The Religious Faith of European leaders in Vaccines Will End in the Imprisonment of the Unvaccinated
I’ve written a comment piece for Mail+ about the failure of vaccine passports and other restrictions on the unvaccinated to avert a Winter Covid crisis in Europe. The logic of the policy seems to be based on a wildly inflated estimate of the effectiveness of the vaccines – but instead of abandoning it when it clearly isn’t working, European governments just keep doubling down. Here is an extract:
In spite of the overwhelming evidence that vaccine passports are ineffective, a majority of the public still want the Government to bring them in. In a poll published yesterday, 58% of English adults said they’d support banning people from bars, restaurants and other public venues if they can’t produce evidence they’ve been double-jabbed or recently tested negative.
The reason for this may be because most people still think of the Covid vaccines as being more effective than they really are. When they were first rolled out, we were assured they offered almost complete protection against the virus.
“You’re not going to get Covid if you have these vaccinations,” said Joe Biden.
“Vaccinated people do not carry the virus, don’t get sick,” said Dr Rochelle Walensky, a Director of the Centres for Disease Control.
“When people are vaccinated, they can feel safe that they are not going to get infected,” said Dr Anthony Fauci.
We now know that isn’t true. Vaccinated people can still catch COVID-19 and pass it on. The evidence suggests they are less likely to become severely ill or die for the disease, but even those benefits wear off over time, which is why the Government is urging people to get the booster.
If vaccinated people can transmit the virus, what is the point of banning the unvaccinated from bars, restaurants and other public places? You might as well ban people with ginger hair for all the good it will do.
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We ALWAYS knew that the snake oils didn’t prevent infection.The bloody manufacturers SAID so.
FFS.
When you get the jab
“Clearly One Of The Best Investments I’ve Ever Been Involved In” – YouTube
German Physician Warns Already Vaxxed: “Don’t Get Another Shot Under Any Circumstances!“ (notrickszone.com)
I wouldn’t put any money on the Yougov poll.
nadir zahawis company which he no longer ahem ahem has anything to do with since he became an mp
of course they are reflecting reality they always reflect the reality the Boris Johnson government wants us to believe
DS, are you out to depress and demoralise us today? Because it damn well looks like it.
Mr. Young has to tread a fine line when posting pieces ATL in the MSM. The fact that he created DS with a comments section that’s unmoderated speaks volumes to me. Amen to that.
If he were to go all in with truth-bombs about this rolling technofacist agenda his MSM profile would be cancelled, blocked… extinguished.
I’m certain his strategy is to hint at what the darker realities of this current dominant vaccines and boosters are best phase is, that and the green passes are for the safety of the greater masses BS spiel.
Both being lies in fact, with the science to prove it.
This sites readership and hits continually climbs, that’s for a positive reason, and I suspect the insightful comments section has lots to do with it. [collective hugs all round]
I personally am very grateful for what Toby has achieved for us so far…that and as an alternative voice medium DS has been allowed to continue.
The road ahead is exceedingly difficult, be thankful for any vehicle where the light of truth still shines bright along the way.
Bloody well said.
Alex Berenson reports that Comcast and Google have begun to censor emails.
And so say all of us…
Yes, so we will regard our imminent imprisonment as inevitable. The headline struck me as a betrayal.
Toby, this is heading for car bombs and assassinations. Please focus on the non-cockup. Thank you.
If there’s a God, Dan Andrews will be the first
Yeah, the ending with the ‘politicians fallacy’ ruined the article. I know Toby wants to retain ‘credibility’. However you have to speak the truth. The ignorant have their excuses, Toby doesn’t. Providing cover with the ‘cock-up’ theory can only embolden the puppet masters and the puppets alike. Though, perhaps Toby wants to stay out of jail!
“To stand up for truth is nothing. For truth, you must sit in jail.”
need something to read, but agreed no point pissing about with the street corner dealers need to go for the big guys.
control the media – control the world
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GcCQVkpWMcE
its a comprehensive report on how everything you (and everyone else) see and believe in the media is designed to form your understanding and beliefs and is bought and paid for…
Has anybody ever thought that Toby might have to claim allegiance to the cockup theory simply to keep sites like this (and the FSU) alive?
This site will be one of the first victims of the Online Hate policy sadly. Everything will have to go underground.
Backup in physical and digital form. We are History, as it were 😂😂😂
Like Schindler? I like Toby however it seems odd that we can rip into the BS while he can’t.
The tyrants are showing their true colours now, both home and abroad. Still not taking their profit making toxic substances.
Good and detailed riposte against the demonisation of the ‘unvaccinated’ from a expert in Germany ( courtesy of Tom Woods)
https://mailchi.mp/tomwoods/demonization?e=6fe7ac95b6
Its started in the Northern Territories, Australia. The Army is transporting ‘positive cases and contacts’ to Camps.
Its OK though, because its ‘only’ Abos.
This is EXACTLY how it started in the 1930s. The most vulnerable of society were used as example, then it grew to anyone that disputed the rulers.
Clive James was right, Australia is a nation of prison guards, not convicts.
Can you post a link please to news about the arrest and transportation in Australia of aboriginal people labelled as “positive cases and contacts”.
It’s increasingly seeming that what we need – and what we may get if we act fast and we spread information about the anger that is growing in several countries – is an international general strike.
Busy, just seen your request.
https://www.zerohedge.com/covid-19/australian-army-begins-transferring-covid-positive-cases-contacts-quarantine-camps
“the evidence suggests they are less likely to become severely ill or die for the disease”
I presume you mean after the vaccines took out all the dry tinder?
*That* is the only benefit claimed for these “vaccines”. Since they emerged we have been told repeatedly that they neither provide immunity from infection, nor prevent transmission (all of which I believe).
Their only benefit, apparently, is that they reduce the severity of symptoms (I have seen no evidence to doubt (or believe) this).
So, apart from self-preservation (which doesn’t bother me; quite frankly sometimes I’ve lost the will to live), the only benefit to anyone is that I might not use NHS resources someone else might need.
Therefore, it seems to me, the vaccines should be reserved for the extremely vulnerable, or as a proxy, the old. Am I wrong?
Let’s see how that goes. After all, we’re assured the risks are negligible, and disinformation. No one will be killed, and even if they are, well, they’re old bastards, so it doesn’t matter.
As one of the unvaccinated, I’m 100% protected from immediate adverse reactions, I’m 100% protected from any long term effects and I’m at least 99.8% protected from death due to covid. I’ll run with those odds.
Superb comment.
One-upmanship here…Having tested positive and apparently recovered from the COV I’m also protected from the COV as I’m immune.
here lyeth the problem, i initially thought it was a reclusive enemy but now realise this personality thrives on public recognition – here is the worlds most dangerous global menace – cut the head off the snake!…
control the media – control the world
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GcCQVkpWMcE
Yeah – let’s ban gingers! (Said Prince William.)
At the very beginning of the bullshit show I said this world will end up like Demolition man, where those who done comply with the NWO will be forced underground. Spookily the year was 2032… I don’t think I’m too far off the truth now.
Not sure if this has been posted before, but if not, it’s a clear warning!
‘Mrna COVID Vaccines Dramatically Increase Endothelial Inflammatory Markers and ACS Risk as Measured by the PULS Cardiac Test: a Warning’
https://www.ahajournals.org/doi/abs/10.1161/circ.144.suppl_1.10712
But will our corrupt Governments heed it. Probably not, filed in the ‘nothing to see here’ category’.
I’ll send it to my MP just in case.
Circulation is THE journal for heart stuff. How come they’ve printed it? were they not got-at like the others?
It’s hard to fudge or explain away in peer review. A standard test used day in day out to monitor susceptibility has seen a massive increase directly in relation to the administration of the vaccine.
It lends weight to its clarity that in such a climate it still got published
We’re way beyond science and logic I’m afraid.
The idea, or myth, is that the ‘vaccines’ provide some amount/percentage of protection – that it is less easily to catch the virus, less easy to spread it, and less easy to die if you get it.
Some people will claim there have been studies to prove this, but they can never find the paperwork, can they?
Let’s not forget that those countries currently experiencing surging
infectionspositive test results…“At the moment,
casespositive test results in England are creeping up…”Fixed that for you, Toby; positive test results are neither necessarily infections, nor are the necessarily cases.
FFS, man!
And even if some are actual real cases, well, it’s nearly December. Have the government and media not noticed what respiratory viruses normally do at this time of year?!
There will be blood on the streets.
The powers that be have war gamed all this – no doubt computer modelled. (Maybe by a Mr. Ferguson – never underestimate the incompetence of those in charge).
I wonder if they worry, just a tiny bit, that it won’t work out as planned. If I were them, I’d be a little bit afraid.
They may end up hanging off lamp posts – and we are going to need a lot of them.
Hi there 77th.
I completely agree they have war-gamed all this. However, like you I am wondering about potential cracks in their plans.
Have the ‘vaccines’ not turned out as planned? Is the resistance higher than imagined? You do have to wonder.
The hard nut to crack was always going to be the U.S. And the non-compliance and legal challenges there is very noticeable.
And if things are going wrong, what’s their exit strategy? You see for me, once they rolled out the ‘vaccines’, it became an all or nothing game. And if that is the case, you could well see many ‘storming of the bastille’s’.
Should I be dusting off my pitchfork yet? 😉
“And if things are going wrong, what’s their exit strategy?”
It used to be start a war. I suspect Putin or Jingping may help us there. They must be looking at the West and thinking; “what a bunch of pussies, we can grab whatever we want from these stupid, scared children”.
The problem the left has is an inability to listen, and to imagine how their opposition thinks.
You can hang 3 at a time off one of the wind totems pushing up your electricity bill.
Price of petrol in Finland gone up 42% within the past year. I counted it today. Filled up yesterday – 98% octane now 1.99 Euros/litre.
Revolution is only three meals away.
How much of petrol cost is government overhead (tax)?
The bastards orchestrating this will melt in to the background if they fail and the ones paying the price will be the likes of Bozo, Carney, Jabit and the like.
They’ll do.
Susan, you are correct.
As usual. 😀
Let’s hope that Professor Pantsdown modelled it for them then. He’s fucked every model he ever meddled with. Unfortunately, in reality they will have modelled this extensively using real data scientists and machine learning, using all the data that arsebook and friends have been scooping up from morons. Our best hope is that they don’t realise that only the morons were in their data sets.
I think I may build some models of my own. Factoring in (1) predicted continued wankeriness of the government (2) greater number of unvaccinated among younger, angrier, more testosterone fuelled people (3) increasing evidence that the so-called vaccines are shit (4) preponderance of lampposts in the Westminster area
There is a Robert Dyas on Artillery Row. I bet they do rope of some sort.
I am going for peak fury in March.
“unvaccinated among younger, angrier, more testosterone fuelled people”
You’re showing your age. They’re now snowflakes worrying about pronouns. Maybe it’s the plastic consumption that did it? I bet Testosterone levels like fertility is significantly lower than it used to be.
If it looks like it will fall apart they’ll start a war.
Which is even more fecking frightening now the world has nukes. The people “in-charge” are egotistical, power mad, idiots and they will screw up eventually. Unfortunately, if COVID fails they’re lining up climate change. Our only hope is a chain reaction of sheeple awakening.
Nuclear and global war has never been more likely than it is right now in my opinion.
IN fact, a civil war in America – most states divorcing themselves from D.C. – might be the only thing that prevents this outcome.
That is, fight a little war to prevent THE big war.
But I don’t know that a war is guaranteed or inevitable if large number of states seceded. Didn’t many states/countries secede from the USSR without any wars?
And as it’s the Republicans with the guns, we can look forward to a better USA!
The trouble with this article is that it doesn’t account for the vaccines’ effect on the jabbed, which includes obedient members of the security forces. When a msm organ like the Daily Wail can talk of failure of the immune system (rather than failure of the vaccines/boosters) then maybe it’s time to sit up and take note. There are multiple liens of evidence to suggest this is happening, and that leaves aside the effects of the jab on the vascular system.
Will there be enough prison spaces for the unjabbed, and will the agents of the state be healthy enough to use force against the unvaccinated?
The NHS in the UK is collapsing – it’s taken only two years for the politicians of the UK to flatten the system. the situation is no better in the EU27 or in Israel. I fear – or rather the jabbed should fear – that we are rapidly moving towards the endgame in this culling operation.
Who is supposed to survive?
The unjabbed will survive.
Perhaps not survive, but ultimately will be saved.
Some anonymous geezer in the Guardian today says ICU is full of the unvaccinated – my patience with them is wearing thin.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/nov/21/icu-is-full-of-the-unvaccinated-my-patience-with-them-is-wearing-thin
Isn’t it remarkable how the most pro-bedwetter elements of the MSM can always find someone whose own “personal experience” is completely at odds with what the actual stats show?!
Not even any pretence of truth anymore. Nothing more than propagandists. The journo’s will need to be tried alongside the MP’s and advisors.
the guardian and their ilk are explained here…
control the media – control the world
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GcCQVkpWMcE
I’m sorry but that’s horseshit and it’s easy to see why: The basic claim is that vaccination changed COVID from a serious disease for the old and frail to one predominantly affecting healthy, relatively younger people. It’s not only that we had this particular piece of BS in ad nauseam repetition at evey turn of COVID since March 2020, it’s also not possible right now: This would also have happened before COVID vaccines were available and then, the known death profile (roughly in line with naturally occuring deaths) of the disease had been different.
Apart from that, someone who works as consultant for the NHS who makes a statement to the effect of I’m getting seriously pissed off with the sick people I’m getting paid to treat! urgently needs to be kicked out of his or her position to avoid the next bunch of sensational headlines of health workers killing patients because they were disgusted by them. Wouldn’t be the first time.
I know, can you imagine? Would we under any circumstances tolerate a consultant saying “Ugh these disgusting fat people with their type 2 diabetes and malodorous foot ulcers. I am losing patience with them. I am seriously pissed off. Why don’t they just say no to the pie?”
No we would not. It would be beyond unprofessional (not to mention biting the hand that feeds them….without sick and injured people, we would have no need for hospital consultants). They are NOT paid to judge!
By the government double speak, this is probably correct. Only two jabs without a booster and you are unvaccinated. Not to mention within X amount of days of being jabbed, you are still unvaccinated.
Either way, it’s propaganda.
In Ireland they’ve said the same. The underlying context was that the ICU unvaxxed are declared so because they are immunocompromised and haven’t had the vaccine, or a booster even.
The evidence suggests they are less likely to become severely ill or die for the disease, but even those benefits wear off over time, which is why the Government is urging people to get the booster.
that much , at least , is quite true.
If vaccinated people can transmit the virus, what is the point of banning the unvaccinated from bars, restaurants and other public places?
In Germany and e.g. Wales, this is a case of pour encourager les autres, or um die andere ermutigen, for better or worse that is the object.
wear off over time
Worse they become liabilities.
Your opening statement above is UNPROVEN. It is in fact probably not provable.
Another DS commentator posted this link on another thread, but it appears to have been shrouded with Harry Potter’s invisibility cloak.
Covid internment has started in Australia. Shocking.
https://youtu.be/kqu7pd07Y_k
https://www.9news.com.au/national/coronavirus-australia-howard-springs-nt-quarantine-camp-to-house-5000-returned-aussies/43e91a2d-b3e4-4469-b2c2-01f9e97ffb28
It’s one of the big stories at Zero Hedge.
This is real. Not a movie.
The reason I have chosen to not get my booster is precisely because it’s likely the vaccines are causing reduced immune responses. When you add to that the limited duration of the vaccines, the use of vaccines for any but the most at risk has become not just a weird religious view but dangerous. Focusing on successful treatments is what is needed. And then a reminder that age-adjusted mortality is essentially normative in history. We don’t want anyone to die, but sadly, death will find us all.
lets hope the first 2 haven’t already defined your future….
If you don’t take your booster like a Good Citizen, you’ll have 10 days self-quarantine every time you come back to the UK, with Serco and Mitie checking up on you.
when we get bogged down in the blah blah we will never get to the route of the problem, an the problem likes it that way
Well let’s get rid of those making these Covid rules. That, to me, would stop all this in an instant.
Fact is, if the rules stay, it’s 10 days quarantine for any ‘unvaccinated’ person arriving to the UK. I have heard no tales of people who have broken this quarantine, but I have read tales where Mitie marshalls do come round to see if you’re where you’re supposed to be.
I can assure you, plenty of surveys have shown a majority don’t keep the quarantine. My lived experience would show this to be true.
Though I think a lot of people like the excuse to “W”FH for a bit.
I know people who’ve broken it, no checks at all, though admittedly that was last year.
Whoever it was some one phoned me when I arrived in the Uk where I was supposed to self isolate. Changed my sim card and nothing after that.
Needless to say I didn’t ‘self-isolate’ and that was June of this year.
That’s OK. I think there will be enough booster refusers + everything refusers to outnumber the Mitie numpties on minimum wage. What do they do when you don’t open the door? shamble off again. If anyone asks, you just say you were indisposed and unable to come to the door.
https://www.ahajournals.org/doi/abs/10.1161/circ.144.suppl_1.10712
https://www.mdpi.com/1999-4915/13/10/2056/htm
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/31607599/
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41564-020-00789-5
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/labs/pmc/articles/PMC8546144/
If a fellow medic asks you.
https://www.ox.ac.uk/news/2021-02-09-common-asthma-treatment-reduces-need-hospitalisation-covid-19-patients-study
Especially when this asthma drug works so well! (better than the clot shots).
This so-called bloody illness is no worse than seasonal ‘flu and we here should always bear that in mind.
Have we ever mounted a propoganda campaign of such nastiness ever before?
So, we must always remember that what us taking place has bugger all to do with public health.
Governments worldwide are waging war on their populations and for two aims:
Depopulation and enslavement of those remaining. I don’t believe any of us can imagine the depths of depravity the Carney’s, Fauci’s, Sorros, Gates’, Johnson, Andrews, Schwab and all the others will plumb to attain their evil and macabre ends.
We are in a fight to the death.
I think it’s more likely that European leaders will end up being imprisoned by the families of those lost to vaccine injuries when the truth comes out. And that’s if the European leaders are lucky.
The same families who did nothing when their elderly relatives were murdered by starvation, dehydration, neglect, and a large dose of Midazolam in the don’t-care-homes?
Yes. Them. When they realise what happened.
”You might as well ban people with ginger hair for all the good it will do.” steady on, do not give them any more ideas, it is bad enough as it is!
This is now like a huge ponzi scheme; as the adverse reactions and the evidence of ineffectiveness pile up, they up the ante more and more. Eventually they will either get away with the biggest, most evil and malevolent scam of all time or the whole house of cards will come crashing down. I would like to think the latter option will come true but I would have to say that at the moment I am not optimistic on that one.
“Winter Covid crisis” Lol. There was never a covid crisis. The only crisis related to covid was caused by evil governments and their lackeys and hangers-on.
“The Religious Faith of European leaders in Vaccines” Oh for goodness’ sake give it a rest. They don’t give a toss about covid or the vaccines.
Spot on.
I see no signs whatsoever of any kind of crisis – covid or otherwise. I see a lot of people trying to get on with their normal lives – no one is dropping dead in the streets – but for some obscure reason the health minister wants everyone, jabbed and unjabbed alike it seem now. to be locked up in their own homes.
There are so many of us that they haven’t got space in the prisons – they will have to put us in camps run by the army. And they’ll have to put tanks on the streets to cover their goons when they’re out searching house to house looking for us.
An Austrian nurse friend reports that the authorities in Austria are threatening to fine people about 1500 euros for not taking the “booster”, to fine them up to 3600 euros for refusal to vaccinate, and to jail them if they repeatedly refuse vaccination “requests”. She is optimistic. She writes that if the government stays on this path “they will just make both the vaccinated and the unvaccinated angry” and “if things continue like this there will be a general strike” and, if it comes to it, a war.
It was invigorating and a pleasure to read her message.
Huge respect to all Austrian people who are resisting fascism in Hitler’s birth country. WE LOVE YOU!
Totally agree well done to them all this weekend. Loved the scenes out of Rome, just wow
I’m watching what happens in two countries – Austria and Australia.
Will the people in both countries take what’s happening or not?
Religious faith? Ha! I’ll take Aquinas over Whitty any day of the week.
And then St. Maximilian Kolbe…
Can someone here read German? If so, please look at this site. I’m told it’s somewhere that lets people in several countries register for a clinical study that “allows” you “medically” to avoid vaccination – and it’s free and you can withdraw from it at any time. (If this is a scam, don’t blame me. That’s what I’m trying to find out.) The countries don’t appear to include Britain at this time, but they include Germany, Italy, Switzerland, Belgium, and the Netherlands.
https://www.ungeimpft-gesund.info/?l=1
This looks genuine to me (I’m German). But it’s just about an observational study about the general life and wellbeing of people who chose to remain unvaccinated (as far as I can tell by a quick look). There’s a so-called Eingetragener Verein (registered, private society/ club) behind this and the bylaws state they plan to operate world wide.
I think this falls some way short of an officially-approved exemption of the kind that would be accepted as a substitute for a vaxxpass, for example.
That said, it’s always worth asking anyone who is keen on the jabs, and who is aware that they are still in trial until 2023, how big the control group is, how it’s being managed etc. One of the oddities about these drugs is that, whereas most clinical trials in Stage 3 involve close personal contact, follow-up and monitoring with trial subjects, there doesn’t seem to be a lot of that going on right now…
The NHS website says that any treatment in Stage 3 trials is “compared against an existing treatment or a placebo to see if it’s better in practice and if it has important side effects”.
Is anyone here aware of the drug companies collating this data other than through their customer’s (i.e. the government’s) own statistical reports?
Does anyone know what the existing treatment or placebo is that is being used as a comparator?
I’ll take a closer look when I come back from the dentist today. There doesn’t seem anyone from the UK registered yet but I will try.
and if it does seem kocher how does a non-german speaking person access and navigate their way around what is being offered?
“(T)he evidence suggests (the vaccinated) are less likely to become severely ill or die for the disease”
I disagree with that statement. But how does that alleged benefit of vaccination compare with the benefit of a vegetarian diet, for example? (Many other behaviours that are good for the immune system could be mentioned too.) According to this study published in the BMJ, vegetarians and pescetarians “had 73% (…) and 59% (…) lower odds of moderate-to-severe COVID-19 severity, respectively, compared with participants who did not follow these diets.”
Strangely that study has never been mentioned from behind a lectern in Number 10 or on the front page of the Heil.
Extract from a letter sent to the NZ Medical Council from a retired Doctor in Tauranga. “… the still birth rate has rocketed. Usually there are 114 still births per year for the entire country but in just two weeks Hastings alone had 9 still births in vaccinated mothers who were following your advice to get the vaccine. You are responsible for the death of those babies. You have blood on your hands. I suppose you are also in denial regarding the deaths of teenagers. We have 2 siblings dead after the vaxathon in Christchurch – a girl aged 15 and a boy aged 17. Plus a 17 year old boy in Northland and a 13 year old in the South Island – both dead the day after their vaccination -and a 14 year old boy in South Auckland who died 2 hours after his vaccination. Also the 17 year old girl whose death should have stopped the roll out but was instead blamed, prior to any autopsy report, on the pill – which she had been prescribed some time prior so therefore the GP would have checked for clotting risk factors at that point in time. I know a… Read more »