Neil Ferguson Makes the Case for Focused Protection
Neil Ferguson, a.k.a. ‘Professor Lockdown’, isn’t the first person you’d expect to be making the case for focused protection. But that’s more or less what he did in a BBC interview last week.
Britain, the professor noted, is in a “quite different position” from countries like the Netherlands and Germany – both of which recently posted their highest infection rates since the pandemic began (despite the presence of mask mandates and vaccine passports).
“We’ve had very high case numbers,” Ferguson continued, “between 30,000 and 50,000 a day – really for the last four months.” And this has “paradoxically” had the effect of “boosting” population immunity.
I’m no expert in epidemiology, but I don’t really see the “paradox” here. If you have large numbers of infections, and they’re heavily concentrated in low-risk groups, then – yes – population immunity will be boosted.
(I suppose we shouldn’t be too surprised. As Martin Kulldorff and Jay Bhattacharya note, many scientists who should know better have downplayed or even denied the existence of natural immunity to Covid.)
Anyway, back to Neil Ferguson. Whether he realised it or not (and I’m leaning towards not), he was making the case for focused protection.
The whole point of that strategy is to protect high-risk groups, while allowing immunity to build in the rest of the population. “As immunity builds,” to quote the Great Barrington Declaration, “the risk of infection to all – including the vulnerable – falls.”
Given that the vaccines don’t provide lasting protection against infection, they’re best seen as a way to protect the most vulnerable. And even before the vaccines arrived, building population immunity in low-risk groups made sense, as a way to minimise the time that high-risk groups would have to spend shielding.
More than a month ago, I asked whether we should encourage young people to get the virus, so as to build up more immunity before the winter? If the latest data are anything to go by, it seems the answer to my question was “yes”.
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Why would anyone give a toss what that muppet thinks?
Because the Fascist morons do.
He is one of their principal operatives.
I suppose I should have asked why it is presented here in a way which, in the eyes of some, may lend it credence which nothing he has said or done in the past has had.
Your use of the word muppet in your original comment was far too generous and polite.
Because ALL the MSM do and thats all that counts. Sheeple will hang on every word he says without a shred of critical thought. If people did their research, they’d know that Ferguson isn’t an Epidemiologist, he’s a Physicist. he has no medical training whatsoever.
All of Neil Ferguson’s modelling prior to lockdown being announced showed the most benefit to come from isolation of the vulnerable coupled with quarantine of those infected.
It really isn’t at all clear why they went for universal lockdown instead.
It must be because of an effect they wanted. What effects have there actually been?
Perhaps bozo thought that treating pensioners differently would eventually lose him their vote which is why he went for
‘All in this together’.
KV you know better than that. This business has nothing to do with C1984.
Because they thought they could get away with it. And they did!
Thus far.
All of this has been planned.
Objective is control of every human on the planet via digital ID.
Even most sheep wouldn’t swallow that one so, viola, create a climate of fear – and the rest simply follows – dodgy gene therapy being the only way to stop everyone dying = compulsory “vaccination” = digital ID.
Focussed protection never stood a chance.
I think you have it!
Whatever happened to the “right to be anonymous”?
Group think and stupidity.
Oh yes it is – if you believe this all has nothing whatever to do with a virus!
I suspect its because every other country in Europe was doing it, other than Sweden. With the situation very unclear as to the severity/deaths etc, the UK followed everyone else. Its easy to look back now and say that it may not have been the right choice, but at the time, it was a crisis situation, and you go safe option, tried and trusted, at least ‘what everyone else is doing’. No-one wants to be the one to choose another route and get it wrong…
This is nonsense. All Sweden did is follow standard approved WHO protocol for pandemics. The lockdowns are completely experimental and never formed part of already wargamed solution to pandemics. This is a crime scence, a war zone, not a rational response to a genuine health crisis. Its a completely irrational response to what is at worst a low mortality rate virus. Dont believe me – allow HMG to explain. HMG downgraded C19 from a high consequence infectious disease 19th March 2020, before the first lockdown. High consequence infectious diseases (HCID)Status of COVID-19 https://www.gov.uk/guidance/high-consequence-infectious-diseases-hcid#status-of-covid-19 As of 19 March 2020, COVID-19 is no longer considered to be a high consequence infectious disease (HCID) in the UK. There are many diseases which can cause serious illness which are not classified as HCIDs.The 4 nations public health HCID group made an interim recommendation in January 2020 to classify COVID-19 as an HCID. This was based on consideration of the UK HCID criteria about the virus and the disease with information available during the early stages of the outbreak. Now that more is known about COVID-19, the public health bodies in the UK have reviewed the most up to date information about COVID-19 against the… Read more »
Yes, everybody needs to be continually reminded of this fact. Right before the 2020 lockdown too.. The political class at its finest..
High consequence infectious diseases (HCID)Status of COVID-19
https://www.gov.uk/guidance/high-consequence-infectious-diseases-hcid#status-of-covid-19
If Big Pharma, medics, and the state were going to go for “focused protection”, i.e. mostly protecting people aged over 80 who tend to be the ones most at risk from pneumonia, then 1) they would have done it nearly 2 years ago, and 2) hospitals throughout my lifetime have always been places where old people catch pneumonia, and seriously I don’t know how on earth the authorities are going to change that – the country hasn’t got the effing resources. “Given that the vaccines don’t provide lasting protection against infection, they’re best seen as a way to protect the most vulnerable.” Huh? In other news: click here to watch from 0:28 in Tesco’s Christmas advert and tell me that that couple aren’t under house arrest. (Note to those who haven’t yet begun to wrap their heads around how propaganda works: yes, I know that superficially the point is that Tesco delivers even to those who live in high-up flats. The actual message is that even if you’re under house arrest the state loves you big business still wants your money and don’t be a killjoy and moan about it – just accept it with a smile on your face… Read more »
He’s just belatedly trying to attach his name to an idea many people thought screamingly obvious in the first place.
Re your link to the Tesco ad.
Downvoted have gone from 13k to 14k in about three hours.
Their Social Media staff should be arriving at work just about now.
Now 15k down votes!
14.00 hrs 17k 👎 and rising, upticks risen by just 100 in four hours to 1.6k so that’s all their friends and relatives roped in by now.
Hands up who thinks Tesco will be bankrupt before February, because of so many people boycotting their stores due to their Christmas advert in which Santa shows he’s ‘fully vaccinated’?
Not a chance, unfortunately.
If only this were true – Black Rock are big players in Tesco, they are in it up to their necks.
I think it’s just poorly expressed. I took it to mean “focused protections” (agree the plural doesn’t work very well) are the best way to protect the vulnerable
They are not in the least bothered about “protecting the vulnerable” or indeed anyone else.
Quite the opposite.
Further to your observation about tower block inmates being under house arrest.
The only people who ever thought tower blocks were a good idea were social experimenters like that twat le Corbusier(sp?) who condemned mostly working class people to live their lives in those shit-holes just to test his theories.
Aided and abetted by corrupt local councillors who implemented them to line their own pockets, notably “Champion of The People” T. Dan Smith in Tyneside, late 1970s but he wasn’t the only one
Also used to Gerrymander, build the Tories out of London (with subsidised migration)
I used to live in Hornsey, N. London which they tacked onto Tottenham and Wood Green to Gerrymander a built in Labour majority while benefiting from Crouch End rates/Council Tax.
Mind you from what I see of Crouche Ende on t’internet they probably vote Labour as well now.
To create the People’s Republic of Harringay
Don’t forget the ghastly ‘sculptures’ in the grounds of those giant multi-storied hovels to augment the pleasure of living there, which inevitably attracted grafitti artists just to complete the ugliness.
Check out David Martin – he finally names the guilty!
It may be time to lockdown football, the rate of heart attacks amongst young people is scary, I’d say it’s more dangerous than Covid for this age group!
Noah says
“a month ago I asked if we should encourage people to get the virus so as to build up more immunity . . .”
Over a year ago I was making the same point here at lockdownsceptics when telling of students largely disregarding instructions not to socialise or mingle both in halls of Residences and in student houses of multiple occupation.
I argued that they should be left to get on with it and thus be post-covid safe to go home and share Xmas with Granma.
When the Autumn term ended and the student body were asked to take part in mass testing before leaving precisely 6 tested positive.
The age breakdown for positive test in England show clearly that the 20 to 24 age group has had far fewer positives than the younger and older groups, suggesting that they did acquire natural immunity earlier.
As was also proven in S.Korea before lockdown 1 in the UK.
There appears to be a plan afoot to scale down all covid measures next year: I can only assume they’ve got some other dastardly control plan in mind;
https://disq.us/url?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.dailymail.co.uk%2Fnews%2Farticle-10198985%2FOperation-Rampdown-Codename-revealed-Government-papers-dismantle-key-Covid-measures-year.html%3AuKZJxJMTCTxD3qGHODeaHFwZK7o&cuid=5316213
What about the 10 days of lockup in detention “hotels” for vaccine resisters resident in Scotland who return from holidays abroad?
Haven’t heard much about that, have we? Is it ongoing? Are there any hotels available that haven’t been filled to the rafters with illegal immigrants and Afghan refugees?
‘Operation Rampdown’, not exactly discrete.
End of March 2022 is when they would have to extend Covid legislation once again.
Up to something nefarious that’s for sure.
Yes, it’s possible this was just a dummy run to test how much we’d believe and obey. It seems that the more absurd a ruling is the more most people will fall for it.
The BBC interviewing Neil Ferguson.
I’d rather slide down a razor blade with my balls out.
I hope nobody takes you up on that one.
“have him”, and “his”, BBRS, “his”…..
Latvia has banned unvaccinated MPs from voting and even from taking part in debates, and it will also dock their salaries. There are nine of them, out of 100 MPs altogether. (Source.) The Latvian authorities have today begun a crackdown on the unvaccinated outside of parliament too, including by banning them from supermarkets. That’s even if they have a “medical reason” for being unvaccinated. For some reason Latvia isn’t been reported much, if at all, in the British MSM.
They are preferring to report on Austria, perhaps because more of their journalists know where the country is, and they know it’s in some foreign place called “Europe”. The publicly-remunerated turd Katya Adler at the BBC is saying it will be “interesting” to see how restrictions are enforced.
Sad given that Latvia so keenly adopted the new democracy following the collapse of the Soviet Union.
A report yesterday suggested that all who voted in favour of banning unvaxxed MPs came from the ruling ‘far right’ coalition. It would be interesting to know if the banned MPs all come from a particular part of the political spectrum or do they perhaps represent the substantial ethnic Russian minority?
Presumably Latvia has a Constitutional Court? Can’t see such a ban getting past that if properly run.
I’ve wondered whether they will try to pull that here. Health min. De Jonge, of the CDA, formerly the single biggest party in NL, over the past 10 years or so has been decimated and is now a shadow of its former glory, has lost a lot of voters over the years to Wilder’s PVV and presumably in the last year or 2 to FvD (Forum for Democracy), not that far removed from the PVV. Wilder’s has taken the approach of being against any mandates, but does not oppose any and all measures as such (some yes, like the night curfew). FvD is against all measures and is very outspoken against the vaxx itself. If De Jonge gets his way and allows a caretaker government to push through unconstitutional legislation that can bar people from attending their workplace unless vaxxed/recovered, he will be able to keep FvD MPs from entering parliament. Considering they are clear opponents to the current government, that smacks far more of doing away with political opposition than anything to do with public health concerns. I don’t know if he will try to keep political opponents out of parliament and I am even less convinced he would… Read more »
If they did that and banned MPs were physically prevented from entering Parliament it would be very reminiscent of the Reichstag c.1933
We used to see a lot of Wim Wilders here on UK media but not so now. I seem to remember our Home Secretary banning him from entering the UK.
Latvia, and the other Baltic states, enthusiastic complicity in the Holocaust was obviously not an aberration. Thank God people, from this disgusting country, no longer have the right to freedom of movement to the UK.
Wasn’t this what the Barrington declaration was trying to achieve? But instead got branded as “covidiots” and “science deniers”
I remember my BIL (aged late 70s) disagreeing with the GBD because he thought focused protection meant that at his age, he would be forced to stay indoors except for necessary outings and exercise. I pointed out that for the GBD creators, it was advice but not mandatory. I fear focused protection if it was instigated in the future might be aimed only at the non-jabbed, especially the older ones of which I know quite a few, and be mandatory.
So rather than him being shielded he wanted all children’s lives ruined as well? A very selfish attitude that.
‘Forced focused protection’, nice.
“It’s for your own good…..it hurts me more than it hurts you….don’t you want to be safe…..then do as you are bloody well told!
OR ELSE!”
Yes, I am extremely worried that the unvaccinated will be (and already are) fair game for hateful discrimination.
“Divide, create conflict chaos and conquer ” – all very obvioulsy part of the plan
Focussed Protection in the mind of an utter prat like this will be Vax passports and further restrictions on the unvaxxed (which the majority of double/treble vaxxed will lap up).
Ferguson sees which way the wind is blowing and wants to get ahead of the narrative.
Good news I think, but we need to ensure they abandon the vax passports. Swapping mass testing for digital health ID is not a win.
“As Martin Kulldorff and Jay Bhattacharya note, many scientists who should know better have downplayed or even denied the existence of natural immunity to Covid.)”
And this is very very very simple to explain. They’re all taking money from the pharmaceutical giants and their investors.
So Sweden was right all along then?
I think all on here know this.
This is like the abusive partner admitting they have made mistakes and telling their battered victim they have changed their ways now … but one thing is missing in their admission … an apology – a sincere heartfelt sorry for all the harm they have caused and damage they have inflicted.
Wrongdoers who display no sense of remorse should never be taken at their word … there is always usually an ulterior self-serving motive behind their attempts at reconciliation.
“Anyway, back to Neil Ferguson”
Why the f., Noah, are you giving more air-time to this numptey fraud as a means of hanging your hat?
All you do is rehearse various Narrative threads :
(1) There’s the true ‘vaccine hesitancy’ – the sort that pauses to think that the 1% ARR does something practically useful.
(2) ‘Focused protection’ is a novel idea. It isn’t – it’s what we all practise when there’s a virus about.
(3) That the virus is exceptionally dangerous to the older population. It isn’t – the somewhat raised mortality follows the natural curve.
(4) More burbling about ‘infections’ and ‘cases’ are given credibility, ffs.
(5) Above all – that this straw man has any insight, given his disatrous modelling record.
Give it a rest.
Neil Ferguson is not suggesting focused protection at all, or the benefits of natural herd immunity. He is simply saying that protection against COVID should be focused and that the less vulnerable population will likely, naturally, acquire immunity to COVID. Please don’t twist his words.
That is basically what the GBD said
I remember at, about the mid-point of this debacle, reading some analysis on costs vs benefits of lockdowns/restrictions on this site. We are now over 18 months in and some of the data, including things like NHS waiting lists is shocking. I wrote to my pro-lockdown Labour MP over a year ago now, warning that the cure is probably going to be worse than the disease, I included a number of pieces of data at the time – but they were largely predictive. Surely, as I notice the Telegraph is reporting, we have a mounting tsunami of real world evidence that this is the case? I wonder if readers or contributors have an up to date lists of harms vs benefit, so I can write to my MP once more? Any help would be great – and, I would encourage DS to work on getting this together so we can all do the same. At some point they are going to have to admit that lockdown was a policy choice, not a necessity and we have to start making the shit stick on them – and not their scapegoats. I can’t help thinking that a coordinated focus on this would… Read more »
In April 2020, about 5 or 6 weeks after this all kicked-off, by accident while channel hopping, I came across a late night talk fest (they’re usually quite serious, socially-engaged nonsense here, hence I avoid like the plague). A woman was talking, either a doctor or hospital administrator, about all the measures they had taken, how tough it had been. Everyone around the able was looking at her as she were Jesus giving the sermon on the mount. Then a chap there got his turn to speak. He was a professor of Public Administration and Risk Assessment. He said that yes, NL had done well to deal with such an unexpected and overwhelming event, but that no one had ever bothered to speak of cost/benefit and that it was time to start doing so. He had emails from oncologists and other doctors saying they were prevented from continuing their work and that this would lead to missed/late diagnoses which would result in deaths further down the line. He presented a variety of costs/negatives that could arise from focusing solely on corona and that there was great need to do a cost/benefit analysis going forward. The rest of the people at… Read more »
“Lessons have been learned” – isn’t that what is always said after some massive cock-up?
Are we sure that he meant, or understood, what he was saying?
He’s never knowingly right about anything.
Neil Ferguson does not get to walk this back. By the time all deaths are counted, from lockdowns to delayed hospital appointments, his formal advice to government has killed hundreds of thousands of people totally unnecessarily. He has committed crimes against humanity and must stand trial. Or this happens again and again. This cannot be a “no consequences” situation.
But there’s no-one brave enough to drag him out of his lair.
The chart appears to be the Our World in Data 7 day moving average of confirmed daily new cases with the UK omitted. I attach the same chart including the UK and also recent daily new cases without moving average. They give rather a different idea of the relative fortunes of the UK compared to the Netherlands and Germany.
Picture above was too small to read. Better image attached.
Cases of what? What are we to do with this information?*
*What governments do with it is us it to implement insane, evil, expensive fascism based on a Big Lie.
Ferguson knows how the Covidofants produce these numbers and what they actually correspond to: Healthy people repeatedly being caught in the mass-testing net, eg, pupils, people who have to undergo workplace testing etc and – obviously – Corona-mad volunteers who keep testing themselves, many presumably also repeatedly testing positive all the time.
Most COVID data is bogus given the ease with which the numbers can be adjusted by the authorities to support the desired narrative at any moment in time – this is particularly true of “cases” which can be made to rise by simple virtue of doing more tests or ramping up the number of PCR cycles used. The share of positive tests is a slightly better measure as it removes the influence of the number of tests done from the comparison* And if we look at that measure in the UK, Netherlands and Germany we can clearly see the UK’s positive cases are on a downward trend while the Netherlands and Germany are rising steeply. Perhaps the UK got more of its pandemic over with in 2020 and so has greater immunity now? All of those Guardian commenters in 2020 saying “look how much better our European friends are doing with COVID compared to the little Englanders” may look a little foolish if so (not for the first time). * Of course there are still plenty of confounding variables when comparing the positive test rates in different countries: PCR cycle numbers and also what populations are subject to testing –… Read more »
Downward trend is no longer the case for the UK, at least not for now: Mass testing, presumably again mostly of healthy pupils, has again stopped an attempt at stealing the experts their beloved pandemic (simulation) dead in its tracks!
When they captured Osama bin Laden, someone suggested he should be sentenced to having to go through airport security for the remainder of its life. Similarly, I hope all of SAGE and all these professors of public gobbledegook and international dideldidum who are behind this will end up being force-tested for COVID twice per day for the remainder of their lives.
I have always said, right from the beginning of this debacle, that covid parties was the way to go.
Just like the measles parties of old.
It’s not to late. As a bonus, its likely the virus has become less virulent (probably why its not killing so many, nothing to do with “vaccine” effectiveness) & more infectious (showing up the “vaccines” for what they are, useless). Evolving, as most viruses do, becoming less harmful, because killing your host is an evolutionary dead end.
Neil Ferguson will forever be known as the bloke who told everybody else to stay at home to protect their grannies whilst he had his mistress, the wife of another man, flit across London to his lair for a bit of rumpy pumpy. What a hypocrite.
I was going to quote Luke 15:7 (“There will be more rejoicing in heaven over one sinner who repents than over ninety-nine righteous persons who do not need to repent”) but, because Ferguson is a mendacious, philandering, self-regarding, serially inaccurate cuck, I think I’ll stick instead with John 11:35 (“Jesus wept”).
I think the only focused protection we’re likely to see is vaccine passports & locking up the healthiest in society, i’e. The unvaccinated.
YES the big pharma propaganda & liberal religion of scientism is taking us, to chemical apartheid, the likes of Austria, Australia, Germany are discriminating against the healthiest people in society & calling them unclean for not polluting their bodies with synthetic alien substances, and to think I used to ridicule conspiracy theorists who would rant about transhumanism & Malthusianism!
Time Ferguson and Gates/China financed Imperial College were exposed as among the principal engineers of the Global Covid Scam and the Mass Gene Therapy Injection ‘project’. He has obviously been primed once again to join in on the latest Lockdown hype .
It is now all so obviously all a pack of total lies.
This isn’t the first time, and it’s unlikely to be the last, that I’ve said, “fuck off, Ferguson”.
You have to hand it to Ferguson, he is consistent. He’s been consistently 100% wrong, about everything he decides to open his mouth and talk about.
Focused Protection ?
isn’t that where they protect the “vulnerable” by locking down the un-vaxxed ?
ferguson’s been trotted out to give the next predictive programming heads-up.
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