Another Study Finds That Natural Immunity Protects Better Against Infection Than the Pfizer Vaccine
At the end of August, a study was published showing that natural immunity provides much better protection against infection than the Pfizer vaccine. It was described by UCL’s Francois Balloux as “a bit of a bombshell”.
Subsequent studies have compared natural and vaccine-induced immunity at the cellular level. One found that infection-induced antibodies “exhibited superior stability and cross-variant neutralisation breadth” than vaccine-induced antibodies, suggesting that people who’d already been infected had better immunity against the then-novel Delta variant.
However, as I noted in my write-up of the “bombshell” study, its findings still needed to be replicated. After all, certain datasets or methods of analysis can sometimes yield quirky results, which don’t survive independent empirical tests.
Encouragingly, the findings now have been replicated – by another team of Israeli researchers, using a different dataset.
In the latest study, Yair Goldberg and colleagues tracked all the individuals in their dataset (of people in Israel) who had tested positive or received two doses of the Pfizer vaccine before 1st July, 2021. They then compared the number of infections in previously infected versus vaccinated individuals from August to September of 2021.
The researchers also examined the number of infections among those with so-called ‘hybrid immunity’ – i.e., previously infected individuals who got vaccinated.
For each of the three groups, they counted the number of infections and the number of days ‘at risk’ (i.e., the total number of people multiplied by the number of days on which they were ‘at risk’ of becoming infected). Adjustments were made for age, sex, ethnicity, calendar week and a measure of risk exposure.
Results are shown in the chart below. Each bar corresponds to the infection rate per 100,000 ‘risk days’. The reason the researchers used ‘risk days’, rather than just ‘people’, is that the composition of each group changed over time. For example, some previously infected people chose to get vaccinated.

Notice that the labels for the horizontal bars are not the same for each group. Since we want to compare apples with apples, look at the bars labelled “Recovered 6–8 months” and “Vaccinated 6–8 months”.
This comparison shows that, 6–8 months after the corresponding event, infection rates were more than six times higher among vaccinated individuals – 89 per 100,000 versus only 14 per 100,000 among previously infected individuals.
The chart also shows that infection rates were lower still among those with hybrid immunity, which is consistent with what the earlier study found. However, the difference between the hybrid group and the recovered group was relatively small. For example, infection rates at 6–8 months were only 20% higher in the recovered group.
Goldberg and colleagues’ study confirms that natural immunity does wane, though much more slowly than vaccine-induced immunity. Anyone claiming the contrary now has to contend with not one, but two, high quality studies.
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Natural immunity is a thing?! Perhaps someone should tell Boris and the Sage idiots?
They have known that from the start, which is why they dissed it even before the experimental gene drugs were produced.
What surprises me most is that people are surprised. Apparently, so much so that they describe it as “a bit of a bombshell”. Why would you ever assume that immunity obtained through the natural processs of infection, would be inferior to a vaccine-induced immunity, which is trying to provoke an immune response based solely on the bodies cells creating a single part of the virus – the spike protein. It’s the shock that’s shocking.
What gets me about the vaxx-droolers is that they seem to think the vaxx gives you a different immunity than you get from being infected. Very few (supposedly intelligent) people seem to grasp the fact that whatever immunity/antibodies arise, they are created by the individual’s own body, so whether induced by infection or vaxx, a person’s body will produce the same antibodies. The only difference, theoretically, is that induction via vaxx does not bring the risk of actual disease. Generally the case with a real, virus-based vaxx, increasingly clearly not the case with the synthetic temporary treatment-oriented ‘vaxx’.
And that is aside from the point you raise, that this vaxx only targets one small part of the virus.
Yep, my official NHS antibody test after i had a bad case of Covid showed I had both antibodies you can only get from infection and also those you can get from the vaccine – and I haven’t been vaccinated. So that proves that natural immunity gives broader protection and the NHS knows it.
Which could suggest that you might have copped a C19 spike protein from someone who had already been vaxxed?
Exactly.
Antibodies to a spike bio-weapon patented by Pfizer in 1990.
Not antibodies to a virus.
What a joke this pandemic is.
Yes! A very SICK joke.
Apparently they can’t tell the difference between spike protein antibodies that natural immunity gives, compared to the ones you get from a vaccine which is why it’s phrased that way.
The only other two responses you can get from NHS testing are that you have antibodies only to a vaccine, or none at all.
Though since my wife and son have been jabbed with AZ i suppose you can’t rule out shedding being a contributory factor.
Interesting point
That’s weird. I meet a friend once a week or so for a coffee or a drink and a catch up. He’s double jabbed, and recently had a booster too. At age 55. Every time I meet him, I feel a bit “flu-y” for a day or two afterwards. Not ill enough to stay in bed, or take time off work or anything, but just a bit “urgh”. Strange. He’s had two rounds of covid, one that lasted ten days and required an ambulance and oxygen, another after he’d been jabbed. I’ve had a the usual three day post-Christmas bout of lurgi last year, and had a positive covid test ten days after I had any symptoms. He’s a vocal pro-vaxxer, but his defence of it is very weak. He parrots the usual stuff you can find in any newspaper or on any BBC news broadcast. I brought up that a year ago, it was old people and vulnerable people only who were to be jabbed, and then we could get back to normal, yet here we are, a year later, being asked to wear masks and have the booster, and facing another lockdown. But, of course, he “always knew”,… Read more »
As I understand matters so far …The cell/gene editing EUA drug targets the antigen that is the S1 spike protein…of the Alpha variant. All spike proteins are different – TPTB seem to saying that two doses has no apparent efficacy BUT THREE DOES….
Previously fully jabbed folks now know, it is incontrovertible and Powis lied egregiously by using out of date data when he KNEW different data was available showing a completely different situation to that he described, that their infection from the Delta variant was not prevented by their prior jaggedness.
So a variant crept around the alleged immunity of two jabs, but if they had THREE including a BorisBooster versus Delta, then there would have been no infections…?
“Pull the other one”
Are these researchers aware that reports in the Lanzet and BMJ both point to the juice having zero efficacy – or did I dream that? Moreover, leaked data from the Phizer trial shows five times as many people in the injected group having heart attacks compared to the control group. So the ‘is natural immunity better’ debate was over long ago.
I think it obviously escapes the vaccine zealot’s cognitive abilities that if vaccine-induced immunity were always superior to that derived from natural exposure to a virus, humans would have become extinct eons ago, not just from lack of vaccines but from zero modern medicine whatsoever. Humans and their biology are much hardier and more complex than the delicate snowflakes of today give themselves credit for. We’ve co-existed with the damn viruses and germs since forever!
I would have upticked for the moniker by itself, but yes! Spot on.
2020-2021:- When the human immune system became a crazy tinfoil hat conspiracy theory.
Based on PCR positives which are tweaked over time to give the illusion of immunity.
Did you know they have changed the testing parameters for Omicron? It requires only 2/3 primers on the PCR, so previously negative tests will show positive to create the illusion of variant outbreak still without any proof of a virus causing it.
As i understand ( havent checked sequences) the omicron variant has enough variation to prevent part of the primer pair binding to the cdna. Of course it may be that the annealing temperature may be different due to slight variation in the nucleotide sequence and that is preventing primer binding.
If i was running the experiment i’d first run an annealing temp curve to check if a slight tweak to this temperature permits primer binding. I imagine like everything to do with this shitstorm the mass of undergrad lab workers are simply doing the same thing over and over again with little thought into meltcurve analysis etc. That is mixing up, contaminating and mis labeling samples.
How qPCR works ( https://www.sigmaaldrich.com/GB/en/technical-documents/technical-article/genomics/qpcr/how-qpcr-works)
As a side note i made a comment on a you tube video about qpcr and the guidelines/controls needed for the test to be valid (https://academic.oup.com/clinchem/article/55/4/611/5631762). You tube deleted the comment immediately.
> It requires only 2/3 primers on the PCR
The Delta test uses 2 primers too. The virus just so happened to mutate one of the 3 primers used for testing. If Omicron developed from Delta, you’d expect it to have the same mutation.
There is no Delta specific test, only genome sequencing identifies the alleged variant.
The WHO listed Omicron as a variant of concern on Nov 26th which was only 2 days after being first reported. It takes at least 3 days to genome sequence the alleged virus.
To be clear there is no specific Omicron or any other variant test either, the “s-gene dropout” claim is just a way of lowering the entry requirements – absence of s-gene alone is now enough for ‘possible Omicron case’.
And considering there are no deaths, so far, from Omicron, are these ‘positive tests’ or cases, in people with almost no or only mild symptoms?? in which case what are they queuing up for a test for?
of course it does. hardly a bombshell
I think its needs to be split by case severity
I had covid mildly. who cares if I get reinfected?
I imagine a severe case would induce a bigger response
and its severe cases we should be comparing in previously infected and vaccined groups
The goons Vallance and Whitty didn’t even mention natural immunity in BoJo’s dead cat festival on Wednesday. Whoring puppets!!!
for those that missed it : https://youtu.be/EQGI–qoQJU
whitty showing how effective vaccines are by using data that should not be used to show vaccine effectiveness
but do you think that 99% of the UK population watching the presentation spotted that???
Too true – but the fact he relied on something that officially he should not cannot be erased and will be trotted out when he appears before the Ethics Committee of his professional body/regulator in a public “fitness to practice” hearing.
Or maybe not.
There are many who still feel that jabs, masks, distancing is not enough, maybe we should force them to wear a Real mask complete with an oxygen cylinder, to make them feel ‘safe’ enough and the rest of us can get on with living
And, unless the person has comorbidities, they get oxygen cylinder type 2. You know, the one pre-loaded with the virus. After a week or two, they will be really safe.
We should definitely round up these lobotomized nob-heads and shove them in the internment camps so that they can safely exist in a protective bubble away from all sane and rational folk. I’d hate for their stupidity and bigotry ( and overall sociopathy ) to rub off on our easily-influenced kids. Keep the toxic people segregated from the decent people, that’s the way forward. When this is all over I really don’t want these scumbags just slinking back into the shadows, protected by anonymity. They need to be held accountable for their part in enabling the great suffering and damage wrought by authoritarian governments worldwide. Just like the informers during the second world war, we shouldn’t be allowing these wicked cowards to crawl away without taking them to task. It’s these spineless, back-stabbing turds that have made this entire shitshow possible due to their bovine-like compliance anyway, and I’ll never ever forgive and forget!
We should also ask them to live submerged everthereafter. For our safety from future outbursts of public health policy.
Nope. Not taking any notice. Conspiracy theory nut jobs. LA LA LA can’t hear you.
/S <- in case of ambiguity
I predict Omicron will be harmless to all except the terminally ill, old and unlucky
just like the other variants in fact
Probably even less of a risk than the other variants given the news from Africa so far.
Data in the the Coviboost study on both Antibody and T-Cell response in participants before taking the various boosters they trialled shows the huge benefit conferred from the natural immunity https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(21)02717-3/fulltext “As expected, baseline seropositive participants had higher humoral and cellular response compared with seronegative participants in both ChAd/ChAd and BNT/BNT populations. For both populations, the difference of anti-spike IgG and cellular response between seropositive and seronegative participants became smaller after a third dose vaccination. Seropositive participants still had higher immunogenicity compared with seronegative participants.” Some other interesting comments also made including: Comparison of response against Variants (Delta) – Anti-body and vs T-Cell “Pseudoneutralising antibodies were reduced for delta variant, relative to wild-type, across all vaccines after ChAd/ChAd and BNT/BNT. Although there was minor variation in the degree of drop in the GMT, no vaccine showed better cross-protective immunity than others. T-cell responses against delta and beta were similar to wild-type.” Anti-body and vs T-Cell responses – Age differences “Regarding spike IgG third dose response, it is important to recognise that, as yet, there is no established or well defined correlate of long-term protection. To date, both ChAd/ChAd and BNT/BNT have maintained highly effective real-world protection against hospitalisation and death… Read more »
I dont have a ref but i remember reading that they have little control over how much rna vesicles find there way through the plasma membrane and into the cell .
Graph of responses after the booster attached including 3 (Pfizer, Valneva & Novavax) at full and half dosages
Given T-Cell response is the one least affected by variants, the Novavax performance is the most interesting, and was also picked up this trial when used a 2nd shot
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(21)02718-5/fulltext
Slightly off topic, what will they use instead of PCR tests to justify the heightened amplification of cases and fear? The CDC and WHO stated (in July 2021) that they are wholly inappropriate?
Or am I supposed to have died from a heart attack by then?
Don’t fall for the hybrid immunity (experimental vaccination following natural infection) being better than natural immunity (natural infection + no vaccination) trap.
As Gabor Erdosi says.
https://twitter.com/gerdosi/status/1466764968897007622
Plain English version of the highlighted findings: ‘Hybrid immunity’ is totally fabricated bollocks and vaccination following infection doesn’t bring any qualitative improvements, just a transient bump in antibodies. Previous studies showed the same
Wifey is biologist, has worked in immunology. This is (one of) her big bug-bears. The antibody tests test for antibodies to the spike; they do not test for antibodies to other parts of the virus, which wild-type immune should have and vaccine-immune would not have.
Her speculation is that, because of the homologies between the spike protein (in variants up to Delta, not clear for Omicron) and the syncytin which occurs naturally in the human body, then post infection the body might preferentially clear antibodies to the spike protein.
Nothing certain, but nothing that will be looked at, I’d wager.
Interesting idea, thank you.
This natural immunity sounds good! Maybe it will catch on
It has, only the lockdown fanatics and the maskateers are in denial.
No money in it though
doesn’t make big pharma any money or usher in CBDC
Is the important finding not that vaxxed then recovered have higher infection rates than recovered then vaxxed? this is evidence for original antigenic sin, and that the vaccines prevent the development of a broad and durable immune response.
Good point.
Useful background summary paper on natural immunity and different range of immune responses more generally
https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/992944/S1255_NERVTAG_-_Immunity_following_natural_infection.pdf
they are still talking about only 6 months (govt publication). I had read elsewhere that the nat immunity is MUCH longer lasting – possibly 16-17 years duration.
And my own personal experience would bear that out.
I had covid in Summer 2019 – picked up in France when it was found in wastewater samples from Spain and Italy at that time. In all the time since the pandemic was declared I came down with nothing, apart from a day or two of mild sneezing after likely exposure to delta at the end of this summer.
Lancet Paper – COVID-19 Is Circulating In The Vaccinated Population
A medical paper in the Lancet, one of the world’s top medical journals, usually known for it’s pro-vaccine slant is stating very clearly that mass vaccination for COVID-19 has failed to stop transmission among the vaccinated.
https://thecovidworld.com/lancet-paper-covid-19-is-circulating-in-the-vaccinated-population/
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanepe/article/PIIS2666-7762(21)00258-1/fulltext?s=08#%20
Ergo zero justification for vaccine passports then
And I don’t like the slant at the end of the report which refers to possible policy responses the news might provoke which suggests that governments worldwide might lock down the vaccinated populations “as well” – as if it is acceptable to lock down only the unvaccinated.
While the first minister has been speaking, the Scottish government has put out an evidence paper looking at the impact of the new Omicron strain of the coronavirus.
“The paper says it is likely that a proportion of these infections will result in hospitalisation.”
0%? 100%?
for those of you that care!
R hasn’t been affected by omicron on Zoe app
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Goldberg and colleagues’ study confirms that natural immunity does wane, though much more slowly than vaccine-induced immunity.
I’ll take a slowly waning natural immunity over the vaccine and its unknown side effects any day of the week – so maybe natural immunity does wane over time – but as someone who has natural immunity and I suspect a much more robust natural protection too I also don’t have to worry about unforeseen mid-long term side effects of these experimental vaccines – such as sudden cardiac arrest, amputated limbs and bleeding on the brain etc etc … and these are just a few of the known possible side-effects after only two or three jabs, I wonder what other more deadly reactions they’ll discover this time next year when everyone is possibly on their 5th, 6th, 7th or even 10th jab just so that they can go to the cinema, the theatre or that holiday to Ibiza etc.
I hope it will be worth risking your health or even life for – I really do.
Does it look at T cells or just antibodies? Slowly waning antibodies are normal.
Sorry. Should have asked, did it look at symptomatic infections, or just positive tests?
but does the slowly waning natural immunity not get a “boost” from being exposed to and fighting off the variants which would then give you NI all over again with a re-set time clock for duration???
Seems the only thing the gene therapy jab provides immunity to is common sense.
They don’t work. They know they don’t work but people refuse to see it. Hypnosis is a powerful tool.
I am amazed at just how powerful it is. I work with people who clearly KNOW these vaccines don’t work, and the side effects profile is somewhat dubious (at a minimum). Yet they still take them and say things like “five million dead though!” (without any thought to context, or WHO has died….it’s not 3 million 6 year olds FFS)
When I point out how dodgy it all is, they nod and say “but what can you do?”…HOW ABOUT DON’T FUCKING TAKE THEM!! Christ on a bike. It’s insane!
The Milgram Electric Shock Experiment further proved the results of the CIA survey. In Milgram’s original experiment 65% of participants proved themselves very willing to carry out orders which clearly caused pain and trauma to another person. And in one variation of this experiment, the people who would obey highly unethical commands went up to over 90%.
If you take a close look at today’s Boris Johnson, you’ll see that he is probably too psychologically unbalanced to understand or care about a study by Yair Goldberg into natural immunity. Back at the start of the Covid-19 (manufactured) alarm, Johnson stated with confidence that herd immunity would be the way his government would go. A short time later he changed his tune, and then implemented economic and societal destroying policies. I’d bet it was around this time that Boris got his first inkling that he was Prime Minister in name only. Johnson made a series of alarming and bizarre comments at a Global Investment Summit in London whilst speaking alongside gene-serum pusher extraordinaire Bill Gates. Here are the peculiar comments as uttered by Johnson: “We must propitiate … Aeolus … Sacrifice a goat or something”. Propitiate? This is a formal verb which is usually used to describe someone that tries to keep, win or regain the favour of a spirit by doing something that pleases it – usually by offering up a sacrifice to this spirit. If you were to search for how to use propitiate in a sentence, this is a common example that comes up: “The… Read more »
They’ll have to start adding another number box next to the goal score and label it ‘points of contact’ or something. Every time players make contact during the match the counter goes up until it reaches a ‘high risk of transmission’ ceiling determined by some ‘expert’ and the match is either cancelled or all the players have to be taken off the pitch in plastic isolation bubbles.
Perhaps they should find a way of making prior infection less dangerous.
Oh wait. that’s what vaccines do. About 10x less dangerous.
So from about 0.1 IFR to 0.01 IFR? Does not seem to panning out that way unless you have data you can share that suggests otherwise?
I observed checkthefacts on another forum, him/her is just an absolute brainless idiot. It get’s off on being responded to.
Depends who you are, doesn’t it? the vaccines as per the EMA safety briefings on their website kill approximately 1 in 30,000. Which is likely a considerable underestimate. It could be as high as 1 in 3,000 quite easily.
COVID doesn’t kill 1 in 30,000 young healthy BMI normal people.
And there is a good reason for this. In healthy people, the immune system will see off the virus before it gets into the small capillaries deep in the lung, and replicates systemically, causing endothelial damage. The vaccines bypass your defences though and go straight into your bloodstream (yes I know it’s supposed to be an intramuscular injection, but it doesn’t all stay there, and some unlucky souls get it injected directly into the blood stream thanks to poor technique).
Recommend you clock – if not already done so, Dr Richard Fleming’s video of his study into the effect on red blood cells of all the EUA drugs…
Dr Richard Fleming -Medical Bombshell Pfizer Vax Attacks Human Blood Creating Clots Under Microscope
I am not a scientist so cannot judge this as a “peer” – but it is as scary as others ” fact checking” this video stating that there is no publicly available data that the “vaccine” attacks the blood in the way he describes.
I think Messrs Cole, McCullough and their peers would refute that in a clot affected heartbeat.
However to take advantage of natural immunity you have to get the disease a second time.
Yet the first time might kill you.
Vaccines do help reduce the severity of the first infection. That’s the one concrete fact from this whole farce.
However Boris sitting there taking a vaccine is just theatre. He already has better protection from his near death experience.
Nature gave us a way to make infections less dangerous. They are called antibodies.
Our Killer TJ-cells are fascinating. Our very own storm troopers that are 24/7 on the hunt for alien invaders in our bodies. And when they find them, they immediately toss grenades at them and destroy them.
But Killer T-cells don’t make millions of dollars for Big Pharma.
Take a look at this short video. It will gladden your heart to see what is swimming around inside you, all the time hunting and pouncing on and destroying whatever viruses or bacteria that may be bold enough to trespass on their territory.
Fact: After the second shot of “vaccine” in some people, their Killer T-cells were 90% destroyed.
Here’s a link to a US doctor that shows the “vaccines” destroying people’s Killer T-cells.
By the way, eat a couple of cloves of raw garlic with one of your meals each day. If your lady doesn’t like the smell of garlic on your breath, assert your male dominance. Make her also eat two or three cloves daily.
Garlic is a luxury food-treat for you Killer T-cells. Reward them for all the work they do on your behalf.
My missus reacts badly to garlic in all forms and I think it makes food taste as if it’s gone off! So thanks for your advice but no thanks!
Vaccines for a while help reduce severity…. even then only after the first 14 days.
Near death is a bit over dramatic in his case, but what was revealed was his weight etc, and no doubt his lifestyle is a bit dodgy health wise (goes with the job, a cynic might say). If he was in a better physical condition to start with, he might have been on the correct side, after all, if he realised that for most of us the bug isn’t all that bad.
….and VAERS/Yellow card reports confirm the concrete fact that death has resulted from just one jab. Cell and gene editing therapies, which involve unproven reverse transcription messenger RNA drugs, have been proven to be so lethal that such and other adverse effects dwarf the entire ledger of similar effects from the trials of experimental and other drugs in the US for ~ 30 years ( as testified by Dr Ryan Cole , publicly available, more than once ). Pete McCullough has also stated that in his experience from being on the oversight Committees of 18 experimental drug trials to date, some of those involved deaths (and other non lethal adverse effects) involving as low as ~150, he even mentioned 5, people that the drugs involved never were allowed to “go to market” – deemed far to dangerous to humans. There are may other “concrete facts” about this chimeric virus and related “issues” as I am certain you know – especially the damage these jabs have done and continue to do to the major organs and immune systems of many many many people ; and with respect it is not a farce – it is an unprecedented existential threat the consequences… Read more »
By my count, he’s had four jabs, two boosters, and at least two bouts of covid.
Who knew?
Well me for one
‘Covid’ or any of their ‘variants’ has failed to lower the average age of death.
To be fair a bag of crisps offers greater immunity than these non vaccines, they are a failure
However, the difference between the hybrid group and the recovered group was relatively small. For example, infection rates at 6–8 months were only 20% higher in the recovered group. I think this needs clarification, as the hybrid group at 6-8 months is itself split into two categories: (1) Recovered then Vaxxed [infection rate 12 per 100,000]* (2) Vaxxed then Recovered [infection rate 17 per 100,000]* And for comparison the Recovered infection rate at 6-8 months is 14 per 100,000. (*) It is probably worth cross referencing with the category definition details from the survey itself to avoid confusion: Recovered: Previously infected individuals 90 or more days after confirmed infection who had never been vaccinated.Recovered then Vaccinated: Previously infected individuals who later were 7 or more days after receiving a single vaccine dose.Vaccinated then Recovered: Individuals who had been vaccinated with one or two doses and were later infected.Vaccinated: Individuals seven days or more after receiving the second dose, and who had not been infected before the start of the study period.Booster: Individuals who received a third (booster) dose 12 or more days previously and had not been infected before the start of the study period.These cohorts were divided into sub-cohorts… Read more »
Very good. Thank you.
The plan is to murder us