Leaked Whitehall Document Reveals That the Government Intends to Dramatically Scale Back Its Covid Response Early Next Year
A leaked Whitehall document has revealed that, early next year, the Government will reduce its direct involvement in fighting the virus, scaling back some of the measures it has introduced as it now considers the disease to be endemic. These include removing the legal requirement for those who test positive to self-isolate for 10 days, shutting down the ‘Test and Trace’ system, as well as various other changes. The Mail on Sunday has the story.
In the documents, experts say Covid will remain at “endemic” levels for years and that mutant strains of the virus will also “remain a very real risk”. But, crucially, the Government’s central planning assumption, described as the “leaving soon'” scenario, predicts there will be “no winter resurgence” of the virus.
The revelations come as the number of new Covid cases plunged by more than a quarter in just over three weeks, from 52,009 a day to 38,351, and more than 12 million people have had their booster vaccines.
The leaked ‘Rampdown’ plans will be hailed by business owners and families exhausted by Britain’s two-year battle against the virus.
Professor Robert Dingwall of Nottingham Trent University, one of the U.K.’s leading sociologists and a former Government adviser, said: “I very much welcome the fact that people are planning for the end of the emergency and the restoration of everyday life. Treating Covid like any other respiratory infection should encourage people to dial down the fear and anxiety that have bedevilled the country for the past couple of years.”
But one Whitehall source has told the Mail on Sunday that some systems for monitoring the spread of the disease have already been shut down, sparking alarm among top Government scientists.
Another source also said large numbers of health experts who have led the fight against the virus for 18 months are “just walking away” from the Government, resulting in a huge “loss of knowledge”.
“It’s totally over, in the minds of Ministers,” the source said. “But what happens if a new variant arrives and they have just shut down the whole national infrastructure? Are we retaining enough knowledge from the £37 billion investment over the past two years? I really don’t think we are.”
The ‘Rampdown’ strategy is being hammered out as part of a six-week review of the Government’s ‘test, trace and isolate regime’ by officials at the U.K. Health Security Agency, a new body headed by former Deputy Chief Medical Officer Dr. Jenny Harries.
The documents reveal that the officials are examining “what activities can we start ramping down before April?” and what the “end state” of Britain’s response to Covid should be after April.
Their conclusions are due to be finalised by Dr. Harries and other key officials this weekend before being submitted to Health Secretary Sajid Javid. It is likely the Government will unveil the plan by the end of the year, unless there is a resurgence of cases caused by an unmanageable new strain of the virus.
Crucially, the documents reveal that Ministers are set to abandon attempts to stop Covid spreading “at all costs”.
Instead, health officials will judge future policies against the same kind of cost-benefit analysis used to decide whether the NHS can afford expensive new drugs.
“We will no longer be prioritising the previous objectives of breaking chains of transmission at all costs,” one document stated.
Worth reading in full.
Stop Press: The Tesco Christmas ad strikes quite a defiant note, albeit with some concessions to vaccine passports. A sign that the public’s appetite for being imprisoned in their homes is ending?
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So what was that all about then, the past 20 months? Hmmm….
My first thought also, 18 months to be fair.
They must have dug out the note George Osborne found when taking office with Cameron
“There’s no more money “
Perhaps EdwardHardin could lend Rishi Sunak some money
Just ask Mogg Jacob Rees-Mogg may have broken rules by ‘not declaring £6million in cheap loans from his Cayman Islands-linked company’ cheap as in interest free & never have to pay back.
Flagged EdwardHardin as spam so he’s no longer in a position to lend money to anyone 🥵
How did you know he was aiming to lend money? I thought he was giving people the chance to earn 90-100 Dollars per hour, which seems awfully nice of him. But I didn’t click on his link.
Probably a Nigerian scammer working from the District of Uttlesford.
Flagged as spam
Surely to be instantly replaced with the next stage of the racket
The social credit score apps. As per Scotchland and Walesshire, as per the Tesco advert. This is where they get “nudged” on us from every quarter.
Gaslighting.
All well and good if it happens, but the political tragedy is that they will have gotten away with it, the precedents they have set will never be properly discredited and overturned, and the likely beneficiaries of the huge costs to come will be the dangerous, and even worse on covid panic, Labour Party.
Just to nutshell the concerns of the “experts”:
“The last 2 years have been a goldmine!! Filling our pockets and providing absolutely nothing of any use in return and the more we failed, the more of our expertise was required and the more we earned, lovely jubbly. And now they want to end that??”
The end of the money-for-nothing ride is the only thing these experts fear – and perhaps being called up on their below-par science once people regain their senses and start inquiring into how all this was handled.
This clip of RFK Jr tells it straight.
Over $3 trillion shifted from the poorest to the richest during the scamdemic, and 500 new billionaires made. And it’s these same people who lobby for social media to ban all ‘vaccine disinformation’ that threatens
public healththeir money train.And you point out this obvious fact to people and they still don’t believe it. They think it was just coincidence and that these people were in the right place at the right time. Pointing out that with that type of money and control of media, both mainstream and anti-social media they can get away with anything is just a conspiracy.
Just as the fact that the vaxxes clearly don’t work. All countries with high vaxx rates have higher infection rates and higher death rates than before, easily verified – and they still don’t believe it. Blaming it on the unvaxxed is easy, but when you point out that the infections and deaths were lower when everyone was unvaxxed, it still does not sink in. Maybe ignorance really is bliss.
If folks can’t bring themselves to accept the pandemic has been a fraud from the start, they must at least concede there was a global plan in place ready to take advantage of one, so a minority could consolidate wealth and power.
“We are grateful to the Washington Post, The New York Times, Time
Magazine and other great publications whose directors have attended
our meetings and respected their promises of discretion for almost
forty years.”
“It would have been impossible for us to develop our plan for the world
if we had been subjected to the lights of publicity during those years.
But, the world is now more sophisticated and prepared to march towards a
world government. The supranational sovereignty of an intellectual elite
and world bankers is surely preferable to the national
auto-determination practiced in past centuries.”
– David Rockefeller, June 1991 Baden, Germany
“At the time of writing, June 2020, the pandemic continues to worsen globally, many of us are pondering when things will return to normal – the short response is never. Nothing will ever return to the broken sense of normalcy that prevailed prior to the crisis because the coronavirus pandemic marks a fundamental inflection point in our global trajectory.”
-Klaus Schwab, Covid-19: The Great Reset.
Where does Klaus live, and why have people not dragged him from his lair?
Just take a look at Burundi on worldometer still 38 deaths and the least jabbed in the world
It’s more fun looking at highly-jabbed Singapore 🙂 And reading the article in today’s MoS, telling Australians to get ready for a big old corona hit come March/April, just like Singapore, which is dealing with more infections and deaths than ever – which is a good thing, because it’s controlled. Okay – very few deaths, infections pre-vaxx bad, lots of deaths, infections post-vaxx good.
If I were a journalist I swear my hands would refuse to type such crud.
ignorance really is…ignorance.
Rishi Sunak cuts £20/week off the poorest 5.5 million families in the UK.
“Rishi Sunak’s super-rich wife uses taxpayer cash to furlough staff at gym business”
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/rishi-sunaks-wife-uses-taxpayer-23445646
“below-par science”! What science?
Whitehall appears to be even ‘leakier’ than the alleged ‘vaccines’.
You don’t think these utterances are genuine ‘leaks’? They are usually planted stories. Planted for a purpose.
To lull people into a false sense of security, and firmly embed the idea that vaccine passports and mandates are just part of normal life.
Surely if it was truly endemic [really wish it was] then you would have zero need for vaccines or vaccine passports – when have we ever needed vaccine passports for an endemic disease in the past? just because we have the technology now that we didn’t formerly have back in the day which can facilitate them doesn’t mean that we should retain that vaxx passport threat.
And does that mean I can go out into my back garden and light a celebratory pyre of facemasks and dance around it??
But I do believe that if this leak/planted story IS true then all that the last 20 months have been for is to pump-prime populations around the world for the re-implementation of all of this, from the fear to all the restrictions and discrimination for when the next bout of bubonic plague is released. My money is on ebola.
Lord Bill of the Gates of Hell has stated that his next “pandemic” release will be smallpox.
I am sure I read recently that there are research teams working on jabs for new strains of ebola – which is the more deadly ebola or smallpox? You’d think they would go for the more deadly if they are aiming for a depop agenda.
I suspect that the timing of this one coinciding with the tories drop in ratings is no accident. They have three by-elections in the offing, four if we can get rid of Cox. Once those are over they’ll be back to shutting us down again.
“Appears to be”. Thanks Rick, yes I know it’s bullsh*t.
“the Government will reduce its direct involvement in fighting the virus, scaling back SOME of the measures it has introduced”
In that ‘some’ lies the sting. A cynic might think that the groundwork for vaccine passports and subscription vaccines has now been laid.
Couldnt agree more. Vaccine passports, first step towards digital ids, digital currency, social credit scores, and serfdom. You’ll own nothing, and I can guarantee you won’t be happy.
I should add, it never was about health.
I’m not too sure about that.
Alright, for those that can’t get beyond the literal, here goes. It is about health, but only in so far as they want to destroy it.
I got what you were implying. I should have said it was never about protecting health.
I keep repeating that message and then we get the graphs and charts and people fretting about NPI’s when, as you say, this was never about health.
Although in reality the last 20 months was about health – ruining the nation’s health; killing and poisoning people.
Unfortunately, it will continue to be about ruining the nation’s (and world’s) health, for the plebs anyway. It’s not just the “vaccines” and lack of access to adequate healthcare, but I fear we will see many more people starve and freeze to death due to extreme poverty. Expect a rough ride ahead, but keep holding the line.
Absolutely, this is the price we will have to pay.
Maybe just Toby wanting to shut down shop.
I dunno. But I do know that the two stolen years are two years stolen, and the immense damage can’t be undone. I’m not interested in excuses or amelioration for the consistently devious, egotistical liar who was at the head of a government of lies and self-interest.
Only 20 months so far. Two years is 24 months. The scam started March 2020.
Really, weren’t people dropping down in the street in China from a new virus in Nov 2019?
I was thinking more of when this began to affect us in Europe. Our last holiday to the UK was Feb 2020. In mid-March I was told to put my bus to bed and almost all all buses in Finland (apart from the cities) were off the roads and in hibernation until August – and many are still mothballed. 5 regional airports closed in Finland in March 2020 and still remain so.
Mr Fox, apropos of nothing in particular, but wondered how Finland has been affected overall. My personal experience of your country is limited to one vist to Fortrum in Helsinki over 20 years ago and ‘culturally’ watching a few TV series like Raid ( old and weird) , Deadwind and Bordertown. Seriously odd language.
There were videos of people lying supposedly dead on the ground with cameramen conveniently placed before ambulance crews got there. People collpsing all over the place, again with people primed to capture their collapse. That kind of thing?
I don’t trust the CCP, but I trust the western CIA-orchestrated regime-change media reports even less. And it sure ain’t the CCP trying to jab our kids with experimental drugs.
Yes, that kind of thing. People who, as they fell, allegedly dead, braced their hands to protect themselves.
Are we retaining enough knowledge from the £37 billion investment over the past two years? I really don’t think we are.”
The only knowledge we need retaining from this is the same that anyone who threw a bucket of cash out of the window will retain: shouldn’t have done it.
Au contraire, £37 billion well spent, lining the pockets of the already rich, and showing just how easy it is to control and manipulate the masses and start rolling out the great reset (remember useful idiot Ferguson saying they didn’t think they could get away with it, but then realised they could?) it’s been a resounding success for them, just not for us plebs.
How come it always stays at £37 billion, what about the running costs?
Absolutely or why would they continue to force no jab no job policy and passports. More gaslighting from the serial liars that they are. We can never trust these bastards again; keep your ears and eyes open at all cost.
Did you ever find Saddam Hussein’s WMDs? The ones that could be launched against us with 45 minutes notice? That resulted in a war of aggression against Iraq leading to excess deaths of around 500,000? (rhetorical q’s by the way)
The government of whatever face of the War Party happens to be in power has been blatantly and openly corrupt since 911 with its War of Terror.
I always thought it was rather convenient that the IRA was removed from the list of terrorist entities just before this. They actually struck at power (Royalty, central London finance) whereas today’s rent-a-terrorist takes pains not to. It would be rather tricky to go all in against dark-coloured foreign ‘terrorists’ in the ME if there were a load of light-coloured ones operating just offshore of mainland UK.
I heard once that it was actually over 200 billion that was authorised by the BoE. 200 billion. Astonishing. So large a number as to be meaningless. 40+ Billion for every year that the world has existed. Incredible. No wonder money is meaningless to these clowns.
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I’ll believe it when it happens.
This leak is more likely part of their psychological warfare designed to fool people into thinking this nightmare is over when in reality the monsters in power won’t be done until they have their vaccine passports in place and their foot firmly on our throat.
Agree totally with your analysis.
So nhs staff just need to hold the line, no pandemic – no EUA for the closhots.
So much of what this Government does is based on bluff and deception.
The day before the Nov 11th deadline for care workers to be jabbed they announced quietly stated that care workers could self certify that they could not be jabbed for medical reasons.
If the UK Government thought that they could force NHS staff to be vaccinated without implementing new Primary legislation I am sure they would have done so long ago.
Oh, that’s so interesting! Thanks for that nugget of information.
I took that as a climbdown by bozo, far too many relatives and friends of 60,000 sacked carers in that particular loop.
PS Mr Tea – lol!
I would urge everyone to be very suspicious of any move like this, and keep in touch with what’s going on outside the UK’s borders where things if anything are being ramped up. I’d like to be optimistic, but something doesn’t smell right.
After the lies of the last 20 months, anything these people say needs to be viewed with a great deal of scepticism..
So true. Right across Europe this is happening. Biden will take it to the Supremes, and no-one really knows how they will jump.
My guess for what its worth is that Johnson realises that he can’t fight two wars with his voters at the same time. He is going to have his hands full with net zero, so he is peddling back on the language re covid. But as others have said the passports etc are ready to be implemented and will be when its opportune.
I have a very bad feeling (the same one i’ve had the entire time about this entire event) that the US courts are completely corrupt, at least in the places that matter to the globalists. I really have a hard time believing they would go as far as they have unless they had every single possible contingency planned out, and people placed in the crucial seats. Think of it: at this point, they have coerced and deceived parents into willingly sacrificing their own children; 5-11 here in the US. I really fail to see a more egregious and unholy act than that. Add to that the catastrophic damage already done to a significant portion of the population via bioweapon injection, and the untold damage to come. On the private business end, thousands of companies have already mandated the vaccines and employees have been coerced into taking them. There’s no way the government is going to accept the repercussions of rescinding the mandate, and big companies won’t face responsibility for making their employees get them. Plus all the economic damage, etc etc the list is just endless. Scientists have seen all the terrible and demonic things inside the vaccines; surely the… Read more »
I fear there’s a big event right around the corner.
So do I.
I was reading a few comments on the Telegraph site the other day, the various ‘I always vote Tory’ types were grumbling that Boris was a complete failure.
I made the point that that Boris was infact the most successful Tory PM we have even seen.
Boris has stolen more money from the UK taxpayer and lined the pockets of his chums far more efficiently than we have ever seen before, he made Blair look like a petty thief in comparison.
When you understand that the point of gaining political power in the UK is to steal as much wealth from the taxpayer as quickly as possible so much more of their decision making makes sense.
It is clear that nowadays MPs are selected not elected.They are selected by owners of all major parties so that irresepective of whichever Party wins, the owners of the government are sure their views will be rammed through irrespective of the electorate.
My own MP supplements his mere £80,000 base income with ~£40,000 from two medical lobbyist outfits. In my view, MPs should be treated like Formul One racing car drivers and be required to wear the logos of their sponsors whenever they are appearing in an official capacity, including MP surgeries, news program interviews etc.
“albeit with some concessions to vaccine passports“
LOL! As though any concession to the thoroughly evil, discriminatory, dangerous and fundamentally based on unreason “vaccine passports” were not completely discrediting.
In the meantime discrimination against those who refuse to be jabbed increases.
This smells like the elimination of the traffic light system which was touted as the end of travel restrictions. But what it really was was the beginning of discrimination between jabbed and unjabbed for travel purposes.
The clue is in this:
The end state could very well a permanent health certification system.
This is the aim, but the way they are flailing around at the moment I think they are very worried they’re not going to get there. Strategies like Hancock’s article in the DT smell of desperation.
Fingers crossed
This is the aim, but the way they are flailing around at the moment I think they are very worried
Agree completely. I think their masters are threateningly drumming their fingers and tapping their feet- they will have set their underlings a timeline and will expect it to be delivered. Or else.
Yes. My (cynical) thoughts exactly.
That’s exactly what it is. In Germany they are currently busy lifting the “pandemic emergency state”, much to surprise and shock of some covidian sheeple. But translated it means they are introducing new laws that will permanently allow reintroducing the same repressions (and more to come) without much fuss and without even requiring the justification of a temporary emergency. Very similar to how the current law was introduced to eliminate the possibility of attacking the formerly lawless interventions in courts (and it worked almost perfectly in that respect).
So The DS asks us to Question Everything. This is my first comment here. For a start, let’s agree that our governments have spent lots of efforts in some issues in the last decades; 1.- taking all the chinese from the fields to the cities, as done in our Industrial Revolution, but this time preprogrammed, as.. 2.- most of our factories have been taken to China (oh, did they not foresee what would happen?) 3.- while they keep us busy with the bullshit on Climate Change and the left-right divisions. Why then have they been keeping us busy with all the covid bullshit oh why? We’d first have to ask where is it they are spending the money and the effort, now. Mainly in the first 3 points. But on covid, the money has been spent by citizens, suffering restraints and losing savings and closing restaurants, jobs, and the like. Governments have only raised state debts (so people’s). What are the doing these days? a.- creating an absurd crisis in Belarus-Poland on behalf of an unbelievable refugees crisis -a couple of pictures will do- so as to threaten with a gas-pipeline-closure so that power prices grow, thus all the rest… Read more »
Spain is indeed less restrictive than most now, but wasn’t that because of your supreme Court ruling over the illegality of lockdowns?
I do agree that ‘its not about what they say its about’. Its about creating the environment for further vast financialisation of ‘everything’, using covid and net zero as the means to the end. We , the 90%, will be poorer, colder and die earlier.
I found it funny how the German government press outlet reported that tax income is stable and even rising. They are currently sucking out from companies some of the money they have printed themselves for various “help programs” and calling that “stable tax income”. No matter that the money is able to buy increasingly fewer services and products (quickly disappearing from the market thanks to the subsidies and restrictions combined), it’s most important that the state budget is “balanced”.
German paranoa about inflation. Given other parallels with the 30s perhaps no bad thing. But its mainly a consequence of not having your own currency or at least you have to share it with those pesky debt laden French and Italians.
It is not paranoia, it is the simple observation that if you reduce the number of available goods/services while at the same time increasing the amount of circulating money, the prices must rise. The only possibility of this NOT happening would if demand dropped and people simply hoarded money. But of course they don’t (not even the Germans), if they are flooded with money, they allocate it into investment goods… and if the prices of those are inflated, the wage inflation soon follows, and with that inflation for all the other products. In the end, only the “reduced number of available goods/services”, or the real economy matters – everybody (on average) has less of everything.
And then the Central Banksters are saved as their debts are inflated away to nothing. The deaths of a few grannies through starvation is surely a price worth paying (/sarc).
if they are flooded with money, they allocate it into investment goods
Such as expensive houses in the nicer suburbs of London and Berlin- hence the asset-price inflation which we can see all round us.
and if the prices of those are inflated, the wage inflation soon follows
Whether or not wage-inflation follows as a consequence of asset-price inflation is wholly-consequent upon political policy. It won’t. Follow, that is. That it won’t follow is hard-wired into the plan. How else will hundreds of millions of us be incentivised to beg for central digital currency and UBI?
National Central Banks are all members of the Bank of International Settlements whose board representatives (a closely guared secret?) travel under diplomatic immunity.
The BIS has long been the world government.
So move on put it all behind us
I still want the perpetrators and instigators of this human tragedy pursued and where applicable held accountable for their crimes against humanity.
I want that too, but on balance I would be happy with drop all the crap now, move on, and allow a more gradual change in scientific and public opinion to form – which I’m sure will happen, but very slowly, as the damages of the lockdown strategies come to light over a prolonged period.
Murder is murder and the bastards should be held to account.
They planning to stop manipulating children into the experimental, irreversible, injected pathogens too?
Thought not.
Ramping it up if anything. Which means far from not finished.
“Believe nothing, trust nobody”.
Yet more gaslighting, nudging and barefaced lying. If someone “from Government” or any of its satellites (MSM, BBC, NHS, LAs and the other drones) told me that, at 10:57 am on a Sunday morning, it’s daytime on Remembrance Sunday, I wouldn’t believe them.
‘But, crucially, the Government’s central planning assumption, described as the “leaving soon’” scenario, predicts there will be “no winter resurgence” of the virus.’
Whether there is or is not a winter resurgence is entirely down to the Government and the cycle threshold they decide to run the PCR tests at.
If the keep the cycle threshold at around 40-45 then nearly every case of the cold, flu and pneumonia will be reported as covid19.
If they lower the cycle threshold to 18 or below then there will be next to no covid19 and flu etc will come back with a bang.
But – remember we have LFTs as well, and thousands (more maybe?) of people are still taking 2 or 3 of these tests per week – for example, in schools. Interestingly, local schools seem to be introducing the once-weekly saliva test (without giving any indication what this actually involves, but I assume it’s PCR?), where the samples are taken off for analysis rather than the results appearing immediately.
Tests manufactured in China to the specification of the buyer. They can make the numbers say whatever they want.
Nah. It is the for-profit processing labs in the UK that determine the results.
Ooops we accidentally set the cycle count to 50 for a whole batch of many millions of tests. We won’t do it again. And the cheque for the £100 fine is in the post.
And ADE appears to be kicking in big time, certainly in my associate group.
The Tesco Christmas ad strikes quite a defiant note, albeit with some concessions to vaccine passports. A sign that the public’s appetite for being imprisoned in their homes is ending? So, our society has pretty much accepted the discrimination against those who refuse to be jabbed. To all those who push for this, who tacitly accept it by going along, to those who quietly stand by as unjabbed colleagues are marched out of their places of work, I have a simple question: Where do you draw the line? You’ve accepted the unjabbed will be discriminated against when travelling. You’ve accepted that there are public places unjabbed cannot enter You’ve accepted that unjabbed can lose their jobs You’ve accepted that unjabbed won’t receive the same medical care You’re about to accept that the unjabbed can be locked down (i.e. placed under house arrest) When do you stay stop? What do you refuse to go along? Will you stand up and say no when unjabbed are taken away to internment camps? Will you stand up and say no when unjabbed are physically restrained and jabbed against their will? Will you stand up and say no when it is decided that unjabbed should be eliminated… Read more »
Unfortunately too many people genuinely do not see the parallels. I’ve spoken to people trying to make your points. They don’t actually agree with the nazi passes, but they feel the comparison to what happened in 1930s Germany to be completely wrong. We’re not being round up and that is all they think of. The boiling frog – they haven’t a clue.
Apparently, if the political leaders are wearing Armani suits and are clean-shaven, they can’t be fascists. The only evil to be feared is when they have a little Hitler moustache and wear a uniform with a swatika, otherwise it can’t possibly be the same.
Being able to think is really hard word for a lot of people, sadly.
This quotation is from one of C. S. Lewis’ works; unfortunately I cannot locate the work:
‘The greatest evils are performed by men with cut fingernails in lighted offices; proposed, seconded, carried, minuted.’
I think he was probably referring to the infamous Wannsee conference which discussed and planned ‘The Final Solution’.
I have often wondered how it was that educated men could conceive and plan such a monstrous crime; and what about the secretaries who typed up the minutes? What was going on in their minds?
I think we now have some insights into all this.
People really don’t like to think. It genuinely dispirits me when I see people I know to be intellegent, shy away from concepts that they find difficult to think about, rather than acknowledge that the only way to deal with such a problem is face it head on, not hide from it. What you’re saying reminds me of one of those history series of the BBC back in the day when they were still excellent. I can’t remember if this was about people informing on their neighbours to the nazis or East Germans informing on their neighbours to the stasi (all being very much of a muchness). A woman was shown a report going into great detail regarding transgressions by a neighbour, who had ended up in trouble because of this report. It was signed by the woman being interviewed. She said she had never made this report. The interviewer then asked if it was her signature and she said yes. So the interviewer asked again, had she made the report. The woman was adamant she had done no such thing. Interviewer said is the signature forged then, the woman replied that no, it was definitely her signature, but she… Read more »
“People really don’t like to think. It genuinely dispirits me when I see people I know to be intelligent, shy away from concepts that they find difficult to think about, rather than acknowledge that the only way to deal with such a problem is face it head on, not hide from it.”
JDNL you have hit the nail on the head. I think that about 80% of the UK population falls into this category – it is nothing more than a coping strategy.
I cannot for the life of me understand how if they can see it, they don’t want to do something about it, however small.
I am a volunteer member of a local branch of a national organisation and of our active membership of fifteenish, ten are grads / post grads.
Every bloody one double injected and most now also “boosted.”
Last week there was an inquest because one member had been boosted before a couple of others:
“how did you manage that?”
“where did you get it done?”
“did you have to wait?”
On and on it went. Honestly, I thought I was listening to a Mad Hatters Tea Party.
Two of them now poorly with “bad colds.”
Or ADE to those who know better.
I know! Tell me about it!
I am hoping against hope that my elderly parents won’t get boosted – but they mainline the BBC on a daily basis and seem to think that the modern day equivalent of the bubonic plague is rampantly circulating everywhere so I’m not holding out too much hope. Have managed to persuade them to delay for moment, but was not helped in cause when out for coffee recently we bumped into a friend of similar age and mindset who told her she was “jealous” because she couldn’t get her booster for ages and she had heard my Mum was just about to get hers – didn’t help my campaign’s chances at all.
And remember how the term “mad hatters” was invented.
I watched the interview on mass formation referenced in one of the LS threads yesterday (Mattias Desmet).
The conditions that have to be in place to allow descent into mass hypnosis of large sections of the population were discussed. Essentially he described how the stress and anxiety induced by fear and uncertainty etc means susceptible people have to go with the narrative in order for them to cope. Thirty percent highly susceptible, 30 percent resistant, the other 40 percent can go either way. I think this explains how most of us commentating on here cannot fathom how others accept the illogicality of all the shite promulgated over the last 20 months. We are, literally, living in a different world, as our perceptions and interpretation creates a different situational reality.
Our problem is how to change the perceptual world these people are living in. Once a mindset is gained, it takes orders of magnitude more evidence to change it. Or some unpleasant actual reality has to intervene, if logical debate is ineffectual.
Make hospitals not close because of too many COVID-19 patients, and the “perceptual world” as you call it, should change. But perhaps you can tell me how could we change YOUR “perceptual world”?
For my parents to change their mindset they would have to stop watching the BBC and other MSM and at their age those habits are too ingrained to break. I got another dose of the “fear” from them today about some kind of superspreader event which generated a lot of “cases”.
No matter how patiently I point out each time that “cases” is almost meaningless and used to generate and ramp up and maintain fear they just cannot accept it. I don ‘t know how w reach these people.
The BBC is an establishment organisation. For a significant majority of the people, old and young, they cannot accept that an organisation they trust would be lying to them.
Maybe, just maybe, Jane, it is you who doesn’t like to think. To prove myself otherwise, I’ll leave the exercise of figuring out the main differences between discrimination against the Jews and against the unjabbed to yourself (it’s not that hard if you try).
Maybe your desire to needle people makes you feel good about coming up with ridiculous arguments. Discrimination and ostracising of whole groups on the basis of ‘inherent’ characteristics, as it were: bad. Discrimination and ostracising of whole groups on the basis of the fact that they wish to maintain the rights and freedoms guaranteed to them under the law: perfectly fine. Such thoughts and actions are not just “morally abhorrent”, they are illegal and unconstitutional and they are most harmful. When people abuse power and scapegoat others to deflect attention from their abuse, whether they scapegoat someone on the basis of characteristics such as heritage or refusal to comply with illegitimate acts is utterly irrelevant. People who use this pathetic argument do so because like those who claimed they never knew, they DO know, they know it is wrong, but comply for the sake of convenience and blame the scapegoat for refusing to be weak and give in like they have done. To stick with your sad analogy – the Jews had the choice to leave Germany and the countries it was eyeing up for occupation, plenty did so before it was too late after all. So really, staying with… Read more »
No, by far not all Jews had the choice to leave Germany, if only for pure economic reasons. The sacrifice of leaving one’s whole life behind is not in the least comparable with the effort of paying a visit to a doctor and then perhaps spending one day in bed with some muscle/joint ache, fatigue and a light fever. And since you did not even care to think about the second very important difference: the Jews, just by being Jewish, did not cause any problems for the society – although they were scapegoated and attributed many such fictional and broad problems by their oppressors. In contrast, the unvaccinated are causing a very specific, and very narrowly described problem – that of filling up ICU wards in hospitals and disrupting healthcare for other people who simply can’t avoid this. So if you want an accurate comparison, maybe you should focus on negligent behaviors such as smokers who cause others to second-hand smoke, not the accused Jews, or accusations based on any unchangeable characteristic of a group of people in general. Somehow as a society we find it ok to “discriminate” against smoking in (most) public places because of the immediate nuisance… Read more »
the ‘ unvaccinated ‘ are not the problem so your comparison does not work .
I agree that an absolute parallel is ridiculous.
But I do see a similarity in the sense that in both cases it was/is the deliberate and evil intent to create an irrational fear without which the desired results could never have been be obtained.
Both cases relied upon the sadly high proportion, 80% or so, of people who are susceptible to fear, incapable of critical thought, the lynch mob mentality, the sheep or whatever.
Of course there will never be a way of knowing for sure, but I believe the 20% would have been the main Nazi haters in Germany and the “antivaxers” and or anti vax mandators now.
I have no problem whatsoever in anyone wanting the jab – as long as they don’t even try to force it on others – especially kids.
Oh, and the concept of Hitler youth is a parallel – in the sense of catch them young
Yes, the mechanics of propaganda are similar, but that’s just because fear and worry are known to be huge motivators for humans, much more so than calm rational argumentation (as is unfortunately proved by the relative “success” of all the coercive regulations). What is very different from Nazis is the objective rationale. You can employ absolutely deplorable propaganda for a good cause, and that’s what’s being done – a silent assumption that ends justify the means. I don’t believe it should be done as there is a huge moral risk of unintended consequences – the lives saved by vaccination are not worth the destruction of social order and hate created by authoritarian measures, in my opinion. But it is invalid to compare it to ethnic cleansing of pure hate, which does not have the benefit of saving any lives at all. Imagine a fantasy world in which 100% people voluntarily took the vaccine (except those with actual medical exemptions). Do you think there would be room for any discriminatory regulations then? No, the politicians would have to come up with something else as their whole plan to divide and conquer using vaccination status would have turned out as entirely ineffective… Read more »
“Imagine a fantasy world in which 100% people voluntarily took the vaccine”
You are Neil Ferguson and I claim my £5.
‘That Hideous Strength’ had that kind of impersonal evil feel.
“That Hideous Strength”?
I think he was probably referring to the infamous Wannsee conference which discussed and planned ‘The Final Solution’.
Indeed- the full quote’s description of the archetypal evil bureaucrat sounds very like a pen-portrait of Heinrich Himmler.
I wonder the same thing, I was discussing it with a friend the other day, me I cannot understand when you have more money than you can ever spend, and can do what you like, why would you want to have power over citizens to direct their lives in your image. The responsibility, the amount of time it would take, the constant having to manage the situation meanwhile creating mass despair and unhappiness, why would anyone want that? Her response was that these people’s brains are wired in such a way that dominance over others feeds a part of the brain which like a drug requires more and more power to achieve satisfaction, they have no empathy or understanding of other humans, other humans are just resources to be used to them, If your brain isn’t wired like that you cannot hope to understand it, My question then went on to agree, but why for example in the various Governments around the world, and I include ours in this, when MP’S, Senators etc see what these leaders are doing, and the impact it is having why do they stay quiet, why do they allow it to go on?, what about… Read more »
Excellent comment.
I have written to my MP – the always useless Labour Debbie Abrahams a number of times asking when she is going to do her job and stand up for working people.
She usually abstains or fails to turn up. She is therefore a COLLABORATOR and as such as guilty as the rest of the Westminster degenerates.
Indeed. Far too many people see fascism as being defined largely by swastikas, goose-stepping and Heil Hitler salutes. These of course were the superficial symbols of one particular form of fascism and not part of the repugnant ideology itself. Look at the actual core tenets of fascism, as set out by writers such as Mussolini and Eco, and it’s quite clear that Covidianism is fascism which simply has a different superficial expression.
As well as this being beyond many people’s comprehension (even when it’s specifically pointed out to them), they also seem to imagine that the genocidal abuses of the Third Reich somehow appeared overnight, rather than developing gradually over a number of years.
Far too many people see fascism as being defined largely by swastikas, goose-stepping and Heil Hitler salutes.
Exactly. This persistent failure of recognition is a big problem for us; a big help for them.
Yes, and they do that because that’s the version of history they’ve had drummed into them since childhood. Establishment history. The winners history.
Its the same old, same old, there’s got to be a bogey man, a hobgoblin to give the masses a focus point. Works every time..
Don’t forget us convenient scapegoats, also key.
The unvaxxed are the reason the same group of elderly and vulnerable persons who were at risk from covid before are still at risk from corona now, even though that group has been poked with a vaxx for which it is still sworn high and low that even though it does not protect against infection, it definitely protects against hospitalisation and death – unless an unvaxxed person is within a 100 miles, than it stops working.
Jane, there is no point in attempting to debate with somebody who is either too stupid to understand the points you are making or who is here for malign motives, in an attempt to break up rational discussion into a slanging-match, or to try to intimidate people into feeling uncomfortable about posting to give us the benefit of their opinions, or both.
I most emphatically am not referring to George L in this context.
Your contributions to the debate here are very welcome, and I hope you will not be persuaded out of talking with us by one of the current resident village idiots.
It would be very enlightening if you could produce some of these core tenets in order to demonstrate what you’re just hinting at. Eg, Hitler was firmly opposed to any form of internationalism, rejected stock exchanges as evil and was convinced that the correct way to organize a society was military hierarchy and total absence of anything resembling governance by councils or committees. This looks a lot like a polar opposite to the Corona new normal.
Pre-eminence of the state (as seen by a wide variety of restrictive practices in many countries) Common enemy or enemies, with an obsessive focus on this, and demonisation of the enemies (normally on grounds which are simply wrong and completely irrational). In this case, it’s been variously ‘people who don’t follow the rules’, the unmuzzled, and most recently the unvaxxed Fear / hatred of anyone who is ‘different’ in specified ways (in this case, that’s anyone who doesn’t buy into the whole narrative) Contempt for anyone seen as ‘weak’ (e.g. the bullying of the unmuzzled – many of whom had medical reasons for this) Populism Heavy use of propaganda Control of the mainstream media Over-use of police and / or the military against the population (including the ever-present threat of this happening) Strong integration of the state and big business – those who support the state and do its bidding are treated very favourably. That’s just a few – plenty more out there. And as regards Hitler being against councils and committees – how else would you describe the ‘rule by diktat’ which we have seen in this country (and elsewhere) over the past 18 months? In this country (UK)… Read more »
Sorry, but you aren’t giving fascist core tenets but general characteristics of autocratic regimes with some run-of-the-mill US propaganda thrown in (pre-eminence of the state — that’s considered to be the perfectly normal state of affairs in large parts of Europe, more so in the late 19th and early 20th century).
This rule by executive fiat was all driven by some nebulous scientific consensus, ie a majority decision of a mass of mostly anonymous scientists who were absolved from responsibilty for the practical outcomes of their advice, starting with the WHO, an international committe of mostly anonymous, ie, usually only known to their peers, experts. As I already wrote: That’s the polar opposite of Hitler’s idea to structure society based on a hierarchical system of gifted/ talented leaders with absolute authority over those below them and invididual responsibility/ accountability towards those above them.
All of the characteristics I’ve listed appear in lists of standard definitions of fascism.
But if you are going to disagree, why don’t you tell us what you think charaterises fascism? You seem to be implying that Hitler’s version of it is the only variant – which is clearly not the case, e.g. Mussolini’s version was notably different.
Hitler was a National Socialist, not a fascist.
Fascism is the marriage of governments and corporations working together for ‘their’ common aims. Not the people’s.
Communism is the state ( government) working for the aims of all the people. Never happens of course, because as soon as whoever runs the organs of the state gets power they run things for themselves and align with ‘powerful friends’ who are often corporations and so you get back to fascism.
We live in a fascist world, with the mythology of ‘demos’ embroidered. What has recently happened is the veil of that embroiderment falling away somewhat. What lies behind the curtain is not what they want you to see.
He was mentioned by the poster I was replying to. I’m tolerably familiar with Mein Kampf but know only little about Italian fascism. But enough to point out a misunderstanding here: It was supposed to be a corporatist system, losely pattern after medieval society and corporation doesn’t mean company here (especially not multinational, stock-exchange listed company). It means something like (example) organizing all farmers in a national society of farmers, all butchers in a national society of butchers, all traders in a national society of traders and so on and all these national organizations cooperating with each other in order to organize and run society.
Don’t wish to argue. Italian fascism is one thing, we are currently engaged with Global Fascism which is cooperation of global corporations, global investors, global bankers, individual and family funds, governments and intra-govermental organisations (WEF for instance). Same model, a small number of people know they know best for the rest; and make sure they get rich and powerful. The ‘demos’ of the little people is relegated to ‘showtime’.
Incidentally the WEF resides in Cologny in the canton of Geneva ( just down the road from Corsier where I once lived). Cologny’s other claims to fame ( besides being the richest part of Geneva) is that Frankenstein and The Vampyres were written there. Symbolic.
Corporatism has nothing to do with corporations in the sense you’re using it here. That’s just a homonym. You’re engaged with something (or we’re engaged with something — I concede that) and out of a bad habit, you want to label this something fascism. At best, that’s not helpful. More likely, it’s harmful.
What is your definition of Fascism?
I may have missed it in the reams above – apologies if so.
The term “National Socialism” was the infamous Third Way – neither pure Nationalism nor pure Socialism.
Armani maybe, but I prefer to think they wear Hugo Boss. Nice bit of history there…
Austrian University student has written how she was made to sit seperately from the rest of the students who were vaccinated and was made to wear an orange arm band to identify her unclean status,
I suspect coming to a country near us any day now, Arm bands are so much cheaper to mass produce than stars and you dont have to rely on people being able to sew.
Watch for Government cronies setting up industries with tax payers money to produce
They can Fuck right off.
Further if evidence points more and more strongly to the possibility of it being those who have chosen the jabs who are actually driving the disease, will they voluntarily choose all the above strategies to “prevent disease from spreading” but directed against themselves?
Since when have Jews been marginalised?they are buried deep within Government,financial institutions,omnipresent that’s the sthick they portray.Do you think Israel has taken the Goyim juice doubt it.
Exactly.. wasn’t it Voltaire who said “if you want to know who truly rules over you think who you’re not allowed to criticise”..
The comparison is with European Jews in the 1930s. I thought I didn’t need to spell it out.
You might want to look into the interests of 1930s – 1940s Zionists regarding the nature of Israel-to-be and the reasons why Israel militias (Irgun) attacked them as readily as they attacked the British forces in Palestine.
I suggest Ben Hecht’s “Perfidy” for a good introduction.
Mark Dolan called ALL of this out, almost precisely as you have stated it, in his monologue on GB News last night. He totally nailed it and highlighted the parallel of this type of fascism and, for example, the Austrian proposal to lock down only the unjabbed, forcing them to wear some kind of signifying emblem, and did they, the birthplace of the progenitor of the evil taking place in Germany in the 30’s not learn anything at all from that? had they NO shame??? The Labour Party representative on the studio panel not only didn’t see the glaring comparison (how thick can people be??) but took Dolan to task for his “crass” juxtaposition of his comments on the eve of remembrance Sunday in the UK. Dolan came back at him like an attack dog and ably defended the points he had made. My takeaways from this. Dolan, and to a lesser extent Dan Wootton (a bit pro vaxx for my liking) are going as far as they can to draw the public’s attention to the emperor’s new clothes – certainly on the covid restrictions. Dolan was critical of the vaxx and the vaxx passport last night. Both of them… Read more »
Have you a link to Dolan’s monologue please Milo?
I saw one (linked below) in which – like Toby – he put the whole Covid nightmare down to cockupery rather than conspiracy.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jcKiqfMffL8
sorry timsk no I don’t have a link – it was on his GB news show last night and no he was definitely NOT taking the TY “cockupery rather than conspiracy” stance – if anything he was conspiracy minded. He was quite fired up actually.
It wasn’t this monologue you have linked about the NHs. It was a piece about the plans to make the restrictions only apply to the unjabbed and he made the direct comparison between turning the unjabbed into second class citizens and the treatment of Jews in Nazi Germany. Well worth a watch if anyone can find it.
The Labour Party is now, fortunately in terminal decline.
Good riddance.
I have just complained to the Advertising standards authority regarding the Tesco ad, that it is offensive to Catholics and Christians as Santa is Saint Nicholas a Saint so therefore is Godly and in no need of mans vaccine as he has Gods protection.
That the advert would appear to support othering and the segregation of society based on a medical procedure
Finally is parroting Government propaganda aimed at Children who are being targeted to take the vaccine, even though only 6 children died from Covid. many more have been injured by the vaccine but through the Santa has his vaccine pass it is telling children this is what they ought to have if they want to be a good citizen.
This type of political, propaganda aimed at children and actively encouraging discrimination of the worst kind should not be in an advert especially one which is directed to Children please get your complaints in.
good for you!! hope you get a response
The major difference between the Jews and the unjabbed is that you could not stop being a Jew, but you can stop being unjabbed within a month. And then revel in all the “luxury” of “normal” life (or what is left of it).
Even so, I still think it is morally abhorrent to discriminate so harshly against people who are simply worried and stupid, yet for the most part completely harmless to society. And frankly anyone who advocates this discrimination should be discriminated against, karma-style.
Fuck Tescos for normalising slave passes.
Exactly what I thought when I heard about the commercial.
At least the government commercial for getting jabbed makes it clear that it’s toxic sludge that makes you glow in the dark.
Haha, it’s at times like this I’m glad not to have a TV
I’ll be honest, I love that commercial. I had read about it in the DM first, which said it was like the Reddi Brek commercial, where people glowed. When I saw it later that evening, with people walking around with a blue glow for the corona poke and a yellow glow for the flu poke I thought “are they suggesting that people will glow in the dark?”
The commercial ends with people getting off the bus to go home at the end of the day – literally glowing in the dark. I laughed and I laughed and I laughed when I saw that. I couldn’t figure out if a moron had developed the commercial or someone at the ad agency was taking the piss and a moron had signed off on the commercial. But who thought it was a good idea to suggest that the vaxx is radioactive sludge?
Perhaps it should have features workers at Sellafield as the commuters for maximum effect?!
I’m sorry, but I see it as being more emblematic of that warm smug glow of the virtue signalling “I’ve done my bit for society – I’m one of the heroes who has had the jab to save granny”, as opposed to the radioactive sludge we might think of it as being.
I just did my shopping in Lidl as a reprisal.
It’s been reported that some Lidl stores are bringing in mandated vaccines for staff. My local one hasn’t so I’m still using it. I dont use Sainsbury at all because of its support of BLM and black history month but have never celebrated white history month and I never use tesco because of its overzealous implementation of government guidleines during the first lockdown, a decision now reinforced by the apartheid supporting christmas ad.
Damn. Co-op?
Harries won’t release from hell-on-earth.
Squalling about loss of gravy-train – replaced by ‘climate’.
‘Mutants’ retained for ever by the mutants.
World’s government is a bunch of tyrannical eugenicists – psycho or socio paths; incurable and ever increasingly sick
They need to call a halt to wasting money on in-patent ‘Covid’ drugs immediately none of them are worth the cost.
The huge sums already wasted on so-called vaccines, that have proved useless at minimising spread, should have been spent instead on measures to improve the health of the population – starting with improving diet to ensure everyone has all the ‘essential’ vitamins, minerals, and amino acids.
Well, absolutely…
and, if it is endemic, getting GPs to start seeing patients face to face in person in their surgeries.
Think about it. What on EARTH can be happening to the health to a whole nation of people if only a tiny fraction of them needing care have been seen face to face by their doctor in almost 2 years.
The plan is working then.
Will they be getting rid of all the powers they have awarded themselves? I doubt it very much.
Well, they won’t scrap the 1984 Public Health Act nor the Civil Contingencies Act. So most of the bullshit is able to continue. Albeit with Parliamentary scrutiny, the Coronavirus Act seems to be the distraction the system needs to enable the use of the other acts without challenge.
Says Pandemic!
“Parliamentary scrutiny?”
You are having a larf.
https://www.rubikon.news/artikel/das-trojanische-pferd
Temporary reprieve, until the PM gets a call from One Health, to whom he is signing away the UK’s sovereignty shortly.
This signature will be far more crippling, constraining and abolishing Britain’s sovereignty than the one made in 1972.
Leaked again. What a wonderful way to run a “democracy”. How many focus groups and yougov polls did we pay for ahead of this “slip” of policy ? Casting back to March 2020, they always had the 2 years in mind. They stuck to it. The devastation caused will last generations, not just 2 years. If only someone was truly brave enough to begin with.
Indeed. My dentist last year said that the restrictions would be in place for two years. At my appointment last week, at the start I asked if she would be descaling manually again (i.e. scrapping instead of ultrasound with water spray) and she said yes, but next year things would be back in use.
I was at the dentist last week for a routine appointment. Some of the reception staff were half-heartedly pretending to wear masks, though no patients were bothering. The masked up hygienist used the proper equipment for descaling and cleaning, after which an unmasked dentist came into the room and did the usual rather thorough inspection. Normality almost back there.
Your dentist has no greater access to any inside information than you have. I’m a dentist- I know. Or don’t.
https://www.wrongkindofgreen.org/2020/03/19/the-show-must-go-on-event-201-the-2019-fictional-pandemic-exercise-world-economic-forum-gates-foundation-et-al/
https://www.wrongkindofgreen.org/2021/10/07/whats-really-at-stake-with-vaccine-passports/
Fake news.
In April the government plans to fire 10s of thousands of NHS workers. They’re just with us again.
Sorry, my dyslexia had a fight with my Tourette’s & won, hope the grammar & spelling police don’t tazer me, I have disabilities.
They could stop it right now if they really wanted.
So why sack unvaccinated health workers on 1st April then?
That is precisely the opposite of dialling back the bullshit.