Quarantine and Testing May Return for Those Who Aren’t Triple Jabbed
The Government is considering tightening restrictions on international travel by mandating that holidaymakers be triple vaccinated if they are to avoid mandatory testing and quarantine. A grace period is being discussed which, if implemented, would mean that those not offered a booster jab within six months after they received their second dose would be exempt from the law, but the window could be as low as only two months. The Telegraph has the story.
The plans, which emerged on Saturday night, would see quarantine and testing reimposed for eligible groups who refuse to take up the top-up dose.
On Saturday night Government sources confirmed they were looking into the proposals, which would be modelled on the system in Israel.
British holidaymakers are already facing travel restrictions if they wish to travel to the country or to Austria, where the authorities have begun imposing limits on the validity of vaccinations.
However, according to the Mail on Sunday, the Government is now looking at imposing restrictions on those returning from abroad amid concerns that waning immunity over time risks them returning home with the virus.
Officials are said to be divided over how soon to implement the measures and are considering a grace period that would allow people to travel without quarantining if they had sought a booster six months after their second jab but had not yet been offered an appointment.
Sources said that a grace period of between one and two months was under discussion.
The plans are likely to provoke a backlash among Tory MPs and, if enacted, would represent another potential blow to the aviation and travel industries, which have already endured months of reduced trade due to global restrictions.
It came as Health Secretary Sajid Javid said almost 10 million people have now received their booster jab, but encouraged people to urge their elderly relatives to come forward.
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“I think there are two ways in which people are controlled, first of all frighten them and secondly demoralise them.
A healthy and confident nation is harder to govern”.
Seems we haven’t been demoralised enough yet.
Indeed Karen and my fellow Skeptics… “Well, as you know… I always felt we tried to go a jibb-jabb too far…” In the war against bio-security tyranny this might just trigger the start of mass baulking… by those sleeping Brit masses still brain numbed by the 24/7 fear mongering MSM propaganda. Apart from those bedwetters that will turn themselves into willing needle pin-cushions till their natural immune systems are 110% shot through. Whodahthunkit? Just like in Israel overnight your green pass vaxx passport status flashes RED – no go. Your crime? You’re no longer vaxxed…. see what they did there? Regular readers/lurkers here know well the questionable therapeutic value of these emergency authorised only mRNA/DNA gene therapies for the healthy under 60s. And many last summer vaxxiods only did it on the coercive bribe tease of easier international jet travel. Oh dear… that stratagem hasn’t worked out too well has it? If individual constitutional and civil rights do not include being able to choose, without Govt coercion what is injected into you or your children’s bodies… then they are illusory. It means these rights can evaporate at the whim of any public health official’s opinion or bogus data agenda driven study. [Exactly… Read more »
When you read the words of Sir Alexander King and his ilk, you seriously have to wonder if there are two species on this planet; Earthlings (99.9%) and Predatory Globalists (0.1%).
Yeah.. Kings a little shit.. they all are. I read ‘The First Global Revolution’ years back, and had an inkling then about what was to come..
Have a listen to Catherine Austin Fitts podcast interview with James Delingpole. She says this is exactly how it is. They literally consider themselves another species. The rest of us are cattle.
What species are the bodyguards of the politicians? What species are the Police?
The enablers are middle-class liberals, that should be the ‘target’ audience, & to be honest the less liberal lefties there are the better IMO.
Cheer yourself up with a visit to the Guardian YouTube coverage of’ millions protest climate change worldwide’
Like votes heavily outperformed by dislike; comments as far as I got all hostile and contrary.
That will put their usual middle class liberal readers right off their lunchtime banquets.
No, never, won’t, can’t make me, I’d rather staple my naked testicles to a fire ant’s nest!
No, never, won’t, can’t make me, I’d rather staple my naked testicles to a fire ant’s nest!
I do that every morning.. it sets me up for the day.. 😉
It’s a free country mate, I go there just to see what they are getting hot and bothered and to downtick as appropriate.
Fair play to their website though, it’s the only ‘major’ not to be hiding behind a paywall.
I break out in hives if someone just mentions the guardian.
I’d prefer a paywall to Grauniad’s manipulative guilt tripping. At least one can then turn ‘javascript enabled’ off and read behind the paywall for most others. “Thank you for reading 149 articles … in the last year. Millions turn to the Guardian every day for fiercely independent journalism that’s open and free for all. We have no shareholders, no billionaire owner and no commercial or political masters. Just the passion and determination to bring readers quality, truth-seeking reporting on the world, its people and power. This makes us different. Show your support today by becoming a digital subscriber, from just £5.99 a month. Doing so helps to protect our vital independence, it keeps us free of a paywall, and makes a real difference for our future. ”
independence ??? truth-seeking reporting ???? really ?
It is in the Guardian News channel The one called Guardian is the same newspaper but with some different content.
I had to watch it to see what the loons have posted about the loonies protesting.
Not one person has protested about all the flying into Glasgow, the huge motor cavalcades. Only about stopping manufacturing of items which help they live life much easier. Like trains, infrastructure, housing, isolation for the housing etc etc.
The one I subscribe to is simply Guardian with their logo and its first offering this morning was as described above.
You are correct, and while they can afford it they will continue, but what happens when the dinner party starts getting expensive and when they start to get fined for taking too many flights to their place in France?. It will be too late then.
Sadly this is true.. the friends in that class that I’ve tried to get through to are about as dumbed down as you can get. The frightening thing is a lot of them are teachers, the very people
educatingbrainwashing our young people..No. In specific terms and in actuality, the Brexiteer Tories are the instigators and ‘enablers’ . The rest are coat-tailers.
Just a historical fact for reality deniers who can’t face their role in f.ing the country. 🙂
(Sits back and waits for burst of ‘Whataboutery’ reality denial.)
On your point about Israel, as a X2 vaxxee I have my glorified bar code QR code vax Passport on my phone that has to be updated monthly. I fully expect that update to be disabled when I decline to take jab #3.
Do I feel smug and confident because I have no intention of flying anywhere?
No because RT yesterday reported that the German State of Hesse (regional government stronger than our Counties or Cities) has authorised ALL retail outlets to bar the unvaxxed including grocery shops ie basic foodstuffs.
This is surely a model for all western legislations.
Get a paper one too
I didn’t get it for ease of access to planes, pubs or non-essential shops but in case they made it compulsory for use in hospital transport providers which I was going to need 20 or more times this year; unnecessary as it turns out so no longer bovvered.
Hold the line.
I think the just about the whole upper middle class are going for multiple injections, babies will be included, in order to have the multi holidays they are used to.
They are eating the ground gold from the calf they worship.
So you’ve been jabbed twice and are still alive. As is my partner. And many other people we know. No-one seems to be dropping dead of ‘ADE’ so far – there were claims galore that people would be dropping like flies before Christmas, and that was with the SECOND shot, never mind the third! I don’t think the ‘vaccinated’ are going to be snuffing it in droves, but I do believe that the ‘Vaccine Passport’ will become invalid unless you do as Javid says and get your ‘updates’. This is something I guessed would happen, and here it is happening before our very eyes. What happened to the dancing nanobots, by the way? You know, the ones that were building antenna inside the bodies of the vaxxed so their brains would connect to the 5G network? All gone quiet on that front. I expect that’s because it was a load of bollocks. But control of the people by the likes of Javid and his ‘mates’ is very real. I always said this was about control, and making money out of it. 37 billion squids for Test & Test … yet Sunak removes £20/week from the poorest families – what a… Read more »
Very much alive and kicking thank you Emerald.
That’s despite having comorbidities and 4 months chemo having spent the first year of ‘the Covid’ out and about as a key worker coming up close in confined spaces with approx 5,000 people during the 2020 covid season, unmasked (later also because ‘exempt’) and unvaxxed during that time.
I may have had a mild dose during the pre-wave as frequently reported by others here and elswhere or even built up my own natural immunity from the contacts described above.
For that same reason I have never had ‘flu’ nor taken the flu vaccine.
As has been pointed out on.public comment pages all over the place.
As many people died in the so called 2nd wave after the vulnerable had been vaccinated as in the first when none had and which included the ‘dru tinder’ and those condemned to death by shoving the infected back into their nursing homes along with their chums.
Chickens. Counting. Hatched.
Latest ONS data shows for the week ending 22 October 2021 (Week 42) deaths in England and Wales are 14% above 5 year average.
https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/bulletins/deathsregisteredweeklyinenglandandwalesprovisional/22october2021
UKHSA data still showing covid case rate in the double vaxxed is more than twice that in the unvaxxed.
https://staging.dailysceptic.org/2021/11/05/infection-rates-more-than-twice-as-high-in-the-vaccinated-new-ukhsa-data-shows/
Your insistence on clinging to your trust in big pharma Emerald Fox is the perfect mirror for the 5G nano-bot brigade …
Mind you, walt choice do you have, apart from one day possibly having to admit that your trust was misplaced.
Quite what the benefit you have seen from your double jabbedness is a mystery. Perhaps you could enlighten me? Are you going for the third too?
My apologies, I misread your post and now realise it is not you who is double jabbed but your partner.
“And many last summer vaxxoids only did it on the coercive bribe tease of easier international jet travel. Oh dear… that stratagem hasn’t worked out too well has it?”
Entering the UK is easier for the ‘fully vaxxed’ as they have no 10 day quarantine, and only have to fork out for an LFT kit from some shady cowboy company that has been ‘approved’ by the Government (ie. gives backhanders to those who dish out the permits).
Whereas the ‘unjabbed’ are expected to quarantine themselves for 10 days, and are forced to pre-purchase PCR tests for Day 2 and Day 8.
Whether arrivals do actually quarantine for 10 days or take their chances with Serco and their merry band of Mitie marshalls I do not know, and would be interested to read more about this – sadly, little about this seems to come to light.
I had to do the ten day self isolstion and pay for the two pcr tests.
Sent the tests off but that is as far as my compliance went.
Nuff said.
Did Track’n’Trace ever contact you to asses your level of compliance?
They tried to call me on my Thai sim card but I took it out of my phone.
The way they track the recently returned is a f*cking joke. It was described to me by 3 of Track’n’Traces operatives last year.
Wait a minute. What is the therapeutic value for the healthy over 60s? What is the therapeutic value of these shots for anyone?
The convention when referring to a person who has been knighted is to use their first name. So, it’s “Sir Alexander” and not “Sir King”. I’ll take off my Grammar Nazi hat now.
👏 👍
I’ve asked this several times during the last few days but haven’t got an answer. Now that they have got not one, but two antiviral drugs approved for use against Covid, does that mean the emergency licence for jabs becomes null and void?
In a sane world yes, however as long as they say there is an “emergency” I would imagine they won’t be stopped anytime soon.
A question I have asked myself. I think we are at the stage where the rule book has just been burned. There are no ethics, laws, or standards any more.
Listen to Anna de Buisseret – so much of what is going on is illegal. They don’t care any more – they have the Courts in their pockets – so what can we do?
Well, we can send e-mails to our MPs and… oh, I don’t know… how about signing some on-line petition about something or other. That’ll show ’em!
It’s a pity that more of us do not take part in our so-called democracy. If we had all paid close attention in these matters and our culture encouraged us to own our decision makers instead of it being the other way around, then things might be very different.
There are already many existing treatments for covid-19 with a proven safety record. These new drugs are also licensed under emergency (unproven) so no, I suspect they won’t withdraw the use of the “vaccines”, ever, in fact I expect the argument from big pharma that as the vaccines have been widely distributed & used they have proven themselves effective & safe, so the vaccines will be given full approval by regulators, very soon.
It’s BS, but our system of government has been captured by corporate elites, want to stop it? Stop funding corporations!
Send a mail to the MHRA. They will respond.
If the government wanted to get out of the hole it’s dug itself there have been no shortage of ‘ladders’ that they could have used, the most natural one being once the vulnerable had all been vaccinated. That was in March/April sometime.
I’m not conspiracy minded but the government(s) couldn’t have made it look more like a conspiracy if they tried.
Precisely, like you said, they have had ample opportunity to dig themselves out of this hole on several occasions. But the inconvenient truth is most of the “western democratic” countries are dancing to the same tune, and when you take a step back and look at the big picture, none of it is logical. They are clearly nudging us toward the “new normal” whatever that might entail, is it the “great reset”? Or do they have something else planned?
I intially thought this whole thing was just a cover for the impending global financial crisis, however they appear to be trying to get the markets to collapse, with their frivolous spending and lockdowns.
Entirely predictable, and how long before being “fully vaccinated” means 3+ jabs for the poor Care and NHS workers?
Seen enough yet? How many more jabs will people need before it is deemed acceptable by these tyrants? 3, 6, 9, in perpetuity? And of course you will start paying for them in the near future. This is never going to end. Unless, people get off their backsides, switch their telly’s off, stop looking at their phones and do something about it.
I think that points over now, if people haven’t woken up to what’s happening they’re not going too. The question now is, how many ‘silent’ awake people are there. It doesn’t take a large percentage to facilitate change, 10% is enough, but time is fast running out!
The thumb screws of control are tightening, only recently has the financial services regulator imposed mandatory 2 step payment verification incorporating a mobile phone for online purchases! This is imposed under the guise of “security” often where fraud is improbable. The requirement for a mobile phone to make a purchase, is one more nudge toward a digital currency, social credit system & total control
If we don’t like the T&Cs we don’t have to buy. If we don’t buy, they collapse.
When council introduced pay-by-phone parking so many of us went elsewhere council reined-in its policy.
While shops remain extant, we don’t have to shop on-line. If we all shop on-line 100,000s of retail assistants’ jobs will be lost.
I don’t use self-service check-out, hand-held gadget or pay-at-pump:
1 I’m in favour of people having jobs.
2 If retailers want me to do their work for them, they must pay me to do it.
3 If retailers want my money they have to comply with my T&Cs
Agreed
Trouble is when you are banned from shops due to being unvaxxed vermin they need a way to check your vaxx status when purchasing online. This is all to ensure that only the obedient will be able to live at all.
Depends on what you consider living.
Eat to live, yes, but eating to prolong a mere existence is a very different consideration
The online world was proclaiming the same sentiment not may years after 9/11 …
Being told to pay for it will be a major wake up call for some people though there will be many exemptions, pensioners, those on Univeral Credit although they may told to prove their vax status to continue receiving those benefits.
Imagine all the 17 year olds being invited to get their last FREE jab before they turn 18.
About time people were made to pay for their jabs. Why am I paying taxes so they can have them for free? Oh, yes, they are bravely taking the ‘vaccines’ in an effort to save me from the Terrible Covids!
You ARE paying for it.
Why do people have this notion that they whe they get things from the government it’s free?
The government takes your money then spends it. Some times, if you’re lucky you might get something you want. Most of the time they spend it on things you don’t really want. Like Pfizer vaccines, police to make sure you stay home when you are told to, on Boris Johnson private jet, benefits for people who don’t want to work and such like.
It’s your money they’re spending.
It’s your grandchildren thay will be picking up the tab for all the recklessly borrowed money.
The only saving grace is that the UK can do so more cheaply than countries with a record of jilting on their debt repayments.
Our grandchildren have no future.
Still lying to the public. It’s quadruple “jabbed” in Israel or no dice. Then it’s quintuple jabbed, then it’s weekly jabbing, then it’s daily jabbing. Eventually, you won’t be able to fly unless you’re walking around pulling your own drip behind you full of spike protein.
A drip trolley? But what if a prisoner cut the in-tube, or wandered off the radar? We can’t have that! More likely: “Under-the-skin microchip delivers doses of medicine“. That’s an article from 9 years ago; there are many more recent ones.
And “to keep us all safe” the chip can carry an ID linked to medical records, NI records, driving licence, travel info, criminal record, DBS, etc. (Rest assured, vax status will become part of DBS before too long.)
It’s about to be trialled in Utah apparently, all that information and more stored on their new digital drivers licence.
They’re not lying. They are just not telling you the whole truth.
If this isn’t stopped in its tracks NOW, it will never end.
4th booster requirement next, and so on.
It makes zero sense with regard to seasonality to propose such a thing now.
Let alone in general and medically or with regard to the unvaxxeds’ discrimination.
And, of course, there is absolutely no exit plan, again.
#United Non Compliance!
Maybe it will open some vaxxed people’s eyes, also with regard to the discrimination of the unvaxxed, but then, most vaccinated people have not just lost their moral compass, but also seem to have become masochists.
2 more and almost ubiquous side effects of the gunk.
But nobody wants to fight, and any mention of violence gets people out wagging their finger saying you’re playing into the enemy’s hands.
This should have stopped in March 2020.
It could be argued that NOT fighting is playing into the enemy’s hands, and that all those who suggested not kicking up a proper fuss are really working for the ’77th’.
When I see videos of protests and protesters getting sprayed in the face by the Police and doing nothing about it, I just wonder what’s wrong with them. I’d be livid.
Just a thought but if the “unvaccinated” in the future are bullied enough to have the jab, how many do they have?
As many as they’re told to have. The idea is that they want us to get into the cattle truck along with the sheeple, stab, another stab after two weeks, and regular stabs thereafter. It will be on a basis of “When I say ‘stab time’, you roll up your sleeve and you don’t start quibbling with me over how long it’s been since you had your last stab – I am not your mother – is that clear?“
Judging from some of the chit-chat here, many people seem to be gagging to “get their booster”, and will go to some lengths, including travelling distances, for this dubious privilege. Most seem to have swallowed the propaganda from Government, MSM and the NHS and its numerous sub-organisations hook, line and sinker.
I think the boosters are a political risk. I know a few double jabbed people who are not getting a booster or are not best pleased with having them every 6 months forever. I think it might be overreach and they will pull back. They will need to coordinate with the EU and other major country governments. Of course plenty will be keen to get them, but those are the people who will probably never wake up. Those who got jabbed to be able to travel – IMO possibly a majority – will tire of this, I predict.
I think you are right Julian. I know many friends in their 40s decided to get the 2 injections because they believed that was it, like having the childhood MMR, Tetanus or Hepatitis vaccines.
They believed they were then covered and free to travel abroad, they didn’t fear getting covid but just wanted hassle free trips abroad. They didn’t realise it would be an injection every 6 months or less.
The whole thing is an untried medical experiment, inflicted solely for political reasons, on millions of people. What could possibly go wrong? Already the noises about shortening the interval before shoving some more of this next-to-useless stuff are a clear sign of the treadmill to come, and that’s without the panic and chaos when the “vaccines” have succeeded in producing a more lethal variant of this.
It really does look as if the chances of this dying out or dwindling away, as did Spanish Flu etc., have been scuppered.
There never was any chance of it going away by itself. That was never the plan.
You have a point. The question is how long and how many will it take to make an impact by actually sussing that the boosters are solid proof that they’ve been had big time
Yes, I looked at an online site for people with heart conditions and what you say is true. Many of them were travelling to other areas to get their booster early. They were well informed as far as the MSM info/propaganda on jabs go, this is why I never argue now with believers, they have all turned into virology “experts”
They will always have enough. They will divert stocks from poorer countries.
They will be given whatever it takes to kill them.
Another “conspiracy theory” looks like it might come true
The headline is confusing because there is quarantine right now for unvaccinated people returning to Britain (or entering for the first time) from abroad.
In England, it’s 10 days’ quarantine at home, reducible to 5 for
good behavioura negative test.In Scotland, it’s 10 days of lockup in a
prisonhotel, plus afinepayment of £1750, no early release available.Many of the 1300 rooms in Scotland are empty, but presumably the government has handed over millions of pounds to one or two hoteliers it’s friendly with, for a block booking.
The headline should say something like “Quarantine and Testing May Return for Those Who Are ‘Only’ Double-Jabbed”.
Covid is here, but they don’t want people bringing it back here, because… umm…
“Ah, but it’s potential variants we don’t have that it protects against, you see.”
But the drop in vaccine effectiveness is being largely blamed on variants, so vaccination status says nothing much about your risk of carrying a variant.
Are we still supposed to pretend this is about what they say it’s about?
A vaccinated individual will have an increased probability of carrying a vaccine-resistant variant.
That is very convenient for the 000’s of people who just travelled to Glasgow to show us their ignorance, and will it apply to those who use private jets?
Lockdown air restrictions never did apply to private jets so long as the passengers were on the rich list or diplomatic/government staff/politicians/well placed journalists/ senior business people.
Am I right that the initial study data used to inform the JCVI booster guidance below has yet to be published?
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/jcvi-issues-updated-advice-on-covid-19-booster-vaccination
I wonder if the “preference for the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine for the booster programme” rather the newer (and more traditional vaccines in the trial is linked to the Govt needing to shift the 60M doses Matt Hancock signed us up for first ?
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/uk-secures-extra-60-million-pfizerbiontech-covid-19-vaccines
No new vaccines required, the Pfizer will be sufficiently lethal.
My fanatical pro-vax friend had both jabs but owing to the constant stream of censored info I was passing her she realised things were not right so refused the third. Her husband had the third last week and suffered a really bad reaction and paramedics had to be called. Now her entire family have been alerted to the nature of the hoax and warned of the dangers of being shot up by the regime none of them will be getting any more injections. More people are waking up. They might suffer from a job loss, a business closure, a child being bullied for non-compliance, a penalty for not following the rules or an injury/death from the injections but slowly more and more people will join the resistance. The regime will then have to introduce harsher measures to make people submit to its will, which will cause greater suffering and bring more over to the resistance. Stay true. Stay strong. Time is on our side.
I know in Israel they had a lot of problems with the third shot causing many adverse effects. from what I read, risk of AE is going to go up with each one, at least in susceptible people.
I know of 7 people with severe adverse effects to the booster, one hospitalised. This is starting to shake even devotees of the jab.
Part of the problem, which hopefully will be classified as a crime in the future, is the deliberate misuse of terms like vaccine and booster. None of the injections used in the UK were vaccines and the “boosters” are not boosters. Each shot is just another dose of genetic instructions ordering your body to create more spike protein. We already know this is dangerous.
@Horse – This is a good point. I hadn’t realised before that this is true of the Astrazeneca injection as well as the Pfizer and Moderna ones which use mRNA.
What word should the resistance use instead of “vaccine”? “Jab” is far too cuddly.
The regime pivoted to “jab” quite early on. A key difference between mRNA and viral vector was that the former carried instructions to the cytoplasm and the latter into the nucleus, but some recent Swedish research is showing mRNA spike protein in the nucleus. Fact is, they just don’t know because we’re still in the experimental phase, which is why all this breaches the Nuremberg Code.
If it breaches the Nuremberg code then it is illegal.
Injection, bio-weapon, clot shot, nanotech upgrade, gene therapy, spike protein infusion, toxic treatment….
injected pathogen…
Stab.
Use the term “lethal injection” for that is what they are.
Her injection injured husband could not be taken to hospital as the waiting time there was too long so he had to be taken to a local surgery to be treated!!
The regime will introduce shocks which as far as the sheeple are concerned will come like lightning bolts out of blue sky. That’s what we can expect the enemy to do if otherwise time would be on our side.
“Once when he happened in some connexion to mention the war against Eurasia, she startled him by saying casually that in her opinion the war was not happening. The rocket bombs which fell daily on London were probably fired by the Government of Oceania itself, ‘just to keep people frightened’. This was an idea that had literally never occurred to him.”
I quote this from George Orwell’s “1984” to emphasise what powerful weapons the enemy has at its disposal.
Documents released by Ed Snowden showed that the regime is fighting psychological warfare against the population. They will not baulk for one moment at using biological or indeed any other kind of warfare.
We need others to join the sceptic cause. They won’t do so if we call them derogatory names
Well done. Shows it is worth raising objections even in the gullible – when it goes wrong they may remember.
‘Considering’.
What a joke. Clearly, the British government is adopting the opposite approach to Australia……’slowly, slowly catchee monkey’.
Britain is being nudged and subtly coerced into serfdom.
Slavery. These are chemical chains and manacles.
classic boiling frog technique.
Australia boiled the water first and then threw their people in – the people could see what was being done to them.
In UK the people are in cold water, with the temperature being turned up very slowly, by small degrees which people won’t really notice until the water is boiling and they can’t get out. One nudge at a time.
So these wonderful vaccines work so well that you have to keep taking them.
No one has managed to show that they stop infections anyway.
The trials were only ever set up to measure short term likelihood of symptomatic COVID in low risk groups too.
Other than the continued hysteria of government wanting to be seen to be “doing something” the only other explanation for any of this can be “control” and revenue for pharma businesses.
This seriously will never end. Will be like the never ending War on Terror.
Western Civilization is in its death throes. A society this stupid and this fearful will never flourish. It will be gone. More quickly than we imagine.
OK, let’s go for the ad absurdum:
“Anyone not yet dead or terminally ill due to these confounded jabs cannot travel freely.”
Do you have a link to the vaccine deaths table you posted on another page? Thanks.
That table was ‘it’. It was generated from my spreadsheets.
Thanks Mike. I’m having trouble finding an updated EudraVigilance source.
This total drivel is being eked out until they have had time to reorganise the global economic structure. The fact it’s killing and maiming people has apparently been weighed up on their little pros and cons list and determined to be okay. It’s not okay, and everyone who has had a hand in it will face trial for crimes against humanity. After hiding behind bogus science for two years, they will be condemned by real science.
We now have information suggesting that those with ‘waning immunity’ become at substantially increased risk of infection compared with the unvaccinated (ie, negative vaccine efficiency).
Thus this restriction appears sensible.
The shortening timescales to only a month or two also makes sense, because with each booster there appears to be a shortened time where they offer some net protection against infection. Eventually this interval will become inconveniently short (probably when it is <2 months), but we can worry about that when we get there.
We appear to be in a situation where those jabbed at least once will need to keep on getting boosters (with decreasing intervals) to stop them becoming a danger to others and to the NHS.
What doesn’t make sense is to also restrict the unvaccinated, who don’t appear to be in the new risk group. This group also doesn’t breed new variants, and also is less likely to pick up a vaccine escape variant (due to the way the immune system works and natural selection effects) — so there’s even less reason to restrict them.
The unvaccinated are restricted for entirely political reasons – this is consistent with the true motivation behind all covid related policies and measures.
What you say is so, but of course the vaxxed will be restricted by sickness and death.
What’s your evidence for this? Isn’t it too early to draw conclusions like this?
Yes. I’m working with incomplete data. I should have said ‘early indications that’ or similar. Apologies. We’ll know enough to be sure in the 2-3 month timescale.
Here is a study which analysed the records of nearly 800,000 US veterans of all ages – finding that the three main US approved Covid-19 vaccines experienced ‘dramatic’ drop-offs in efficacy over six months
https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.abm0620
So kindly Bill Gates gets exactly as planned his MS/Windows style vaccine subscription service and more mega profits… as if he needed to be any personally wealthier?
https://twitter.com/DowdEdward/status/1453426789804482561?s=20
Think of vaxxoids becoming like crack addicts needing constant boosters and being immune health dependent on them for rest of life.
In summary Sally… all current marketed/mandated COVID vaccines are:
Is there a common theme running in BG’s thinking?
Remember how Windows 10 would be “the last OS you will ever need to install”. Until Windows 11 that is.
It will be the same with stabbings, stab 10 will be the last you ever need until……..
There are even parallels in the way Win 11 can only be installed on a small number of pc’s due to Microsoft’s requirements for the upgrade. In covid land there are only a small number of individuals who can do anything except sit at home and starve due to the ‘requirements’ of the stabbing system.
BTW I know BG is no longer in charge at Msoft, but any opportunity to implicate him in the genocide must be taken advantage of even if inaccurate!
Bill Gates and his backers are likely large scale investors in Microsoft.
“MS/Windows style vaccine subscription”
Well clocked. The ‘subscription’ model has been a growing money-making phenomenon, as anyone employing sophisticated software knows. Why not apply it to pharmaceutical products?
Let’s tell it as it is. ‘Money, money, money …”
It’s not all about money. Bill Gates has been pushing his depopulation theories for decades. He is the unlikeliest person on the planet, that should be trusted with public health.
It’s not too early.
You’ve convinced me, good luck with convincing the government.
Is the increasingly shorter interval to do with immune exhaustion?
Are you saying that even with time, the immune system of someone who has been jabbed will not be able to return to normal or is that something that cannot be known yet? I understand that there could be a certain period (let’s say 6 months, a year) that a jabbed person will remain susceptible, but are you saying it will never be able to recover if the person is wise enough to stay away from further jabs and be as vigilant as possible in the meantime? Or is that simply a “no idea at this point in time”?
I take it we also don’t know whether the greater susceptibility relates to just covid, but is it likely to relate to other non-corona viruses as well? Or would that also be a “can’t know just yet”?
All quite depressing to think that even with the best intent, if they realise at this point that harm is occurring and the potential drawbacks are quite frightening, they are still pushing to jab more and more, particularly children.
It’s very clear that the main point of the exercise is to force the injected pathogen into children, the young and the fertile.
Now they are proposing 6 months to 5
Bigger gas-guzzling cars and bigger houses for those flogging the ‘vaccines’. Not to mention the private planes.
I had it explained in an email discussion by Geert van Bossche that how the immune system is primed to respond to the pathogen determines how it will respond in the future ie only to the spike protein & imperfectly.
People were ‘horrified’ when it came to jabbing the 12 year olds and up in schools in the UK – and that was SEVEN weeks ago. 35 days of jabbing kids – and no proper protest, no dead parents (“Over my dead body!” they screamed).
The 5-11 year olds will be sacrificed. Clearly ‘grooming’ hasn’t been stamped out.
All that would be fine, if the declining immunity of the “vaxxed” wasn’t entirely intentional.
Also no recognition that those who’ve had Covid (N positive) and double jabbed have much longer lasting protection
Those who’ve had covid have much longer lasting protection. Covid plus double jabbed appears to offer only marginal improvements in protection (possibly none) but have significantly increased risk of side effects (possibly serious).
I’d note that all the studies that show ‘covid plus jab’ to be ‘better’ are based on this combination having the highest antibody response. However, beyond a certain level the antibody titre isn’t particularly correlated with increased protection.
Key seems to be that vaccine after infection doesn’t seem to override the initial N positive response, whereas vacc then infection clearly not as good in that respect
Antibodies are only one factor in immunity. The vaccines disable vitally important broad based innate immunity and then leave the vaccinated at the mercy of transient narrow range antibodies, that are in any event likely of little use against a sufficiently evolved variant.
No booster… no hassle-free foreign travel, say Ministers
https://mol.im/a/10173159
Top rated readers comment to this story as reported in the Daily Fail ( see above) is
‘Can I be the first to welcome back the double-jabbed to the ‘unvaccinated club’? You’re welcome to come sit with us.’
7000+ upticks to 180 downticks
People are not impressed!
Hilarious.
Following Israel, we will double down on failure with 3rd, 4th jabs etc. Since June the vaccinated have higher rates of infection. Further, it seems vaccination weakens immunity by suppressing N-antibody responses to Covid nucleus in all variants, as opposed to S-antibody response to spike proteins which can change in new variants.
As spike proteins with new variants arrive, they will threaten the vaccinated more. That’s why this is being covered up. That’s why the panic about keeping new variants out. But more of the same old vaccines producing renewed old S antibodies don’t fix it. It’s just possible very few new variants arrive or they don’t mutate much. I doubt it.
The only way out for the vaccinated is to refuse any further jabs and build up natural immunity, including N-antibodies. This will be slower to build due to the suppressed immune response than if someone had never been jabbed at all.
I’ve jumped to conclusions, but that’s where I think we are at. The good folk here who are able to expose and track the evidence for this are the heroes in this terrible affair. We need this for future prosecutions.
Or in other words, the Powers That Be have f**cked up big time and are just trying to cover their arses. No excuses, they were warned that ‘vaccination’ in the middle of a pandemic was the last thing to do.
NO, I think the vaxxes were created as part of the overall plan. They were ready to be manufactured far too quickly. TPTB understand what their effects will be. This is all planned in advance.
I don’t disagree with that, they are part of the drive to Vaxports and ultimately Social Credit Scores. But the fact that you may need repeated ‘boosters’ is making people sit up and question the narrative.
So they weren’t just careless about ADE in pursuit of profit, they planned for ADE in pursuit of profit?
No they haven’t f**cked up big time at all.. this has been planned, and is going to plan..
“The only way out for the vaccinated is to refuse any further jabs and build up natural immunity, including N-antibodies.”
I’m not sure this is possible. It’s very complex, but some are arguing that the immunological function “original antigenic sin” means the vaccinated who then become infected will mount an narrow s-specific response (without the n-antibodies). Problem is this is the only response they will ever be able to mount, as original antigenic sin means their bodies have “recorded” the first response. Constant boosters may indeed be required if/when the virus mutates further away from the original strain. But do your own research. It’s a complex subject and many different views on this.
That was also my understanding about the jabbed if they didn’t continue with the boosters – that any subsequent infection they may get would only give them a very narrow immunity, unlike the FULL naturally acquired immunity someone who is unjabbed would have after recovery from covid
Still not over then? Coercion into the boosters, when the people have finally started to realize the conveyor belt they have started on. If they were any good, one should have been enough. There was no plan B if the jabs weren’t good enough, and they should stop jabbing kids because now we know some will die of vaccinations, they will be blamed.
“May return”.
Defying ‘now’ and ‘will be’ is hassle enough. Worrying speculation as well is superfluous to requirements amount of hassle.
If travel industry wants to continue to kow-tow it can. We do not have to use its services. We can choose to boycott it until it stops kow-towing if we want to
A pertinent commentary from the AIER on vaccine authoritarianism. Parallels with prohibition in the US in terms of vested interests.
https://www.aier.org/article/vaccine-authoritarianism-explained/
all that evidence in that article and the WHO still wants us to believe that it ALL came from some chinese bat
No getting off that Covid train once you get on is there?
All abooooooooooooooooard.
Yes there is because many were given a placebo. So its like Russian Roulette. If you keep playing the game, your time will come. But if you get out, you may well survive.
I thought this was nonsense but I have to say I would consider this now after that story a few days ago where 100% of vaccine injuries or maybe deaths in the VAERS system of reporting were linked to a small percentage of vaccine batches. I can’t exactly remember the details but a quick search should throw something up. It seems odd that, to me at least.
I’m convinced that many were given a placebo – based on their wealth/status.
The only way this stops is if deaths from the booster and A.D.E gets too big for them to hide, its a horrible thing for those affected but they wont stop now. All my family and friends have had the third jab. Time will tell….
I’ve had that thought, but when we consider how UKHSA have been hiding VE figures for so long, we might as what else they’re sweeping under the rug.
“Quarantine and Testing May Return for Those Who Aren’t Triple Jabbed”
Well, who saw that coming eh! The majority of us here that’s for sure, and the majority of us here also know it won’t stop at 3 or 4 or 5 >>>>>> Infinity.
We also ,know this nothing to do with health its purely about CONTROL end of.
I know I’m talking to the awake here, but all of this nonsense must be brought to an an end as soon as possible, by any means possible, or the damage will be too great to reverse. Our country, our society is being ruined..
For encouragement listen to this brave ex policeman in Australia before its taken down. This is the guts needed..
https://youtu.be/h1eT1-pyp3g
The people in the audience don’t really look like they’re ready to fight or die for anything. And why is some twat banging on a drum?
It’s a model for state control of who travels. The jabs are just the pretence. They need a digital infrastructure which can be adapted for carbon credits. It’s clearly not a out a virus
It never was from the very start. The virus was and still is a Trojan Horse for social and monetary control. The lockdowns are just a dress rehearsal for ‘net zero’ restrictions, backed up by social credit scores.
Thing is, the jabs won’t stop – this is not a conspiracy theory, but simply an understanding of what is happening. Each shot is giving a fresh boost of spike protein designed to induce an immune response and create a few more weeks’ worth of antibodies. Then, they will run out and you’re back to square one. Herd immunity is impossible unless unvaccinated people can build a natural response to it, especially children, but they are being mercilessly targeted by the regime for vaxxing. You cannot therefore argue that boosters will stop when there is herd immunity. Sars2 might and probably will mutate to become less lethal, but vaxxed have rewired their systems to respond to the original strain. This is why they are being smacked so hard by Delta. You cannot therefore argue that boosters will stop when it mutates to something less lethal.
It never stops.
They are deliberately priming the population for ADE, and if that does not work, thrombotic disease or prion dementia.
Sorry, but if there were any care for HEALTH, this project would have been halted months ago. It is not a mistake, or incompetence, but planned.
Spot on.. not a truer word was said..
They had the data from Diamond Princess. They knew then, in Feb 2020, this was not a novel virus and we had cross immunity. They knew it was around the same IFR as flu. If they had let it run its course, we would have had herd immunity months ago. What is happening is a crime against humanity.
“What is happening is a crime against humanity”
Well yes.. a crime was planned from the very beginning..