BMA and Asthma U.K. Say That Asthma Suffers Should Not be Exempt from Mask Mandates

The British Medical Association (BMA) has declared that those who suffer from asthma should still abide by mask mandates and guidelines, with the trade union’s Dr. Alan Stout stating that “99% of people who have those conditions can wear a face mask”. The charity Asthma U.K. also agree with the BMA’s view, saying that asthma suffers “can manage to wear a face mask or face covering”. BBC News has more.

Most people with asthma or chronic obstructive pulmonary disease should wear face masks when required, the BMA has said.

The guidance from NI Direct states people with such conditions only need to say they cannot wear a mask when asked to prove they are exempt.

“99% of people who have those conditions can wear a face mask,” said the BMA’s Dr. Alan Stout.

Masks are mandatory in a number of settings including public transport.

Shops, airports and taxis are among the settings which the rule applies to in Northern Ireland, designed to prevent the spread of Covid.

In October, the NI Executive agreed this would continue as a legal requirement throughout the winter.

“There are a small number of exemptions to wearing a mask and they are very, very small, so the vast majority of people should be wearing a mask,” Dr. Stout told BBC News NI’s Good Morning Ulster programme.

The message came after the first three cases of the Omicron variant were discovered in Northern Ireland on Tuesday, and all linked to travel to Northern Ireland from Great Britain.

The BMA’s mask-wearing message came after a woman who was not wearing a mask on a train said she believed she was asthmatic because she was exempt.

“Asthma is not an exemption,” Dr. Stout responded.

“Asthma U.K. and the British Lung Foundation are very good and strong on this too that anyone suffering from those conditions should be wearing a face mask.”

Worth reading in full.

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Dave Bollocks
4 years ago
  1. There is no face mask law.
  2. The face mask guidance has an open ended list of exemptions, so everyone is exempt anyway. Not that there is anything to be exempt from!
karenovirus
4 years ago
Reply to  Dave Bollocks

I feel stressed and anxious at the thought of wearing a mask. Prove it ain’t so.

Dave Bollocks
4 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

No need for that.
Even in the unlikely event of getting fined by the police, just challenge it in court. It will be thrown out – no fine to pay.

Proveritate
4 years ago
Reply to  Dave Bollocks

Unfortunately there is a face mask law – it is not mere guidance.

Here it is: https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2021/1340/contents/made

An open ended list of ‘reasonable excuses’ does not connote universal exemption, and it would not be interpreted that way by the courts. ‘Reasonable excuse’ is not mere words but a concept that has acquired legal understanding.

To get off a charge you would have to give your excuse, and it will be down to the courts to determine whether your excuse is reasonable.

Can you explain on what grounds it will be thrown out by the courts when there is legislation on the Statute Book?

Norman
4 years ago
Reply to  Proveritate

It seems it rarely proceeds to court because the CPS declines the case.

Proveritate
4 years ago
Reply to  Norman

That could just be a logistical decision because they don’t want the courts backlog to be even longer than it is.

The points I’m responding to are (a) that there is no law, and (b) that the courts (i.e. it gets to court, ‘challenge it in court’) will necessarily throw it out.

Jo
Jo
4 years ago
Reply to  Proveritate

I think “severe distress” is the key in the guidance in this context. Distress is a subjective feeling – a court cannot prove that you do not experience extreme distress.

cornubian
4 years ago
Reply to  Jo

Does what is says on the tin….

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marebobowl
marebobowl
4 years ago
Reply to  cornubian

😂😂😂😂😂

cornubian
4 years ago
Reply to  Proveritate

It seems the BMA and BLF have been captured by dark forces. The simple fact is, masks have no effect on transmission and do carry health risks – this is what we were told by the authorites at the start of this hoax and nothing has changed since.

David Beaton
David Beaton
4 years ago
Reply to  cornubian

Indeed they have – GAVI is everywhere! The credibility of any doctor who has any connections whatever to the Gates funded WHO and any Gates funded Medical association or Regulatory body must surely be zero by now?

Ferguson has been stirring fear of pandemics with his computer models for nearly, two decades – he is funded by the CCP at Imperial College and by Gates.

Presumably this is exactly why Johnson thinks so highly of him.

( See RFK J’s book “The real Anthony Fauci ” for everything any ‘sceptic’ needs to know about many of those involved)

CynicalRealist
4 years ago
Reply to  Proveritate

Not sure why this has got so many downvotes? Most of what it says is unfortunately true. However it is over-stating the case to say that people would have to give their excuse. If someone in a supermarket or wherever says that they are exempt there are no grounds to challenge this or ask for a reason.

If it got to court (and it’s not clear how it would if someone had stated that they were exempt) it is highly debatable whether even the courts have a right to ask someone to give what might well be sensitive medical information in an open court on the basis of this legislation. It would probably require it to be tested and taken to appeal, and the fact that (so far as I am aware) this has never happened does indicate pretty strongly that the CPS doesn’t think it would win and/or that it’s not in the public interest.

HumanRightsForever
HumanRightsForever
4 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

I feel stressed when encouraged to wear a piece of clothing/paper that has been in my pocket, I’m putting it on with dirty hands that already touched the door handles, railing in the hallway of my block, my wallet etc. And 99 percent of people don’t spare a thought to fact that we are literally collecting all the crap on these and than put it straight under our noses and over the mouth. Bueeee.. Old style handkerchief were changed and washed daily, and who changes and washes these?

chunky lafunga
chunky lafunga
4 years ago

Agree, back when these things were discouraged by TPTB one of the reasons was that they will be improperly handled and rendered useless. But I think they’re vile, it’s always off-putting to me when I see them used by people handling food & drink in cafes, markets, pubs etc , where do these filthy rags factor into food hygiene regulations. And also those weirdos who when eating a packet of crisps pull their mask up and down between bites, give me a fucking break

David Beaton
David Beaton
4 years ago

We know it is nothing whatever to do with any “Covid” our health or the health of others.

It’s all just about compliance that’s all – wait until they ask you to take your ‘mandatory’ shower .

Fiona Walker
4 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

I have a whole list of reasons. Being pulled under by a rip tide. Being assaulted and my mouth and nose covered by my attacker. Being in a house fire and smoke inhalation. All these cause me to find wearing a mask leads to distress and panic. Prove me wrong officer. Prove these things never happened.

Cristi.Neagu
4 years ago

Isn’t it weird how absolutely none of these people even question the mask mandate? Everyone just took it as gospel that masks work, and that’s that, despite medical professionals knowing for ages that masks don’t do much.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4480558/

Carrie Symonds
4 years ago

They used to wear a bird’s beak mask to counter the bubonic plague. Look how well that worked.

Richard Austin
Richard Austin
4 years ago

Just say “I have an exemption”. Nobody can question it. I have not worn one in any shop, Pub or restaurant and never will. Whitty, Vallance, Van Tam, Hancock are all on film stating, numerous times, that masks are pointless. There is no study in the entire world that shows any genuine benefit. There are a few which say “May” which is basically “doesn’t but I want to make out it does”. To hell with the Government and their advisors.

The only advice you need today is buy Robert F Kennedy’s book, The Real Fauci, £2.99 on Amazon. It blows the whole lot out of the water in just the first three chapters. It confirms everything so many of us have said and there is one hell of a lot more.

loopDloop
loopDloop
4 years ago
Reply to  Richard Austin

Yep, ‘The Real Fauci’: buy it, read it, and weep.

David Beaton
David Beaton
4 years ago
Reply to  loopDloop

Free copies should be dropped from aircraft on the sheepie!

I am Spartacas
4 years ago
Reply to  Richard Austin

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Lister of Smeg
Lister of Smeg
4 years ago
Reply to  Richard Austin

Virus Mania (3rd Ed), which has a chapter authored by Kennedy, is also recommened. He and one of the book’s co-authors, Dr. Sam Bailey (from NZ) have a lot of choice words to say about the medical establishment, Fauci, Gates & Co.

Dr Bailey has both a YouTube channel (now being actively suppressed and censored) and an odysee one that have many videos about the Pandemic lies and agenda, including relaying analysis from other medical and scientific professionals.

Worth subscribing to.

Milo
Milo
4 years ago
Reply to  Richard Austin

does it tell us what we can do about it all??

we all know by now what he has been behind, who has funded it and likely why

what we don’t know is how we can stop it

Paul B
4 years ago

Shameless! People with COPD should obstruct their breathing and bask in their virtue, wow.

Luckily it causes me distress.

B.F.Finlayson
4 years ago
Reply to  Paul B

Typically ambiguous, fence-sitting, cover-yer-ass advice from Asthma UK Website. Asthmatics certainly shouldn’t bank on this spineless lot for support in court: Do I have to wear a face covering if I have asthma?Most people with asthma, even if it’s severe, can manage to wear a face mask or face covering for a short period of time. Wearing a mask does not reduce a person’s oxygen supply or cause a build-up of carbon dioxide.But sometimes face coverings can make breathing feel uncomfortable. This is mostly because they trap heat. In cooler weather and in places with air conditioning, wearing a face covering can feel easier.People with asthma are not officially exempt from wearing face coverings, but if you find it impossible to wear a face mask because it affects your breathing, or for other physical or mental health reasons, you do not have to wear one, even in situations where face coverings are legally required.Callers to our Helpline tell us they’re worried about being challenged by others, or fined, for not wearing a face covering. But all governments across the UK make it clear that people who cannot wear a face covering for health reasons should not be routinely asked to prove… Read more »

RW
RW
4 years ago
Reply to  B.F.Finlayson

Wearing a mask does not reduce a person’s oxygen supply

That’s a straight lie. For a very simple experiment confirming that, cover your mouth with a hand and try breathing through that for a while. That’s even difficult when leaving gaps between the fingers which are much larger than the gaps in some fabric. Any obstruction in this path will mean that putting the same physical effort into breathing will result in breathing in less oxygen.

Actually, it’s not a lie: It doesn’t reduce the amount of oxygen someone could theoretically breathe in (the supply) but the intake.

B.F.Finlayson
4 years ago
Reply to  RW

The weasel wording is deliberately replete with dodges and caveats.
Besides, the only reason people can allegedly breathe through these stupid masks easily is that they are not breathing through the filtration fabric at all, but through the gaps around the edges that offer the path of least resistance to the airflow both in and out (basic bloody physics!), and so offer an open backdoor to any offending virus both in and out. Last year I observed a super sneeze via a face mask outside a supermarket showering snotty particles left right and (most importantly) backwards.
Maybe try super-glueing this blue mask fabric around one’s mouth and nose so there are no gaps, and then walk swiftly up hill for 15 minutes. The only question is whether one would collapse via exhaustion, chronic respiratory symptoms, stroke or even heart attack. My guess is before 5 minutes are up most would have ripped the offending fabric off.

RW
RW
4 years ago
Reply to  B.F.Finlayson

People don’t breathe easily through something like this and the reason for this is really basic physics: Air consists of gas molecules with a certain mass (simplification) and accelerating these requires energy. When breathing with a mask over the face, some of the energy put into the breathing process ends up accelerating the mask instead and hence, air intake will be lower than without it. The difference should be roughly equivalent to the mass of the part of the mask being accelerated and as gas molecules are very light, this means a real lot of them. Anecdote to go with that: I have polyps in my nose. Because of this, it’s often completely blocked and even when it’s open enough to allow me to breathe through it at all, I’ll usually have to resort to breathing through my mouth once I’m moving as I can’t get enough air through the nose. The negative impact of a mask on this is very marked. I’d wager a bet that the no obstruction claim just comes from some Chinese dunderhead ready to assert that the earth revolves around the moon should a discussion move into this direction because while this may be seem… Read more »

David Beaton
David Beaton
4 years ago
Reply to  RW

We must learn to accept that all the lines and pronouncements issued by Official “medical” or “health” bodies ( as with the nonsense spouted by mainstream politicians and MSM journalists ) are now simply straight lies .

The people managed it over time in Soviet Russia – this is the way with totalitarianism.

We need a new way of thinking based on automatic rejection of the universal propaganda and the diligent seeking out of truth.

RW
RW
4 years ago
Reply to  Paul B

Stealing a line from Donovan: If you’re going to die, please do it with your mask on!

It’s about protecting others, after all, and nobody ever claimed that this didn’t involve harming yourself.

Milo
Milo
4 years ago
Reply to  Paul B

BMA is causing me distress

TheyLiveAndWeLockdown
4 years ago

Let’s make wearing a mask optional in sports events and see who wins shall we?

If those competing survive their clot shots that is!

landt2020
landt2020
4 years ago

Oh it’s coming:

https://www.phc.ox.ac.uk/research/participate/face-masks-and-exercise

This research is important in assessing the role of face coverings in reducing the risk of transmission of the SARS-CoV-2 virus, which causes COVID-19. As governments adapt their rules on social distancing and business closure, it is important to provide accurate advice to the public as to whether it is safe to wear face coverings during exercise. If face coverings do not interfere with exercise, people can be safely encouraged to wear them. Conversely, if face masks lower oxygen levels, this information needs to be conveyed to the public and may impact on re-opening of fitness gyms and indoor distancing rules.

So they want to find out if masks can be mandated during exercise, or whether gyms should be shut.

Lister of Smeg
Lister of Smeg
4 years ago
Reply to  landt2020

I recall seeing a US high school or collegiate long distance race where a girl collapsed after winning because she was forced to wear a face mask. Unlikely that would’ve happened ordinarily.

David Beaton
David Beaton
4 years ago
Reply to  landt2020

Evil or what?

TheyLiveAndWeLockdown
4 years ago

Amusingly the Asthma corticosteroid  budesonide is by far the best anti COVID drug there is

https://www.ox.ac.uk/news/2021-02-09-common-asthma-treatment-reduces-need-hospitalisation-covid-19-patients-study

So why any emergency approval for clot-shots or boosters when we have this? It’s also off patent so near free.

DanClarke
DanClarke
4 years ago

Your last sentence must explain why

TheGreenAcres
4 years ago

It makes sense as it is designed to reduce inflammation of the airways and it’s the inflammation of the lungs that is the primary concern of the disease IIRC

TheyLiveAndWeLockdown
4 years ago
Reply to  TheGreenAcres

But is it actually SARS2 causing that inflammatory immune lung lockdown?

Probably not directly.

JeremyP99
4 years ago

Best? Staying fit, eating real food, supp Vit D & Zinc. That’s all the drugs you need.

PartyTime
4 years ago

Budesonide is the only repurposed early treatment that’s approved in the UK (requires prescription) https://www.cas.mhra.gov.uk/ViewandAcknowledgment/ViewAlert.aspx?AlertID=103154 but it was approved very quietly.

Noumenon
4 years ago

“There are a small number of exemptions to wearing a mask and they are very, very small, so the vast majority of people should be wearing a mask,” 

Clearly trying to get the witchfinders foaming at the mouth suspecting everyone of being a likely WITCH.

scamdemic
scamdemic
4 years ago

Actually no…I decide if it affects my breathing or not. It affects my asthma and therefore I decide I am exempt.

Lister of Smeg
Lister of Smeg
4 years ago
Reply to  scamdemic

I quite agree, and will continue to wear my Asthma UK exemption badge. I’m not putting my health at risk (which I deem higher than COVID) just to placate a few scared people who’ve been pushed that way by evil people in authority who know 100% that non N95 facemasks outside of the medical setting and used by medical personnel are useless to control the spread of viruses.

karenovirus
4 years ago
Reply to  Lister of Smeg

Asthma UK must have been bought, or members thereof, why else would they minimise their clients victimhood?

karenovirus
4 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

Apologies if that came out as rather rude towards you Lister of Smeg.

My comment was aimed at the professional charity freeloaders at charities like Asthma UK.

Lister of Smeg
Lister of Smeg
4 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

No problem – I wasn’t offended. Online discussions can sometimes get a bit weird if someone takes a comment the wrong way or someone is being ironic.

As dante says below, I suspect this ‘Doctor’ is trying to bounce them into changing their tune, perhaps with help from HMG and the MSM guilting them into doing so.

dante
4 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

This Dr Stout is misrepresenting Asthma UK. Honestly the charity is fantastic and goes above and beyond for people who have asthma. Their position on face masks is stated very clearly on their website, if you struggle wearing one, you don’t have to.

Jo
Jo
4 years ago
Reply to  Lister of Smeg

My friend has had severe asthma since childhood. She doesn’t wear a mask. When she had to go to hospital last year for a check-up (at asthma clinic) she made an exception and wore a mask because she thought she had to wear one in a hospital. The nurse there gave her a good telling-off – “you can’t breathe properly without a mask, let alone with one on, take it off at once!”

Victoria
4 years ago
Reply to  scamdemic

So clear these health professionals are useless – it is not about our health

DanClarke
DanClarke
4 years ago

There needs to be a lot more reporting of doctors who disagree with this, those who are pushing it, for whatever reason, seem to get an unfair share of the media coverage

Paul B
4 years ago

It won’t matter much soon, travel and entertainment stocks just took a dump as reporting suggests Plan B is being prepared… Looking forward to being banned from society, yay!

TheyLiveAndWeLockdown
4 years ago
Reply to  Paul B

Let’s party like omicron isn’t a threat to us, because it’s not.

Paul B
4 years ago

Good timing on the xmas party leak. Gove slithering into position to unveil passports and get a pat on the head from Gates.

TheyLiveAndWeLockdown
4 years ago
Reply to  Paul B

Anyone get more than a hangover/abortion/downer from the booze/sex/drugs at Boris’s xmas bash? You know the dreaded covid…

Lister of Smeg
Lister of Smeg
4 years ago
Reply to  Paul B

Professor Lockdown already touting more of them for early next year. Presumably he likes sneaking around in violation of them to go and ‘visit’ his (?) misstress – more excitement pre-bedroom activities maybe to stimulate the ol’ Johnson?

Lister of Smeg
Lister of Smeg
4 years ago

If that’s the case, the WHY THE HECK has Asthma UK got a medical exemption card template – which I use, on their website? My asthma is for house dust mite, and it means when I wear a face mask – of ANY standard (including standard medical grade*) mask available to the public – I start to wheeze/find it difficult to breathe properly within a short time (couple of minutes, tops) because dust and other particles build up on the mask (including before wearing). It’s the very reason why without masks I’m fine, and why most of my (normally minor) breathing problems are related to when I’m sleeping in bed where the cloth bedding (even when freshly laundered and the mattress vacuumed) is near (not on) my mouth. I always bring my inhailor with me in case I’m challenged and wil now ask the person doing so to take responsibility if I have an asthma attack and need medical treatment. Having a puff on the inhailor is a temporary benefit in such conditions – lasting just a few minutes at best, because of the close proximity to the mask. Plus I’m only allowed 2 puffs every 4 hrs and only… Read more »

TheyLiveAndWeLockdown
4 years ago
Reply to  Lister of Smeg

Have you tired ceasing any milk products?

It worked for me.

Lister of Smeg
Lister of Smeg
4 years ago

No. I’m not lactose-intollerant – the only allergy I tested positive for back when I was a child was house dust mites (well, it’s actually their droppings [yuk]).

Mine tends to get worse with either pollution from vehicles (especially diesels), possibly certain crops (pollen?) and/or humid weather. When I go on holiday to the South West in the relatively clean air, it goes away. I don’t really suffer from hayfever though – it could just be the amount of ‘particles’ in the air.

Unfortunately housing is expensive down there and jobs few, otherwise I’d move.

karenovirus
4 years ago
Reply to  Lister of Smeg

Are you old enough to remember Franol tablets?
They took have an hour to help bring down asthmatic wheezing but in the meanwhile the smell of bleach or fresh piss often helped.

Lister of Smeg
Lister of Smeg
4 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

No – never heard of them. I first used (and only) reliever inhailors using the ‘break the plastic tablet’ containing powder type 40 years ago – which weren’t very effective, then using the modern gas-propellant type (much better), and more recently improved by the addition of a spacer tube, which means I can halve the number of puffs needed as more of the inhailant goes where it’s supposed to, and not on the back of my mouth (better mixing in the space tube before beathing in).

karenovirus
4 years ago
Reply to  Lister of Smeg

They were 1950s60s before being replaced by inhalers.

Lister of Smeg
Lister of Smeg
4 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

Well before (literally) my time.

JeremyP99
4 years ago
Reply to  Lister of Smeg

Regardless, if you have a leaky gut you may well be allergic to all sorts of other things. Close really thought she had Coeliac. She has NO allergy to gluten, but it makes her sick as a dog. Mind, she’s a Vegan so sick as a dog anyway, bless her.

JeremyP99
4 years ago
Reply to  JeremyP99

Father of a good friend of mine, Kiwi, has Asthma. Back in the day, when steroids were not prescribed, he’d jump out of planes to get the Cortisol hit, which suppressed the Asthma for a good while.

Sandra Barwick
Sandra Barwick
4 years ago
Reply to  JeremyP99

Yeah, that’s right, Celiac disease is not an allergy. And Gluten Intolerance is a thing and not an allergy either. Don’t know whether either link to asthma though.

Victoria
4 years ago
Reply to  Lister of Smeg

Therapeutic doses of vitamin C is critical for all with asthma

https://www.bmj.com/content/349/bmj.g5517/rr/797361

sam s.j.
sam s.j.
4 years ago

have either of you tried raw milk? raw milk [ organic that is ]helps many with allergies. it helped me so much .plus tastes delicious !
of course they try to make that illegal too . too good for your health !

RW
RW
4 years ago

Tut, tut, good sir. Ceasing any milk products was the Chinese miracle cure for any kind of illness before 2020. Nowadays, it’s wearing a Chinese face mask.

Richard Austin
Richard Austin
4 years ago
Reply to  Lister of Smeg

Have a read of the nonsense Law and you will find that any form of stress from wearing these abominable things is an Exemption. You do not have to disclose why. If you are asked politely tell the person that under Law they do not have the right to ask you. If challenged, which in my experience is extremely rare, simply say “I have an exemption”. You do not need a letter, a lanyard, a Yellow Star or stripey pyjamas.

Lister of Smeg
Lister of Smeg
4 years ago
Reply to  Richard Austin

True, but the badge certainly has made it far easier for me to avoid rather unpleasant arguments with shop security staff and on the trains (only used a couple of times during the last 2 years) which, without one, could happen every time. I’d rather not have to spend 5 minutes explaining myself every time.

I’d obviously would not rather have to NEED to wear the badge at all, as we shouldn’t, as cloth and standard medical masks provide zero protection against virus transmission, and especially outside the medical setting.

karenovirus
4 years ago
Reply to  Lister of Smeg

Government advice remains the same as it always was.
If you feel more comfortable wearing an ‘exempt’ badge, a homemade one will suffice.

Lister of Smeg
Lister of Smeg
4 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

True, but the added ‘weight’ of an ‘official’ charity may give the exemption badge more ‘gravitas’. Thus far no-one (touch wood) has ever questioned mine. Let’s hope it stays that way.

Newman20
Newman20
4 years ago
Reply to  Lister of Smeg

You don’t need to spend 5 minutes explaining yourself. You need only say one word ‘exempt’ – end of.

karenovirus
4 years ago
Reply to  Richard Austin

Exemptees do not have to prove anything to anyone until it gets to Court, which it won’t.

CynicalRealist
4 years ago
Reply to  Richard Austin

Indeed. I did have a lanyard last time to reduce the hassle, but not wearing it again – had enough of playing their games. Not been challenged yet under the current muzzle-mandate. I don’t want an argument, but if it’s necessary then I’m quite prepared to have one.

Victoria
4 years ago
Reply to  Lister of Smeg

Indeed. These health professionals frankly do not care about your health

karenovirus
4 years ago

As an asthma sufferer since early childhood they can Fuck Right Off.

It is only very rarely that yours truly uses that word on the internet.

HelenaHancart
HelenaHancart
4 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

Your first sentence there, was said verbatim by Hub when I read this out to him!

X - In Search of Space
X - In Search of Space
4 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

I am – and I suspect many others on here are likewise reduced to using profanity due to the extreme frustration we feel. Raw frustration/sadness/fury/despair.
Essentially, nothing else is left, or apropriate.
My deep-level feelings just want to express themselves in the form of an eternal scream to the abyss.

Arfur Mo
Arfur Mo
4 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

Write/email to the charity’s marketing department saying you have removed their organisation from the list of beneficiaries of your will. The fact that they may never have been on it is neither here nor there. It just means they never will be on it. The reason being is that according His Holiness Prof Whitty, covid has been endemic for the greater part of a year. Endemic as in common cold (another coronavirus) level of disease.

karenovirus
4 years ago

Penultimate paragraph above.

“A woman who was not wearing a mask said she was asthmatic because she was exempt”

WTF is that supposed to mean?

cryptical
cryptical
4 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

I think it was supposed to be “exempt because she was asthmatic”.

karenovirus
4 years ago
Reply to  cryptical

I had guessed that: just checked, the sloppy mistake was on the BBC website.

Arfur Mo
Arfur Mo
4 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

‘Exempt’ has nothing to do with it. That is pro-mask propaganda. The Law states ‘reasonable excuse’. A woman who was raped by a rapist who held his hand over mouth would have a ‘reasonable excuse’ for not wearing a mask. Someone with claustrophobia would have a ‘reasonable excuse’.

loopDloop
loopDloop
4 years ago

I’d like to see the mask mandate get serious. The real problem is that the mask doesn’t fully seal those pesky holes we have foolishly in our faces. I’d like to see masks which are taped to the face hermetically sealed so no gases can escape. In or out. Now we’re talking. Try to get through that, Omicron variant!

Lister of Smeg
Lister of Smeg
4 years ago
Reply to  loopDloop

Maybe the idiots wwanting all these authoritarian (but useless to protect anyone’s health) rules should hermetically seal a plastic bag over their heads and see how they do.

rtaylor
4 years ago
Reply to  Lister of Smeg

Sheeple would do this as it gets them impressions. Incentivised behaviour and all that.

Victoria
4 years ago
Reply to  loopDloop

That will sort them once and for all

mikec
4 years ago

Is the lunacy coming to an end, anti-lockdowners jockeying for the PM’s job, Twitter ridiculing not only the rules but those who follow them, GMB having to take down surveys that don’t go their/the Govts way – what next?

rtaylor
4 years ago

The article ends with the BMA saying:

A face covering does not reduce a person’s oxygen supply or cause a build-up of carbon dioxide, it said.

Aren’t mask wearers limiting their oxygen supply by covering their nose and mouth? We breathe out 40,000 ppm of CO2 and those living tend to keep breathing.

Can a pure blood, non-graphene oxide adapted, non-rooster boostered, non-mask wearer ask the sheeple: “Would you run your car’s exhaust pipe straight back into the air con?”

Lister of Smeg
Lister of Smeg
4 years ago
Reply to  rtaylor

Yep. ANY covering over the mouth and nose is essentially a resistive filter – they will trap some particles, but the overwhelming majority will be larger ones, which then get handles when the wearer fiddles with or puts on/takes off their mask.

Whilst its on, the force the lungs have to work to breathe in will be proportional to the resistance provided by the mask. As an engineer who designs ventilation systems, add a filter will often mean – even when the filter is brand new – that the fan will have to work quite a bit harder than if it were just pulling through air on its own. Far worse when clogged, as most cloth masks will be.

What the authorities and so-called experts forget or avoid is that most people don’t use masks like they do in an operating theatre or infectious diseases ward – they re-use them without cleaning them (and properly), fiddle with them, touch them in use and other surfaces generally, all of which will contaminate them in some way, often far more so than not wearing a mask at all.

karenovirus
4 years ago
Reply to  rtaylor

a face covering does not reduce s persons oxygen supply”

That’s an out and out lie.
As masks in the workplace were coming in I asked a Traffic Cop if he/they had a view about the safety issues relating to driving while wearing a mask.
He looked me straight in the face and simply said

“we don’t wear them”

Which at that time they didn’t.

Lister of Smeg
Lister of Smeg
4 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

Ask any engineer and they know the answer. There’s a reason why you add the air resistance of a filter to the that required to size a fan for ventilation – it has a resistance when brand new as well as when ‘dirty’ (clogged up). A fask mask is just a crude fliter, and cloth ones are useless, which is why air handling units don’t use them.

KidFury
KidFury
4 years ago

Hilarious.

“I’m exempt” is the only exemption required.

Simple.

Arfur Mo
Arfur Mo
4 years ago
Reply to  KidFury

‘I have a reasonable excuse for not wearing a mask’ complies with the law, which makes no reference to ‘exemption’. Exemption is pro-mask propaganda.

Alkanet
4 years ago

The most worrying part of this for me is, if in the future I was seriously ill would I bother to consult a Doctor or take advice from any of the National specific health issue charities/foundations as they have exposed themselves as being wholly unreliable. Willing admission to an NHS hospital also no longer looking like a sensible course of action.

Lister of Smeg
Lister of Smeg
4 years ago
Reply to  Alkanet

Indeed – at least with private doctors they would be more willing to say what they REALLY think. I noticed far more that they are willing to speak out (abroad) than those tied to a country’s national health system.

Many of them never seem to do their own homework nor question what those further up the chain say, despite it often being against decades of good practice/scientific convention.

Remember that it was this sort of ‘sheep-like’ behaviour that occurred prior to WWII, with many seemingly ‘upstanding’ citizens of Germany going along with the targeting of Jews, Gypsies and Eastern Europeans as being ‘unclean’ and needing to be segregated, then…all out of fear of what the mob of publci opinion and mass media would say if they spoke out against it.

Remember the old saying “The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing”? I certainly do, but appears much of the public and many in positions of authority and influence do not, or have deliberately chosen to ignore it.

TheyLiveAndWeLockdown
4 years ago
Reply to  Lister of Smeg

You need to pay if you want to get better.

Arfur Mo
Arfur Mo
4 years ago

You will need to pay either way.

The only health considered in the modern Health Care Industry is the health of the relveant corporate profit and loss account.

John001
John001
4 years ago
Reply to  Lister of Smeg

As far as I can gather US doctors seem to be of two kinds: a) independent private practice and b) tied to the local hospital, in which case they’re ordered what guidance to follow, like the NHS now does to most GPs.

Obamacare apparently led to a huge rise in type b). So possibly it wasn’t about giving poor people better access to medical care at all but about increasing the proifits of medical insurers and pharma.

JayBee
4 years ago
Reply to  Alkanet

Exactly.
Outside of A&E surgeries, I am done with doctors.
No doctor who thinks that face masks work against a virus and don’t harm people can and should be taken seriously anymore, certainly not outside of his narrow specialist field.
In an ideal, sane world, they would and should also be disbarred and locked up, of course.

Sandra Barwick
Sandra Barwick
4 years ago
Reply to  Alkanet

Yes. I don’t think I could bear to be in an NHS hospital currently, being bossed about masks in addition to their usual horrors.

Victoria
4 years ago
Reply to  Alkanet

Indeed. Taking responsibility for our own health is now a must

Aleajactaest
4 years ago

Please cease and desist quoting the notorious Al Beeb. We simply pop straight down to the comments to berate you for it.

They are liars and cheats; fake news and the enemy of the people.

HelenaHancart
HelenaHancart
4 years ago

They really don’t get it…or they do, and they’re just pushing the puppet agenda to see how far they can away with it. ANYONE can be exempt if they choose to be!

karenovirus
4 years ago
Reply to  HelenaHancart

They are obviously trying to pressurise those folk who are already nervous about claiming exempt status. Bullying pure and simple.

Noumenon
4 years ago

Before 2020 these relatively loose fitting masks were generally held to:

  1. Stop medical staff spitting or shedding stuff into wounds.
  2. Stop tradespeople breathing too many bits of silica, wood particles etc. from abrasion, sawing etc.

These aren’t exhaustive at all, obviously, but I think this summed up the general attitude to masks with the public. In the latter case it wasn’t deemed to be very effective, i.e. tradespeople ended up breathing a ton of rubbish anyway (as any joiner or builder can attest to!). So how is it now that they protect against virus size particles? Masks don’t stop a certain amount of cement dust and tiny bits of grit so how are they going to stop a virus? You need RESPIRATOR for that and even they don’t always work some of the time unless they fit well and are good quality.

Lister of Smeg
Lister of Smeg
4 years ago
Reply to  Noumenon

Exactly, and why I (working in construction as an engineer sometimes needing to conduct site inspections and surveys in dusty areas) needed high grade equipment (v.expensive and mostly disposable) and could only use it for far shorter times than colleagues because of my asthma.

I knew straight away there was no way I could tollerate cloth masks – I bought 3 only until I made up a lanyard with the exemption, and have never used a mask since, barring one time – ironically at my local surgery – where they refuse point blank on admitting ANYONE without a mask.

I pretended I had forgotten mine and they gave me a medical grade one to use, which isn’t quite as bad for breathing generally, and when their backs were turned/not looking, I pulled it down and breathed normally. I only just managed as well, as I was starting to labour my breathing, not that the staff seemed to care much (I was in for a ‘wound check’).

karenovirus
4 years ago
Reply to  Noumenon

I remember explaining to a guy wearing a spray painters mask that Covid particles are way way smaller than bits of paint debris.

Arfur Mo
Arfur Mo
4 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

Covid particles are a similar size to odor molecules. That means they will have similar aerodynamic properties. Put on a mask and see how close you have to get to your partner before starting to smell their perfume/aftershave. Repeat without mask. Is there any difference in the two distances? How does that distance compare with the ‘social distance’ rules.

Hint: I have found I can smell marijuana from ~50 feet away (still air) from where it is being used (bloody schoolkids).

Victoria
4 years ago
Reply to  Noumenon

A response to people who use the classic fallacious argument, “Well, if masks don’t work, then why do surgeons wear them?” 

https://www.sott.net/article/438827-A-classic-fallacious-argument-If-masks-dont-work-then-why-do-surgeons-wear-them

DanClarke
DanClarke
4 years ago

How can they implement Plan B after everything that’s happened and the well known facts about their latest hysteria, how have they got the AUDACITY.

Victoria
4 years ago
Reply to  DanClarke

The end objective is the implementation of a digital passport. None of this is about health or caring for people

dante
4 years ago

Asthma UK is a fantastic charity, which works tirelessly to improve the lives of those with asthma. I donate to it regularly as it has been invaluable in helping my family.

From their website…

“People with asthma are not officially exempt from wearing face coverings, but if you find it impossible to wear a face mask because it affects your breathing, or for other physical or mental health reasons, you do not have to wear one, even in situations where face coverings are legally required.”

so nice try Mr Mask N@zi man.

karenovirus
4 years ago
Reply to  dante

One of my medications says quite clearly

“This may make you feel drowsy in which case it is illegal for you to drive”.
I checked with several sources and it really does mean ‘if you decide that you do not feel drowsy then it is not illegal to drive’ so the law changes depending on how I feel. LOL.

I haven’t driven since commencing that treatment but that’s my decision.

Proveritate
4 years ago

The BMA’s mask-wearing message came after a woman who was not wearing a mask on a train said she believed she was asthmatic because she was exempt.

What sort of illiterate journalists write such gibberish? Oh, yes…BBC ones. Surely the woman said that she believed she was exempt because she was asthmatic.

Mel201d
Mel201d
4 years ago

Who elected Dr Alan Stout? ? – This guy has been rolled out constanty on UTV and BBCNI since the start of this shitshow dolling out misinformation and untruths on an almost daily basis. What makes these people feel they have relevance in peoples everyday lives. My understanding is that when you need a doctor you seek one out – they don’t tout for business. As I said if he wants to believe he is in a position to determine policy he should seek election to be given a mandate to do so. Otherwise he needs to do one.

artfelix
4 years ago

I donate to Asthma UK as my daughter has asthma and my brother nearly died of it.

Sorry, I mean I used to donate to Asthma UK until this morning.

Arfur Mo
Arfur Mo
4 years ago
Reply to  artfelix

Did you email their marketing department stating why? If not, do so. Kick them where it hurts – in the wallet.

Paul B
4 years ago

It’s come to something when I’m relying on Sir Kneel to save me.

https://twitter.com/i/events/1463816265156333568

Paul B
4 years ago
Reply to  Paul B

Although it’s very apparent that leaders other than Johnson would have had me in a cage long before now.

ComeTheRevolution
ComeTheRevolution
4 years ago

Denis Rancourt shows how his teams deep research into all cause mortality in the US by region has led him to conclude that there was an epidemic of bacterial pneumonia brought about by the lockdown which affected almost exclusively obese and poor people in the hottest states. His research shines a new light on what happened in the US, where there were sharp increases in deaths which were NOT consistent with viral epidemic. When this was happening, these patients were presenting and being diagnosed as Covid – and antibiotics were BANNED fro being given to Covid patients, because it is said to be viral. Enter ivermectin which is a superdrug. It clears the bacterial pneumonia, and Denis has found a high level study proving this. His work here could have unlocked some of the hidden truths of the scamdemic.

Jerm Warfare With Denis Rancourt – No Evidence Of A Pandemic
https://www.bitchute.com/video/fQmwzC3JiFQY/

MUST WATCH – Denis Rancourt, PhD, discusses his studies into all-cause mortality and Covid Jab
https://www.bitchute.com/video/5cp2yGd6M0iX/

Bellingcat
4 years ago

You can’t scare me with this Gestapo crap. I know my rights.

And tell me, what good are your rights if you are unable to speak?

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TheyLiveAndWeLockdown
4 years ago
Reply to  Bellingcat

on youtube all links to effects of clot shots are unable to be typed.

John001
John001
4 years ago

This one’s had >92,000 views so far from a reputable commentator

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wCbohvmiigY&ab_channel=PeakProsperity

He’s only talking about Pfizer’s document so how can they ban it /… ??!

Help him get to 100,000 …