.

Rogerborg
4 years ago
Reply to  stewart

Mean IQ: 68.87

You’re looking at 2 standard deviations just to get up to the Man on the Clapham Omnibus.

Well, the man that used to be on it, not whatever’s on it now.

Rowan
Rowan
4 years ago
Reply to  stewart

It would be hard to less competent than most British GPs beguiled as they are by toxic jab money.

Star
4 years ago
Reply to  Rowan

If they even had a sustained urge to TRY to be competent the stuck-up moneygrabbing 100-lie-a-day bullshitters would be in the wrong job.

Think Harder
Think Harder
4 years ago
Reply to  Rowan

Most just regurgitate memory or the protocol handed down to them.

186NO
186NO
4 years ago
Reply to  Rowan

See my comment above in answer to “TT”; in case any DS reader IS a GP, there are some evident exceptions to the diktat driven masses.

Some time ago, after an extremely fraught conversation with a NICE robot Google auto cutie, and whilst reading a blog post by Dr MK, it occurred to me that a national register of financial interests – “money and services provided” – should be mandated for all GMC and HCPC registered healthcare providers – and that it should start from, say, 2000 ie backdated; and it should include ANY “value” received whether directly or indirectly ( filtered through a 3rd party like a “trade” organisation)

Only then will people be able to see how these people are potentially compromised.

Star
4 years ago
Reply to  stewart

That’s a silly question.

But you may have noticed the extreme amount of social deference in Britain. Why do you call a medic “a doctor”, for instance? Do you think people do that in France or Russia?

Old Bill
4 years ago

From today I am self-identifying as a black saffer. (at least their cricket team is better than ours).

Quizzical
Quizzical
4 years ago
Reply to  Old Bill

I am not sure their cricket team was but their rugby team was certainly better than the Lions

chris-ds
chris-ds
4 years ago

The most sensible thing I’ve read in ages.

sceptics will see this as SA reacting to being put on red lists due to announcing they found omicron from traveler’s arriving from Europe which unduly impacted their travel sector and their international reputation.

our generously funded NHS has failed to protect us despite the money and clapping. We offer free vaccines to anyone that wants them, we need to stop mass testing and tracing, anyone with covid should do a home test and isolate until the test is negative.

older and more vulnerable people need more protection so we should directly protect them and let everyone else go about their business, sadly it’ll mean I have to go back to working in an office but ho hum I can make the sacrifice.

RedhotScot
4 years ago
Reply to  chris-ds

Why would anyone bother to do a home test if they already have covid?

Think Harder
Think Harder
4 years ago
Reply to  RedhotScot

Why would anyone bother to do a test at all unless they were seriously ill and the doctor wanted it for confirmation. People are testing their kids because the school said so. Tell them to f off unless they are properly ill – in which case they wouldn’t be in school anyway.

CynicalRealist
4 years ago
Reply to  chris-ds

anyone with covid should do a home test and isolate until the test is negative.

What does this actually achieve? The statistics show no impact on spread. We’ve never done it with anything else! If you feel crap, stay at home as with a cold or flu. In the unlikely event that it gets really bad, seek medical attention.

There is no justification for responding to this virus any differently than to other moderate respiratory infections.

Richard Austin
Richard Austin
4 years ago
Reply to  chris-ds

Oy! Leave off us older people! I, for one, do not want locking up and mothballing thank you 😉

Think Harder
Think Harder
4 years ago
Reply to  Richard Austin

You choose if you want vaxing or testing or isolating. If you’re seriously ill you wont want to go out anyway.

CynicalRealist
4 years ago

That all shows an encouraging level of common sense – hence unlikely that it will be followed here.

Nitrambo
Nitrambo
4 years ago
Reply to  CynicalRealist

Vested interests trump common sense

brachiopod
4 years ago

They will ignore the advice – because racism/colonial uppityism.

John001
John001
4 years ago
Reply to  brachiopod

‘Poor’ countries now seem to have superior health policies to ‘rich’ countries.

DanClarke
DanClarke
4 years ago
Reply to  John001

They can make more money out of health ‘policies’ in rich countries

Think Harder
Think Harder
4 years ago
Reply to  brachiopod

Funny how the people who scream loudest about racism or diversity turn out to be the bigots.

mikec
4 years ago

Yet another country/state discovering that the Emperor has no new clothes and is actually naked. How much long do we have to suffer the utterly useless PM and her idiotic decisions. We have to start living with cold viruses, a great start would be the MSM blowing the PCR test out of the water. All of the evidence is freely available, it wouldn’t take a Pilger or Frost to root it out.

Think Harder
Think Harder
4 years ago
Reply to  mikec

Unfortunately it’s not just the PM. There is systemic corruption all across government and the institutions. I wouldn’t bet on Boris’ successor being more liberal. I suspect the opposite.

lorrinet
lorrinet
4 years ago
Reply to  Think Harder

That would be Gove, the lockdown fanatic, God help us.

186NO
186NO
4 years ago
Reply to  mikec

Its been done; but the MSM and “factchecker” commissars have wheeled behind the agenda/OFCOM diktat to con the masses. Does not change one iota about the fraudulent nature of a regime bolstering the casedemic; still does not test for the whole 29K+ SARS COV2 bases, cannot determine presence of infection, relies on CT amplification which has been proved to be of no use above 25 ( ref Dr Richard Fleming and others), WHO CT Rate recommended to be 40+, FoI answers from NHS Trusts confirm testing regimes have used 40+ CT rates, uses a conversion of RNA to DNA because PCR does not work with RNA molecules and, finally, uses software to determine a “positive” test result.

In any other situation, the ST Insight team, for one, the likes of Tom Mangold etc, would be all over this scam – for all I know they are; don’t see the evidence of it , do “we”?

Paul B
4 years ago

More power to the sceptic MP’s collective elbow.

Make sure to send a copy to Steve Baker et al.

Annie
4 years ago

Lock up this man! He has had a severe attack of sanity!

A passerby
A passerby
4 years ago

They say that man first came out of Africa, how ironic then that the first common sense should also originate from there.

MrTea
MrTea
4 years ago

Boris isn’t interested in real world data, he prefers computer modeled doom by Ferguson.
According to Ferguson Omicron is so dangerous that 100 million Brits died last week and the only solution is mandatory jabs every 3months with vax passport as proof.

Richard Austin
Richard Austin
4 years ago
Reply to  MrTea

Ferguson must be right though, Bill Gates paid him $148.8 million to be right.

Quizzical
Quizzical
4 years ago

Sounds like the Souith African SAGE are far more with it than the unsage UK version

Beowulf
Beowulf
4 years ago
Reply to  Quizzical

More sagacious you might say.

Aleajactaest
4 years ago

it was never about a pandemic

FOIA against the Dutch Government reveals this:

ht to Sundance over at: https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2021/12/20/evidence-of-inverted-fascism-surfaces-through-foia-requests-in-the-netherlands/

Perhaps someone can FOIA Sunak?

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Victory Gin
4 years ago

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Squire Western
Squire Western
4 years ago

Bloody embarrassing that the useless Africans can get something right before the penny has dropped here.

RW
RW
4 years ago
Reply to  Squire Western

Simplicity itself: They have more difficulties with borrowing loads of money to burn it on nonsense. Hence, a certain efficiency of bureaucratic measures is called for.

Jabba the Hut
Jabba the Hut
4 years ago

Do you think western governments are shitting the bed because of the high vaccine rates (compared to S.africa) and people are going to realise that the vaccines don’t do anything to stop transmission, which is still a lie they’re desperately trying to cling onto?
Is it because of the damage the vaccines are doing to people’s immune systems and they going to try and blame it on Covid and omicron has conveniently popped up?
Or is it part of the plan to get people further down the vaccinated road so that there is no way out and they are tied into the vaccine cult?
Genuine question because I think it’s starting to happen. When are people going to start waking up to what’s happening or are they going to double down and keep blaming it on the unvaccinated?

TheyLiveAndWeLockdown
4 years ago
Reply to  Jabba the Hut

When they realise the jabs for most do nothing except make you more susceptible to cancer they may revolt!

https://www.mdpi.com/1999-4915/13/10/2056/htm

Severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS–CoV–2) has led to the coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID–19) pandemic, severely affecting public health and the global economy. Adaptive immunity plays a crucial role in fighting against SARS–CoV–2 infection and directly influences the clinical outcomes of patients. Clinical studies have indicated that patients with severe COVID–19 exhibit delayed and weak adaptive immune responses; however, the mechanism by which SARS–CoV–2 impedes adaptive immunity remains unclear. Here, by using an in vitro cell line, we report that the SARS–CoV–2 spike protein significantly inhibits DNA damage repair, which is required for effective V(D)J recombination in adaptive immunity. Mechanistically, we found that the spike protein localizes in the nucleus and inhibits DNA damage repair by impeding key DNA repair protein BRCA1 and 53BP1 recruitment to the damage site. Our findings reveal a potential molecular mechanism by which the spike protein might impede adaptive immunity and underscore the potential side effects of full-length spike-based vaccines.

A passerby
A passerby
4 years ago
Reply to  Jabba the Hut

Most probable answer in my opinion is No, to all questions.
As the prison warden said to Paul Newman in Cool Hand Luke, What we have here is a failure to communicate (I would add, anything useful) This is what happens when you have large groups each with a different agenda.

186NO
186NO
4 years ago
Reply to  A passerby

The truly great character actor, Strother Martin, RIP.

Think Harder
Think Harder
4 years ago
Reply to  Jabba the Hut

All of the above

Carrie Symonds
4 years ago

And SA was red listed for being a world class evidence led nation and held its nerve. Unlike the headless chickens here.

Anonymous
Anonymous
4 years ago

An American medical specialist, Dr Peter A. McCullough, has stated that he has heard reports that up to 71 African government ministers (from various countries across Africa) have been murdered since the start of this “pandemic”.   (Many African politicians are acutely aware that Western pharmaceutical companies have over the last few decades poisoned many of their people whilst using them as guinea pigs to test their drugs – they’ve now taken this testing out of Africa and gone global with it.)      All these murdered African politicians had objected to the SARS‑CoV‑2 “vaccines” being given to their people.     Dr Peter A. McCullough has also told of hearing reports that many pharmacies across Africa that stocked/sold hydroxychloroquine, ivermectin, et al, were raided by mercenary-type military units that destroyed or took away their stocks of these drugs.   The reason why Africa had/has almost no SARS‑CoV‑2 is because generic drugs like hydroxychloroquine and ivermectin are very common there to treat tropical diseases.   Fair play to the brave people in South Africa’s Ministerial Advisory Committee (MAC) for calling out the SARS‑CoV‑2  “pandemic” for the genocidal criminal fraud it is.   I pray that these people in the MAC are aware… Read more »

Think Harder
Think Harder
4 years ago
Reply to  Anonymous

“he has heard reports that up to 71 African government ministers”
That sounds too anecdotal to be useful although I would not be surprised. Certainly, there have been suspicious deaths reported although the MSM didn’t think them suspicious.

Anonymous
Anonymous
4 years ago
Reply to  Think Harder

Dr Peter A. McCullough is under great pressure from the “vaccine” promoters in the US. He has been “cancelled” by major medical institutions that formerly he worked with and was closely associated with. He’s also under threat from huge legal expenses, all stemming from his stance against the “vaccines”.

The reason I point this out: This doctor doesn’t make any claims or statements that he can’t cite or reference to a reliable source. Any chance at all, and the “vaccine” promoters will pounce on him, all with the financial backing of the federal government.

So, when Dr Peter A. McCullough says he’s been informed that up to 71 politicians have been murdered across Africa, this information comes from a reliable source.

In some cases he can not go public with his sources, as this would leave them open to attack by the “vaccine” promoters. And also give them an extra advantage in their attempts to bring himself down.

186NO
186NO
4 years ago
Reply to  Anonymous

For me , the acid test for professional people during this scam – the wider WEF/Gatesian/Fauci led scam too – is what have they to gain versus what have to lose from going public with their knowledge/experience – and is their information theory based or backed up with citable evidence.

Not the most involved or difficult process – but the diminution of their professional careers, denigration of their standing is disgraceful. But, one other indicator is who is doing the hatcheting – that leaves a trail and where does it go – QED.

One other test is – despite the personal attacks , do these people “keep going” – Yes, they do; once more QED.

I am not a conspiracy theorist; however, the malign influence of Big Pharma/Gates/GAVI/WHO/Wellcome/Zuckerberg/Google is too apparent to ignore.

Arfur Mo
Arfur Mo
4 years ago
Reply to  Think Harder

Murdered as in died conveniently of covid as determenied by a PCR test with cycle count ramped up to 50?

1 May 2021 Why have so many African leaders died of COVID-19? | BMJ Global Health

BloJo was against the deemed lockdown etc until he too conveniently came down with covid, released from hospital after 3-4 days?

Hospital 5 April 2020 … 3rd night in ICU 8 April … leaved ICU 9 April 2020 …. that was a remarkably quick turnaround.

Chris_uk
4 years ago

I don’t suppose there is a cat in hell’s chance of our SAGE suggesting anything as sensible as this, but it is really good to see and very encouraging.

grob1234
grob1234
4 years ago
Reply to  Chris_uk

It is.
Will be interesting to see how long it takes until big brother suggests corrective action….

Anonymous
Anonymous
4 years ago
Reply to  grob1234

HMP Five Wells, a new mega prison in Wellingborough, Northamptonshire, will be ready to take it first prisoner in January, 2022.

Perhaps, corrective action will begin then? 

Milo
Milo
4 years ago
Reply to  Chris_uk

I’m sure Trusted News Initiative has people working on it as we speak seeking to discredit it and say that it doesn’t apply to UK and is work of conspiracy theorists yada yada yada

PatrickF
PatrickF
4 years ago

Yes, the panic is unnecessary, but it’s all about Agenda 30.

Viv
Viv
4 years ago

Ah – but that’s simple logic which our SAGEs and doom-modellers will of course refute, with the usual: they’re all young in SA so it’s different and we trust our models be they ever so wrong’.

Will Tedros now demand SA be kicked out of the WHO? Will Fauci cancel all US monetary support to SA medical and especially Covid research? Will GAVI now stop handing out covid vaccines to SA?
Hm. A difficult decision for the Covid global dilators, isn’t it!

crisisgarden
4 years ago

This is extremely telling. Or rather it’s extremely telling in the version of reality we live in. Unfortunately neither the lawmakers nor the majority of people live in that reality 🙁

grob1234
grob1234
4 years ago

Meanwhile in Scotland… essentially lockdown

Rogerborg
4 years ago
Reply to  grob1234

Really? Don’t know, don’t care, won’t know, won’t care.

RW
RW
4 years ago
Reply to  grob1234

Once upon a time in the past, I considered moving to Scotland as England isn’t always the nicest place for foreigners. But thankfully, Nicola Sturgeon made it clear that Scotland is always the worst place for anyone before it could get to that.

smithey
4 years ago
Reply to  RW

Same here. I will not go anywhere near the place now. Sturgeon is turning it into a communist failed state.

realarthurdent
4 years ago
Reply to  RW

I’m an expat Scot with family there but I won’t be going back until there is a change of regime. Sad, but I don’t want to contribute any money to the Scottish economy any more.

186NO
186NO
4 years ago
Reply to  realarthurdent

How have we come to a state that you are driven to that conclusion – dreadful; apartheid in all but name.

But then, that is what Marxist/Leninist imperialists want, is it not?

A reset that is anything but “Great”.

DanClarke
DanClarke
4 years ago
Reply to  RW

Its weird, she wants to remain in the EU with its open borders, but can’t get that so turning it into a marxist state where no one can go anywhere, ie an extremist

RW
RW
4 years ago
Reply to  DanClarke

At present, the only borders the people who think the EU is a great institution still want to keep open are those accross supposedly illegal immigration is happening or could be happening.

186NO
186NO
4 years ago
Reply to  RW

We considered the exact same thing, but because we are English, we put that idea into the bin marked “rubbish”, because of the “Thoughts of Chairman Sturgeon” poisoning of the polyglot melting plot psyche.

186NO
186NO
4 years ago
Reply to  186NO

Sorry, doing too many things at once – melting pot…but then again melting plot might cut it too…

Anonymous
Anonymous
4 years ago

I mentioned in a previous comment that the globalists behind the SARS‑CoV‑2 genocidal fraud are murderous thugs that will stop at nothing in order to install their one-world governance.   People need to be getting ready mentally and physically for where this is going. All pointers so far tell us we are at that place with the totalitarians that the Russians were at in circa 1910.     In any given society about 33% of the population will unquestionably follow and obey an authoritarian government’s dictates. About another 33% will question these dictates and disagree with them, but, nonetheless, these people will ultimately obey them.   The last (about) 33% will see the authoritarian government and its dictates for what they are, and refuse to follow or obey.   A host of research and surveys done by psychologists all point to these figures being fairly correct.   Then you take a society like the UK and you add a couple of foreign demographics with their own unique cultures. And then sow discord between them and the native population.   Think in the UK how you can watch TV in a town which is 98% White naïve British, but yet 99% of… Read more »

Rogerborg
4 years ago

The Ministerial Advisory Committee didn’t kill themselves.

Too soon?

Arfur Mo
Arfur Mo
4 years ago
Reply to  Rogerborg

Two stabs in the back of the head, with the syringes locked away in the glove compartment of their car – Covidicide.

Dodgy Geezer
Dodgy Geezer
4 years ago

Overheard while having a coffee in MoD Main Building:

“They’re protesting against LAWs (Lethal Autonomous Weapons – ‘killer robots’) again….”

“Ah… do you think it would make any difference if we said they would only be used against the unvaccinated?”

Arfur Mo
Arfur Mo
4 years ago
Reply to  Dodgy Geezer

Today’s vaccinated is tomorrow’s unvaccinated.

Moderate Radical
4 years ago

This has more than likely already been shared on these forums (it’s nearly a day old now), but I’ve only just got round to watching it. So for those who haven’t seen it yet, Paul Joseph Watson annihilates the narrative in under 8 minutes. This is him at his best:

https://youtu.be/hYzXjFsIcGw

isobar
4 years ago

Brilliant!

RW
RW
4 years ago

There’s another implication: When the vast majority of infections is never detected, the disease must be harmless. Otherwise, people would get seriously ill which would be noticed.

Meanwhile, in the United Kingdom of London and Westminster plus some associated bits of much less important countryside: We can’t wait for hospitalisations to rise – England needs a circuit breaker now! demands Christina Pagel, director of the Statistic-based Bullshitting Applied to Health Care unit at University College London. Because, even for the most harmless disease, treating sick people costs money and that’s dreadful or catastrophic.
In contrast to this, mistreating healthy people doesn’t cost the NHS anything.

Should be an easy choice then.

smithey
4 years ago
Reply to  RW

Also, treating people will mean that our poor doctors and nurses might have to, horror of horrors, break off from making tic toc videos and demanding another massive pay rise.

RW
RW
4 years ago
Reply to  smithey

I’d be careful blaming this on actual NHS frontline staff. Most of this will be decent, (reasonably) hardworking people doing an often very unpleasant job which has to be done. IMHO, the rotten part sits two or three layers atop of these, presumably the more rotten the closer it gets to the top.

TheyLiveAndWeLockdown
4 years ago
Reply to  RW

In my humble experience there’s plenty of shite on the frontline too.

RW
RW
4 years ago

With people, there alway is. But that’s still a difference to the institutional shite which exists at the level where people are making (or would like to make) general health policy decisions.

186NO
186NO
4 years ago
Reply to  RW

You can also tell the “rotten” cadre of people – they’re the ones who don’t/ ever pull on gowns or inhabit operating theatres without a clipboard in hand.

Arfur Mo
Arfur Mo
4 years ago
Reply to  186NO

The dreaded checkbox syndrome.

Arfur Mo
Arfur Mo
4 years ago
Reply to  RW

Whitty publicly stated the disease was harmless to the great majority back in May 2020. I wonder if he either i) ‘mis-spoke’ against the deemed narrative or ii) was ‘encouraged’ to recant and go along with the imposition of fascism.

186NO
186NO
4 years ago
Reply to  Arfur Mo

He also faces just as serious a “charge” by appearing on the NHS “Booster ads” and stating that ( not verbatim) …”Getting a booster/vaccinated is the best possible protection against the virus/variant” – he then goes on to state that everyone should get a “booster”.

So without seeing the patient , he gives medical advice; he does not ensure “informed consent” is made available and he provides no cited references to back up his statement. As a NHS Consultant Physician he surely cannot be allowed to get away with that – he would have the greatest difficulty in proving that statement in any court – the witnesses for the prosecution would shred him.

So how do you complain about his abandonment of the “do no harm” code of conduct he abides by – or doesn’t?