UKHSA Efficacy Stats Death Watch: Week 48
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Not much has changed in the UKHSA Week 48 Covid vaccine surveillance report. Cases by vaccination status:
We see continued improvement in infection rates in the 80+ vaccinated cohort, extending to the those in their 70s as well. This is very likely down to the booster campaign, and it’s more or less what we’d have expected: the vaccines provide protection that after some months appears to decay to the point of negative efficacy. The boosters then bring you back into positive territory, for a time.
Of course the offending numbers are still greyed out:
While UKHSA objections to the reliability of the relative rates apply to every second column reporting “rates among persons not vaccinated”, you’ll notice they only grey out the statistics that are unfavourable to the vaccines. The other columns, which according to their own arguments are equally unreliable, can be printed in ordinary typeface.
The new 60-day death rate by vaccination status also shows a slight improvement in the vaccinated 80+ bracket. They’re now doing slightly better than unvaccinated 70 year-olds:
Finally, the death numbers:
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Can anyone clarify what unvaccinated means? Is one unvaccinated if they have not had booster dose?
Unvaccinated means
1 The dictatorship has not jabbed you with their gene therapy in the past 20 months
AND
2 The dictatorship has jabbed you with their gene therapy in past 20 months
So basically everybody alive or dead on 4/12/2021
No. See para 3. For this extract: Vaccines but no booster yet = vaccinated.
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I think unvaccinated (for UKHSA purposes here) is within 14 days of first jab. Anything after that is placed into one of the jabbed categories.
Of course unvaccinated should be no jab at all.
Although it’s silly, and offends as a definition, it won’t make a lot of difference in the older age groups, as all who ‘want’ to be first jabbed have already been first jabbed more than 14 days ago.
You’re only fully vaccinated after your 50th jab. You’re guaranteed to die before your 49th.
Fully vaccinated means that you have had as many doses as it needs to kill you.
I think it now means that if you haven’t had one of the vaccines that haven’t been manufactured yet for the Omicron Variant then you are ‘unvaccinated’ and will have to spend 10 days in quarantine upon your return to the UK, or if you go anywhere outside the UK.
At present, everyone is ‘unvaccinated’ and only the scientists and epidemiologists at Pfizer and Moderna can help here. Have patience. About 6 months’ worth.
So, in broad terms (we don’t know, for example, the difference in behaviour and hence exposure between vaccinated and unvaccinated), the vaccines don’t protect people from being affected, and presumably their risk of passing it on, but they do substantially reduce the risk of death, albeit the roughly 2-3:1 ratio shown is substantially less than claimed initially.
Assuming this will be the same for the vaccines when used in other countries, those countries penalising the unvaccinated are behaving even more irrational and illiberal than our own. Small mercies for us, I suppose.
Pretty much, yes.
I’d note that in terms of cases, while the argument is that the substantially negative vaccine efficiency in the tables is an anomaly due to the estimate of unvaccinated numbers being ‘wrong’, they would have to be 1/4 of the supposed real value to get to a vaccine efficiency of even 50% (they claim it is higher). This would mean, for example, that there would be an additional 5 million unvaccinated 40-50 year old’s in the country. This would appear to me to be very unlikely.
I’d also note the very odd effect where we saw a massive increase (2 to 3-fold) in non-covid deaths in the unvaccinated at the start of each age groups turn to be vaccinated. As it is difficult to see how the vaccines would have increased deaths from non-covid causes it has been suggested that it is simply that they didn’t vaccinate those close to death anyway. This effect seems to have waned after the spike in deaths, but it does look as though there are still residual effects — these probably account for about half the differences seen in the unvaccinated vs vaccinated populations.
To be honest, I see no way of untangling the general mess of data and definition. No honest statistician could claim to make sense of the porridge of assumptions.
The study linked by schrodinger below would seem to back you up on that:
Latest statistics on England mortality data suggest systematic mis-categorisation of vaccine status and uncertain effectiveness of Covid-19 vaccination
“on closer inspection of this data, this conclusion is cast into doubt because of a range of fundamental inconsistencies and anomalies in the data. Whatever the explanations for the observed data, it is clear that it is both unreliable and misleading. ………. By Occam’s razor we believe the most likely explanations are systemic miscategorisation of deaths between the different categories of unvaccinated and vaccinated; delayed or non-reporting of vaccinations; systemic underestimation of the proportion of unvaccinated; and/or incorrect population selection for Covid deaths.”
That’s a damning conclusion. If only all scientists were as honest!
And all this obfuscation would not be necessary with a real virus doing what they claim sars-cov-2 is doing. It’s so cartoonishly obvious the pandemic is a fraud I just can’t wrap my head around the amount of people who still scramble among the data like flies caught in a web, trying to prove the spider doesn’t exist.
Don’t hold your breath.
It should never be forgotten in these comparisons between vaccinated and unvaccinated that side-effect deaths arising from vaccination (heart attacks and the like) also need to be taken into account. Otherwise we’re only looking at half the picture.
Can somebody explain to me, in layman’s terms, why the efficacy of all the snake oils (such as it is) fades so fast?
In laypersons terms (yes I’ve done all the courses) it’s because all the snake oils are crap
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See my comment above. I believe the true reason is that they are not effective to start with but statistical artifacts explain the recorded results. Even the vaccine trials are not very compelling; even when measured on their own terms.
My own view is that we do not really understand the cause of death attributed to Covid. No study has ever shown that a virus of any form makes people ill. Ask for the study that shows this. One does not exist.
All the alleged studies in the 1950s were based on things such as drilling holes in monkey’s heads and injecting mixed particles. The hole in the head probably killed the monkey. No one has shown that a virus did it.
If viruses do not kill people then it is no surprise that the vaccine does not “work”.
– see 160 pages by Dr Denis Rancourt et al. link here – uses USA and Canada data to analyse all cause mortality since beginning and aside from obvious malpractice such as killed by Remesividir and ventilators – concludes: 1. Poverty, heat, stress due to lockdowns 2. Resulting in community contracted bacterial pneumonia – left untreated – notes presciptions for antibiotics decreased by 50% and Ivermectin works to cure bacterial pneumonia. Btw, The ‘Spanish flu’ was largely bacterial pneumonia. See https://www.researchgate.net/publication/355574895_Nature_of_the_COVID-era_public_health_disaster_in_the_USA_from_all-cause_mortality_and_socio-geo-economic_and_climatic_data
I think this is partly right, yes — much of the effect seen appears to be an artefact of who was vaccinated and when.
I’d also note that covid kills due to the immune system response to the virus, not to the virus itself. There is an outstanding question whether the vaccines will, in the longer term, make this immune system response worse. (As an example, for many of the SARS-COV-1 candidate vaccines, in testing they worked fairly well against the original strain, but caused enhanced disease in those exposed to a mutated strain from 18 months after the initial wave. mRNA and viral vector vaccines also caused other problems in the body following SARS-COV-1 infection after vaccination, including liver damage — eg, see the bottom of the first page of https://www.jimmunol.org/content/jimmunol/176/10/6085.full.pdf)
“No study has ever shown that a virus of any form makes people ill. Ask for the study that shows this. One does not exist.”
You’re delusional.
It seems you have the evidence then. Go on, share you’re findings with us.
This experiment finds cytopathic effects specific to SARS-CoV-2 in human cell lines and, of course, includes a mock control with the same culturing conditions that just doesn’t have the virus added. https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-020-17796-z
There are thousands of other scientific papers showing viruses infecting human cells.
That document was cobbled up by Chinese party appatachiks, which is a bit like referencing anything churned out by the FDA/CDC/UKHSA etc.
Just Google “virus cell culture paper” for thousands of these papers. No paper has had to be retracted.
I used to think as you do regarding viruses.
Now, having listened to sceptics I am far from sure.
If you are intersted in hearing the case for the defence that no virus has even been shown to exist as a pathogen you might like to start with this fifteen minute presentation –
The Measles Mythhttps://odysee.com/@drsambailey:c/themeaslesmyth:0
Sam Bailey is another one who has a book about “viruses not existing” to sell to the gullible.
It appears to be more profitable to be a quack than a real doctor these days.
https://www.acsh.org/news/2021/02/10/how-quacks-become-millionaires-5g-covid-doctor-will-sell-supplements-15336
Many of her claims are not supported by evidence and have been totally debunked by real scientists who have shown real evidence to debunk her claims.
She used to be a TV doctor from New Zealand who appears to have little understanding of modern virology.
Her wild claims have been debunked on this science website.
https://blog.waikato.ac.nz/bioblog/2021/04/sam-bailey-on-isolating-viruses-and-why-she-is-wrong/
We are struggling to convince people that Covid-19 is a mild disease for most people (many places in Europe have populations where the majority who were polled think it has a CFR of 16% or more).
We are struggling to convince people that Covid-19 vaccines are the most dangerous vaccines ever created (800x more dangerous than smallpox vaccines according to Steve Kirsch).
Do you really think we are going to get anywhere with “viruses don’t exist”?
No scientist or doctor on our side believes this, I maintain this is a well-poisoning exercise to make us look like a bunch of lunatics.
Quite agree.
It’s certainly a completely unnecessary distraction!
I’m laboring, in vain to date, to convince my fellow freedom fighters that as long as the belief that people are disease vectors persists … there are no convincing arguments against curbs on freedoms.
Remember “If it saves one life” ?
Besides, your friends already think you’re a loon for opposing Covid theatre. What’s the problem with striking at the root ?
As long as the belief that people are disease vectors persists, there are no truly arresting arguments against curbs on freedoms.
Remember “If it saves one life” ?
Besides, your peers already regard you as a loon for opposing restrictions. So why not strike at the root ?
Virology is the modern day equivalent of demonology.
The debate needs to be focused around the fact that governments are committing crimes against the people, ALL institutions are totally corrupt and the people orchestrating this have delibrately over time made them that way by putting in place inadequate morons who have turned once great institutions into Orwellian Communist-themed tools of a nefarious system. A controlled demolition of the West, now in its final stages. We have major problems and everything has been deliberately distorted to make it this way. “We’ll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false.”Former CIA Director William Casey. You can find compelling evidence that there is a virus and you can find compelling evidence that there is no virus, but there is no defacto PROOF that there is a new virus. There is TONNES of evidence of fraud and deceit by governments and the criminal institutions running the show. There is no REAL LIFE evidence that corroborates ANYTHING the governments and criminal institutions are saying. FOr what they are syaing to be true, we should feel and see “the virus”. I have seen NOTHING to make me believe what they are saying is true. All this combined and… Read more »
Center on “methods” section of any such paper. If you don’t at least shake your head … you may be captured.
LOL, CPE has been induced without putative disease samples.
CPE has been induced WITHOUT alleged disease cultures. And isolation is a misnomer.
One of the samples of sars-cov-2 used in that study was BetaCoV/Wuhan/IVDC-HB-01/2020|EPI_ISL_402119, allegedly isolated in China, and allegedly confirmed to exist using PCR cycles higher than 34.
The science is not good enough.
SARS-CoV-2 has now been whole gene sequenced over 5.7 million times.
It exists.
5.7 million repetitions of the same questionable techniques.
It exists alright, but only in digital form.
Correct … in the form of mental constructs.
Your ignorance of modern virology is on a par with the rest of the idiots on here who believe “viruses do not exist”.
SARS-CoV-2 has 29,903 base pairs which have been laboriously whole gene sequenced (not computer generated) and uploaded to the GISAID Initiative over 5.7 million times.
I’m not even going down the ‘no viruses’ rabbit hole, too much of a distraction.
Ah yes, modern virology, where viruses are not required and consensus science prevails.
Over a million of those sequence uploads came from the same 600 or so people working for a handful of health agencies and universities in the UK.
The Daily Sceptic is a serious website created to expose lies and propaganda particularly about Covid.
Your inane comments that “viruses do not exist” are unwelcome.
It is difficult enough to persuade the public that the response to Covid has been blown out of proportion, your idiotic belief that “viruses do not exist” makes that task harder and divides the sceptic community.
I have paid money to Toby Young to keep The Daily Sceptic going and your comments that “viruses do not exist” undermines the integrity of this website putting its future in jeopardy.
There has never been an article on here suggesting viruses do not exist.
Please take your inane comments to somewhere like the David Icke website where they belong.
Already said I’m not part of the ‘no viruses exist‘ discussion so keep me out of it please, my focus is on sars-cov-2 and I believe their is reasonable doubt of its existence based on the evidence.
Your comments about this pandemic being an overblown response by idiotic politicians are just as inane to me.
If DS think I’m spreading dangerous misinformation they can deep six my account anytime.
“Everything seems simple – until you actually study it”. Einstein I believe. FWIW there seems to be a consensus that virus exists – around 40 million in a cubic metre of air. How does the immune system sort the miniscule number of “deadly” ones from the rest? No one knows the full answer. We only know bits – dendritic cells, Toll receptors, exosomes etc were only discovered I believe in the 90’s. These discoveries only serve to indicate that we are blundering about with a system we do not and probably never will understand. The miracle of the immune system is that despite the poisons inside orthodox vaccines (adjuvants for a start, PEG in the mrna gene therapy) most survive these insults – although they could well be the cause of most auto immune disease (50% of us will have cancer-up from maybe one in ten 30 years ago). I know very little of virus, save that there are thousands of letters of genetic code which make lesser thousands of amino acids which lead to the viral proteins? How exactly do you know you’ve got a covid 19 virus – how do you sort it out from the billions of… Read more »
Modern virology is a very complicated subject and quite fascinating. Most scientists want to improve the human condition. However, scientists are only human themselves and a few can be corrupted by power and money. (Fauci, Witty, Valance etc.) There are no scientists who believe viruses do not exist. There are a handful of nutritionists who are self-promoting their books by suggesting science has been wrong for all these years and viruses do not exist. They have corrupted the conversation about viruses and polluted the minds of those with little understanding of modern virology. A good starting point to learn about viruses is to go to a website which debunks all these cranks with hard science. Fortunately, a researcher with close ties to the scientific community has produced a number of essays which debunks these cranks claims and gives hard scientific evidence which will improve ones understanding of modern virology. Frank Visser, The Corona Conspiracy: Combatting Disinformation about the Coronavirus Part 1: Corona, Oxygen, 5G: The Paranoid Worldview of David Icke, April 2020 Part 2: Debunking Andrew Kaufman’s Virus Equals Exosome Hypothesis, May 2020 Part 3: We Need to Talk about Exosomes, May 2020 Part 4: Why Viruses Are Not Exosomes,… Read more »
Thanks for your reply.
It looks like I have a little light reading to do.
I am fascinated by all this.
Can I recommend a book?
The Beautiful Cure – by Daniel M. Davis. 2018. A fascinating insight into the history and up to date understanding of what is known – and not known, of the immune system/disease.
( I am not Daniel M. Davis by the way.)
I’ll look it up.
That’s some great ‘debunking’ by Frank Visser, who’s expertise in
virologypsychology, culture and religion is surely more credible than quacks like Kaufman.I’m now thoroughly convinced of my own stupidity, thank you for illuminating the path.
You’re welcome.
As I said elsewhere Visser links to virologists and scientists who are experts in exosomes etc. so I would rather believe them than a failed psychiatrist like Kaufman who on his own website is now a nutritionist selling pills, lotion and potions to the gullible like you.
Agreed, your quack is better than my quack.
Virology is the modern day equivalent of demonology. Virology timeline: gods are angry —> vapors —> humors —> invisible poison painted on walls —> microbes entering the ears of otherwise sterile people per Louis Pasteur —> my dead cellular debris making you sick —> smart dead cellular debris always one step ahead of lockdowns, masks and vaccines …
Virology the modern day equivalent of demonology …
https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/virologist-disproves-virology-ron-bublitz/
Oh dear. Another nutter quoting Stefan Lanka. Scientists regard Lanka as an irrelevance and not worthy of their valuable time as viruses have been shown to exist and infectious by modern virology many, many times. However, one scientist was shown this article on viruses and measles by Lanka. http://wissenschafftplus.de/uploads/article/Dismantling-the-Virus-Theory.pdf This is how the scientist responded to it. “Tissue culture is a technique that has been perfected, through trial and error, to keep eukaryotic tissue cells alive and happy in a flask. Scientists like Renato Dulbecco, David Eagle, and David Baltimore have contributed to modifying the technique to what it is today, involving media that includes all of the nutrients and growth factors that cells need in order to survive. Scientists all over the world perform these tissue culture techniques every day. I’m one of them. We never see cytopathic effects just doing these standard techniques (unless you’re really bad at cell culture and leave your cells unattended for too long). We only see cytopathic effects in response to manipulation of the cell culture, including but not limited to the addition of certain viruses or specific drugs. And yes, these experiments involve a control (mock). For example, this experiment finds cytopathic… Read more »
Your debunkers consist of people who endorse the following methodology which is unchanged for decades: illness is thought to be observed in a population. Sample is taken from a limited number of sick people. Sample is mixed with many disparate genetic materials. Culture is starved and poisoned. Cell death is observed. Scientists declare “Virus isolated!”
And people like myself are the nutters …
As for your Linkedin post a researcher with close ties to the scientific community has totally debunked it.
https://integralworld.net/visser203.html
And this is your go-to ? The upstart’s magnum … oops ? suffers the niggling problem of the absence of an isolated/purified virus to work with. See: modern demonology. Thus, any of his counter-claims are dubious until he finds a “virus” in a sick human and establishes that it is pathogenic in a natural way.
I assumed the intention is similar to flu jabs, in that the purpose of the coof jab is to manipulate the body’s natural responses to ensure the person has a level of antibodies swishing around ready to go just in case the ‘virus’ is encountered. Not ideal, as you’re essentially giving up a portion of your available immune response to something you might not be infected by! The body will naturally stand down antibodies after a couple of months if infection doesn’t occur – constantly stimulating the immune system causes problems in itself. These studies don’t really show whether the jabs are teaching the body to make effective antibodies of its own following infection, which always used to be the point of a vaccine. Nor do they look at susceptibility, as not everyone will have cell structures that the virus can infiltrate.
I’d note that they’re the wrong type of antibodies (IgG rather than IgA) and that protective immunity against upper respiratory tract infections is initially mediated by innate and cellular immunity, not simply ‘antibodies’. Our approach to covid vaccination is really weird — all people say is ‘antibodies!’, almost like a religious fervour — they know nothing other than ‘antibodies’ and any attempt to suggest that it is more complex is met with a moment of confusion, and then a ‘antibodies!’
An interesting aspect of the immune response to coronavirus is that the antibodies don’t simply fade away, but it appears more that the body actively gets rid of (some of) them. I have a suspicion that if we understood why this happens we’d have developed a different approach to inducing protective immunity than antibody generating intramuscular injection vaccines.
Ideally you’d want a mucosal soluble IGA antibody production as you say but in science it’s all about the low hanging fruit.
“Our approach to covid vaccination is really weird — all people say is ‘antibodies!’, almost like a religious fervour — they know nothing other than ‘antibodies’ and any attempt to suggest that it is more complex is met with a moment of confusion, and then a ‘antibodies!’”
…. it’s got electrolytes!
In an email group I’m in there have been discussions about this & diving down to how the immune system calls up the correct T cells. It was suggested that because the vaccinated are unable to call up an immune response via the mucosal route, they replicate the virus & spread it more & call up B cells instead of T cells.
There is also the discussion that the vaccinated spread hotter viruses as per Marek’s which are more virulent to the unvaccinated & it could be this behind the increase in ICU admissions. Yet as the unvaccinated are being vilified, in the MSM & by politicians, the pressure to vaccinate everyone is increased.
AS Bakhdi has pointed out, antibodies are only part of the immune response.
And, as he states, the least important part of the immune response!
They are measuring the amount of soluble antibody in the blood. Low levels of antibody = lack of protection. However, if our bodies kept producing antibodies for every infection we had ever had our blood would be like treacle. Antibody/protein production us a waste of resources if they aren’t needed but because the immune system is amazing, it makes memory cells that recognise repeated infections and can quickly produce specific antibody’s. The literature states that the vaccine does cause production of memory cells .So why do we need a booster? It’s the easiest way to increase the amount of antibodies in the blood so it should decrease the amount of deaths.
Yes. It’s the breadth of protection that matters, not the quantity of antibodies.
As Gabor Erdosi puts it in relation to vaccination on top of natural infection
https://twitter.com/gerdosi/status/1466764968897007622
Hybrid immunity’ is totally fabricated bollocks and vaccination following infection doesn’t bring any qualitative improvements, just a transient bump in antibodies.
All you need to know is the vaccinated will die of heart attack or blood clots, & the unvaccinated of starvation, you’ve been informed, sign on the dotted line…………….or else!
Dr Clair Craig has also noted that you aren’t considered vaccinated until 28 days later for Omicron….as opposed to the usual 14 days?? Any ideas why?
Extends the period in which if you die in the meanwhile thay can say you were ‘not vaccinated’ so it’s not the vaccines fault?
They’re making it up as they go along.
Yes, Covid-19 is and always has been fiction. There is no hard science in anything that is both official and Covid, so they have to wing it.
It’s evil genius really, use the deaths from the vaxxed to convince the unvaxxed they need the jab.
Just for a laugh, isn’t it? To make the Omicron variant (which doesn’t exist) seem more scary.
I saw some interesting analysis on the relative mortality rate stats between vaccinated and unvaccinated. Link below.
Professor Fenton argued that death rates are reported in arrears but vaccination data is updated instantly. So:
When vaccines are being ramped up the numerator of deaths for any given week in the vaccinated population will be artificially low compared to the denominator of the vaccinated population.
Opposite for the non vaccinated.
In steady state with no vaccine campaign this effect evens out.
If true this confirms that vaccine efficacy is limited at all times. But by ramping up boosters the data will now make it look as though that program is somehow saving lives. That is my take out, not one he states.
That is a recipe for disaster but seems to be the latest spiral this hysterical society has embarked on.
He also notes an unexplained spike in death rates after vaccination but not caused by Covid,
https://www.conservativewoman.co.uk/professor-norman-fenton-the-truth-about-vaccine-benefits/
New paper now out from Professor Fenton and Martin Neil titled:
Latest statistics on England mortality data suggest systematic mis-categorisation of vaccine status and uncertain effectiveness of Covid-19 vaccination
https://twitter.com/MartinNeil9/status/1466814347762671628
I think it’s the same research as reported in the previous citation. But absolutely essential reading.
Note the comment that collaborators have had to conceal their identities.
I have always rated Norman Fenton as one of the honest guys.
My vaccinephilliac neighbour has been keenly awaiting his booster jab.
1st was cancelled on the day.
Subsequently offered another at a village Surgery miles from anywhere with piss poor public transport so he declined.
Then offered a city centre ‘pop up’ vaccine station, turned up to find it locked shut with a notice saying
“Sorry, run out of vaccines, please come back tomorrow”.
He is now contemplating whether to bother again especially since his mum had some sort of asthmatic reaction the evening after she had her own boost.
Why do you call this gene therapy drug a ‘vaccine’?
Because I’ll call it by any word I chose so long as the meaning is clear but if you want to get picky apart from ‘vaccinephilliac’, where ironic intent should be clear, the other usages in that comment are quotations.
I’d also note that what matters is the vaccination percentages on infection, not at death. This automatically adds a 3ish week delay.
In relation to deaths from covid this is relevant. Here you can argue anybody with genuine covid can’t get vaccinated, and if they die from covid, they will die in about 3 weeks. So the 3 week delay works.
But Professor Fenton is talking about all cause death (including non-covid labelled deaths) in this joint paper.
The question, amongst others, they are trying to answer is, why in each older age group is there a hump in non-covid death in the unvaccinated after the vaccination programme gets going in each age group?
It’s a very interesting paper I’ve linked to below, well worth a read.
Should have also mentioned that although the latest Professor Fenton etal paper is mainly about all cause mortality, there is a mention of covid mortality and using a 3 week temporal adjustment for this in section 6
Once again, a damning and, to me as a non scientist, proof positive of the malign behaviour of UKHSA, this Government (and as I type this the Prime Minister is attempting to defend the indefensible – the party in Number 10 – and votes are flying out of the door with every word he utters) SAGE, Whitty, Vallance et al, to deflect from the “truth”.
If you need any further example of how this country is being led inexorably down the tubes, Prof Fenton’s report highlights the incurably corrupt Civil Service doing the dirty work of SAGE and Ferguson enacted by the now unelectable Tory administration.
Fucking Hell, where do we go from here?
So the boosters ‘extent the life’ of a fogie much like Mumm-Ra’s powers in Thundercats. Are we now treating people like cartoon or computer game characters with multiple ‘lives’?
You have to prepare for real death sometime. This perverse generatiom just doesn’t want to move on.
You’re quite right. But the folks in white coats have promised that they can save everyone.
Trouble is their vampirism is destroying both their lives and everyone else’s. And they are not even living but putatively having ‘more time’. That’s plain mad.
Walking corpses indeed.
I agree, its been my experience that death has always been there lurking around the corner regardless of age – I’ve had family members and friends who have died for all kinds of reasons – heart failure, heart disease, asthma, diabetes, influenza, pneumonia, dementia, road accidents, alcoholism, accidental drug overdose – and at all ages ranging from just 19 years of age to just 40 years of age and 50 years of age to aunts, uncles and friends and acquaintances in their 60’s, 70’s, 80’s and my grandmother aged 98 god rest her – life is a lottery and each time I have experienced the loss of someone it has been a wake-up call to move on and make the most of what you have right now because when you die you are a long time dead – so in the past the idea was that between birth and death you enjoyed and experienced as much of life as possible before the inevitable happened … not run, hide and lock yourself away everytime the slightest threat to your personal safety surfaced – thats not living thats existing – a life lived in fear is a life half lived..
Yes. Even in Christian terms, eternal life is not about a reeeaally long time, but communion and bliss in an eternal now with God. Whether or not you believe, the loss of faith has impoverished many people’s understanding of the meaning and value of life. It’s not a commodity, or about length of years (though this is good) alone, but ultimately about love and relationship. There is no fear in that place because self giving frees us to be authentically ourselves, not shut up in ourselves.
I still cannot find any figures relating to deaths/reinfection/hospitalisation with covid regarding the naturally immune.
Shhh – even some sheep might smell a rat if we ever mentioned those poor unfortunates, who would appear to be doing rather well.
Or, to put it another way, what are the figures in proportionate terms of the previously infected in the unvaxxed data.
Whilst we’re at it, what about the previously infected then vaxxt – as opposed to the never previously infected then vaxxt
That said maybe it’s just me missing something.
That prompted my thought that it is not revealed how many of the Covid deaths of unvaccinated in hospital caught it whilst in hospital, It would mean that the risk of being unvaccinated is not the problem; it only becomes a problem if you are sick enough to go into hospital.
This would mean that hospitals are still a significant source of infection.
I have seen past figures for Covid HAI given as anything between 25% and 40%. For instance, the morning daily hereabouts reported 25% for the local general hospital back in May 2021, but that was the only occasion it appeared in that press, and I expect a lid was put on future reporting. For obvious reasons, there is a lack of appetite for publishing these with regularity, but I would suppose that there must be some recording and analysis, otherwise hospitals would have no idea whether preventive measures (testing, bed space, visiting etc.) are working.
The system, especially the testing and attribution of death to Covid in 28 days, the obscuration of the actual causes of death, the finagling of days difference between “vaccinated” and not and all the other stratagems, is confusing, biased and politically-driven.
The UKHSA report shows cases presenting to emergency care (within 28 days of a positive SARS-C0V-2 test) resulting in an overnight inpatient admission This is actually a different thing to those in hospital with a positive test. The deaths are all those who died within 28 days of a positive test (or within 60 days plus those with covid on the death certificate) including anybody who died in hospital, in a care home, at home or other setting. While most covid labelled deaths are those in hospital, most covid labelled deaths don’t come from these admission numbers. If you work from the Admissions Analysis by Age Group Supplement at the bottom of the following page https://www.england.nhs.uk/statistics/statistical-work-areas/covid-19-hospital-activity/ This shows by age group everyone in hospital who has had a positive test including nosocomial infections. It doesn’t split it by vaccination status. But you can compare overall totals. When I looked for comparable weeks I noticed that the UKHSA admission positive numbers form only roughly about 1 in 3 of the total hospital positives, although I don’t think anyone has checked that figure. We would need to understand the different pathways into hospital and how they are recorded in the data, to… Read more »
Agree, notice how you rarely hear about supermarket and factory workers becoming seriously ill and dying, unless there are comorbidities.
Yes. And adults in families with children too.
Wasn’t there a study that showed adults in families with children had lower rates of covid labelled deaths than similarly aged adults in families without children.
But let’s tell children they are killing granny when in fact they may be protecting others by ensuring those adults’ first encounters with the virus are non harmful encounters, allowing the adults to build some immunity before a later high viral load encounter.
I seem to recall reading that re-exposure to chicken pox via your children and then grandchildren reduces the likelihood of developing shingles when older, as the immune system gets a reminder, so frequent small doses of any other virus could be essential. Presumably if that principle is true then Londoners travelling by tube should have monstrously robust immune systems to just about anything…..
Supermarkets have been open since March 2020. If there really was a deadly pandemic most of the cashiers would have died by now.
And why are people continuing to go shopping in the ‘midst of a pandemic’? Few are scared of the virus, it’s all fear of being seen not to comply.
Hospitals have always been a significant source of all kinds of infections
After an early morning scan last Saturday I had to wait 40 minutes in General Reception for a taxi home.
None of the incoming staff bothered with the sanitiser stations probably because they know it is useless and are fed up with the charade of using them.
Good point. There was a low-quality study fanfared in the meeja yesterday, trying to claim that moronic variant reinfects repeatedly. But nowhere did they even discuss whether they were “vaxxed” or not. It could show an immune deficiency syndrome effect. Their failure to discuss likely points to the reality.
The pro-never ending ‘booster’ material presented here as factual evidence of bioweapen efficacy is in fact a conglomeration of sleight of hand, data fraud and outright lies. If you click on the link to the source data the opening lies of the first paragraph alone set the tone for the whole document: “Rigorous clinical trials have been undertaken to understand the immune response, safety profile and efficacy of these vaccines as part of the regulatory process.”
Why Luke Perry presents this regime data to the DS readership as if it were a genuine record of events is beyond me. As Luc Montagnier said, the inescapable fact is, the curve of death follows the curve of injection and this would be made transparentenly obvious if the writer compared death rates between high bioweapon states and low bioweapon states.
Martin Neils team of researchers have just analysed this latest false claim to data efficacy and concluded: “After our offset adjustment we observe no significant benefit of the vaccines in the short term. They appear to expose people to an increased mortality, in line with what we know about immune exposure or pre-infection risks.” Furthermore: “Whatever the explanations for the observed data, it is clear that the ONS data is both unreliable and misleading.” It begs the question, why havnt the likes of Martin Neil, the cancelled Joe Smalley and other sceptic data anaysts been asked to write for the DS? https://twitter.com/MartinNeil9/status/1466814347762671628
Sceptics on here seem to believe that people can ‘boost’ zero efficacy with another shot of zero efficacy. For any genuine critical thinker, this is mindblowing.
It baffles me daily.
I also find it astonishing that any doctor would take the clotshots whilst aware there is zero safety data available far less insist their patients take it.
I find it equally astonishing that the safest drug known to man, ivermectin, isn’t readily available on prescription when it’s available OTC in countries with education standards well below most of the west. One could take ivermectin daily for a lifetime and suffer no adverse effects as the very few deaths identified aren’t measured in the hundred of thousands, or millions, they are measured in billions.
Did you see Dr Sam Whites epic win over the GMC yesterday? This is a really important victory as it should prompt others doctors to speak out now.
The charts should compare vaccinated (any dose) vs unvaccinated. The data from UKHSA is there to do this, you just need to pick up single jabbed numbers from the national flu and covid-19 surveillance data spreadsheets. For example for this week’s rates per 100,000 (week 48 covers weeks 44-47) they use week 45 of the spreadsheet for week 46 (the week 46 spreadsheet goes up to week 45) to get the double jabbed and unvaccinated per 100,000 rates.
Leaving aside the remaining issue that positives within 14 days of vaccination seem to count as unvaccinated, you then get this chart for positive tests per 100,000 over time.
This shows positive test rates in the under 18 age group are very similar between the unvaccinated and vaccinated.
For every double jabbed under 18 there are almost 9 single jabbed, so it makes no sense to make the comparison between double jabbed (the exceptions in the jabbed category) and unvaccinated.
I would ask those producing otherwise excellent articles to start taking this into account especially in the under 18 data.
To state the obvious, to get to the double jabbed state you have to pass through the single jab state.
And the covid labelled deaths figures show just how few deaths are in the unvaccinated (currently 19.6% unvaccinated)
Those numbers pretty much echo the 80% fully vaccinated uk population. If you have to manipulate the data to pull out any differences then you would have to question whether a vaccine that is supposedly 90% effective is actually BS
And these are the percentages of the emergency care admissions who are vaccinated (currently 64% vaccinated)
Is the UK NHS standard of care the same for the jabbed as the unjabbed?
In the US there are stories of the unjabbed getting put on Remdesivir then ventilated then in a box. Are treatments ending in death noted anywhere?
Good grief. These ‘cases presenting to emergency care’ or ‘deaths with 28 days of a positive covid test’ or ‘deaths within 60 days blah blah’ aren’t necessaily OF the blinking covids; they’re still simply WITH; the ‘cases’ could be in for something else entirely, and the deaths caused by falling off a bloody ladder.
And those stupid ‘greyed out’ stats. Well, they might as well put them in neon orange. They’re all I notice on the page.
So the vaccines are stimulating antibodies, which is one of the data points the trials measured, providing that initial protection in a window lasting from 14 days to 3-6 months post jab (duration depending on your physiology presumably)
But it is clear that they are not teaching the immune system to produce a long term response, hence why a double jabbed individual is effectively unjabbed at 6 months past their last dose.
But what is worse is that once you get a jab, you don’t appear to develop the long-term immune response after a natural infection either, could the mRNA be blocking the production of the memory cells? That would explain why the vaccinated are getting symptoms multiple times yet there is still scant evidence that an unjabbed individual who recovers from an infection gets the disease again.
As I understand it from an article I read the lack of long term protection (it is also debatable if there is any short term protection) is because the not-vaccines only include a toxin i.e. a simulated Spike. An actual vaccine contains two parts and that is what triggers long term memory in the immune system.
The not-vaccines are basically useless, cause long term health issues such as scarring of the heart muscle, and the short and long term “immunity” is extremely doubtful.
That would make sense, the body is only being trained to recognise the outer ‘casing’.
Probably by design, I doubt we will ever see a lifetime vaccine ever again for anything. Far more profit when you need regular boosters. Same with other areas of medicine, why develop a cure when it’s much more profitable to develop a prophylactic.
Recipients of the mRNA vaccines have memory cells 6 months post vaccination
https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fimmu.2021.740708/full
But if 93% of UK adults have antibodies then what’s the panic?
Just another anti-vaxx article.
Hi, welcome, please sit down & relax, enjoy the limited time you have before your blood clots & heart swells, have a nice day.
What does “anti-vaxx” mean? It’s a very vague term. In order to understand your argument, we need you to define your terms.
When all the safety trials are finished in 2023 and the pharmaceutical companies producing these so called vaccines are made fully liable for damages and deaths caused by them maybe I will consider getting jabbed. Until then its a huge no from me. When the swine flu vax killed 50 people in the USA it was withdrawn immediately. An excellent documentary was made about the way it was dealt with and it was narrated by Jon Snow whose mindset is the total opposite of what it used to be.
Sorry for raising my voice,
THEY—-WILL—-NOT—-RECALL—-THE—-COVID—-VACCINES!
Anyone who thinks they can use facts & logic to demonstrate the harms of the covid vaccines needs beating to a pulp with an anti-denial bat. They, the covidian vaccinators, are not going to back down, they’re not going to suddenly realize how wrong they are & say OMG what have we done, science & statistics will not save us, there is no debating with these people.
To the point. No messin. Great post.
They want us to forgo our own immune system and subscribe to one provided by some criminals that only works for a couple of months against one pathogen, the one they engineered.
They can, in fact, stick it up their arse.
Oliver Dowden refuses to definitively rule out lockdowns for the unvaccinated and mandatory jabs.
https://twitter.com/talkRADIO/status/1466695728588275712?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1466715415678230531%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es3_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.lifesitenews.com%2Fnews%2Fleading-uk-politician-wont-rule-out-mandatory-covid-shots-lockdowns-for-the-unvaccinated%2F
That the brain dead British voters keep voting Tory/Labour is why we are in this mess.
Don’t forget everyone, in the new paradigm, data is the new oil. So fortunes will be made on betting against adverse events and vaccine ‘benefits’ on a societal level. Remember how the UKGVT were hiring AI experts to work on complex calculations around adverse events? We’ve been stripped of real wealth and the ability to generate wealth; We are simply data points now.
Very troubling development. The German nano scientist DR ANDREAS NOACK who made this statement and conducted this research is now dead – two days after he made the announcement.
Nano Razor Blades?
DR ANDREAS NOACK, GERMAN CHEMISTRY PHD – GRAPHENE HYDROXIDE
https://fantonino-changingworld.blogspot.com/2021/11/nano-razor-blades.html
Bleed to death on the inside from graphene hydroxide in vaxx trial roulette https://cairnsnews.org/tag/dr-andreas-noack/ This was his educated explanation as transcribed: “There is a Professor in the University of Almeira, Professor Dr. Pablo Campra. He studied the vaccines for the presence of graphene oxide using Micro-Raman Spectroscopy. It is the study of frequencies. There are frequency bands. Two of those bands are important. They show that it is not graphene oxide but rather graphene hydroxide. I would like to explain what graphene hydroxide is. Andreas Noack investigated nanoscale tiny razor blades injected into body and victim bleeds to death on the inside, He recently died under mysterious circumstances It is a mono-layer activated carbon. There are C6 rings. He found it in all samples. Every corner is a carbon atom. This is on a nanoscale. If it is 5 nm long, there are 500 rings in a row. These are hydroxy groups (OH). In graphene oxide you have double bonded oxygen, but in graphene hydroxide you have an OH group. The electrons are delocalised (fully mobile). The piece is 50nm (nanometre) long but only 0.1nm thick. These C6 structures are extremely stable. You can make braking pads out of this. It… Read more »
Graphene oxide is in the PEG as clearly explained in this link. It’s in by design, the question is why…
https://adelaidefreedomrally.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/08/2021.08.01-01.06-redvoicemedia-61069c71579fe.pdf?fbclid=IwAR1_cmgE1GjhDX3yyfsRp-sg_MiiNtkXQNgNosx_6ugPE8j1OvN3X39lTWw
Just for those still fighting the understanding that covid19 is just the effect of the introduction to humanity of a new coronavirus cold causing virus: Severity of SARS-CoV-2 Reinfections as Compared with Primary Infections “Reinfections had 90% lower odds of resulting in hospitalization or death than primary infections. Four reinfections were severe enough to lead to acute care hospitalization. None led to hospitalization in an ICU, and none ended in death. Reinfections were rare and were generally mild, perhaps because of the primed immune system after primary infection. In earlier studies, we assessed the efficacy of previous natural infection as protection against reinfection with SARS-CoV-22,3 as being 85% or greater. Accordingly, for a person who has already had a primary infection, the risk of having a severe reinfection is only approximately 1% of the risk of a previously uninfected person having a severe primary infection. It needs to be determined whether such protection against severe disease at reinfection lasts for a longer period, analogous to the immunity that develops against other seasonal “common-cold” coronaviruses,4 which elicit short-term immunity against mild reinfection but longer-term immunity against more severe illness with reinfection. If this were the case with SARS-CoV-2, the virus (or… Read more »
Of course – the same feature as usual applies even to the ‘optimistic’ death figures.
Adjust the y-axis to the real world (max 100,000) and you have a picture of an absolute risk reduction, which is distinctly unimpressive.
Beyond that, there are massive questions around the comparability of the samples.
Nothing against all this talk about the statistics, but we should not forget to talk about the real thing, the funny little invisible pandemic. Why do we care so much about those vaccines when only a few people get sick and when we even can’t say if they have covid or a flu, not to forget that doctors can handle this sick people without expensive vaccines. …. and than there is this useless PCR test.
Combine the points you made, add them up, and its easy to see that this whole thing is a hoax, there is no novel virus sweeping the land, thats the cover story for the introduction of tyrannical policies and tricking people into rolling their sleeve up for the weaponised jabs.
Well thats it indeed, so why bother with statistics about how many blue eyed people die with covid against how many brown eyed people die when covid doesn’t exist. Its the wrong discussion, in my eyes we should force the tyranns to give a scientific prove of their pandemic theory, its not our work to prove that there is no pandemic. I know i sound naiv, but i dont like to waste my time anymore with articles like the one above.
Well put.. its pushing the real debate that should be had down a siding..
Yes, so many ‘sceptics’ on here discussing the ins and outs of regime propaganda as if its a genuine record of the situation.
It is an absolute priority to stop these vaccines and the coercion behind them. People are dyiing and being maimed.
This has never been about a virus – maybe not even about the vaccine. It has been about power and control that is achieved through digital IDs, beginning with ‘vaccine passports’.
Many people I know seem to have endless colds and coughs since taking the vax.
Sorry about your missing brain, happens to the best of us 😉
BJ has a brain, it is honesty, integrity and a moral compass that he lacks.
I ask myself.. why on earth would I believe anything from an official body like the UKHSA when their track record, as well as every other government body in the UK has been obfuscation and lies regarding this alleged pandemic from day one.
Not only that its known worldwide by those that are awake that the wretched injections are killing people because they contain toxic materials. Therefore any authority coercing people into a dangerous medical procedure are hardly going to be telling the participants are they..
Why is a sceptic mag treating a criminal regimes data as if it were true and accurate?
Exactly..
Pfizer knew by the end of February 2021 from its own data that the risk of death from its product was 3% for an infection with a 99.7% survival rate…. They were also aware of the types of adverse events but labelled these as nothing to see, keep observing… As published in their own post marketing report…
https://phmpt.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/11/5.3.6-postmarketing-experience.pdf
‘This is very likely down to the booster campaign, and it’s more or less what we’d have expected: the vaccines provide protection that after some months appears to decay to the point of negative efficacy.’
In the USA Fauci changed the PCR cycle rates for the vaxxed to 28 down from 40+ so as to guarante that the vax appeared to work, I assume our criminal government has done something similar?
We will never be told but given the regimes lying track record its safe to assume that is the case.
Not yet peer reviewed but……
Latest statistics on England mortality data suggest systematic mis-categorisation of vaccine status and uncertain effectiveness of Covid-19 vaccination.
“With these considerations in mind we applied adjustments to the ONS data and showed that they lead to the conclusion that the vaccines do not reduce all-cause mortality, but rather produce genuine spikes in all-cause mortality shortly after vaccination.”
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/356756711_Latest_statistics_on_England_mortality_data_suggest_systematic_mis-categorisation_of_vaccine_status_and_uncertain_effectiveness_of_Covid-19_vaccination
The latest EudraVigilance figures came out today. I have summarised these with Friday’s adverse reactions from UK (Yellow Cards) and yesterday’s USA (VAERS) in one simple table. The Acrobat file (VaxSummary.pdf) and other bits and pieces can be found in a shared folder here which is kept up to date.
Let’s put these deaths into perspective.
A typical 747 jumbo jet carries 350-450 passengers.
The total deaths so far in the UK are worse than 4 jumbo jet disasters – in under 1 year.
The deaths in USA are currently equivalent to 1 jumbo jet disaster per week!
The deaths in Europe are currently equivalent to 2 jumbo jet disasters per week!
What sort of outcry would there be about such accidents? Yet these jabs are deliberate!
And these are just the reported numbers! They are probably no more than 10% of the reality!
These organisations were established not to record every adverse response (inc death), but to act as an early-warning system to highlight dangerous drugs. They have actually succeeded in their purpose, but governments world-wide have seen fit to ignore the data – why?
That’s right. We don’t know exactly the level of under-reporting, but we can make a stab at it using the leaked document from Pfizer from phase 2 trials.
There were 1,223 fatalities out of 42,086 cases. Allowing for age standardised mortality (I get 996), the deaths due to the jabs are 227. That is 1 in 185. The USA is, on average, reporting 1 in 10,978 deaths.
If the test sample was representative, that suggests only 1.6% are being reported!
Hi Mike,
I am not doubting your numbers, but how do you reconcile the reported Eudravigilance deaths that you have, with the EMA safety reports on each of the vaccines, which are about 1/3 of the number (though still bloody awful, at around 1 in 30,000 – far higher than many people’s chances of catching and dying from COVID in the few weeks duration in which a vaccine might give any semblance of protection).
Thanks
First of all, I present the risk per 2 jabs. That represents a fully-jabbed victim. Then, if you look at the Acrobat file in the link, the second page has a chart of risk vs. time. Around May/June, the 3 week average risk was around 2/3 of the rolling average. So 1/2 times 2/3 = 1/3!
Always look out for cherry-picked data from those who have vested interests!
Sorry maybe I wasn’t clear. On the EMA safety report for Pfizer for example for early Nov, there are only about 5.5k deaths reported, from memory.
Why might it be different?
i probably got back to this too late for you to see it, I will message as well.
There is indeed an issue here of death count versus count of reactions associated with a death. I have messaged you.
One thing I find strange is that I don’t know, personally, anyone who has had covid. Yes, friends of friends or perhaps someone who lives in my village, but I don’t know any ‘sufferers’ closely enough to ask them, for example, what it was like, how ill did they feel etc. You’d think, for such an allegedly virulent virus, there would be loads. I am retired and live rurally, so that may have some bearing. However, I do know someone who had a stroke after vaccination, go figure. I have had 2 Pfizer vaccines – I had them hoping foreign travel would be easy (as promised). I wish I had done more research beforehand. Truthfully I have never felt the same since, and as I already had a heart problem, I feel it has been exacerbated by the vaccine. I refuse to have any boosters. Probably a bit off topic
Our healthcare system is about to experience a tsunami! Potential side effects of jabs include chronic inflammation, because the vaccine continuously stimulates the immune system to produce antibodies. Other concerns include the possible integration of plasmid DNA into the body’s host genome, resulting in mutations, problems with DNA replication, triggering of autoimmune responses, and activation of cancer-causing genes. Alternative COVID cures EXIST. Ivermectin is one of them. While Ivermectin is very effective curing COVID symptoms, it has also been shown to eliminate certain cancers. Do not get the poison jab. Get your Ivermectin today while you still can! https://ivmpharmacy.com