The Rebel Alliance
We at the Daily Sceptic, and countless others across the nation, are forever thankful to the Rebel Alliance, a contingent of House of Commons heroes who saw through the Government’s fearmongering, and voted against the introduction of vaccine passports. Although their efforts were in vain, their defiance shall not be forgotten. 127 MPs stood against the motion, and their names, accompanied by their party affiliation, can be found here, but are also listed below.
Conservative (100 including two tellers):
Adam Afriyie
Lee Anderson
Shaun Bailey
Siobhan Baillie
Steve Baker
Harriett Baldwin
John Baron
Scott Benton
Bob Blackman
Peter Bone
Ben Bradley
Karen Bradley
Sir Graham Brady
Andrew Bridgen
Steve Brine
Miriam Cates
Sir Christopher Chope
Brendan Clarke-Smith
Sir Geoffrey Clifton-Brown
Tracey Crouch
Philip Davies
David Davis
Dehenna Davison
Jonathan Djanogly
Jackie Doyle-Price (teller)
Richard Drax
Sir Ian Duncan Smith
Tobias Ellwood
Dr. Liam Fox
Louie French
Richard Fuller
Marcus Fysh
Nusrat Ghani
Jo Gideon
Chris Grayling
Chris Green
Damian Green
James Grundy
Robert Halfon
Stephen Hammond
Mark Harper
Sir John Hayes
Philip Hollobone (teller)
Adam Holloway
Tom Hunt
Mark Jenkinson
David Jones
Simon Jupp
Alicia Kearns
Julian Knight
Sir Greg Knight
Robert Largan
Andrea Leadsom
Sir Edward Leigh
Andrew Lewer
Dr. Julian Lewis
Pauline Latham
Chris Loder
Mark Logan
Jonathan Lord
Tim Loughton
Craig Mackinlay
Anthony Mangnall
Karl McCartney
Stephen McPartland
Esther McVey
Stephen Metcalfe
Damien Moore
Robbie Moore
Anne Marie Morris
Holly Mumby-Croft
Sir Robert Neill
Dr. Matthew Offord
Mark Pawsey
Sir Mike Penning
John Penrose
Andrew Percy
Tom Randall
John Redwood
Laurence Robertson
Andrew Rosindell
Gary Sambrook
Bob Seely
Greg Smith
Henry Smith
Dr. Ben Spencer
Jane Stevenson
John Stevenson
Julian Sturdy
Sir Desmond Swayne
Sir Robert Syms
Derek Thomas
Craig Tracey
Tom Tugendhat
Theresa Villers
Christian Wakeford
Sir Charles Walker
David Warburton
Giles Watling
William Wragg
Labour (8):
Diane Abbott
Apsana Begum
Dawn Butler
Emma Lewell-Buck
Clive Lewis
Rebecca Long Bailey
Bell Ribeiro-Addy
Graham Stringer
Liberal Democrat (10):
Alistair Carmichael
Wendy Chamberlain
Daisy Cooper
Tim Farron
Sarah Green
Wera Hobhouse
Christine Jardine
Layla Moran
Sarah Olney
Munira Wilson
Green (1):
Caroline Lucas
DUP (6):
Sir Jeffrey Donaldson
Paul Girvan
Carla Lockhart
Ian Paisley
Jim Shannon
Sammy Wilson
Independent (2):
Jeremy Corbyn
Rob Roberts
Find out how to contact your MP here, and even if your local MP was not part of the Rebel Alliance, we encourage our readers to write to any parliamentarians who were to thank them for their vote.
Update: Sir Desmond Swayne has confirmed he voted against the measures, taking the total to 127 MPs and 100 Conservatives. He was initially put down as an abstention owing to an “error in the voting lists”. Pauline Latham was also initially omitted, while Luke Evans was included though he also voted for the measure so effectively abstained.
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I had almost forgotten what living in a democracy felt like. Hats off to them, better late than never.
They lost by a massive margin! Nothing to cheer about.
But there’s a glimmer of hope that there’s a change in the mood!
The real problem is the Rotten Labour Party.
Starmer calls the shots by proxy – he has given us vaccine passports with Johnson as his stooge.
The Tories should be ashamed of themselves to allow this. As for Labour MPs – shame on all but a few Corbynites.
I agree totally – Starmer is an appalling man. However, the majority of Tory MPs have been complicit in this irrational charade.
Aren’t they always?
Like enough they are a problem for themselves. It is perfectly possible the English party could go the way of Scottish Labour. It must be hard for them to win when so many of them appear to despise their core vote of the English working class. Remember Strood? Emily Thornberry? I just hope their traditional supporters turn to some form of freedom party (which is essentially what the current government were seen to be way back in 2019. Little did we know…).
Starmer is a Blair Babe. Johnson knows this. They are using each other to please the Evil Regime that wants to run the world. Johnson will go when the Globalists decide it’s time and the election will be rigged in favour of their next stooge.
The biggest shame is that so many people would rather vote for the same evil than they would spend time creating something really worthwhile.
I am beginning to realise that our Creator intended this to happen in order the weak and feeble can be culled whilst the free thinkers can grow and develop the future of humanity. We have become a danger to the universe with our selfishness, stupidity and greed. War, destruction and control have been a theme of the last years of human evolution. We have wasted the opportunities given to us. The planet needs a new beginning
Absolutely agree.
But we must ensure we remain human, not trans human ie jabbed with the gene altering toxin.
I would also welcome the jabbed who are against compulsion – there are many millions of them also.
Spot on – At the time of this post you get 40 downticks for stating the bleedin’ obvious and then 106 upticks for stating..the bleedin’ obvious.
The vote WAS lost by a very big margin folks; no fan of Corbyn but he is “right” on this issue.
This underlines yet again, for me if no one else, how political parties are “Dead Entities” – cannot see how people think these restrictions are anything other than the exercise of despotic undemocratic control freaky – “it aint about health”
We are now governed under an Emergency Powers Enabling Act ( like Nazi Germany from 1934 on) voted by this stupid Parliament and “Spaffer”Johnson has the odious Starmer minding his back while he does what he pleases- where is this ‘glimmer of hope’?
This vote is catastrophe, Johnson and Starmer have created a One Party State and trashed the few ‘real’ Conservatives who honour their election promises – all 99 of them.
Despicable Labour is a party of ignorant, frightened, hysterical rabbits – selling out the country and their own voters.
The glimmer of hope is provided by about 20% of MPs voting against this.
Every movement has to have a start – today’s revolt might well be the beginning of one.
It is about 3 x more opposition than there was towards all the other evil insane covid legislation
Germany 1934? Hmm. Let me see… remind me what did happen there after 1934.
Shh you can’t say things like that.
It’s too late. This was it, this was the only vote that ever mattered.
Social credit score apps are the end of all dissent against the Party, and most MPs are demonstrably Inner Party.
Game over, man. Game over.
Hmm: I really hope so, but when will these easy protests turn into positive actions? Why, for instance, has the 1922 committee not yet received 99+ letters? And why are any of them still in the Conservative Party?
The fact that they stood collectively against this assault upon our democracy does need to be recognized, applauded…and thanked.
“I prefer liberty with danger to peace with slavery.” – Jean-Jacques Rousseau
‘Live free or die’
The New Hampshire state motto.
I never thought it was very relevant until today.
You really don’t notice your freedom until it’s disappearing before your very eyes.
Precisely. There is a reason the US has a Constitution and a Bill of Rights, including its much defamed 2nd amendment.
A Constitution currently under serious treat from the Marxist Democrats and their cerebrally challenged ‘President’!
Millionaire ‘woke’ corporatists I think, not Marxists.
China today seems more fascist than communist. It has close ties between ‘the party’ and the billionaire class. The Soviet Union didn’t allow a billionaire class although party members still had a very comfortable life.
I don’t know which is worse. However, I do know I don’t want either.
Who knows what to call them all these days?
Try Faucist Globalists with Eugenicist tendencies and a touch of anti-white racism??
The forces of evil?
Italy’s fascists were mostly former Communists. And there was always a fair bit of nationalism iin the SU’s socialists. Two cheeks…
John Adams was utterly correct with his profound statement regarding the Constitution:
‘But should the People of America, once become capable of that deep…simulation towards one another and towards foreign nations, which assumes the Language of Justice and moderation while it is practicing Iniquity and Extravagance; and displays in the most captivating manner the charming Pictures of Candour frankness & sincerity while it is rioting in rapine and Insolence: this Country will be the most miserable Habitation in the World. Because We have no Government armed with Power capable of contending with human Passions unbridled by…morality and Religion. Avarice, Ambition… Revenge or Galantry, would break the strongest Cords of our Constitution as a Whale goes through a Net. Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious People. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.’ (My bold)
https://founders.archives.gov/documents/Adams/99-02-02-3102
The US Constitution is being trampled on and disregarded by a people with no moral foundation, no love for God and his laws, no love for objective truth, for what is objectively good and right.
Adams knew this could happen at any given time.
Didn’t freemasons have something to do with that constitution?
Your point being…?
I wonder if they’ll manage to steal the next presidential election…
We used to have a Bill of Rights.
But they stopped teaching history decades ago.
You have to not be scared of dying
Im not scared of dying, but I want my kids to live
Yes! Lets live while we are alive!
Not really, 154 MPs abstained/did not register a vote. If only they had the courage of their convictions. My useless Labour MP voted for although she voted against mandatory vaccines for health care workers earlier in the year. Bloody hypocrite.
59 Scottish and 40 Welsh members don’t vote on devolved issues – I was glad to be told this yesterday on here.
That leaves 55 relevant abstentions, no where near enough to have made a difference to the result.
To abstain from a vote as important and life-changing as this is surely cowardice in the extreme. They are the lowest of the low.
Nothing to cheer about, but credit to those who did stand up to this. The majority who voted for apartheid must be remembered as beyond the pale.
NEVER NEVER NEVER GIVE UP!!!
An agreement made between the parties beforehand.
Charlatans, the lot of them.
Come on, we’re glass half full people around here aren’t we?
It was the act of rebellion I was referring too, not the winning or losing.
The Conservatives need to embrace the sceptic position, eliminate all restrictions permanently and bring this corona crisis to an end. The country will not only follow them but cheer them.
14th December, 2021. The day liberty died in England.
Never mind. PAPERS PLEASE!
Those heroes who voted against the Johnson regime now need to force a no-confidence vote against him.
Get him out and take his stinking, rotten SAGE committee with him.
Be careful what you wish for, once he is gone we will more than likely end up with someone much worse.
True. But this can’t go on for evermore.
I think Boris Johnson is doing his best to protect us from the worst excesses of covidianism, but I get the feeling he is trapped. If he were to be more liberal and less oppressive, he would be removed. I think we should try to keep him where he is.
is he fuck
always excuses for boris
the only thing liberal about Boris is the Johnson in his trousers.
You have evidently only recently arrived in the UK; his “best” is being ignorant in not taking the advice of experts in Virology, Epidemiology and vaccine development and and allowing some truly evil people to dictate to him what SARS COV2 represents as far as their separate agenda is concerned.
“I think we should try to keep him where he is”
What – to do even greater damage than he has inflicted already?
I get (and share, to an extent) the worry that he could be replaced by someone worse, but that someone would at least see that there’s a price to be paid for going down this route. Not punishing authoritarianism just encourages more of it.
On the other hand, being forced out probably wouldn’t be too much of a punishment for those who will be rewarded in other ways for putting the interests of the people of the country far below the interests of people who can reward with cushy jobs.
This is a post I made under an article this morning:
“What are your views on the most likely and the most desirable of these scenarios associated with the Tory backbench ‘rebellion’?
A) Nothing changes
B) Further measures are less severe to avoid the size of the rebellion increasing
C) Johnson is replaced
D) The government falls
E) Something else, please specify
…or is it all irrelevant as the agenda will be taken forward whatever?”
Given the pretty desperate circumstances I regarded B as the most desirable and am quite pleasantly surprised at the number of rebels who voted no.
The key thing is that the notable rebels, e.g. Baker, Harper and Brady, exploit any leverage they now have to the maximum.
I listened to a little of the debate, couldn’t stomach much more, but it is still very striking how just about every MP feels it encumbent on them to praise the ‘safe and effective’ vaccines.
I think perhaps politics for the people is impossible with this level of infiltration by big pharma and the like.
Isn’t it weird that Labour continue to vote FOR a conservative leader that they traditionally vote against. Is it because Boris is actually in full Labour mode ? Throwing out time honoured conservative principles ? Yet the REBELLION is here. Even my very middle of the road MP Derek Thomas voted against this. Believe me he’s very dyed in the wool traditionalist so even he has crossed the rubicon here.
The traditionalist are onside – May’s Tory MPs would probably have thrown this out – it’s the New Intake of Globalists.
Where was May’s vote by the way?
Nevertheless some respected Tory Big Names on this list – who has Johnson got Hancock, Javid Patel and Shapps, Zahawi, Gove and…Truss?
The ‘Lightweight Legion’ of jobsworth cronies?
Blairites aka New Labour, nothing like old labour
It’s the uniparty.
Related; this link was posted on the site yesterday iirc:
https://www.conservativewoman.co.uk/why-will-so-few-tories-rebel-on-plan-b-today/
God bless them, every one.
History will vindicate them.
Once we win and I write the history.
Thank you to Nusrat Ghani MP for Wealden.
Thanks to Esther McVey and Philip Davies and….surprise, Tobias Ellwood!
And thank you to John Redwood MP for Wokingham (our local council but unfortunately our actual MP is the East Reading labour guy 🙄)
How about not only writing to our MPs who voted against these Satanic documents and thanking them, but also writing to those who voted FOR these evil things to the effect that:
YOU are a Traitor.
YOU have torn up everything that this country traditionally stood for
YOU have insulted and spat on those who fought and died for our freedoms.
YOU have no part in a Remembrance Service.
GET OUT!
Don’t bother. They could report you to the police.
Yes you can just see them racing to interview those who were to do so for reasons of “Hate” crimes whilst ignoring every other crime category they say they do not have the resources to deal with….
I have thanked John Redwood on his diary – https://johnredwoodsdiary.com/ (awaiting moderation, guess he will have a busy day sorting out all the comments)
Thank you James cleverly for doing exactly what I expected. You ****!
The magic of an mRNA prick in a dark room brings forth a
manurgently needed at this moment in time.Rapturous applause in the House as our clone walks to the moshpit to address the nation..
I give you.. Boris-Starmer..
Boresturmer. Classic!
Hahaha, brilliant! A much needed smile for the evening.
Above is al list of the only decent MPs in our Parliament who should form the rump of a Freedom Party we could all support . Interesting -if ironic- to see the core Corbynites among them.
The rest are unworthy and unfit to represent the people. whose basic rights and freedoms they clearly despise.
Corbyn has probably voted against party lines more than any other serving MP – so no great surprise to see him on there. Even easier to do so as an independent.
It does make you wonder if Long-Bailey would have made a better opposition leader than Starmer or if she’s only opposing to be seen as divergent. Although almost anyone would make a better opposition leader than Starmer granted.
Starmer was groomed for the role – he is the perfect WEF stooge.
I don’t think it’s that ironic. The ‘old left’ were mostly democratic socialists and believed in individual freedom. Many were anti-EU, opposed global capitalism and were pleased that we left, just as the Tory right were, for different reasons – i.e. national autonomy and making decisions at the local or individual level.
Bring back the Old Left – Tony Benn will be turning in his grave with this vote.
What’s he doing badly exactly, from his point of view? The Karens think he is exhibiting mature leadership, in sharp contrast to the reckless libertarian Boris. He puts nothing at risk but sees a sharp poll lead from the Tories unforced errors. Easy job if you can get it.
You Swedish?
Worst opposition leader from a covid-sceptical standpoint. Whether his political games lead to any personal glory I also highly doubt. I do find it ironic that he recently claimed to not be playing political games whilst consigning the poorest members of society to misery playing his long political game. But most of Labour’s recent poll gains are from Tories defecting elsewhere rather than to Labour. They likely have too many other problems to win an election regardless who is in charge.
And I’m British but live in Stockholm.
It’s time for mass non-compliance. Particularly by the taxpayers.
Dream on.
Okay, what are your solutions then?
a lot of us probably are due to be paying on 31 January. any ideas about being disruptive without ending up with paying in addition interest at a high rate.
yes, happy to consider a tax protest a bit like the poll tax protests
I think we have to accept that penalties will be imposed
The state has made a fine art out of controlling us through fines
Another net thats being drawn ever tighter and which needs to be challenged
property rights are another pillar of liberal democracy along with individual liberties
it could be argued that endless fines for petty things are a form of state coercion and appropriation of property
we could all go to court as is our right to only be fined in court.
yes, I think that is a good plan
Given the government has no need of your tax, then why do you think it will have any effect?
Tax is just garbage collection. It’s taken from you rather than being left with you as savings so you don’t get the urge to spend it and cause inflation.
And how do you think that will do any good?
Government has no need of your tax. They only take it from you so you have no opportunity to spend it. If they could somehow know you wouldn’t spend it, they wouldn’t need to take it.
Thank you Caroline Lucas.
I am so grateful that you are standing up to these dystopian totalitarian measures. Thank you so much, it cannot be easy.
I have been so frightened today. I do not want myself or my children to be coerced or forced into these mrna vaccines against our will. I am very frightened of what these vaccines could do to us as we are very allergic to all sorts of things. Politically, forcing or coercing medical treatments on the population again and again is terrifying.
126 MPs is a great start. Please keep fighting for our freedoms. We are behind you and will support you. We have to find a way to stop this.
Thnk you again.
Caroline Lucas?
Thanks??
She wants to de- carbonise you. You know what that means?
Yes, I do know what the decarbonisation agenda implies. I dont agree with decarbonisation the way it is being done, especially at the expense of other types of environmental problems, but it is not the end of the world and I do think climate change concerns come from a good place, even if some of it is ill informed or misguided. I think we all share the values of trying to make a healthy planet for everyone, so I can completely understand why she stands up for environmental issues. We had an incredible Western liberal democracy, but economic neoliberalism and corporate capitalism brought intractable problems with it: Severe environmental degradation of various kinds The breakdown of strong families and communities The devastation of small business…. I could go on, but these are central. These are complex problems. I believe most people standing up for green agendas have good motives. We can agree to disagree on our approaches to trying to solve these difficult problems. FAR MORE IMPORTANT however: Today Caroline Lucas stood against tyranny For that I thank her. These 126 MPs have given me a glimmer of hope on a very dark day. Vaccine passports? Coerced medical treatments? My… Read more »
Great post, well said.
Please refer to the comment above
No.
thank you! whats wrong with aleajacast??
“Whats wrong with Aleajactaest” ? (You can’t even spell the name correctly.)
Perhaps she/he understands far better that the “Climate Change” agenda has the same scientific validity as the response to a chimeric GoF enhanced SARS COV2 (the components of which Baric confirmed were from animals, themselves not zoonotically transmissable) to create a transmissable and pathogenic virus to infect humans that they could “cure” by mRNA cell gene editing therapies which have spectacularly failed, that is being “identified” by a fraudulent process otherwise known as RT-PCR mass testing.
If you are comfortable with that as you eat your salads grown in greenhouses with enhanced CO2 to boost plant growth, so be it.
“Ever been had?”
What a load of bollocks waffle.
Edit.
Apologies, re-read.
Climate guff is guff. Thin end of the wedge.
However, you have my right shoulder and sword in support insofar as fighting this WEF Global Reset.
probably a bit over your head
nah, just brighter than you.
environmental degradation is a symptom of bureaucracy.
Just look at communist pollution.
Boris Jonson is the real decarboniser and yes we do know what that means, yes we really do.
Fuckwit
please dont be rude, its completely unnecessary
thank you for your re-edit alejacast! I can agree, my climate stuff is a bit waffly
happy to draw swords together with you against the tyranny!
for some reason I couldnt get the reply thing to work on your post
Ladies and gentlemen I give you the opposition
Makes you wonder if Johnson and Starmer could get together in a new party, CNSP, Communitarian National Socialist Party, they could have a hypodermic syringe across a face mask as their emblem above the slogan ‘Keep Safe’, what’s not to like?
It would have to have the words “Globalist Reset ” in it to please Gates and Schwab – the real Spielmeisters ( with a nod to Vaccine supremo “Mr Untouchable” Fauci).
Sorry, no. The idea of a Volk (German singular of what would be peoples in English) as naturally existing, solidaric community of ethnically related people is certainly alien to both. The name should rather be LDPP, Liberal & Democratic Progressive People’s Party, to emphasise what they’re most opposed to, the emblem should be a QR code encoding the web address of the NHS COVID-19 app and the motto Masks back better!
I’d go for CCP, ‘Centrist Crony Party’; and although I have a much better idea for that middle C I fear the Electoral Commission won’t wear it.
I don’t know, I think they would be comfortable with Collaborationists….
Associated
Rent
Seeking
Establishment
Party
Heroes. In the states AFLDS is opening its first medical clinic in the coming months, with many more planned shortly after. We are going to lose thousands of nhs staff after they the NHS and government have finished with them next year.
Liberty is safer in the hands of Jeremy Corbyn, Caroline Lucas, Diane Abbott, Tim Farron and Clive Lewis than in the hands of Jacob Rees-Mogg.
I’ve often found myself baying with the mob @ Dianne Abbott. For this (and the other times too ) I will never laugh at her again.
It does now seem so – Mogg especially should be re-interred in Highgate where he clearly belongs. All that phoney guff about the Constitution – just flim flam flannel from yet another “entitled” Millionaire, who whimsically floats above our reality
The worst kind of Uncle Pennybags from the Monopoly boardgame…
Cretin
Have DS regulars recognised the “lib/lab/con tricksters suddenly appearing?
whats your solution?
https://youtu.be/DgxZr6LLS34
prescient
Unless I can’t read Data cases are down 4 days in a row and 5 out of the last 6 days.
Unless I can’t understand English. Chris Whitty went on record to MP’s today to confirm that the “vaccines” don’t stop transmission.
Unless he is completely wrong, Tobias Ellwood said today on national Radio that there was two more years of this and get ready for jab 3,4,5 & 6 etc.
Unless I am confused, the guy who procured the vaccines has written an article in today’s Telegraph to say transmission was never part of the tender Design and that the booster programme is illegitimate and wrong.
… So unless I am really really wrong. The entire current narrative was demolished today, yes in a single day. But they passed Mandatory Vaccination, mandatory masks and Vaccine passports. Is this democracy?
Clearly it has as much to do with health as Roman institutional slavery.
Yes indeed.
But a Roman slave could at least dream of manumission – not the “next booster jab” towards a fantasy never to arrive “freedom”1
Dream being the operative word.
do you think there is no hope then?
Its like they accepted shares and now can’t unshare
Well, I’ll never be stepping into a venue that requires me to show my Vaccination status. I am exempt ( although curiously that exemption was always due to be removed on 25/12 )
Agreed
The shares are doing very nicely – Pfizer anyone?
My take exactly!
What cretins they are.
Great comment 👏
They have no issue with contradictory positions that should destroy the narrative in the minds of all thinking people.
Take the claim that 75% of the triple-jabbed will experience no symptoms from Omicron. Utter nonsense, of course, since they can’t even give consistent figures for variants that have been around for much longer, but let’s go with it for now. They talk about that figure to justify ramping up the jabbing campaign.
In the same breath, they’re saying that vaccine passports are needed because of that same variant, and that your puncture status can be used as an indicator of risk. In other words, you’re judged to be less likely to spread Omicron if you show proof that you’re a member of a population that is more likely to be out and about while unknowingly infected.
The doublethink apparently doesn’t bother them, or a large proportion (shrinking, but not quickly enough) of the public.
Yes, the official narrative is completely irrational.
I wonder if people dont see the contradictions because the implications of recognising them are tooo terrifying to contemplate.
Its hard to be rational or spot logical inconsistencies when you are terrified.
Fear is one of our biggest enemies in this.
Quite so.
Our future post-Johnson Cabinet can only be selected from these names.
Everyone else, Javid, Truss, Gove, Patel etc have now disqualified themselves.
Just as with Brexit, party lines mean nothing. All that matters is liberty, paid for in blood over centuries of fighting totalitarianism.
Let that sink in.
Agree!
Thank you so very much Jeremy Corbyn. I always felt that you were a good man. I voted for you to become the leader of the Labour party when I was a member. I voted for Labour all my life. I cannot support them now, they now seem to represent a slide into ever more oppressive, controlling, intrusive government. I cannot bear what they stand for now. They do not seem to understand the concept of freedom at all. All they think matters is money and all they want to do is ban things and intrude ever more deeply into our lives. I am so grateful that you are still in Parliament fighting for us and for what you believe in. It cannot have been easy. I am horrified by what is happening to our society… our children and young people especially… I keep paraphrasing George Orwell’s words in my brain when I look out at the sea of dystopian masks: ‘If you want to imagine the future, imagine a mask smothering a human face forever…’ The damage of these measures inflicted on us has already been incalculable and they seem to want to keep it going for the foreseeable… Read more »
Maybe now we know why they (the media, the establishment etc) wanted Corbyn gone so badly. He would’ve been a thorn in their side and may have led an actual opposition – especially on today’s vital vote.
Yes, he was demonised and misrepresented at every turn
Not really – he was anti-EU for years, until he became Labour leader! He then refused to insist that the party honour the Referendum result and proposed a means of reversing that vote!
My abiding memory of Corbyn will always be the photo of him sitting cross-legged on the floor of a train carriage – pretending it was over-crowded when, in fact, there were plenty of seats available (as evidenced by another passenger’s photo!).
He’s also had opportunities to vote against the government before today – and hasn’t taken them! Let’s not pretend he is something he isn’t.
fair points
actually, I wonder…
maybe because the EU vote was so close, he decided to try to find a compromise. I know he believed in consensus as a means of dealing with issues.
in regards to the train, could it be that he sat down when it was crowded and the photos were taken after lots of people got off?? I dont know , I wasnt there.
He probably would have been better than Johnson, though, in dealing with this ‘pandemic’!
And if not, Johnson would probably have been better in opposition. Without actual power, maybe the ostensibly classical liberal Boris Johnson would still be around.
Hmm. Shouldn’t they have left their parties and started a coherent national movement in the Commons by now, with proper leaders, spokesmen, organisation, etc.?
I think this has to be seriously considered now.
I would join ‘The Party’.
Me too – and would vote for the first time in decades, as there would finally be a genuine choice.
But in the medium term the party system and the structure of our democracy needs to be totally torn down and “built back better” with strict rules on financial dealings, spending caps and centrally-funded campaigning to abolish all donations under £10k. MPs and their families also need to hold no shares.
we cant tear the old stuff down, but we can build parallel structures
we cant tear old stuff down, but we can let it rot and build parallel structures
The Lib Dems are the future for me.
Bleak then?
Not as bleak as Labour and the Tories are a lost cause.
That’s what I thought but they seem far from “liberal” or freedom loving. It seems quite clear they would lock down faster and harder, have stricter quarantine requirements and border controls including applying quarantine to all travellers to England regardless of where they come from, supporting more track and trace (with more involvement at local government level) etc. Also they want to “learn from countries that have successfully managed outbreaks of the virus, in particular, Australia, New Zealand…” So far Reform seems to be the best choice for me.
Jacinda is off-the-wall, bat crazy and a pupil of Davos Schwab and Blair – what are they supposed to ‘learn’ from her – would it be ‘How to build Concentration Camps’?
(New Zealand: 6 million people, 26 million sheep – looks like the sheep have it, the sheep have it!)
The ewes have it!
They can ram it!
Manly isn’t just a a suburb of Sydney.
The Lib Dems support more boarder controls?!
Out of 12 LibDem MPs, 10 voted against. The only two exceptions were the leader Ed Davey and the party’s defence spokesman Jamie Stone, who went to Gordonstoun.
How about a leadership challenge?
What kind of “leadership” is that?
Davey – distinctly ‘odd’.
Idiot
I’m having troubled thoughts about this booster push. We saw last year when the vaccine roll-out commenced a huge spike in deaths occurred alongside it. We’ve also seen a continued pattern of this around the world, including high ‘infection’ rates throughout 2021 despite the presence of a vaccine. Yet in 2020, without any vaccine, we saw huge dips in numbers to almost the point of non-existence.
My fear is now with the ‘million boosters per day’ rush, we’re going to see another huge spike in deaths.. and of course, it will be the vaccine that did it – either through adverse effects or a result of reduced immunity.
I’m hoping that isn’t going to be case, but experience unfortunately has taught me to expect the worst..
Also heard on radio 4 thst they are waiving the 15 minute wait after the vaccine, so if anyone has an anaphylactic reaction there wont be any help for them. Horrifying.
A huge spike in deaths will be explained by ‘Our Rebels’ FINALLY, using OUR logic! So there is hope, if they get their act together.
Even in the USA I have read that they normally insist on 15 min. (that’s with a profit-driven healthcare system.)
How’s the US vac programme going, now that a judge has found mandates for the EUA product to be unlawful in all 50 states? Last time I saw a figure it had got to a vacd. proportion of 60-65%, well below the UK.
Bureaucrat driven health systems are even worse.
Try not listening to R4
I like to know what the enemy are thinking
They don’t think – it is not politically correct or woke to think.
well then, I will rephrase: how the enemy are presenting their propaganda
That should be easy enough.
They want to get them off the premises before they drop to avoid responsibility!
that makes sense
Yes, they wouldn’t want the NHS to be “overwhelmed”!
No chance of that – they play snap at Nursing stations!
If there is an HNS ‘crisis it will be because thousands of staff have walked and others will be walking rather than face violation of their inalienable Human Right to refuse vaccination under Javid’s Vax Tyranny. After all they have watched ‘the vax’ at work for nearly a year and may have their own views on the outcome.
The Johnson Gang need to disguise this disaster they are deliberately causing in the NHS ( with the eager help of course of the servile NHS management, who have been on-side with this two year nightmare from the outset).
The truth is what has really been happening in our hospitals has been a State Secret for nearly two years – all we get is Management and Government propaganda, with no independent means of verification. (Images of ‘fake’ Covid patients ( in hospital beds at death’s door’) played by actors have appeared in social media. We all remember the Government Hammer Horror ventilator TV ads!
Anecdotal accounts and whiste-blowers present a very different picture of NHS hospitals being ‘overwhelmed’ from the one dominating the ‘official’ narrative.
It beggars belief that this is the excuse trotted out for every totalitarian dystopian measure they have implemented and to so many people it makes perfect sense. Every morning when I wake up with a shock and I wonder if I have stepped through the looking glass into a completely alien world. I genuinely cannot comprehend how people can see it that way. i consider it to be failure of my imagination.
I was saying to my son yesterday, when they were overwhelmed with casualties in the 1st world war, they trained up lots of volunteer nurses and dealt with it.
Why are we so much more useless at logistics?
Why were the Nightingale hospitals closed? Wouldn’t they have taken care of the so-called wave?
exactly
its these irrational actions by the government that give me the chills
Surely this ‘huge spike in deaths’ is what we are all waiting for ? After all it has been predicted by world respected virologists for a year and could stretch into th future
The issue is how they will seek to disguise the cause of death again not the actual numbers.
How come “eugenics” and its fashionability among well known billionaire families for over a century is rarely discussed?
They’ll disguise it by claiming they are Covid deaths – and they’ll blame the unvaccinated.
But how will they do that if the unjabbed are still healthy, surely it would prove that the vaccine is dangerous?
“Shedding” of pathogenic spike proteins by the vaccinated can infect the un-jabbed.
Do you think that the government and all the state agencies have been remotely honest about the data over the past 20 months? Even now, the unvaccinated are being blamed by certain politicians for taking up NHS spaces that would otherwise, supposedly have gone to cancer patients, etc! The whole narrative is based on lies – and they will continue to lie as it suits them.
The MSM will support this propaganda, too!
There you have it – this is pure Evil and needs calling out!
No-one in the Media dares to go near!
Its worth commenting about this on all the mainstream media sites, especially the Guardianas you have a direct line of communication with terrified covidians.
Just be careful how you put things though. I was banned last year for saying we should let the young catch Covid to stop them being vectors of transmission. I had commented on there for about 10 years before that.
The Guardian as
When I asked the moderators why I was banned, they said millions read the Guardian blogs and that therefore what was said there was very influential. So we should contribute there as much as we can.
The mainstream media have most of it stitched up, but not the comments.
Questions are a good way to go
if the adverse effects rises along with the vaccines it will be impossible to not recognise the correlation.
it is illegitimate to booster young people when this will totally result in those who might be at increased risk being pushed back. And besides. Why would anyone need an additional vaccine when there is zero evidence that they stop working ? And don’t affect transmission.
I’m hoping that isn’t going to be case, but experience unfortunately has taught me to expect the worst.
You are right to expect the worst and that spike in deaths, which will have been deliberately created by the corrupt government, will be used as reason to tighten the Covid screws down still further.
So we have to get the truth out to people in a way that they can take on board
I wonder if those who voted against the restrictions are simply po liar ticians who draw the short straws for the continuing charade that we mere mortals call democracy…and the whole thing was a fait accompli. (just a thought)..
My MP voted against and his voting record for many years shows a pattern of this, so maybe not all of them are continuing the democracy charade
I think MPs of the left or right, like Jeremy Corbyn, Clive Lewis, David Davis and Chris Chope have principles and have shown this in their past voting records. We need more like them, even if they don’t agree with each other.
I know one backbench Tory MP who claims to belong to the Covid Recovery Group, yet voted for the govt.
There are 123 Ministerial posts, so unless they have a desire to earn less (well 109 of them are actually paid) they follow the Whip. So the interesting consideration would be how many ministers voted “no”. If none, then the Whip did the job and the true rebellion might be 50-100% higher.
Diane Abbott and Jeremy Corbyn – yeah! Unexpected and very nice to hear!
I know this is heresy for many, but I quite like these two.
I didn’t but I do now, I clearly underestimated them.
“Oh, Jeremy Corbyn…” I know he wasn’t really PM material but imagine how different things could be if the 2017 election had swung a little more his way!
I lost faith in MSM during his time as leader of labour and have lost faith in the labour party since. I now have very little faith in anything, except my seemingly robust immune system – no jabs, no mask, contact with 100s of kids daily and never a sniffle!
Hey ho! Onwards and upwards!
“imagine how different things could be if the 2017 election had swung a little more his way!” Probably worse. Best not to get too carried away over these MPs voting against the worst excesses of the covid panic. Remember many of them have supported or even actively pushed the panic from the beginning. If this vote is a sign that they are repentant and coming to understand the damage they have done, fine, its a start. But I’m not counting those chickens yet. As for Corbyn, never forget that when it mattered he was a zero covid loon, along with five others of today’s eight Labour rebels: Socialist Campaign Group Calls for Urgent New Strategy to Save Lives . #ZeroCovid #Covid19UK Signed by Diane Abbott MP Tahir Ali MP Apsana Begum MP Christine Blower, House of Lords Pauline Bryan, House of Lords Richard Burgon MP Dawn Butler MP Ian Byrne MP Dan Carden MP Shami Chakrabarti, House of Lords Katy Clark, House of Lords Jeremy Corbyn MP Bryn Davies, House of Lords Mary Kelly Foy MP John Hendy, House of Lords Ian Lavery MP Rebecca Long-Bailey MP John McDonnell MP Ian Mearns MP Grahame Morris MP Kate Osborne MP Bell… Read more »
I’ve been quite disillusioned with the Lib Dems over the last two years. This is the first time in a while that they’ve voted in line with actual liberal principles.
Hope it’s a trend rather than an anomaly.
Listening to them- just an anomaly.
I’m not sure that’s true. I’ve seen them consistently vote against he extension of the Coronvirus Act and other measures.
OMG all my emails may have had a tiny impact. Damian Green actually voted against. I had written him off as a zero covid zealot based on his replies to me.
My useless twat of an MP (and I’ve written to tell him what a spineless twat he is) voted for. I am looking forward to speaking to him in person.
When you said ‘in person’ I momentarily read it as ‘in prison’.
You never know, Stephanos!
It was a foregone conclusion that the vote would go this way.
A positive: about 20% of MPs and hence maybe 20% of people are actually on our side!
A negative: 80% aren’t.
The size of the rebellion does cheers me up. If we could get our 20% of the population together we could start a reasonably sized country.
I’ll tell you who has really gone down in my estimation. Rees-Mogg. All tweed and no trousers.
Mogg: damp/moist/limp handshake……. say no more.
Yes, lets start a reasonable sized country. Why not? Exodus has been done before. I know I sound sarcastic, but its a good idea!
If you’d have told me two years ago that Jeremy Corbyn and myself would be on the same side fighting against a tyrannical conservative government i would never have believed you.
my enemies enemy is my friend
um is that the logical fallacy of the undistributed middle?
Undistributed? Chesterton wouldn’t be happy. I’m all for distributism.