Italian Higher Institute of Health Adjusts Number of Deaths Due to Covid Alone Since February 2020 Downwards From Over 130,000 to under 4,000
A reader spotted an interesting story in Il Tempo, an Italian newspaper. The Italian Higher Institute of Health had adjusted downwards its estimate of the number of people who’ve died from Covid, as opposed to with Covid, from over 130,000 to under 4,000. Yes, you read that right. Turns out 97.1% of deaths hitherto attributed to Covid were not due directly to Covid.
According to its latest report on Covid mortality, the Institute says COVID-19 has killed fewer people than the average bout of seasonal flu. According to the statistical sample of medical records collected by the Institute, only 2.9% of the deaths registered since the end of February 2020 have been due to COVID-19. So, of the 130,468 deaths registered by official statistics dating back to the beginning of the pandemic, only 3,783 are due to the virus alone. All the other Italians who lost their lives had from between one and five pre-existing diseases. Of those aged over 67 who died, 7% had more than three co-morbidities, and 18% at least two. According to the Institute, 65.8% of Italians who died after being infected with Covid were ill with arterial hypertension (high blood pressure), 23.5% had dementia, 29.3% had diabetes, and 24.8% atrial fibrillation. Add to that, 17.4% had lung problems, 16.3% had had cancer in the last five years and 15.7% suffered from previous heart failures.
Worth reading in full… if you speak Italian.
If any readers would like to translate the article for us, please send the translation to lockdownsceptics@gmail.com.
Stop Press: We’re doing some digging into this to try to corroborate it. Treat with caution until further notice.
Stop Press 2: We trawled through the various websites of the Italian National Institute of Health (NIH) and National Institute of Statistics to try to corroborate this piece from an Italian newspaper, and it appears to be based on this report (in English) published on or before October 20th. The author of the piece is effectively stating his opinion that only those who died of Covid without comorbidities (2.9%) should be counted as a Covid death, and then extrapolates from there to suggest that the ‘real’ Covid death toll over the period in question was only 3,783. This is all contrary to the report itself and to the NIH’s detailed guidance (in Italian) on how to classify Covid deaths. It thus seems as though the article severely misrepresents the position of the NIH, but a lot seems to have been lost in translation and this is really just an opinion piece where the author is poking fun at the NIH while trying to make a point about the risks of Covid.
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Nope, nope, nope. They were not 97.1% out. They were 3250% wrong in overestimation! That is ridiculous! These people need to be on trial.
Actually it doesn’t say 7% of people over 67 had more than 3 co-morbidities. It says “Il 67,7% ne avrebbe avuto insieme più di tre malattie contemporanee”, i.e. 67.7% of people who died “positivo al covid” had more than 3 co-morbidities. The causes of the high number of deaths has also been investigated by Amnesty International which says “Decisions taken and practices adopted by authorities at all levels resulted in or contributed to violations of the human rights of older residents of care homes – notably their right to life, their right to health, and their right to non-discrimination.” The same authorities are still running the show.
Off-topic but could not resist posting this bollocks from the bbc: Australia jobs: ‘The staffing issue is impossible’ – BBC News
Aussie employers can’t get staff. Lengthy article yet not one mention of the impact of vaccine mandates which have seen thousands fired or walk out because they won’t comply.
The BBC claims right at the start: “a serious skills shortage has, for years, held Australia’s economy back.”
The beeb and likewise the Guardian will not utter one word which might suggest vaccine mandates have been harmful.
They are an utter disgrace.
Bless, The Ministry of Truth at it again.
Skills shortage lies are “code” for subsidised immigration propaganda for their establishment buds benefits.
No ‘code’. Actual effects of Brexit and Covid – both brought to you by Boris’s Bullingdon Boys.
wonderful pay rises showing how subsidised low wage immigration harms wages and boosts rents, loved by anti-worker oikophobic Labour.
They really got their noses rubbed by the working classes.
“Now, blinking in the spring sunshine, Sydneysiders, Melburnians and Canberrans are now emerging from their Covid caves, and are eager to spend, however, many businesses are facing a chronic labour crunch – they can’t find enough staff to keep their businesses running.”
why don’t they take turns? sometimes you go to a restaurant, sometimes you serve in a restaurant. Or get robots to do it? Or tax people so hard they can’t go out? Or let wages rise? Or import lots of slaves that will work for peanuts (the BBC preferred solution I imagine)?
They’ll fine them….
I’m reminded of a Guardian article that talked of starvation in North Korea but conveniently didn’t mention Communism, as if that had nothing to do with it.
Only the BBC and the Guardian would ignore the genetically engineered Blue Whale on steroids in the room.
To be fair, neither organisation can boast a Blue Whale on steroids correspondent, so couldn’t possibly comment.
Off-topic too: I have had two posts removed HYS thread under this BBC article: Covid: Hard months to come in pandemic for UK, says Van-Tam – BBC News
Apparently saying that the ramping up of fear to soften us up for a winter lockdown, vaccine passports etc & I posted the link to the video of the lawyer explaining how our legal rights have been trashed, all explained low key with no rude or trigger words for the woke moderator, obviously, I thought wrong…
i must be saying something right to be cancelled twice!!!
The Guardian like to do this too when it goes against their agenda. I had posts removed for stating the bleeding’ obvious. I screenshot them before they went. One is here, the next one in my reply below. The entire thread deleted because of these.
Ironically, they had a hell of a lot of upvotes (53 on this one) so not all the people reading that crappy rag believe what it’s saying, but the weighted response of many of the comments on there are that they all agree with The Guardian unless you get in before the moderators delete them because it seems obvious they delete everything that goes against their narrative.
. . . and here’s the other one that got deleted as part of that thread.
Parts 1 and 2 of Tucker Carlson’s new investigative series on what really happened on 1/6 in DC. Recommended.
https://www.bitchute.com/video/isNWinb1yXjw/
https://www.bitchute.com/video/0Z7dxfU7TUQx/
If nothing else does, the shocking difference between the response to the callous execution of protester Ashli Babbitt versus the response to the police killings mostly of criminals celebrated by the evil BLM and their dupes should make people wake up to what is going on in the US sphere.
If the exact same things had been done by leftists in response to a Trump victory (as they probably would have, given their general violent hysteria over Trump), it would have been portrayed in the media as “mostly peaceful and legitimate political protest. Just try to imagine the hysterical leftist media and establishment response – worldwide – that would have ensued if a security guard had murdered a leftist anti-Trump protester in the way Babbitt was killed.
It was clear as early as last summer that Covid was largely a ‘finisher’ for those who were vulnerable due to age or pre existing conditions, just like flu and pneumonia are.
I think the real “lamp post” moment for those in charge last march/april will be when the majority realize that many many old people were killed deliberately in hospitals and care homes. Hancock and the sage lunatics should spend the rest of their days in jail (if they are lucky).
Since there’s nothing on television, couldn’t they do a Mussolini, instead?
Didn’t Whitty stand behind a podium and say the same at the start, or was it Unbalanced?
‘Of those who get it, few will notice, fewer will be ill, fewer will need treatment, even fewer will be critically ill, and sadly a vanishingly small number will die’…
I seem to recall that he did.
Of all the medics pushing this he alone seems to have a semblance of empathy in him. You can see it in his eyes – being unable to tell a bit of the truth is clearly troubling him.
I don’t think he’ll last the course as an important mouthpiece for those really in charge, because he cares.
Please don’t think I’m defending him too much – I’m merely comparing him to the real steely cold eyed bastards such as Van-Tam/Vallance etc.
Not that it matters really anymore, but how would a ‘flu+pneumonia’ caused-death compare to a ‘C19’ death? I.e. the WHO gave direction to mark deaths triggered by C19 as a C19 death. Sweden and some others did the ‘any death for any reason within 28 days of a +ve C19 PCR test’ approach (similar to UK). But if a person has 2 or 3 co-morbidities, for example high blood pressure and diabetes, dies of ‘heart attack’ (main cause), ‘brought on by C19’ – then they are marked a C19 death. In non-pandemic times, if the same person dies of ‘heart attack’ brought on by ‘influenza/pneumonia’ are they counted as a flu/pneumonia death or heart attack? I believe it would be heart attack but that’s why it’s difficult to pinpoint a cutoff for ‘C19 alone’ deaths.
I realize this has been compared before, which is why all-cause mortality is usually compared. But even then, the lockdown effects themselves need to be factored for causing deaths.
Covid-19 Mortality: A Global Overview – Swiss Policy Research (swprs.org)
Excess Mortality across Countries in 2020 – The Centre for Evidence-Based Medicine (cebm.net)
And 3000 of them were killed by the doctors who put them on ventilators…
But they’ll probably brush away this story, just as they brushed it away when the US figures were reduced by 90%.
I bet that this won’t be reported much in MSM circles, not will be ‘updated’ or ‘qualified’ on the Worldometer website.
The later has stopped taking the UK’s ONS estimates for the number of people across the UK susepcted to have COVID and is, in my view, putting up their ‘own’ estimations that are widely over the top, much of the time by 400k+.
I meantioned this in emails to them and they stopped updating their figures to correcty the ‘mistakes’ (and don’t email me back) earlier in the year.
Funny, that.
As regards the specifics of the Italian situation, wasn’t it reported in non-mainstream media outlets LAST YEAR that the local medical chief in Bologna said that well over 90% of ‘COVID’ deaths were actually mainly from something else where COVID was a minor, but contributory factor that essentially ‘finished off’ many very elderly and/or already seriously sick people.
Who knew he’s be right all along?
“Stop Press: We’re doing some digging into this to try to corroborate it. Treat with caution until further notice.“
Would be very interested to see how well this stands up. Correlates with other reports we’ve seen suggesting only very small proportions of officially counted “with covid” deaths were actually “of covid”.
Well the a figure for deaths ‘from’ covid for Plymouth to Exeter (includes all the towns inbetween) was 43 when I checked a few weeks ago. Replicate that around the country and we’ll have less than 15,000
The figure for my district council area (over 100k people [officially]) did not change from April 2021 until early Sept. Many people here and elsewhere advocate writing to your local NHS / hospitals with FOI requests for all the ‘COVID’ death figures, including demographics and what other things they suffered from.
Needless to say, taking out all those already likely within a year or two from death based on their existing health (or lack thereof) doesn’t give a very high ‘remainder’ figure. Always also a good idea to make sure the include those people who are seriously overwieght or obese, as that mostly catches those who died who are under 65.
The number of ‘otherwise fit and healthy’ under65s who’ve died OF COVID are tiny in comparison. Nature (even if it is ‘given a helping hand’, as I think it has been here) always finds a way to ‘thin out the heard’ when overpopulation and underutilisation of useful labour (i.e. large amounts of the not-working) are apparent.
Can I verify please, have I read this right they’ve adjusted down by 126,000, only i’ve read the headline over & over again & i’m sure it says only 4000 covid deaths! I know I must be making a mistake cos this is just incredible.
Yeah – must be a typo. Probably they meant 4 million but didn’t understand the decimal system!
The risks of doing your numbers while you’re high.
Now in every other nation conduct a similar investigation and broadcast the adjusted numbers! The citizens of Virginia aren’t the only ones thirsting for truth.
yep, all the way through I’ve said 95% were dying anyway and covid may or may not have pushed them over the edge. just like the 200,000 who die of/with colds every year
The link appears to be to an opinion piece discussing the new report. It expresses shock at this revision, but it goes on to also express some doubts about the credibility of these and other official figures.
The writer suggests that initially there were instructions to downplay the threat of covid, to reduce criticism of the government response, and only later with the “vaccine” push was the policy changed to push compliance by exaggerating the disease, and speculates that the instructions to the institute producing these numbers might not have been updated.
I have no idea about the accuracy of these comments in the Italian context, but can agree with his final conclusion, namely that perhaps it would be better to have had less propaganda and more honest information throughout.
“ it would be better to have had less propaganda and more honest information throughout”
yes, I’ve barely noticed covid for the last 18 months but I have noticed the government
I only noticed it in Feb-Apr 2020 when a few people I know got ill … then again recently when a few jabbed people I know got ill. Nothing in winter 2020-21.
I knew 3 in the first wave who had it mildly
everyone I know had it in the last 3 months after the jabs – literally everyone and the all had it worse than me even though they were younger and jabbed. no backbone I reckon
Likewise, although there was some sort of sniffles doing the rounds in the local area in Jan/Feb 2020 – I had it for a few days. Don’t know whether it was Covid (I’ve not done any tests, obviously!), but from the symptoms it could have been.
google translate… According to the new report (which had not been updated since July) from the Higher Institute of Health on mortality from Covid, the virus that brought the world to its knees would have killed far less than a common flu. It seems a bizarre and no vax statement, but according to the statistical sample of medical records collected by the institute, only 2.9% of the deaths registered since the end of February 2020 would be due to Covid 19. So of the 130,468 deaths registered by official statistics at the time of the preparation of the new report only 3,783 would be due to the power of the virus itself. Because all the other Italians who lost their lives had from one to five diseases which, according to the ISS, therefore already left them little hope. Even 67, 7% would have had more than three contemporary diseases together, and 18% at least two together. Now I personally know many people, but none who have the misfortune of having five serious illnesses at the same time. I would like to trust our scientists, then I go to read the ailments listed which would be no secondary reason for the loss of so many Italians and… Read more »
I’m not Italian, enjoy living here, whilst trying to find a way to actually get into my work next week (complicated Green Pass issues)
this Franco Bechis, director of the Il Tempo newspaper is a doubly vax’d journalist, (who’s mother passed away from Covid) who really annoys the studio pundits on the TV7 channel in this YT capture from September 2021 https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=4Tr0uvnSjQw
some BTL pushback on his article linked on LS/DS says that he’s taking a recent retrospective study on 7910 deaths, which did correct the allocations as Bechis is claiming, but that he’s (likely) making an error is applying this correction to the whole country 130000 sad deaths with/of C19.
at least he’s sparking a debate, which is nice to see, in a country that has no elected PM at present , but is receiving around £188Billion quid to ‘handle the crisis’
This is pretty close to the Swiss Doctors prediction early last year, of around 88%.
For those wondering what exactly the ISS is as an institution:
https://www.ecdc.europa.eu/en/istituto-superiore-di-sanita-iss-euphem
we need a link to the report mentioned in the article – then to translate it and send it to my MP
Doesn’t seem to be anything published since July on their website:
https://www.iss.it/rapporti-covid-19
Recent report here in English by ISS
https://www.epicentro.iss.it/en/coronavirus/bollettino/Report-COVID-2019_5_october_2021.pdf
Excellent, thanks!
even the 3,783 left didn’t just die of the virus. they clearly had underlying conditions even if they weren’t recorded
the report and press release in english
https://www.epicentro.iss.it/en/coronavirus/bollettino/Report-COVID-2019_5_october_2021.pdf
https://www.iss.it/web/guest/primo-piano/-/asset_publisher/3f4alMwzN1Z7/content/id/5868665
from
https://www.epicentro.iss.it/coronavirus/sars-cov-2-decessi-italia
So, did the other 126,000 die from hyperbole, or blind panic?
Or were they just playing possum?
A lot of them may well have died anyway at a similar time, from whatever else they were ill with. In the UK there may well have been issues with denial or withdrawal of treatment too, not sure about Italy. One thing is sure – the actions of governments have led to the obfuscation of what’s behind the “excess” deaths.
In order to be so far out with their cause of death pronouncements, the health authorities would need to have been ‘nobbled’.
If not, such a level of misinformation must seriously call into question either their fitness, or motive.
Nobbled or caught up in the panic and hysteria and then politically stuck. I don’t think anyone is immune as a group to panic
Dr Mike Yeadon, This is awful & heartbreaking. I feel so angry that so very many people trusted their government, public health officials & the pharmaceutical industry & “took the shot”. These agents remain in clinical trials until 2022-23 & have never been “approved” by any medicines regulator (only authorised for use during an “emergency”). Not even the Pfizer agent is “approved”. The sneaky FDA only stamped “approved” on the BioNTech version, which is not available anywhere (& may never be, as small biotech companies don’t have commercial capacity to manufacture. Even if they “tolled it out”, they’d get get far smaller or no discounts like the majors can negotiate). The question of determination of long-term safety is not going to be formally answered, because ALL of the big pharmaceutical companies have destroyed the clinical trials by offering vaccines to everyone in the Control arm of the trial. We now know why they did that. Even in the short term, all of these spike protein-encoding agents have appallingly common adverse events. These are dominated by “thromboembolic” disorders, affecting blood clotting, bleeding & all the sequelae expected. Do not accept boosters if you’ve been vaccinated. Do not yield if you’ve resisted vaccination. Every person… Read more »
STAFFORDSHIRE CHILD DEATHS
Two children in Newcastle-under-Lyme and one girl in Stoke-On-Trent.
This is indicative of a potential “bad batch” of “vaccines” being sent to Staffordshire.
An investigation needs to start asap.
If you live in the area consider bringing the information to a Police Station.
Newcastle-under-Lyme
https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1515702/St-John-Fisher-Catholic-College-school-pupils-dead-Newcastle-Staffordshire
Stoke-on-Trent
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/16618183/girl-dies-medical-emergency-paramedics-battled-save-her/
Mike Yeadon
Consider that late Person X, whose death certificate mentions “with Covid”, was 54 years of age, morbidly obese and had diabetes: It might be argued that even though Covid was not the direct cause of death, it is possible that person X may still be alive if it wasn’t for Covid. However, it is equally true to say that X would probably still be with us if they hadn’t been obese and diabetic. Why then, does the death certificate mention “with Covid”, rather than “with Diabetes” or “with Obesity”, when obesity and diabetes were just as influential factors in the death of X? The only reason there has been a pandemic of any consequence is because it has a cohort of vulnerable people who will succumb to it. Could mortality have been cut in half if obesity was not so much of a problem, or people took more measures to prevent co-morbidities such as heart problems, or if people took better care of their immune systems? Could it have been quartered? Surely the best way to deal with a pandemic that affects only elderly and vulnerable individuals, is to provide vaccinations for those, while addressing the wide-ranging problem of people… Read more »
Hospitals in USA and in first world countries are refusing life-saving Ivermectin treatment even with court orders. Big Pharma doing everything they can to jab us no matter what, while alternative COVID cures EXIST! There happens to be heavy censorship who are looking for these treatments. The Research Is Clear: Ivermectin Is a Safe, Effective Treatment for COVID. Get your Ivermectin today while you still can! https://health.p0l.org/
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If being ‘ill with hypertension’ means taking a flumathiazide, that probably applies to virtually everyone over 50. I assume that doctors are encouraged to prescribe them to reduce the possibility of stroke. It doesn’t mean that those taking them are actually ill.
I think there’s an element of ‘fashions come, and fashions go’ with various branches of medicine. E.g. precautionary prescription of this or that (which at least assists profitability in the trade). Quite a few years ago, the old dentist I used to use as a patient often prescribed 7 days worth of one antibiotic or another after treatment, obtainable from the pharmacy next door, but it doesn’t seem to be popular now (for good reasons).
Well said.
Ditto:Statins.
I get the caution alert, but what has changed? I read the original article to say that less than 4,000 died of nothing other than Covid. This denotes the degree of new danger the virus represents. ‘With co-morbidities’ doesn’t make it any different from flu. So where did the Govt panic spring from? Because they know something else about the virus, that the US were involved in developing? Or because they wanted to put something into the bodies of the world’s population? I’m not pushing conspiracies here, but merely pointing out where logic is forced to go by Govt actions.
This reads like an April Fools joke. How bizarre.