Germany’s Tourism Commissioner Says That Mandatory Vaccination Is Imminent

Thomas Bareiss (pictured), Germany’s Tourism Commissioner, believes that the Government will soon introduce mandatory vaccination for all citizens in an attempt to quash a surge in Covid cases. A supporter of mandatory vaccination measures, Bareiss recently declared that it was the wrong decision not to have introduced the policy much earlier, and that “it is politically no longer justifiable” for the hospitality industry to “live in a state of crisis” while many members of the public “take the freedom not to vaccinate.” Sky News has the story.

Thomas Bareiss said the increasingly worsening situation in his nation makes it clear that sooner or later Covid inoculations will be compulsory and will be “unavoidable”.

He said it was wrong not to make Covid jabs mandatory from the start, but that the decision not to at the time was “understandable”.

Neighbouring Austria has said that vaccines will be mandatory from February 1st.

More restrictions are being introduced across the continent as infections soar and winter sets in.

Austria and the Netherlands have gone back into forms of lockdown, sparking unrest in the past few days.

Germany’s states are introducing restrictions as well, with some regions cancelling their Christmas markets or banning the sale of alcohol.

The nationwide seven-day rate of infections currently stands at 362.2 per 100,000 population, with the peak during last year’s lockdown being 197.6. A number of states have a much higher figure than the national average, including Saxony at 793.7.

Bariess, who is a member of Angela Merkel’s Christian Democratic Union, advises the Federal Government on their tourism policy.

He told the German news agency DPA: “In retrospect, it was wrong not to see that (compulsory vaccinations) right from the start. The hope at that time is understandable, but it was not realistic.

“For me it is politically no longer justifiable that entire industries, retailers, restaurants, clubs, bars and the entire cinema, cultural and event scene live in a state of crisis prescribed by the state for 20 months and are faced with great existential fears, while others… take the freedom not to vaccinate.”

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Londo Mollari
4 years ago

Hannah Arendt wrote “Eichmann in Jerusalem: The Banality of Evil.”

Lockdown Sceptic
4 years ago
Reply to  Londo Mollari

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peyrole
peyrole
4 years ago

Another little gem from Mr Oliver!

RickH
4 years ago
Reply to  peyrole

Yes – Neil Oliver has the ability to pointedly encapsulate the message better than most – and without ranting.

karenovirus
4 years ago
Reply to  peyrole

As noted yesterday, Neil ends his piece with

“I demand to see your papers”

‘We thought we had left all that behind, but here it is, back again’.

Milo
Milo
4 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

just had a conversation with a neighbour on this very subject. she JUST DOESN’T GET IT. Much to my frustration.

The vaccinated have to be allowed to go to cafes theatres and restaurants etc safe in the knowledge that they won’t get covid.

Firstly – what use is your vaccine if it DOESN’T protect you from covid to the extent that you are practically afraid to leave your own home [she most certainly falls into that category]

And secondly, the vaccine does not stop you from catching covid and passing it on so what is the point of excluding the unvaccinated.

I tried to point out the existence of natural immunity to her. Was total news to her.

Arrgghhhhhhh.

Annie
4 years ago
Reply to  Milo

She obviously has no belief at all in the ability of the snake oil to protect her.

Milo
Milo
4 years ago
Reply to  Annie

No – it isn’t that – she doesn’t seem to have any kind of a functioning brain. She seems to think that being vaccinated makes her “safe” somehow.

To my mind all it seems to have done is eroded whatever brain function might have been there in the first place.

I am seeing a lot of that these days in the double and triple jabbed. My brain working fairly normally; theirs very dumbed down.

helenf
4 years ago
Reply to  Milo

You’re not alone. I’ve noticed that too, as has my partner. You only have to look at the state of people’s driving these days!

Emerald Fox
4 years ago
Reply to  helenf

Beep! Beep!

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Rick Bradford
Rick Bradford
4 years ago
Reply to  Milo

The vaccinated are far more scared of catching Covid than the unvaccinated.

Milo
Milo
4 years ago
Reply to  Rick Bradford

Agreed – likely because they have fully bought into the fear and brainwashing whereas the unjabbed see it all for what it really is.

karenovirus
4 years ago
Reply to  Milo

Last week Local Online carried a report interviewing people in a Covid Hotspot demanding a new mask mandate.

One of them says ‘you can’t trust the vaccine because some people haven’t had it so we’re not safe’.

Curiously non of the people in the two accompanying streetscapes are wearing masks voluntarily.

karenovirus
4 years ago
Reply to  Milo

Meanwhile all her mumsnet coffeeholes will go bust.

Milo
Milo
4 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

Maybe that is the “unintended” [?] consequence?

Emerald Fox
4 years ago

Bracknell is Babylon!

No I'm Spartacus!
4 years ago

You don’t have to have the vaccine, but if you don’t have it, then you’ll have to have it.

arany madar
arany madar
4 years ago

They use this double-talk in Brazil too. The Supreme Court says “the vaccine will be mandatory but it won’t be forced.”

helenf
4 years ago

No, it’s ok, if you haven’t been vaccinated, and you haven’t had covid and recovered, you’ll be dead by the end of winter, so no need to enforce mandatory vaccination!
https://news.sky.com/story/germans-will-be-vaccinated-recovered-or-dead-by-end-of-winter-health-minister-jens-spahn-says-as-covid-cases-surge-12475979

DJ Dod
4 years ago

Compulsory vaccination – the final solution to the Covid problem?

bOrgkilLaH1of7
4 years ago
Reply to  DJ Dod

Compulsory vaccination – the final solution to the useless eater problem?

There… fixed it for you. And coming here folks in ….3…..2….1

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TheyLiveAndWeLockdown
4 years ago
Reply to  DJ Dod

It’s worse than this
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It’s literally this
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amanuensis
4 years ago

Germany has had three main covid waves over the last two years. Ignoring the first (as there wasn’t much testing) they had:

  • Autumn 2020 with a peak of about 30,000 cases per day.
  • Spring 2021 with a peak of about 20,000 cases per day.

They then vaccinated 70% of the population.

Their current wave is at 50,000 cases per day and rising.

Their solution — vaccinate more.

But it is the way with politicians — if their chosen solution has problems then it is always with those that don’t behave, and never with their chosen solution.

Yet people still believe them. I guess we’re all stupid.

TheyLiveAndWeLockdown
4 years ago
Reply to  amanuensis

Modern politics is always about doing more of something after the original excuse was shown to be wrong (almost always because the original something was an establishment demand they thought they could squish into the “new normal”)

8bit
8bit
4 years ago

…politics is always about doing more of something after…

In this case, you’d have to believe an initial assumption of government good will.

Rick Bradford
Rick Bradford
4 years ago

“All government policy is an attempt to cover up past failures.”

zners
zners
4 years ago
Reply to  amanuensis

Just make those cases up!

BillRiceJr
BillRiceJr
4 years ago
Reply to  amanuensis

I call it the Law of Opposite Effects: Whatever solution the government program is supposed to produce, it will actually produce the opposite result.

The vaccines were supposed to virtually eliminate cases. Instead, the opposite happened – they are higher than ever.

GlassHalfFull
4 years ago

Germany and Austria.
Italy will be next.
History repeating itself?

karenovirus
4 years ago
Reply to  GlassHalfFull

Hungary close on Germanys coat tails, Spain expressing solidarity from the wings.

Encierro
4 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

Spain? One region in Spain tried to get all to be vaxxed and it was rejected as being unconstitutional. Changing the constitution in Spain could well cause more problems that it would solve.
At the time Spain’s chief epidemiologist, Fernando Simon, said that imposing obligations when they are not necessary is not a good step and it means we won’t be able to use such measures if necessary in future. At present Spain is happy with the uptake of vaccines.

Milo
Milo
4 years ago
Reply to  Encierro

wonder could I move to Spain?

Encierro
4 years ago
Reply to  Milo

That is an open question. But I would expect so.

cubby
4 years ago
Reply to  Encierro

Spain’s attempts to enforce anti covid measures have been rejected by the constitutional court – vax passes, mandatory vaccination, even the fines imposed for breaking the first lockdown have even been returned. The politicians’ answer to this dilemma is to change the constitutional court judges. Four new judges have just been appointed, one of them notoriously crooked.

Encierro
4 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

News just coming from Spain. The Basque region wanted to introduce passports for locations such as bars and restaurants. The courts rejected the application. However in Galicia, the same region that wanted everyone to be vaxxed has them.
Spain is broken. Each region is it own responsibility for health matters. Even BC (before Covid). Each region has to apply what thinks is best. However, they all have to go to the courts before these rulings can be implemented. This is a country where important decisions are being taken by the courts. Not elected and no experience in health matters.

Sandra Barwick
Sandra Barwick
4 years ago
Reply to  Encierro

Being elected is not turning out to be helpful.

Emerald Fox
4 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

All 4 Scandinavian countries corrupted too. Money talks – Freedom walks!!

Tee Ell
4 years ago

Germany and Austria the first to fall… it’s impossible not to invoke Godwin’s law at this point.

loopDloop
loopDloop
4 years ago

It’s becoming increasingly clear now that the goal is zero tolerance of the unvaccinated. They aren’t going to be happy with 5-10% unvaxxed and then just leave them alone. No, the number has to be driven down to 0. They have to eliminate the control group.

Rogerborg
4 years ago
Reply to  loopDloop

Zero tolerance of free will and dissent.

Pureblood humans are just the current untermensch.

Don’t worry, when we’ve been solved, one way or another, new diktats will be issued, and new Emmanuel Goldsteins will be identified.

wendy
wendy
4 years ago
Reply to  loopDloop

But who are the unvaccinated? People who have had no injection, people who have had one, people who have had 2, people who have had 3 but more than 5 months ago? What happened to natural immunity? Why are all these countries natural immunity deniers?

rayc
rayc
4 years ago
Reply to  wendy

Everyone who the government says so.

TheyLiveAndWeLockdown
4 years ago
Reply to  rayc

You’ll get unvaxxed status for anything out of narrative you post on social media.

cubby
4 years ago
Reply to  wendy

Who the hell downvotes these posts? Identify yourself and argue, you arse.

Emerald Fox
4 years ago
Reply to  cubby

It could be Sajid – anyone in the world can tick these posts.

Sandra Barwick
Sandra Barwick
4 years ago
Reply to  wendy

Because if they accepted NI the whole fraud falls apart.

Milo
Milo
4 years ago
Reply to  loopDloop

My thoughts exactly – it is about the control group.

They can’t have a group of people remaining well to flag up the massive mistake they made with the forced/coerced vaccination. Especially when they found out it didn’t work the way the drug companies had promised them it would.

Annie
4 years ago
Reply to  loopDloop

Which would have no effect whatsoever on covvie.
Backs to the wall.

Mogwai
4 years ago
Reply to  loopDloop

Problem with that is that the double jabbed will turn into the ‘unvaxxed’ soon enough. And they can’t possibly expect the same level of bovine obedience and uptake for the ‘booster’ as they did for the initial jabs. I know it doesn’t feel like it but some jabbed are starting to regain their senses and say “to pot with this. No more!” It’s dawning on people that they’ve been duped and the government are lying shitbags, stringing them along, with zero intention of regaining 2019-type level of freedoms/basic rights.

PaulMac66
PaulMac66
4 years ago

What will they do when they force the vax on the whole population and the cases still rise?

Tee Ell
4 years ago
Reply to  PaulMac66

Continue regardless of course, this isn’t about vaccines or health.

wendy
wendy
4 years ago
Reply to  PaulMac66

More vaccines – an injection every 5 months or you go to jail.

karenovirus
4 years ago
Reply to  wendy

Nothing like enough gaol spaces, they will go for your money or your stuff.

Hugh
Hugh
4 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

Didn’t that happen once before in Germany?

karenovirus
4 years ago
Reply to  Hugh

Yes, first the nazis confiscated most of your stuff and later took the rest before charging a one way ticket to Belsen.

Emerald Fox
4 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

Deutsche Bahn made the Jews pay for their train tickets to the concentration/extermination camps. Deutsche Bahn nowadays run many train services in the UK.
Think about that next time you are on one and supporting DB.

“Deutsche Bahn placed a bid in May 2010 for the UK-based transport company Arriva. Arriva runs bus and rail companies in 12 European countries. The merger was approved by the European Commission in August 2010.”

Hugh
Hugh
4 years ago
Reply to  wendy

Talk about government support for business…

TheyLiveAndWeLockdown
4 years ago
Reply to  PaulMac66

the rise will accelerate.

Unless they coerce people to keep their immune systems on pfisers subscription.

karenovirus
4 years ago
Reply to  PaulMac66

Is anyone dying in Gibraltar with their post fully vaxxed surge in cases?

Jon Garvey
4 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

1 since August, on Worldometer.

karenovirus
4 years ago
Reply to  Jon Garvey

Of/with, how old, comorbidities?

You don’t have to answer that, we can probably guess.

Emerald Fox
4 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

They are all dead of the virus in Gibraltar.

rayc
rayc
4 years ago
Reply to  PaulMac66

The worst scenario is actually the most likely one – that the cases will fall soon after the mandate.

Then it will be said the extra vaccines have saved the day, and that we must keep them in order to “keep the situation stable”. With his “reasoning” you can establish perpetual vaccination without any checks. I call it “the tax on life”.

Germany already has one such ruthless tax: everyone who takes residence here must pay for MSM’s salaries – and when it was introduced it was just as cynical as with the upcoming vaccination tax – it was called a “contribution to democracy”.

Hugh
Hugh
4 years ago
Reply to  rayc

Ah, that’s why it’s 1st February in Austria!

Proveritate
4 years ago
Reply to  PaulMac66

Austria in a sense did something similar: they had a lockdown for the unvaccinated. But though they banished the unvaccinated from society, they found that the cases were still rocketing up. It wasn’t the unvaccinated spreading disease, then, but the vaccinated. And the response? Mandatory vaccination.

These numbskulls simply don’t get it that there is no way out of this by using more of the same non-sterilizing drugs.

TheyLiveAndWeLockdown
4 years ago
Reply to  Proveritate

You still think after all these “mistakes” it’s about health?

How naïve!

RickH
4 years ago
Reply to  Proveritate

These numbskulls simply don’t get it...”

I fear that they do indeed ‘get it’.

Seig Heil!

Hugh
Hugh
4 years ago
Reply to  PaulMac66

See Gibraltar?

Backlash
Backlash
4 years ago

These dictators coming out with this nasty rubbish need to hounded down and given a good pasting in public.

Rogerborg
4 years ago
Reply to  Backlash

Generally only after they rack up a huge body count.

I mean, we’re already there, but MiniTruth is still successfully pinning that on the purebloods.

Emerald Fox
4 years ago
Reply to  Backlash

Everyone knows where they live. But, apparently, smashing up bus stops is ‘braver’. It’s a bit scary actually confronting these people. They might tell you to get lost!

Free Lemming
4 years ago

I’ve said this for a long time and everyone thought I was some kind of illiberal moron – to give Germany the power it’s been handed, after such a short time in history following WW2, was short-sighted to say the least. Forever punishment? No. But withdrawal of power in the short/mid term? Yes.

Out of all the countries considering imposing these abhorrent mandates, you’d think Germany & Austria would be the last to consider it, not the first. It shows a malevolently broken moral compass that seems inherent in their culture. My only slight surprise is that that broken moral compass is so quickly adopted across the globe; including here in the UK. Appalling, but it’s time to accept that this is now a battle of good vs evil. Again.

RickH
4 years ago
Reply to  Free Lemming

You are falling into a massive trap here, and your ‘surprise’ is testament only to your massive naivety. This is nothing to do with German singularity – the ‘moral compass’ of the Third Reich can govern anywhere if the conditions are right. That is the real lesson.

stewart
4 years ago
Reply to  RickH

And yet, the first Western country to adopt Chinese lockdown policy? Italy. The fist place to introduce widespread vaccine discrimination? Italy. The people that take it to the next level? Austrians and Germans.

Coincidence? Maybe.

Free Lemming
4 years ago
Reply to  RickH

Wow, what an oddly aggressive reply. I never said it was anything to do with German singularity. I stated that, given their recent history, that it’s reasonable to have expected them to take a more conservative approach than other nations. I also stated that that my surprise that other nations adopted such totalitarian measures so quickly was ‘slight’. Try reading and absorbing before throwing around baseless, unnecessary, insults.

Emerald Fox
4 years ago
Reply to  RickH

The European Union is basically Germany and its tentacles. The UK escaped just in time! France will fold as soon as the Germans say “Boo!” to it. The only thing keeping the UK out of serious trouble is its nuclear weapons.

Keep shopping in Lidl and Aldi, and buying BMWs and Mercedes cars – every little helps the Fourth Reich.

Anti_socialist
4 years ago

I don’t know when it’s going to sink in, it’s not about a virus or vaccines. We’ve passed the point of if the virus exists, lockdowns work, vaccines are effective. The why or who don’t matter any more, we just have to STOP this from going any further before it becomes irreversible!

bOrgkilLaH1of7
4 years ago
Reply to  Anti_socialist

For sure we’ve reached this moment…. we need quality hackers to use the MSM system against this corrupt Great Reset takeover.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0IyuK069I-w

Anti_socialist
4 years ago
Reply to  bOrgkilLaH1of7

I sincerely don’t advocate violence, but some principles are more important than law & order, if it takes storming parliamentary buildings & taking control to stop this then so be it. This is about saving humanity.

TheyLiveAndWeLockdown
4 years ago
Reply to  Anti_socialist

6 unarmed people were shot dead in the senate protest yet the MSM lugenpresse blamed them after years of genuine political violence was ignored and police shooting was bigged up.

Anti_socialist
4 years ago

Perhaps it’s necessary to take control of Thomson Reuters etc first?

stewart
4 years ago
Reply to  Anti_socialist

I’m afraid there is no turning back from this now. Those.perpetrating this are in too deep.

This ends badly one way or another.

Either the perpetrators get their way and the invaxxed will be reduced to a very small minority and eliminated.

Or they push too hard and massive civil unrest ensues and some form of revolution.

For a small group of people this is going to end very very badly.

zners
zners
4 years ago

Hold on a second just read it again:
“It is politically no longer justifiable” for the hospitality industry to “live in a state of crisis” while many members of the public “take the freedom not to vaccinate.”
Does this make any sense? So an industry,namely the hospitality industry which I believe is a free market industry, is asking for bailout through the introduction of vaccine mandates???? Does nobody laugh at what he has said or is it a mis-translation perhaps?

wendy
wendy
4 years ago
Reply to  zners

The only thing we can take from this is that they want clean consumers. I would imagine many unvaccinated are avoiding going places where there is a lot of covid crap and haven’t Germany had a vaccine passport scheme in place for a while? It is total bullshit!!!

zners
zners
4 years ago
Reply to  wendy

Yep like moi. Haven’t been on a plane since 2019 and don’t plan to. Noticed the holiday ads are on full steam (TUI etc). We looked at ourselves and really did wonder who would want to go on holiday right now with all the measures in place regardless of vax status. I hope they all go down wasting money on advertisement

Emerald Fox
4 years ago
Reply to  zners

It’s not just about ‘holidays’ – it’s about the right to travel without all these nonsensical Covid rules & regulations.
Of course, they’re not really nonsensical when it comes down to the control of people and making a lot of money out of it – in this they have worked very well.

huxleypiggles
4 years ago
Reply to  zners

The hospitality industry is in crisis as a result of draconian measures implemented by murderous governments. The situation has nothing to do with how many people have been injected with terminal junk.

Even if there was a safe and effective vaccine there would be no reason to offer it to ANY population given that the IFR is less than 1%.

The current gunk is not a vaccine and has been designed to kill, maim and make infertile. This is genocide at its clearest.

EVIL. EVIL. EVIL.

karenovirus
4 years ago
Reply to  zners

Not a good way to help the hospitality industry to recover, banning 20% of their client base.
A truly liberal country would give a choice between vaxxed and unvaxxed venues like they did for smokers.

TheyLiveAndWeLockdown
4 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

unjabbed or shedders?

If you value your health there’s no choice.

prod_squadron
prod_squadron
4 years ago

Dear Thomas Bareiss

I highly recommend The 800 Diet by Michael Moseley. There’s a really good cookbook to go with it and in a few weeks you’ll have lost those jowls and no longer be at high risk of disease.

prod_squadron
prod_squadron
4 years ago
Reply to  prod_squadron

Marvellous, he’s taken my advice and in rapid time (half an hour) now looks a bit more like a Germanic god, either that or DS has quickly changed the photo where he was looking a tiny bit bloated.

Sandra Barwick
Sandra Barwick
4 years ago
Reply to  prod_squadron

He does look fab, doesn’t he, with that boiled blue-eyed stare. Be great in the next Nazi submarine epic.

martinbritnell83
martinbritnell83
4 years ago

No one seems to tell you what will happen to those who refuse?

karenovirus
4 years ago

No hotel breaks for starters.

ellie-em
4 years ago

In Austria, I’ve read it’s a hefty fine and/or prison term.
No doubt the ‘prisons’ will be the isolation / concentration camps that various countries have been building.

In the hypothetical situation that everyone – many forcibly – are injected with the toxic shite and ‘cases’ don’t dramatically drop or cease, what will be the next step? Creating neighbourhood / town ghettos? No go areas? ‘Humane’ culling of various peoples?

helenf
4 years ago

Apparently they die by the end of winter!

Will
Will
4 years ago

Fucking Nazi.

TheyLiveAndWeLockdown
4 years ago
Reply to  Will

He’s not a nationalist though, he probably hates Germans.
(I still upvoted).

steve_z
4 years ago

too late to get vaccinated now in any case. given you have to wait inbetween shot 1 and 2 and then 6 months inbetween each booster, you’ll never catch up. even if you went with it you’d be technically unvaccinated so what’s the point?

Rogerborg
4 years ago
Reply to  steve_z

Nicely noted. However, the point is compliance. Exceptions will be made for those who capitulate.

steve_z
4 years ago
Reply to  Rogerborg

they surely won’t make a full exception or it makes people think they’ll wait and see

maybe late comers will be allowed out at weekends?

Rogerborg
4 years ago
Reply to  steve_z

Some sort of accelerated catch-up jabbing, I’d expect.

steve_z
4 years ago
Reply to  Rogerborg

by the time they get to me they’ll need some sort of multi-barrelled water cooled minigun

Amtrup
4 years ago
Reply to  steve_z

rofl

rayc
rayc
4 years ago
Reply to  steve_z

Catch up to what? The only point is whether you have been jabbed in the past 6 months or not, not how many times (with the exception of the first two jabs).

karenovirus
4 years ago
Reply to  rayc

Wrong, ‘fully vaxxed’ currently means jab one and two.
Shortly that will change to include the booster which you cannot have until 6 months after jab 2.

wendy
wendy
4 years ago

What a piece of sh*t this German minister is!

steve_z
4 years ago
Reply to  wendy

he does look the type. never got over losing the war

rayc
rayc
4 years ago
Reply to  wendy

He’s not a minister, just hired by the government to run some minor office.

karenovirus
4 years ago
Reply to  rayc

Being used as an Aunt Sally to see how much flak he gets?

Silke David
4 years ago

As a hospitality professional I can understand that they fear another lockdown, and 3G, or now 2G, are not enough people making businesses viable. Christmas markets, christmas parties being cancelled.
To lazily suggest therefor everyone needs to be injected is just stupid. These people are “just” throwing around statements without having considered the implications.
I still have family and friends in Germany, but they are full on message, and I am getting to the point I do not care if I will ever see them again. They can come here and maybe if they experience “normal” living again, they realise what they have fallen for and advocate.

steve_z
4 years ago
Reply to  Silke David

they should look at some stats. sweden – no lockdown, no masks, no excess deaths. its a disease of the terminally ill – we should have ignored it from the start.

this has just let out a lot of people’s inner-nazi

steve_z
4 years ago
Reply to  steve_z

from stewart on the other thread – sums it up well I think

“This crisis quickly morphed from what seemed like a battle against a new disease back into the political battle that is at the heart of practically every political battle: the fight between individuality and collectivism.
One part of society want to tell everyone else what to do, another part of society doesn’t want to be bossed around.
The left know what’s best for everyone and insist on telling them what to do. COVID has turned into a busybody’s wet dream.”

Portnadler
4 years ago

I don’t wish to be alarmist, but are we looking at civil war across Europe?

realarthurdent
4 years ago
Reply to  Portnadler

To be honest, civil war across Europe is probably a better outcome than the likely alternative.

A Y M
4 years ago
Reply to  realarthurdent

Agreed. The best scenario is civil unrest alongside the loss of control of the financial markets before they finish getting the digital id and digital currencies up and running.
They will have lost control completely and be forced into overt police state actions.

Judy Watson
Judy Watson
4 years ago
Reply to  realarthurdent

II totally agree

186NO
186NO
4 years ago
Reply to  realarthurdent

with Putin amassing troops, equipment and Speznaz on the Ukrainian border – enough to publicly worry US Intelligence – what would give him a better excuse than to take control of the Ukraine “to protect the ethnic Russians being exploited by imperialist Ukrainian forces and the forces of oppression from the west:….etc etc etc. I cannot think any form of prolonged civil disobedience is in the interests of Western Europe; the Kremlin/FSB must be laughing over their Vodka.

Emerald Fox
4 years ago
Reply to  Portnadler

Probably not. The Welsh are still too scared to even go round to Drakeford’s house and pull him out.

Javy
Javy
4 years ago

Jeremy Vine has just told us of a lady (Anne of Bedford ?) who fell ill with Covid after having her booster jab. She said she was quite ill and in bed for a week…..but she urges everyone to get boostered because she would have been much worse if she hadn’t been jabbed. There’s just no hope for some…….

HelenaHancart
HelenaHancart
4 years ago
Reply to  Javy

Bit like the one who said their relative’s death would have so much worse, had they not taken the V. So have it anyway.

I am Spartacas
4 years ago
Reply to  Javy

Yes I hear this quite often – people who after the jab have suffereded headaches for a week, nausea, dizziness, shivers, hot flushes, lack of energy and even cold-like symptoms for weeks even months and yet they will tell you that it could have been worse if they did not have the jab… well I got the covid virus and it was just like having the flu for a few days or so – I also had the variant which was like having a minor cold for a day or two …. give me the viruses over the experimental jab any day of the week.

ellie-em
4 years ago
Reply to  I am Spartacas

Ive heard that some, who are ill post injection, are told ‘ it’s just your immune system kicking in’…

karenovirus
4 years ago
Reply to  Javy

Jeremy always likes to wheel out the quality even if her opinion counts for no more than ‘sad baby single mum’.

Bellingcat
4 years ago

At least the vaccines aren’t made by IG Farben

TheyLiveAndWeLockdown
4 years ago
Reply to  Bellingcat

They’re a “GIFT” from taxpayers.

Bellingcat
4 years ago
Reply to  Bellingcat

Turns out BioNTech developed Pfizer’s Covid19 vaccine just 20 miles from IG Farben’s HQ

Judy Watson
Judy Watson
4 years ago
Reply to  Bellingcat

Well not yet!!!

realarthurdent
4 years ago

Why? Where’s the pandemic?

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steve_z
4 years ago
Reply to  realarthurdent

there isn’t one

realarthurdent
4 years ago
Reply to  steve_z

Indeed, cases are up and ICU admissions are up but compared to what’s happened in Germany already (or in the UK) there is no obvious crisis.

Clearly a political decision.

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steve_z
4 years ago
Reply to  realarthurdent

but no excess deaths – just old people dying of old age

https://euromomo.eu/graphs-and-maps/

A Y M
4 years ago
Reply to  steve_z

Also vaccine related deaths…

steve_z
4 years ago
Reply to  steve_z

only Ukraine has something going on

rayc
rayc
4 years ago
Reply to  realarthurdent

The real problem is that the German hospitals eliminated many ICU beds because of laws passed in autumn 2020. From then on it ceased to be lucrative for the hospitals to keep big reserves. Possibly the hospital managers also hoped for the rain of money next season like it happened in the beginning of the pandemic – it is in their best financial interest to keep the apocalypse going.

The ICUs in Germany are currently near full even though the number of ICU patients is 1/3 of what they used to be last season. The official lame excuse is that the staff is missing because “they became exhausted by the ongoing pandemic and left”. Of course, in reality they left because they felt they were scammed of their hard earned money – how can you be “exhausted” by an event which does not take place at all in the summer?

TheyLiveAndWeLockdown
4 years ago
Reply to  realarthurdent

Sounds like there also needs a graph of ICU beds per million as @RayC hints Ze Germans have dropped hospital beds to create a crisis.

realarthurdent
4 years ago

True.
Although if you look at hospital admissions graph they seem to have peaked and are now falling, so the ICU crisis may be short-lived.

karenovirus
4 years ago
Reply to  realarthurdent

Some time into Lockdown proper Jeremy Vine ran a story about Blackpool’s main hospital (700) beds being overwhelmed with Covids.
A nurse whistleblower rang in to say that only ICU beds were full.
All 10 of them.

It occured to me then that if the NHS really thought Covid was such a big problem why had they only allocated 10 beds for ICU months into the ‘crisis’.

TheyLiveAndWeLockdown
4 years ago
Reply to  realarthurdent

We can however find the Wallys; they’re all in government.

Viv
Viv
4 years ago

There’s been a report in the German paper ‘Die Welt’ today – paywalled, alas – which shows that the official government Covid website which was set up to counter ‘fake news’ has removed the bullet point stating that there will not be a vaccine mandate (“Impfpflicht”) and that those who say there will be such mandate are wrong.
Well, since that’s now gone and since their next-door neighbour has made vaccination mandatory from Feb 1st 2022, we can all guess what’s going to happen next …

CoronanationStreet
CoronanationStreet
4 years ago

Nice try by the German fascist but no one in hospitality actually believes their businesses are in decline because o a few people who haven’t been jabbed or have been jabbed2x but not 3x.

The damage hospitality is suffering is as a direct result of untried and never before contemplated policy which was deliberately introduced with the purpose of, in part, killing off hospitality in order to dramatically reduce alcohol consumption. Yet again we also see in Germany, Russia an elsewhere the proposal to “ban sales of alcohol” or to ration the (previously in Australia) in order to prevent the spread of an airborne virus against which either via jabs or natural immunity a large proportion of people are protected.

It’s laughable govts hide behind blaming a minority as scapegoats for the damage being done by govts themselves to society.

But where have we seen that before?

Yep, Germany.

isobar
4 years ago

Was the same in South Africa, where they banned alcohol sales and tobacco sales as well. You can guess what happened-the black market skyrocketed.

stewart
4 years ago

I’m left wondering what compulsory means.
Compulsory or else what?

Arrest you and force vaccinate you?
Arrest you and stick you in a prison for unvaxxed?
Fine you? (So the well off can stay off the hook)?

I can’t help feeling they don’t specify on purpose because they know that specifying the penalty makes the policy easier to attack.

TheyLiveAndWeLockdown
4 years ago
Reply to  stewart

Perhaps it means a stay in a camp after a one-way trip on an military train.

rayc
rayc
4 years ago
Reply to  stewart

They don’t specify it because it is obvious. There will be repeated fines, of course. And if you can’t pay the fines, prison. Same thing which already works exceptionally well for collecting the radio/TV tax.

stewart
4 years ago
Reply to  rayc

It will be something to see that rubicon crossed, the imprisonment of unvaccinated.

Emerald Fox
4 years ago
Reply to  stewart

Now happening in Australia’s Northern Territory.

Emerald Fox
4 years ago
Reply to  rayc

The ‘media’ tax is also in Finland – even for people who don’t own a television or radio or computer.

Stuart
4 years ago

Just done the Piece Hall Christmas Market and talking to security he said the one of reasons the Leeds Xmas market was cancelled was because German traders wouldn’t come to the UK

steve_z
4 years ago
Reply to  Stuart

weather not good enough for the landing craft? lack of air superiority?

NonCompliant
4 years ago
Reply to  steve_z

LMFAO

Emerald Fox
4 years ago
Reply to  steve_z

Polish border guard: “Nationality?”
German traveller: “German.”
Polish border guard: “Occupation?”
German traveller: “Just visiting.”

TheyLiveAndWeLockdown
4 years ago
Reply to  Stuart

Where was Darrell Edward Brooks AKA MathBoi Fly when insulate Britiain were gluing themselves to motorways? amazed his name is not mohamed mohamed as I’d have guessed from the media silence

Silke David
4 years ago
Reply to  Stuart

Probably not only because the German media paints the UK as a country where we are all sick with covid and the NHS is a death camp, but also high fuel costs, lots of paperwork, exchange rates?, and they would have to isolate for 10 days on their return, means they cannot work on any German markets ( if they are operating) for that time.

Catee
4 years ago

I would imagine there’s a lamppost somewhere with his name on it.

brachiopod
4 years ago
Reply to  Catee

The BBC interviewed a Dutch MP this morning who moaned that people rioting were telling him to prepare to be up in court for the damage his government has wrought on the Dutch people.

The apartheid that is being legislated for will need a truth and reconciliation process otherwise civic society is dead an buried. Burying the ‘few’ for the sake of the many is now highly likely.

karenovirus
4 years ago

‘Get Brexit done’ bozo will morph to

“It’s only right and sensible that we look hard at the precautionary measures being considered by our European friends and partners”.

Lister of Smeg
Lister of Smeg
4 years ago

Is it me or does this bloke have more than a passing resemblence to Keir Starmer?

steve_z
4 years ago
Reply to  Lister of Smeg

probably made in the same factory

HelenaHancart
HelenaHancart
4 years ago
Reply to  Lister of Smeg

Same little close-together, starey eyes.