Italy to Place Further Restrictions on the Unvaccinated with ‘Super Green Pass’

Under Italy’s current ‘green pass’ system, the unvaccinated must provide proof of a negative Covid test taken within the last 48 hours to be permitted the same rights as the vaccinated, but that is set to change when the country adopts the ‘super green pass’. When the new rules are brought in, the unvaccinated must now show that they have recovered from Covid or get jabbed in order to enter cinemas, gyms, stadiums, and numerous other public venues, although it is not yet apparent whether the measures will be enforced nationally or only apply to local regions with high infection rates. The Guardian has the story.

The ‘super green pass’ is expected to take effect over the next week and would require people to prove they are vaccinated or have recovered from Covid in order to access cinemas, theatres, gyms, nightclubs, ski lifts and stadiums, as well as to be served indoors at bars and restaurants.

Under current ‘green pass’ rules, those who provide proof of a negative test taken within the previous 48 hours are permitted to access those activities.

The Prime Minister, Mario Draghi, has been under pressure from regional governors to impose a stricter health mandate against people who have not been vaccinated. He is meeting cabinet ministers on Wednesday afternoon to give the decree the final nod, according to reports in the Italian press.

Draghi is also reported to be contemplating making the Covid vaccine obligatory for the police force and teachers.

It is unclear if the new pass would be required across Italy or only in regions with high infections and where hospitals are under strain.

Italy introduced its green pass in August and made it mandatory for workplaces in October. It is also required for boarding long-distance trains and domestic flights. Under the new measure, unvaccinated people will still be able to travel and access their workplace with proof of a negative test.

The workplace mandate intensified protests across the country, especially in the northern city of Trieste, where there has been a sharp rise in infections and hospitalisations in recent weeks. Calls for tighter rules have been led by Massimiliano Fedriga, the president of Friuli Venezia Giulia, the region surrounding Trieste.

This month Fedriga, a politician with the far-right League, described the anti-vaccination and anti-green pass protests as “idiocy”. He said on Sunday that the super green pass was not discriminatory and the only alternative would be another lockdown.

Umberto Lucangelo, the head of an intensive care unit at a hospital in Trieste, recently said 90% of Covid patients were unvaccinated and many had been involved in the protests.

The tougher rules have been supported by regional presidents from across the political spectrum. Stefano Bonaccini, the centre-left Democratic party president of Emilia-Romagna, told Ansa: “I think people who are vaccinated should have a preferential path in those places of social and cultural life, in particular, in order to prevent them from having to close.”

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Cecil B
Cecil B
4 years ago

Sounds like the prelude to another punch up

Cecil B
Cecil B
4 years ago
Reply to  Cecil B

Send for the Wallopers as Tony Hancock might say

Gregoryno6
4 years ago
Reply to  bOrgkilLaH1of7

So they moved the horror show from South America to Africa. Is that their idea of spreading the wealth?

Noumenon
4 years ago
Reply to  bOrgkilLaH1of7

Agent 1: “We need to scare people. What place name conjurs up prejudices and elicits fear of exotic mysteries and diseases?”

Agent 2: “Botswana, Sir.”

Manjushri
Manjushri
4 years ago
Reply to  bOrgkilLaH1of7

At least Globocap Media have a sick sense of humour.
I really thought that DM article was a spoof for a while.

itoldyouiwasill
itoldyouiwasill
4 years ago

Umberto Lucangelo, the head of an intensive care unit at a hospital in Trieste, recently said 90% of Covid patients were unvaccinated and many had been involved in the protests.”
Sorry, but I don’t believe that. Is this clown saying that unvaccinated patients in intensive care have also been telling staff they have been on protests? What a load of bullshit. These people just make it up as they go along.
I am losing any semblance of respect for the medical establishment. They should be standing up against this BS and going on record about the vast numbers of people with vaccine side effects currently on wards. Where are the whistle-blowers? Most of them are such spineless bastards, all they are worried about is their jobs and careers.

Londo Mollari
4 years ago

If the clown is correct, the experience of the hospital would eb at odds with everyone else – including Wales.

According to Public Health Wales, 83% of hospitalised Covid patients for Nov 9 – 16 were vaccinated.

Teamsaint
Teamsaint
4 years ago
Reply to  Londo Mollari

The fact that they go almost completely unchallenged on what are blatant and very dangerous lies tells us so much about the state of our media, and our world.

itoldyouiwasill
itoldyouiwasill
4 years ago
Reply to  Teamsaint

Well this is the problem, nobody challenges them. I personally don’t give a shit if they are a doctor or a fucking brain surgeon. If they are talking shit and making it up, they need to be called out and held to account. It is almost like because they work in medicine they are completely beyond any kind of reproach.

zners
zners
4 years ago

yeah problem is how do you prove them wrong

BillRiceJr
BillRiceJr
4 years ago
Reply to  zners

If you pen a rebuttal proving they are wrong (and lying) … who will publish this rebuttal?

CynicalRealist
4 years ago
Reply to  zners

You need the stats – which is why governments are trying not to publish the most useful ones. Same issue was highlighted by the critique of that Guardian article a day or two ago – we all know that the claim that a large proportion of ICU Covid (or “Covid”) patients are unvaxxed is probably bollox (based on what stats are available), but they don’t seem to be publishing the specifically-relevant stats now which makes it difficult to definitively prove it.

Teamsaint
Teamsaint
4 years ago
Reply to  CynicalRealist

All cause mortality stats, by vaxx status and age would tell us a lot.
but they dont seem to want to publish those either.

FrankFisher
4 years ago
Reply to  Teamsaint

ONS has that data up Jan-July, and it showed vaxxed dying at x4 the rate of unvaxxed.

BeBopRockSteady
4 years ago
Reply to  Teamsaint

Have you seen Prof Norman Fenton’s latest presentation? He covers this, its on YouTube.

The statistical waters have been muddied, but with all cause mortality it becomes somewhat simpler. His conclusions are eye opening to say the least.

helenf
4 years ago
Reply to  CynicalRealist

ICNARC must have the vaccination status of all the so-called covid-positive patients in ICU but after all this time of publishing weekly reports and telling us what the patients’ BMI’s are, whether they’ve been recently pregnant, whether they live in the city or the country, what their deprivation index is, and what their shoe size is (ok, not that one), they still can’t tell us if they’re vaccinated or not! That’s so ridiculous, it has to be because they don’t want us to see, because it doesn’t support the narrative. Shame on them.

Star
4 years ago
Reply to  zners

On the good side, there has been a lot of resistance in Trieste and most people there won’t believe this rubbish.

BeBopRockSteady
4 years ago

Some get challenged, this Doctor in Northern Ireland was lying in a similar fashion. These guys called her on it:

Update on Dr Emma Keelan/BBCNI Lies – Citizen Journalists (citizenjournos.com)

huxleypiggles
4 years ago

I am past the point of showing what is clearly unwarranted respect to medical personnel.

In March, following hospitalisation for a heart attack I had to explain the myth of ‘Asymptomatic transmission.’ The cardiologist was clearly appalled that a humble patient would challenge his authority and superior knowledge and f.cKd off with a departing:

“I am not prepared to discuss this further.”

HumanRightsForever
HumanRightsForever
4 years ago
Reply to  Teamsaint

Apparently, there is no such thing as independent media anymore, (apart maybe from websites crow funded by readers). This lady here says MSM belongs to FIVE global corpos. https://twitter.com/wakeupfromcovid/status/1369477708632236032?s=20

Lister of Smeg
Lister of Smeg
4 years ago
Reply to  Londo Mollari

Ironically it’s good for us in England that Wales and Scotland have gone the vaxx passport/more restrictions route, because we can now dirtectly show in the three societies why those policies are a complete waste of time and money and, in the end, do far more harm (long term) than (the tiny amount of) good.

Rather like with Florida vs California and NY state in the US.

JayBee
4 years ago

They are lying.
At most they share individual anecdotes.
They have zero summed up data.
We are spoiled in that regard in the UK.
And if the UK data is remotely mirrored in these countries, as it must be, see above: they are just lying.

Cecil B
Cecil B
4 years ago

Umberto Lucangelo

It’s him, it’s him, I swear its him

Oscarone
Oscarone
4 years ago
Reply to  Cecil B

Here’s an article from the Italian newspaper Il Tempo. The photo of Lucangelo is a bit disquieting. Covid, vicino il ritorno ai tempi bui: il primario di terapia intensiva attacca manifestanti e no-vax – Il Tempo

Cecil B
Cecil B
4 years ago
Reply to  Oscarone

It’s him. Look at the eyes. Ok the hair has gone and there has been some poor plastic surgery but it’s him

Why do you think he’s wearing a mask?

All the time we thought he was in Mozambique and he’s right under our noses in Italy

I’ll ring Slipper of the Yard

Bellingcat
4 years ago

Same BS as the Guardian Anonymous ICU medic story. It’s not consistent with the facts and is also numerically impossible – we have the same ICU occupancy as last year where 90% came from 90% then but now 90% comes from < 10%.

itoldyouiwasill
itoldyouiwasill
4 years ago
Reply to  Bellingcat

Indeed. Any decent journalist or newspaper knows that anonymous articles are a complete copout because, let’s face it, anybody could use them to get over whatever message they like. They lack all credibility. That’s why proper journalists will push people to go on the record or won’t bother running the piece. I would not wipe my arse on that rag these days.

realarthurdent
4 years ago

It was also full of anecdotes from one hospital and no data and yet the reader was encouraged to extrapolate that story to apply to every hospital in the UK.

It’s a sign of how desperate they are if this is the best they have.

Mogwai
4 years ago

Agreed. The big giveaway that the Guardian article was utter horse shit was, why would a Dr need to protect their identity if they’re actually toeing the line and sharing facts that support the narrative? I could understand somebody being anonymous if they’re blowing the whistle on the fact ICU is full of vaxxed with severe Covid and adverse effects from the jab, but if you’re saying the opposite you’ve got nothing to fear. Also the fact there was no citing of any data, and the government data obv contradicted what they were writing. A journalist or government shill wrote that, but the Covidians will be lapping it up. Someone actually cited that as “proof” on the FB page I use and I duly tore it to shreds using Will’s article yesterday and the one by Jamie the statistician which was shared today. They think we’re all as thick as two short planks, honestly!

BillRiceJr
BillRiceJr
4 years ago

Re: “Where are the whistleblowers?”

Great question. We need an army of them and we aren’t even getting a squad. The ones who have come forward are ignored, fired, punished – basically made an example of.

Sen. Ron Johnson recently held a press event featuring several whistleblowers. No mainstream press covered the event.

BillRiceJr
BillRiceJr
4 years ago
Reply to  BillRiceJr

This sums it all up ….

Final scene of the (prescient) movie “Three Days of the Condor”

Robert Redford’s character has just given a shocking story to The New York Times.

CIA manager, when told this: “How do you know they’ll print it?”

Robert Redford’s character, says “they’ll print it.” But he doesn’t seem so sure.

END MOVIE. CUT TO CREDITS.

Go to about Minute 4 of this five-minute clip.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1XKFQVJlmZY

BillRiceJr
BillRiceJr
4 years ago
Reply to  BillRiceJr

Update: I see the “video isn’t available anymore.” Even this makes me say, “Hmm.” Hopefully a few people have seen the movie and remember one of the great movie endings of all time.

David.in.Italy
4 years ago

Meanwhile in another peaceful Northern Italian city that no-one has heard of, Varese. They seemingly had contrastingly two-thirds of the covid cases in their ‘problem unit’ of vaxxed, rather than the “90% unvax” claimed above. (These figures were released on Monday 22nd Nov)

https://www.varesenews.it/2021/11/aumento-contagi-ricoveri-pazienti-allospedale-varese/1402753/

“The most problematic cases were concentrated in the covid hub where the anesthetists who control the use of CPAP, ventilation helmets, are also involved. In all there are 11 (there were 7 on November 15). The total inpatients are 27, of which almost two thirds are vaccinated.”

so numbers of the infected but vaxxed in hospitals are shown growing, but as I was reading VareseNews, sensible comments from people with news were being vanished in real-time, as I was reading them – there’s a scary DIGOS digital-police who are presumably working hard at a certain narrative, “whatever it takes” is obviously needed in this nice country for health & stability.

BillRiceJr
BillRiceJr
4 years ago
Reply to  David.in.Italy

I got banned from posting at the sports site The Athletic for defending unvaccinated athletes and coaches.

Before I was banned (and cancelled my subscription) I was struck by the huge number of comments that had been removed for “objectionable” content or were awaiting “moderator review.”

What was left was 99-percent pro mandatory vaccine comments.

Anyway, they now own the sports journalists as well.

Teamsaint
Teamsaint
4 years ago
Reply to  BillRiceJr

Sadly, football forums seem to be full of the rabidly pro vaxx.
i really have had to distance myself emotionally from top level fooball.
it is beyond help , morally.

BillRiceJr
BillRiceJr
4 years ago
Reply to  Teamsaint

As noted, I’ve observed the same thing at these sites. This leaves me befuddled. I watch football games on TV and nobody seems the least bit worried about contracting COVID. They are not wearing masks at the game and they are going to the games. Indeed, they are spending plenty of time inside stadiums and bars with other possible carriers. My conclusion: Typical sports fans are being culled from Comment sections or they are too afraid to even post a contrarian thought on a website. Basically, people are censoring themselves. They know what they can’t say.

Encierro
4 years ago
Reply to  BillRiceJr

They owned journalism for a number of year.
Operation Mockingbird, CIA Media Control Program on YT 3 mins long

TheyLiveAndWeLockdown
4 years ago
Reply to  BillRiceJr

most are lefties that are prepared to inject narrative into sports stories.

BillRiceJr
BillRiceJr
4 years ago

I agree. The “groupthink” in journalism is probably 100 percent. It’s been called “pack journalism.” There is no employed journalist who is NOT a member of the pack.

They are pro every kind of diversity except diversity of thought.

TheyLiveAndWeLockdown
4 years ago
Reply to  BillRiceJr

It’s readily apparent in Games “journalism” the corruption (woke scores) and the obvious fact that these reviews are not done by people that play games.

Gamergate showed that the left lie and censor.

FrankFisher
4 years ago
Reply to  BillRiceJr

Censorship is the Left’s best weapon, always has been.

nbritt58
4 years ago

Unfortunately, some doctors in the UK ars also happy to take part in the lies, propaganda, and persecution of those who decline the clot-shots. Dr David Lloyd, a GP from Harrow had an article in the Daily Mail yesterday, also accusing the unvaxxed of choking the hospitals and ICU capacity, despite the fact the UKHSA’s report shows the complete opposite. The damage this is doing to people’s trust in the medical profession will be long-lasting and possibly irreversible.

TheyLiveAndWeLockdown
4 years ago
Reply to  nbritt58

Can he be trusted by patients now he’s shown to be a liar?

huxleypiggles
4 years ago

This is the real issue isn’t it and of equal importance is the fact that the so-called medical knowledge of these people is shockingly limited.

SimCS
4 years ago
Reply to  huxleypiggles

Not only that, the amount of time given to vaccines during doctors’ medical training is virtually ZERO. They are not the experts in this field.

milesahead
milesahead
4 years ago
Reply to  nbritt58

‘The damage this is doing to people’s trust in the medical profession will be long-lasting and possibly irreversible.’

True – I’ll certainly never trust another doctor.

Star
4 years ago
Reply to  milesahead

Not only true but a good thing, as the scales come off people’s eyes.

Star
4 years ago
Reply to  nbritt58

“Dr”? Ha. He got his doctorate where exactly?

Star
4 years ago

My all-time favourite punishment action is when suffragettes caught one of the medics who had tortured them in prison by force-feeding and they whipped him in the street.

He whimpered that he had “only been doing his job” – a plea later used by Adolf Eichmann.

Hopeless
4 years ago

Is the “percent unvaccinated in hospital” figure as hyperbolic and politically-motivated as the lying tittle-tattle supplied to, or invented by the Guardian?

Noumenon
4 years ago

Welcome to Wokeville where illness is illegal.

BS665
BS665
4 years ago
Reply to  Noumenon

Apart from the mental kind, seemingly.

Londo Mollari
4 years ago

By its stance on this, the League is going to find its electoral support cratering.

TheyLiveAndWeLockdown
4 years ago

Fascism: Check
Italy: Check
Austria: Check
Germany: Check
Camps: Check
Lies about disease spreaders: Check

Can’t think what this reminds me of?

JayBee
4 years ago

Is it now 1938, or 1944 in that matter?
That is the question.

Sforzesca
Sforzesca
4 years ago
Reply to  JayBee

Probably early 1920’s I’d say. A long way to go.
We ain’t seen nothing yet.
Hold the Line.

Off topic maybe, but if you ever worry you’re going to be the last human to be vaxt, you won’t be…

BillRiceJr
BillRiceJr
4 years ago
Reply to  Sforzesca

1920’s is when Germany had hyper inflation.

bOrgkilLaH1of7
4 years ago
Reply to  BillRiceJr

The year is 2035 in the age of NEW NORMAL

Myocarditis, vascular damage and vaccine injury has removed 56% of all functioning human life across the globe post SARS COv2s arrival in the 21st century.

https://www.ahajournals.org/doi/10.1161/circ.144.suppl_1.10712

The USA is on its 64th WhuFlu infection wave despite the monthly mandatory COVID booster shots for all remaining one-world citizens.

https://12ft.io/proxy?q=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ft.com%2Fcontent%2Fcde3ef32-a754-4aae-82ca-7d8153af51b7

And the FDA still has four decades to go before releasing the Pfizer vaccine data papers.

https://www.rt.com/usa/540667-pfizer-fda-vaccine-data-lawsuit/

The few useful puppet human’s still able to function are being kept at global overlords rambling Versailles style mega estates as obedient servants or novelty sex items in petting-zoos.

The world is being run by Alphabet AI and Boston Dynamic/TESLA robots on behalf of BlackRock and the global bankster/tech/pharma cabal.

Thank god its only fiction eh?

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CynicalRealist
4 years ago

But this time round there are some new entrants:
Australia: Check (complete with camps)
Canada: Check

Plus some of Eastern Europe too I believe although I’ve not been keeping up with goings-on in those countries.

Trish
Trish
4 years ago
Reply to  CynicalRealist

New Zealand: Check. Last night our government introduced “under urgency” (it’s only been 20 months since The Beginning so a really urgent matter for sure) legislation to bar The Unvaccinated from most of society. Oh – we are privileged to be able to have access to food and pharmaceutical purposes. I THINK we are allowed to get medical and dental care, but nothing would surprise me. But we are not “allowed” to use a hairdresser, beauty therapy, libraries, swimming pools, cinemas, recreational activities, bars, pubs, cafes, restaurants. And whatever other organisations decide they don’t want the Unclean anywhere near them. Many think this is perfectly ok. They will quite happily sit inside a cafe, watching the Undesirables press their dirty noses up against the window pane, watching the Compliant Ones enjoy their freedoms they so rightly deserve. Until their “boosters” are required of course and then it all starts again for them.

jennyw
4 years ago

Just in case anyone doubts the repeat of history, I was doing some research on the nazi persecution of the Jews. I used this as a search: “Nazi persecution of the Jews”, and “antisemitic laws in nazi Germany”. Lots of web pages as you’d imagine, so I randomly chose two, and copied the whole of the text into word, then changed the words ‘Jew’ or ‘Jewish’ to ‘unvaccinated’. I had to change a couple of other words for it to make sense, and this is just an extract of what I got. The full version is too long to show here: Nazi leaders began to make good on their pledge to persecute the unvaccinated soon after their assumption of power. During the first six years of Hitler’s dictatorship, from 1933 until the outbreak of war in 1939, the unvaccinated felt the effects of more than 400 decrees and regulations that restricted all aspects of their public and private lives. Hundreds of individuals in all levels of government throughout the country were involved in the persecution of the unvaccinated as they conceived, discussed, drafted, adopted, enforced, and supported anti-unvaccinated legislation. No corner of Germany was left untouched. The first major law to curtail the… Read more »

Cecil B
Cecil B
4 years ago

‘Super green pass’ is a misnomer


‘Even shittier green pass’ would be more accurate

JayBee
4 years ago
Reply to  Cecil B

Brown Pass ticks all boxes then.

BillRiceJr
BillRiceJr
4 years ago
Reply to  Cecil B

It’s interesting that they know that “green” now has a positive connotation. Anything with the “green” modifier saves people and the entire planet. They are merging the COVID narrative with the Climate narrative.

TheyLiveAndWeLockdown
4 years ago
Reply to  BillRiceJr

Blair’s Law
Coined by Australian journalist, Tim Blair as “the ongoing process by which the world’s multiple idiocies are becoming one giant, useless force.”

Emerald Fox
4 years ago

Remember next time you go shopping in Lidl and Aldi, you’re supporting German businesses and the German Government who seem awfully keen on medical apartheid.
And shopping in Tesco means you’re giving the thumbs up to the Vaxx Pass.

santapass.jpg
realarthurdent
4 years ago
Reply to  Emerald Fox

Unfortunately I’m running out of supermarkets that I’m not already boycotting for some reason.

I’ll have to go back to independent shops soon and my weekly shopping taking 3 hours.

HelenaHancart
HelenaHancart
4 years ago
Reply to  realarthurdent

Same here. I’m stuffed and not in a good way! Although I’ve got a good relationship with a local fruit and veg supplier, and I’m getting to know and support independent shops but it’s hard to get everything in a town that’s severely depleted of shops like butchers, bakers and candlestick makers – yep, probably going to need them too!

ComeTheRevolution
ComeTheRevolution
4 years ago

Fantastic interview with Jon Rappoport:

Jon Rappoport – Who Runs the World and What Can We Do About It?
https://www.bitchute.com/video/DTgQPX0DkJ8y/

BS665
BS665
4 years ago

Force’a Italia!

ComeTheRevolution
ComeTheRevolution
4 years ago

UK Column have recently uncovered that in the UK, the MHRA is NOT the decision maker for UK vaxx policy, it is like a shell company, a layer below the main controlling entity which is called the COMMISSION ON HUMAN MEDICINES. These are the people who are really committing all these blatant crimes. The MHRA is there to take the flak for the real culprits. This is how the Soviet Union was run, so that no-one could identify what was really going on – complex layers which deflect blame away from the traitors in the government.

We need to keep highlighting these crimes. UK Column can wake up a lot of boomers, and hypnotised Brits, because they are professional and have the pro studio set up and people like Brian who the older mob can identify with.

They broke this story in this episode starting at 23 minutes:

UK Column News – 19th November 2021
https://www.bitchute.com/video/2NzsatV04rmf/

huxleypiggles
4 years ago

Great people at UK Column.

Moderate Radical
4 years ago

Nearly two years into this horror show and the low-ranking healthy are still presumed sick until proven otherwise. Ironically, the subservient ‘privileged’ class in this hierarchy/apartheid may still be infected in spite of their pathetic little permission pass. This whole exercise is utterly absurd and evil.

But listen, it’s totally about your elf.

SilentP
SilentP
4 years ago

Another little piece from The Grauniad:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/nov/17/wearing-masks-single-most-effective-way-to-tackle-covid-study-finds

Seems to be a bit at odds with every other recent study.

Annie
4 years ago
Reply to  SilentP

It’s Grauniad fodder, what do you expect?
Of course, you could ask them why muzzled Guag Wales has higher covvie rates than unmuzzled (well, at least not compulsorily muzzled) England, but we all know it would be waste of breath.

CynicalRealist
4 years ago
Reply to  Annie

Could also ask them why muzzle mandates are in every single case completely invisible on graphs of infections / hospitalisations / deaths – but as you say it’s a waste of breath. They’ll just dogmatically repeat the received “wisdom” and refuse to enter into any discussion.

milesahead
milesahead
4 years ago
Reply to  CynicalRealist

I wonder how they can explain how North Dakota (mask mandate) and South Dakota (no mask mandate)have no discernable difference in Covid-19 infections?

realarthurdent
4 years ago
Reply to  SilentP

The idea you can “tackle” a highly contagious respiratory infection that spreads via aerosol at all is for the birds.

They are still living in cloud-cuckoo “zero COVID” land.

Portnadler
4 years ago
Reply to  realarthurdent

My sentiment entirely.

BeBopRockSteady
4 years ago
Reply to  SilentP

And general reality in the past 18 months.

ComeTheRevolution
ComeTheRevolution
4 years ago
BS665
BS665
4 years ago

Terrible news. Will the poor bloody infantry have to quarantine after contact, too?

BillRiceJr
BillRiceJr
4 years ago

Another example where “conspiracy theory” becomes fact.

Annie
4 years ago

No worries, it’s only aborigines – so far.
I suspect that, although all other Australians are officially supposed to prostrate themselves guiltily before the poor-ill-done-to indigenous peoples, most Australians don’t. Anybody able to (dis)confirm that?

Star
4 years ago
Reply to  Annie

The widespread apologies for the crimes against humanity that were committed against aboriginal people in Australia were accepted. The apologies were welcome and did not require prostration.

This is about what’s going on now.

BillRiceJr
BillRiceJr
4 years ago

Italy is suffering a rash of confirmed cases from ski lifts and outdoor sports stadiums?

zners
zners
4 years ago

I think a black market in the actual virus is going to arise. I’d rather get the virus and then show proof

chunky lafunga
chunky lafunga
4 years ago
Reply to  zners

Absolutely. Remember when one of the bedwetter responses to someone playing down the danger of the virus was ‘ooh I dare you to walk through a covid ward’ if I was in Italy right now I’d be breaking the bloody doors down to get myself inside

rayc
rayc
4 years ago
Reply to  chunky lafunga

The problem is that it still might not work. IIRC, only 1 in 10 gets infected while living in the same household with delta…

CynicalRealist
4 years ago
Reply to  rayc

Which very much indicates that some people are just naturally resistant to it, whether or not they have ‘immunity’ which can be measured in any way.

Moderate Radical
4 years ago
Reply to  zners

So you’d comply with the totitalitarian decrees of a bunch of tinpot dictators? How does that make you any better/less subservient (functionally) than the ‘vaccinated’?

peyrole
peyrole
4 years ago

France and the Netherlands are following Italy.
So the logic is that only vaccinated or recovered will get a green pass, those that test negative will not. This means those that are possibly infected and can transmit are allowed access, but those that are not , will not.
The only way this makes any sense is if the majority of the evidence about the efficacy of the vaccines is wrong and that they indeed do continue to provide immunisation against the virus. In which case of course there would be no need for boosters.
Whichever way you look at this the logic is perverse.
Which just confirms ‘its not about what they say its about’!!

John
4 years ago
Reply to  peyrole

Sweden won’t be far behind.

CynicalRealist
4 years ago
Reply to  John

And that’s one of the most disappointing of all, given that with the exception of vaxxes they are the only Western European country to have got most other aspects of the response right.

BillRiceJr
BillRiceJr
4 years ago
Reply to  peyrole

Which is really saying that the “facts don’t matter.” A fellow skeptic told me I should stop trying to persuade people with data. It’s not going to change anyone’s mind at this point. She’s probably right, but I’m going to keep trying for now.

If readership levels at The Daily Skeptic keep going up – this would be a very good sign that progress is being made. I am trying to send as many people in my little social media network to this site, one of the few with a large audience that challenges the “narrative.”

realarthurdent
4 years ago
Reply to  BillRiceJr

In my experience rather than beat people over the head with data and facts, it’s better to either challenge them with questions – “what’s the average age of someone who died with COVID in the UK in 2020?” “if 1000 people are infected with COVID-19, how many will go on to die, and how does that compare with seasonal influenza” and help them realise how little they actually know…

…or drop in little humourous comments with a point behind them like “I wonder how many boosters I’ll need to go on holiday next summer” or “it’s funny how the virus is dangerous when you’re standing up in a restaurant but not when you’re sitting down” etc.

Get them to start questioning things for themselves. Plant some seeds of doubt and then keep watering them each time you meet.

BillRiceJr
BillRiceJr
4 years ago
Reply to  realarthurdent

I do regularly employ the Socratic Method, especially in posts.

I’ve also challenged several journalists to debates. No takers.

rayc
rayc
4 years ago
Reply to  peyrole

There is need for boosters because the ministers have already ordered and paid for hundreds of millions of doses for the next year. And (at least in case of Germany – 200 million) it happened months ago, before anything was known about the further course of the pandemic. Do we need any more explanations?

sjonesy1999
sjonesy1999
4 years ago

Italian politicians have announced the Green Pass is not the biggest threat to freedom due to this weeks discovery of the Super Green Pass.

BillRiceJr
BillRiceJr
4 years ago
Reply to  sjonesy1999

In “Casablanca,” people were killed for their “letters of transit.”

Soon we will read of people being killed for their Super Green Passes.

The Nazis – who this time are not wearing black uniforms – of course control the Green Passes.

Where’s Victor Lazlo (and Rick) when we need them?

realarthurdent
4 years ago

The problem the authorities have with the unvaccinated isn’t that we’re a threat to anyone’s health. Or even that we’re disobedient.

The problem they have is that we know what they’ve been up to, we know it’s a huge fraud, the crime of the millennium.

That’s why we have to be punished.

Our job is to educate as many people as we can before it’s too late.

peyrole
peyrole
4 years ago
Reply to  realarthurdent

Eliminate the control group.

realarthurdent
4 years ago
Reply to  peyrole

That’s part of it but in my view more importantly – we know the truth about what has happened and can expose it.

rayc
rayc
4 years ago
Reply to  realarthurdent

I think the main problem for the politmafia is the looming necessity to throw away hundreds of millions of already ordered vaccine doses.

This would make clear to everyone that the politicians have wasted/transferred into pharma pockets billions in taxpayer money for no effect. They might even be held responsible for that. Avoiding that responsibility at all cost is their major focus now. When reality does not match their expectations for covering up past “mistakes” (some might say, corrupt deals for personal enrichment), they opt to produce a fake reality which does. They are basically too deep in this shit now to change course, just like a criminal’s only option is to continue running from justice while committing more crimes in the process if necessary.

huxleypiggles
4 years ago
Reply to  rayc

Somebody else on the ‘rayc’ laptop tonight 😉

nbritt58
4 years ago

Time for a national strike in Italy. This is turning into full-on persecution

David.in.Italy
4 years ago
Reply to  nbritt58

When the Trieste docks went on ‘peaceful strike’, all sorts of things happened. The strikers wouldn’t allow the National RAI journalists anywhere near the port, for some reason.

Trieste; famous for having the beautiful ancient city square “piazza unità d’italia” (united-Italy-square) filled with green pass demonstrators, or actually being completely deserted, at the same moment (if you looked at the ‘live’ webcam feed) so there weren’t any protests or protesters er….

the webcam & perhaps the real live actuality is that demonstrations in piazza unità d’italia are banned until next year

Star
4 years ago
Reply to  nbritt58

A general strike that snowballs into an international one hopefully.

JayBee
4 years ago

Can be replaced with Draghi’s, Jabbit’s or any Austrian/German politicians head too.

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BS665
BS665
4 years ago
Reply to  JayBee

Shouldn’t he have some diamonds, oakleaves, swords, and syringes on a shiny Knight’s kross? (Neck-dangling bling.)

Lister of Smeg
Lister of Smeg
4 years ago

Sounds to me like the world’s going backwards – via the 1930s/WWII era (fascists in charge) back to pre WWI where the rich and powerful dominate society and most ‘ordinary’ people have almost nothing or any rights.

rayc
rayc
4 years ago
Reply to  Lister of Smeg

We call that neofeudalism – as a serf you have to ask your lord for permission to leave your village. Also, your body is only allowed to labor for the lord, other than that it has little value.

Star
4 years ago

The Italian government is applying a “ratchet” policy – this is extremely clear. Or you could call it a “salami” policy, or getting the population “over a barrel”, but “ratchet” is a better term. The authorities are pushing, pushing, pushing, and in places as far apart as Germany and Australia some of them are almost visibly coming across like rabid maniacal hyenas, full of hate. This shows how important it is to oppose ANY turn of the ratchet – for example, the requirement of vaccination among healthworkers. The vaccination of children should also have been met with heavy opposition, as soon as it was mooted even as a voluntary thing. Let any of these measures pass, and soon vaccination will be required among everyone who wants to eat in a restaurant, go to a bar or cinema, go to a large shop (Latvia), travel on a bus or train, be outside their house except when they’re at work or “stretching their legs” (soon in Germany?), and then among the entire population (Austria), including children. And then – or running in parallel – the authorities will come for the vaccinated population, turning the ratchet against them too. Resistance is absolutely vital.… Read more »

BJs Brain is Missing
4 years ago

They (the globalist predators) keep pushing, pushing and pushing – don’t they. Anyone would think they want to initiate a violent response… At this rate they are going to get it.

And as for the Guardian ‘newspaper’, the ‘guardian’ of what exactly? Certainly not the truth.

The clock has been reset, we now live in the 1930s.

FrankFisher
4 years ago

Another footballer collapsed last night I see. All totally normal.

BillRiceJr
BillRiceJr
4 years ago
Reply to  FrankFisher

And no mainstream journalists ever asks or finds out if these medical emergencies could be vaccine-related. It’s taboo. Off limits. They intuitively know what they can and cannot write.

Hopeless
4 years ago
Reply to  BillRiceJr

The newspapers for which they write lies are wholly owned by government, via lavish advertising. Ofcom in turn rules with a totally biased whip on them all. At least D-notices were honest suppression.

TheyLiveAndWeLockdown
4 years ago
Reply to  BillRiceJr

 You cannot hope to bribe or twist, thank God! the British journalist. But, seeing what the man will do unbribed, there’s no occasion to. 
Humbert Wolfe, “Over the Fire”, in The Uncelestial City (1930).

Star
4 years ago

Dutch prime minister Mark Rutte, formerly of Unilever, has denounced protestors against the clampdown on the unvaccinated as “idiots”.

He has been PM for 11 years.

Do I hear anyone say it’s about time he left office?

Rutte had better watch out. Some of us recall that General De Gaulle called protestors “bedsh*tters” (“chienlits”) in 1968. Ten years before, in May 1958, De Gaulle had returned as France’s head of state as a result of the Algerian crisis.

“Happy birthday, mon général”, sang those among the insurgents in 1968 who could spare the time to throw some sarcasm at the non-entity in the Elysée.

C’mon, Rutte, you wimp, haven’t you got any better insults than “idiot”?

I am Spartacas
4 years ago

Meanwhile complete normality in Sweden – no restrictions, no masks, no passports, no nothing – and they have the lowest infection rates across Europe – makes you wonder what the hell is going on … Sweden has shown the way out of this insanity and yet many governments in Europe are ignoring Sweden and appear to want to keep the fear going – if I was an Italian, Austrian or German right now I would be absolutely fuming – I would be seriously pissed-off with my government to the point where a military take over to remove these covid tyrants from power would be most welcome.

Completely old normal in Sweden – everywhere. No masks, no distancing, no passports, no anti-scientific sinister nonsense And lowest covid issues in Europe for months, using this strategy. Santa is on board (he hates anti-science too) LOCKDOWN/MASK CASE IS CLOSED …

https://twitter.com/FatEmperor/status/1462398200980070401

I am Spartacas
4 years ago

This is absolutely disgraceful … why aren’t our politicians and this government condemning this tyranny?

Because its Australia, New Zealand or Canada its ok to turn a blind eye? No fecking way … this should be absolutely condemned.

This is what real totalitarianism looks like.

“Aborigini tribes targetted for not getting C19 jab. A plea to the world for help. “We are asking the world to please come and help us, please pay attention to what is happening and expose this tyranny and genocide before we lose it all”

https://twitter.com/WeAreTheNewz/status/1463520311756967939

Star
4 years ago
Reply to  I am Spartacas

Thanks for posting this.
For those who don’t already know, the handsign they are making at the end is a distress signal that spread on Tiktok. It is used for example by victims of domestic abuse or kidnapping who want to signal for help without their abuser realising.

Star
4 years ago

Meanwhile in Kenya the government says that from next month it will ban the unvaccinated from the premises of many businesses, and from restaurants and government offices. And the unvaccinated are currently 93% of the population.

refusenick
4 years ago
Reply to  Star

if it’s really necessary, why wait til ‘next month’? Answer: Because it’s actually a coercion to get the vax, not a necessity.