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Anti_socialist
4 years ago

China and India are right to keep coal”

What ever your position on AGW, its an indisputable fact, both coal & oil do produce air pollution & are a major cause of poor health & ecosystem damage. A planned & sensible switch to cleaner energy sources is inevitable eventually as they become harder & more expensive to extract. Neither wind nor solar are green. I was arguing the ecological harms of renewables 10 years ago in the guardian before it became unbearably woke. At present, there is no other option than nuclear to meet current & future energy needs as far as I can see.

“Where did Covid begin?”

Ask the CIA, Mi6 & whatever the French equivalent is, I expect Mossad could also enlighten us.

peyrole
peyrole
4 years ago
Reply to  Anti_socialist

That ‘indisputable fact’ is actually disputable. Well at least that they cause more ‘pollution’ than any other form of energy production. Most of the nasty stuff like NOX and SOX and particulates are scrubbed from all recent build coal plant, have been for 30 years or so. CO2 is not a pollutant. Its a ridiculous label to give this inert gas. It forms a smallish part of the gasses that provide reflection of energy particles/waves from the surface to space, some of which land back on the surface. Without which the earth would be an ice ball. Oil is used for just about every component of modern civilisation. From pharma to plastic. Not much used for electricity production, but a lot for motive power. Nuclear is used for base load electricity generation. It cannot usefully be used in any other way than 24/7 ‘must run’ operation, its not economic nor particularly safe to try to load follow, ie turn it up and down. It has its uses, but compared to say gas-fired generation it is both uneconomic and inefficient. The UK is a large ‘island’ electricity system. There was a good reason the mix of generation was at it was… Read more »

karenovirus
4 years ago
Reply to  peyrole

We figured out in school that France put most of its nuclear power facilities on her north coast meaning that in the event of an accident the prevailing S/W winds would send the radiation fallout Englands way.

One day we will work out how to get most of our energy from tidals which are always working, don’t pollute directly, don’t kill birds, are not a waste of good land and which surround the British Isles until the next ice age.
Sadly at the moment they lose most of the energy getting it ashore.

karenovirus
4 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

Back so soon?

Flagged as spam

RickH
4 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

The idea that tidal energy is without environmental cost is untrue. And – effectively, it will have an impact on birds. Your concept of ‘good land’ is simplistic.

JohnK
4 years ago
Reply to  peyrole

Almost an “island” system, although there are some cross links under the sea. I occasionally look at this site: https://grid.iamkate.com/ which gives a good overview. While there has recently been a major fault on one of the IFA connections, most of the incoming power from France is from the EDF nuclear plant.

These days, gas-fired generation is the most flexible form of generation, after hydroelectric (which is limited overall – although there are some rapid response places, with short term limits, like https://www.electricmountain.co.uk/Dinorwig-Power-Station That’s a storage place, intended to cover the peak demand a bit and maintain the other side of it. After all, it’s near neighbour was an old style nuclear plant at Trawsfynydd, which is derelict now.

186NO
186NO
4 years ago
Reply to  peyrole

Agree with you, especially about the “inconvenient fact” that life on earth is predicated on …CO2, as well as sunlight and water. Am I mistaken in thinking that gas/biomass fuelled back up is used more for base load cover than nuclear because the latter cannot be “fired up”as quickly? ( a genuine question not a crass trap – I recall reading this somewhere, possibly in the “Great Wind Farm Scam” by Dr John Etherington? )

Hence the lunatic adoption of Biomass as some kind of sustainable alternative which to me is utter bollox.

peyrole
peyrole
4 years ago
Reply to  186NO

In a true economic merit order you use SRMC ( short run marginal cost) and LRMC ( long run marginal cost) calculations. SRMC are mainly fuel and maintenance ; LRMC are capital. Nuclear has low SRMC and very high LRMC. So you build it and run it flat out until required maintenance. You do not attempt to stop/start it or ramp output up and down. Wind has low SRMC and high LRMC , it is also not worth diddly squat to the network operator as he can’t depend on its availability. It is ‘must run’ when the wind blows which buggers up all the economic signals for the whole grid system. Hence it not only needs vast subsidies to build, but also continuing subsidies to operate. No-one would build these things without subsidies and governmental mandates. Developers love them for exactly those same reasons. Gas and Coal have varying SRMCs depending on market rates for the fuel. These can and are hedged. Low LRMC , well developed economy of scale building costs. They can be operated throughout the merit order. Usually brand new efficient ones run baseload, and as they get older, less efficient they rise through the merit order,… Read more »

186NO
186NO
4 years ago
Reply to  peyrole

Thanks, that is very clear! You have created for me a vision of Drax – drove by last week btw – as a giant woodburner stove – I wonder what Lord Deben thinks about that…

Anti_socialist
4 years ago
Reply to  peyrole

Did I mention Co2? Where is the scrubbed waste going, does it disappear as if by magic? It’s naive to think, noxious waste is “scrubbed” from power plants, & somehow there’s no environmental pollution, clean energy is nonsense. How do you think coal gets from source to plant? Where do you think all that waste goes? All the resources used to provide stuff! Research the laws of physics. Of course, cars do not drive around pollution free! You’re right to highlight modern civilization’s dependence on oil. And the incredible amount of air pollution, cars, factories, manufacturers, chemical plants, water purification, waste treatment, supply chains, agriculture, fertilizers, clothing, pharmaceuticals, food etc etc etc ……………….. And all the pollution & environmental damage that does to ecosystems I’m willing to stand corrected on the viability of nuclear, but not being suitable, doesn’t make renewables any greener or justifiable! It just creates a bigger problem. I’m no advocate for nuclear energy. But renewables aren’t green! You can be a sceptic, but simply living in denial of indisputable evidence all around you because you don’t want to change your convenient self-indulgent lifestyle just makes you look stupid, there is only one planet that supports life,… Read more »

peyrole
peyrole
4 years ago
Reply to  Anti_socialist

Wow! I am a slanderous shill?
I will try to calmly answer. I support sensible environmental protection. I accept you did not mention CO2 , but talked about ‘pollution’ with respect to energy production and in today’s mad world CO2= pollution to the overwhelming majority who use that word.
I absolutely and completely stand behind what you describe as ‘don’t want to change your convenient self-indulgent lifestyle’ when the alternative is to be poorer, colder and die earlier.
If you could fully describe how exactly a ‘biodiverse and natural’ world allows me to be not severely disadvantaged as a consequence of not using oil and gas in particular I would be very pleased to consider it.
I am not holding my breath.

Anti_socialist
4 years ago
Reply to  peyrole

Glad you admit it.

karenovirus
4 years ago
Reply to  Anti_socialist

“Where did Covid begin?”

This is the moment (1m.20s ) when Senator Rand Paul accuses fauci of working with the team in Wuhan whose Gain Of Function experimentation could have produced a covid virus with 15-50% human mortality.

They might still be.

karenovirus
4 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

Oop this moment.1 minute 20s.

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RickH
4 years ago
Reply to  Anti_socialist

I’m one of those who thinks that COP26 is a staged panic event that has as much to do with the real issues as Mr Toad has acquaintance with the truth. The private jets, the virtue-signalling masks and diesel-driven electric cars etc. all bear witness to that.

I am not convinced of anthropogenic global warming as the environmental issue – by a long chalk.

But I am convinced that we do face major environmental issues that need to be addressed, related to human impact, and that the fingers-in-ears position of so many critics of the climate change deniers is as dim as that of Covid fanatics.

Anti_socialist
4 years ago
Reply to  RickH

I agree 100% AGW is a political power grab that actually distracts from the real ecological problems future generations face, it’s not going to affect you or me, we’re too old. Those that deny it just do so because they’re addicted to self-indulgent convenience.

I’ve been battling the deniers for decades, the simple fact is they do so despite the huge volume of good scientific evidence that we’re fucking up the planet for ourselves. Political idealogical dogma is irrelevant, if you consume & or destroy everything, there’s nothing left to consume!

kate
kate
4 years ago

https://www.nysenate.gov/legislation/bills/2021/a416
Seen this? Suspected contacts carriers cases can be rounded up and detained.

crisisgarden
4 years ago
Reply to  kate

This really is turning out to be as bad and as evil as we all feared, isn’t it.

Londo Mollari
4 years ago
Reply to  crisisgarden

But at least they have guns in New York state.

Mark
4 years ago
Reply to  Londo Mollari

Indeed. Good luck trying to “round up” dissenters on a mass scale in the US, especially in rural and southern states!

karenovirus
4 years ago
Reply to  kate

Back to where it all began with Typhoid Mary, New York State just before WW1; she was detained twice, the second time until her death 30+ years later.
It was her case that led to Public Health legislation relating to Communicable Diseases being formulated around the developed world.

Annie
4 years ago
Reply to  kate

Even with the world as evil as it is, this verges on the unbelievable.
Remember Minority Report? This is worse. At least, in the film, they thought they had real evidence, and they were persecuting people who might commit real crimes.

karenovirus
4 years ago
Reply to  Annie

Typhoid Mary’s irresponsibility caused several deaths.
This seems to be advocating locking up people who are just fantasy cases only.

crisisgarden
4 years ago

Government-approved Covid testing firm faces watchdog probe

This firm is trying to sell its used swabs for research! Is there any aspect of this ‘pandemic’ – any aspect of it at all – that isn’t just a criminal scam? This is why I never have and never will have a PCR test. Not to travel and not for any other reason. They can all go and fuck themselves.

TheTartanEagle
TheTartanEagle
4 years ago
Reply to  crisisgarden

Me neither.

On the topic of testing, I was shown a thread on mumsnet yesterday. They were discussing how to shove a probe up a 3 yr old’s nose. All normalised and encouraged. Various restraint techniques were discussed. This is the same bunch of harpies who get their knickers in a twist over their mother in law daring to give the kid a sweet or share a photo without express permission. Various contributors indicating they hold their 2 yr old’s arms back, or restrain them tightly in a seat. No mention of the risk of serious damage to the infant if they jerk their head or the parents arm. Ye gods, this is full on abuse for a test for a disease that doesn’t affect the child and for which the medics offer no treatment. They have all lost their minds. At that moment I seriously wanted to punch one of these morons.

kate
kate
4 years ago

https://twitter.com/dempz8/status/1459640733498060808?s=21
Have a little listen Twitter and share it around. Watch this happen if we don’t wake up. Catherine A. Fitts on the vax pass and centralised control of all assets and taxation

Annie
4 years ago

Making fun of Hitler…
In WW2, chamber pots with Hitler’s face on them were popular. We no longer use chsmber pots, but toilet paper with x’s face on (choose your own x) would be equally popular, I’m sure..
Dungford for me.

karenovirus
4 years ago
Reply to  Annie

Bozo for me but the Police will confiscate it as evidence of a hate crime.

Annie
4 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

Having first fished it out of the …

miketa1957
miketa1957
4 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

Starmer. At least Bojo and the Tories are relatively Incompetent.

ellie-em
4 years ago
Reply to  Annie

Pages from Wancock’s book could be similarly utilised – although somewhat scratchy on the derrière region, repurposing it for use in the lavatories may be useful…or it could be printed on Andrex…

Annie
4 years ago
Reply to  ellie-em

Puppy Press.

HelenaHancart
HelenaHancart
4 years ago

Ugh. If you bother to read the nauseating little piece by the Express about the Tesco advert, don’t bother reading the jabby-fanatical comments…all of which strangely have a similar ring to them! A bit like bots or our mates at 77th, or they are just narrative-swallowing normies. The viciousness is pretty fierce but we’re the dangerous ones apparently. They said they WILL be shopping in Tesco…so even more reason to boycott them, I suppose.

karenovirus
4 years ago
Reply to  HelenaHancart

I’m surprised the Express is allowing itself to be used a vehicle to let readers know that such a think as Anti Vax sentiment exists up to and including a hotlink to this very site.

All the first few comments are pro sceptic before I got bored wading through the ads.

Annie
4 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

They aren’t all. The zombies are looking forward to shopping safely at Tesco’s without us dangerous anti-vaxxers. They’ve been killed by us so many times before, you see.

karenovirus
4 years ago
Reply to  Annie

I should have specified “all the first few comments quoted in the article are pro-sceptic”. In fact all of them are.

The only one not to criticize the Tesco ad is from our own Toby Young at the very end of the article.

Granted there is a mix of pro and anti in the readers comments section which I’ve never been to before on the Express site.

Encierro
4 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

Use an ad-blocker then.

karenovirus
4 years ago
Reply to  HelenaHancart

Tesco’s Social Media team might be in for a bit of a shock this morning.
(The ‘subliminal message’ note is mine because I didn’t notice the “Headline” first time around).

Take a look at the 👍 ratings 👎 🥳

Why not add to their embarrassment?
‘Every Little Helps’

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nottingham69
nottingham69
4 years ago
Reply to  HelenaHancart

The Express is owned by the Mirror, as now most of the local media is. All comments in the Mirror owned outlets are heavily censored. So much so only their view is allowed.

Norman
4 years ago
Reply to  HelenaHancart

It amazes me (it doesn’t really, but you know what I mean) that the Express and its ilk pick on a couple of seconds from a minute and a half of sheer, unadulterated celebration of togetherness.
My take on the Santa bit was that he was savvy enough to get hold of a fake pass, showing how easy it is to contravene the rules by using a screen shot.

karenovirus
4 years ago

“Enough is Enough” Russell Brand on YouTube yesterday saying “This is getting scary”. Russel isn’t everyone’s cup of tea but he has made quite a journey in recent years.

He tells of US facial recognition software company Clearview AI ‘scraping’ mugshots of up to 3 billion (three billion) people from protesting crowds, sports stadia, shopping malls, Facebook and other social media.
Seems 2,000 Police agencies from around the world but especially the Anglosphere have been trialling its use (specifically Victoria and NSW).
Australias Information and Privacy Commissioner has ordered them to cease and desist but Clearview AI are appealing.

The same Commissioner has also ordered 7-11 to stop adding to the 3.5 million faces it has ‘scraped’ from customers entering its 700 convenience stores throughout Australia.

Facial recognition isn’t new of course but who knew it was on such scale? In the UK Police are supposed to dispose of personal data they harvest during investigations (except for convicted people), why not when they can just rent it from Clearview AI or the grocery store?

Given the sources used to ‘scrape’ their images their 3B database will consist of most of the Western population.

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Horse
Horse
4 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

Seems 2,000 Police agencies from around the world but especially the Anglosphere have been trialling its use (specifically Victoria and NSW).

Australia is rapidly becoming a place well worth avoiding. A sad end to what had previously been arguable the world’s best place to live, but with such invasive infestation of CCP at all levels of state and federal government, it’s hardly surprising.

peyrole
peyrole
4 years ago
Reply to  Horse

Its not referred to as the SCT ( South China Territories) in financial circles for nothing. It would be broke if it didn’t sell its ‘dirt’ to China.

karenovirus
4 years ago

Roundup Telegraph
“Elderly blocked from getting boosters because of NHS blunders”.
Clearly those elderly have not tried to download their vax app or they would have known.

In the summer I posted about NHS Vaccine Central writing to urge me to get my two jabs because I’m vulnerable.

Using the website ‘contact us’ message facility I told them when and where I had already had my first jab and that if they didn’t know then I had little confidence in them being able to supply me with a vax passport should it become necessary (to go to hospital for example which seemed likely at the time).

They emailed blaming my GP Surgery for poor record keeping as that is the source of their information (patients privacy? Another issue).

I telephoned my Surgery who immediately sent me a pdf giving complete and up to date vaccination history with them.

I forwarded this to NHS Vaccine Central but they lost it.

JohnK
4 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

And no doubt there are lots of online crooks queuing up to send you fake mail. I wonder where they got the details from.

karenovirus
4 years ago
Reply to  JohnK

I’d thought of that but they did have my NHS and local hospital numbers correctly.

Horse
Horse
4 years ago

Children as young as five to begin getting Covid jabs by January

Infants could also start getting jabs just weeks later with trials underway for vaccines to be used in children aged six months to five and 800,000 doses ordered for them. 

The results are due early next year and infants aged zero to four are only likely to have one shot if vaccinations are approved.

The insane, fascist biosecurity police state and former liberal democracy Australia, dares to inject Moderna into six year-old children while free countries like Sweden, Norway, Denmark and France ban it for anyone under 30. They are even talking about rewiring the immune systems of infants and forever denying them the chance of developing natural immunity to covid-19. This is a disgusting crime against humanity worthy of reporting to the Hague International Criminal Court. Scum.

Annie
4 years ago
Reply to  Horse

France a free country? Hollow laughter.
Agree with your main point, of course.

Horse
Horse
4 years ago
Reply to  Annie

You’re quite right, France has been terrible. But the spirit of resistance there has been the strongest I’ve seen anywhere. And even the French saw the damage the high-dose Moderna was doing to young people, so they have some conscience.

Annie
4 years ago
Reply to  Horse

More power to the Resistance!

Susan
4 years ago
Reply to  Horse

Is it a matter of conscience, or just a calculated move to eliminate any potential hurdles along their determined path to vaccinate/tag/control every living person?

karenovirus
4 years ago
Reply to  Horse

Norway a free country ?
It might well be but it remains the dark heart of its evil Empire.
Don’t tell the woke or they will cancel Norway too
Free the downtrodden Bouvet Islanders Now !

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karenovirus
4 years ago

Roundup “CDC: ‘no record of naturally immune transmitting Covid”

Might that be because, unlike some vaxxed, they don’t catch it because they are
‘naturally immune’? 🤪

BurlingtonBertie
4 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

Stop your heresy! 😉

Sandra Barwick
Sandra Barwick
4 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

We do catch it. Nothing stops a virus going up your nose. NI then fight it off pretty immediately, in my case I think abt 24 hours, but younger probably wouldn’t notice it. There are exceptions – a woman I think in Belgium died in 2020 having had it twice, in her 80s and dying from a cancer which was destroying her immune system.

karenovirus
4 years ago

Roundup Sunday Times
“Prem (hotel) Group faces £13.5m losses after being forced to close during Covid Pandemic lockdown overeaction”

Susan
4 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

” lockdown overreaction “ = Economic Destruction Plan Phase I.

karenovirus
4 years ago

Roundup RT ‘Trans activists fuming at BBC’

While not interested in either the BBC or Trans Rights Activists, this caught my eye.

“There should be no impartiality about trans rights . . .”

Labour MP

Horse
Horse
4 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

Labour though.

karenovirus
4 years ago
Reply to  Horse

Your rapid response caught me checking the spelling

Labour MP Nadia Whittome

So I couldn’t edit, darn.

Horse
Horse
4 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

The internet tells me Whittome was born in 1996, meaning her entire existence has been steeped in the post-Blair horror. She knows nothing of what came before the revolution.

Annie
4 years ago
Reply to  Horse

Also means that she can be no older than 25. Steeped in the wisdom acquired from experience. Was she selected from an all-female shortlist, for a constituency that would elect a heap of manure if it was labelled Labour?

RickH
4 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

I sometimes feel that those rightly attacking the nonsense surrounding virtue-signalling ‘trans-rights’ play straight into the hands of the perpetrators by helping to blow up the problems of this issue actually affecting a small minority.

The underlying assumptions of what is called ‘rights’ is essentially quite simple – namely, the ‘right’ of a minority to dictate to a majority over fundamental issues of social behaviour – which is a ridiculous position.

Better, perhaps, to look at the real issues and be positive about support for real non-discrimination, examining the issues, rather than feeding oxygen to the nutters.

Same with a lot of issues in the so-called ‘woke’ basket. Stick to the real knitting – like the absurdity of individuals’ ‘right’ to never be ‘offended’ (as solipsistically defined), or the nonsense of righting (as opposed to recognizing) historical wrongs – a project that needs a Tardis.

Mark
4 years ago
Reply to  RickH

I sometimes feel that those rightly attacking the nonsense surrounding virtue-signalling ‘trans-rights’ play straight into the hands of the perpetrators by helping to blow up the problems of this issue actually affecting a small minority.”

No, that way lies letting these identity lobby zealots and self-servers act with impunity. They start the culture wars, not the people who correctly fight back using the only methods available that might actually work. The blame rests with the perpetrators, not with the victims trying to resist.

They are perfectly capable of using social media to whip up their activists and fellow travellers into a cancel culture frenzy without any resistance whatsoever, as we have seen repeatedly.

karenovirus
4 years ago
Reply to  RickH

I have nothing against Trans people, I object to self obsessed, probably faux trans persons pretending to get upset solely in order to attract attention.

Horse
Horse
4 years ago

Elderly being blocked from Covid vaccine booster jabs because of NHS blunders” – People wanting top-up jab are being turned away because medical staff wrongly recorded date of their second dose, reports the Telegraph.

All top-notch stuff from the envy of the world, as usual.

Annie
4 years ago
Reply to  Horse

What else did they wrongly record, I wonder? And who were the details leaked, or sold, to?

karenovirus
4 years ago
Reply to  Annie

I told of my own poor dealing with these people above Annie.

Annie
4 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

And I believe you!

ellie-em
4 years ago

‘ “A BBC meeting on LGBT rights reportedly left many activists in emotional distress, after leadership told them that in the profession of journalism, they will hear opinions they ‘don’t personally like’,” reports RT.’

hmm, life can be a bitch, at times…

Annie
4 years ago
Reply to  ellie-em

Presumably these muppets have never before in their lives had to engage with an opinion they didn’t like.
Modern university education in a nutshell.

DS99
4 years ago
Reply to  Annie

Also though, never ever been able to voice an opinion that their teachers/lecturers didn’t like.

karenovirus
4 years ago
Reply to  ellie-em

Eating themselves as usual;
Rod Liddel item in Roundup ‘making fun of Hitler’.has a woke person apologising for saying that a perceived miscreant should be

‘Blacklisted’.

Give it another 6 months and she’d be shot.

Horse
Horse
4 years ago

Vaccines make free” – “Remember when I got in trouble for saying that? Remember when all the bright boys on Twitter told me I was trivializing the Holocaust? Can you hear me now?” writes Alex Berenson, who points to Austria’s unvaccinated lockdown in his latest Substack update.

I think Berenson should have used the original German. It has much more historical cachet to it – Impfungen Macht Frei. Well, they certainly make free in Austria, the land of Hitler, Mauthausen and medical apartheid.

JayBee
4 years ago
Reply to  Horse

It’s either “Impfungen machen frei.” or “Impfung macht frei.”
The Bavarian governor Söder stated months ago ‘Impfen ist der Weg zur Freiheit.’
The story is this: Only ‘Impfung macht frei.’ is the direct analogy to ‘Arbeit macht frei.’ the infamous sign and slogan over KZs entry gates.
You can actually be prosecuted in Germany if you stated this exact term, and many in the official Jewish communities will also go berserk then.
But all other variations are more or less unpleasant or acceptable, depending on who says them and why, which is in itself quite ridiculous, of course.

JayBee
4 years ago
Reply to  JayBee

To further clarify, a DTI boss advocating gene therapy mandates and sanctioning of the unvaxxed has just said ‘Impfen macht frei’.
This sh/could be prosecuted as Volksverhetzung.
It likely would be, if a critic had said it, and surely won’t be in his case.
If a critic said ‘Impfung macht frei’ it would certainly be prosecuted.
A DTI boss/advocate saying it would likely just have to apologize.
Brave new world…

Encierro
4 years ago

France has or is going to introduce new restrictions on the non vaxxed travelling from the likes of Czech Republic, Germany, Netherlands and Belguim.
Schengen legislation fails again.

nottingham69
nottingham69
4 years ago

Tesco have joined Sainsbury’s and Morrison’s on my banned list. I won’t be buying so much as a Satsuma from them from now on.

iane
iane
4 years ago
Reply to  nottingham69

Pointless over-reaction.

Mark
4 years ago

Like you I’ve watched these protests for many months now, and like you I’ve watched how they’ve been reported by many in the media: “cranks”, “rentacrowd activists”, “antivaxxers” – you’ve heard it too, I’m sure. But as I walked into Spring St on Saturday, that wasn’t what I saw.

Some in the media put the crowd at 10-15,000. Now clearly, they can’t count.”

Sky News Australia still putting out some remarkable honesty, compared to the bulk of the mainstream media, as they have throughout.

Victorians refused to allow an Andrews ‘dictatorship’ to ‘trump democracy’

karenovirus
4 years ago
Reply to  Mark

Alex Belfield had another news report on that same demo, the street reporter sounded positively excited as he described the scene, though not a well informed about the wider ramifications as this lady.

Richard789
Richard789
4 years ago

I have just been looking at the latest Austrian regulations (link below). They are a romantic people. One of the essential purposes for which you will be able to go out if you are neither vaccinated in the past 360 days or infected in the past 180 days, so that you are not 2G (geimpft, genesen), is to visit your lover (para. 2(1)(3)( a )( aa )). 

https://www.ris.bka.gv.at/Dokumente/BgblAuth/BGBLA_2021_II_465/BGBLA_2021_II_465.html

karenovirus
4 years ago
Reply to  Richard789

One report says that police will be able to check anyones status and demand to know for what important reason an unvaxxed is out and about.

The list of ‘important reasons’ includes ‘going for a walk’.